My signature fight move... Run. I literally got attacked leaving a bar (closing time) in Missoula Montana in college. I was 150lb and was the #3 runner for U of O at the time and partying after a XC invitational. I literally trotted 20 feet ahead of these two dudes as who chased me up the street for about 600 yards with one dude yelling that he was going to kill me. Picture Fat Bastard chasing Sebastian Coe.

Learn ground work to get back on your feet. Not to take the fight to the ground. "When in the street, stay on your feet."

Enough grappling to stay standing and disengage with whoever is attacking you, then muai thai and a gun. Also Muai Thai on its own has enough "grappling" to handle 95% of street attackers.

I do agree with you.......All martial artists if they want to survive on the street or in the modern world you need to have experience in grappling.

Self defence is not a MMA competition, you want to keep distance and finish it as quickly as possible, while grappling mostly only work in close distance and take longer time to execute, it is not the first choice you want to use in this situation

You make a compelling argument here. Thanx for the insight.

To be clear I’m not a trained fighter , but from what I’ve experienced and seen , grabbing and grappling really helps restrain the enemy from dealing damage to you from punches , while having control of their body, to be able to slam them , get them to the ground, and or put them in a submissive position like a head lock, etc. But I feel like probably a bit of striking and blocking is good to help close the distance and get close enough to grapple someone .

Thanks for this! Enjoyed watching it twice in a row!

Great video! Let's not forget if your REALLLLY concerned about self defence you can USUALLY back out of a striking situation. If a dude is telling you to put em up and road raging at you, If he's trying to punch you can usually keep away make distance or turn and sprint for help or car etc. BUTT the minute he grabs your clothes your head or whatever. Now getting away is much harder and grappling is a must specially if you fall or your stuck in a headlock, Again if he's punching you can back away atleast most of the time if your defusing. If he headlocks you, YOU NEED GRAPPLING! Couldn't have said it better though with the rock paper scissors analogy. Great vid!

Completely agree. I wrestled in junior high/high school and it's helped me so much to really not have to worry about being taken down bc I feel natural on my back or feet.

Be a good grappling based striker and also a good striking based grappler. Be good at both and find a way of fighting your own style. Chuck Liddell the best example always.

Work Security at a club and take someone to the ground and you will have a very bad night. Same goes for the street. Weapons and multiple attackers is reality. Striking arts are far superior and i talk from hundreds of fights experience and 20 plus years of Martial Art experience in striking and grappling.

In the ring, Grappling prevails. In a real life fight, Striking( with a weapon) prevails. Grappling is great in a one on one conflict. Can you use it against multiple opponents or if your enemy has a knife? It would be better to arm yourself with anything that can put distance to you and your opponent (a stick, pepper spray, bat, etc.)

If you have never been punched in your life, then you should avoid fighting a striking expert in real life. Train in whatever style you like. Just don't expect you will know what to do after a well placed knee hits your liver, unless you have been there before

People talking like grappling is only going to the ground, like grappling is only BJJ when it's not Judo is also grappling and a single and quick throw on concrete is game over while you remain on foot then you can go for sumbission, groudn and pound or just run

I am a natural striker by nature. I can agree with you that gripping is crucial in defending yourself when pure striking won't end the fight!

However, as a muay thai practicioner, I must point out the clinch in stand up position. Good thai clinch could also be placed in a stance grapling which gives good advantage over going to ground grappling.

That's a very good advice in case you have 1v1 street fight with a guy your weight class who happened to be a grappler. I've wrote about weight, because you should be pretty skilled grappler to wrestle a bigger guy. But what if you face 3 drunk folks? What if you have to use to hit and run tactics? What if you need to end fight before cops arrive? You have to be a striker. Striker always have a chance.

you are one of my favorite martial art / self defense guys on youtube . you are very realistic and smart . in most cases I agree with you and I also partially agree with you in this video but there is something you are forgetting here : 1. 99% of people are not grapplers , 2. all fights start standing up , 3. you dont want to go to the ground on the street because of several reasons . therefore even though grappling beats standup fighting in most cases it might be better to focus more on standup than grappling for the street . of course its better to do both though

Everyone seems to be talking about going to the ground , as if the only grappling sport is BJJ , what about judo where you stay standing but still hit your opponent on the ground ?

Agreed 🤝, kept up the good work 😊🤙🏻....

In mma it's pretty much even. But in a street fight. Grappler can be effective. But striking is everything. On one one grappling can def take it but striking can def take it aswell. U can do all in striking. But if fighting multiple people. Grappling ain't gonna work

Thank you Stephan. would you include all grappling styles? there are so many debates in the grappling world around how effective things like judo or wrestling are. I am looking to try some grappling that is not bjj but not sure what is effective in street.

Cleared my doubt.....🙌

Something to consider is the saying “it’s not what you know but who you know”. Doing a Martial Art or belonging to a Martial Art Club where MMA fighters and Security/Bouncers/Doormen train is valuable. So even if it’s a pure striking art or a pure grappling art as long as the system is legitimate it will attract good Martial Artists and they’ll be an established community of students to learn from too that have a good understanding of grappling and striking.

Good argument. I guess one might argue that a very good striker would be able to strike whilst engaged with a grappler...but then a striker could only set-up their punches if they had an understanding of grappling, so yeah: grappling wins, as the early days of the UFC showed.

Both. Grappling to hold the opponents so that you can good position to make painful submission moves from bjj such as twisiting neck, breaking arm, choking,etc.... Also you can throw hard the opponent to the ground like in Judo. Striking is good to knock the opponent out, to injure and harm the opponent. Striking also makes you get speed and power which you use to dodge attacks and counter attack. A hard karate kick to the stomach can make your opponent vomit. A hard boxer's punch to the face can KO the enemy and make him get permanent brain injury. Striking also increases rate of brutality and blood shedding.

Completely agree with this.

Honestly I think a combination of both something that's kind of portrayed in MMA and some other martial arts that mixes striking with grappling is the most effective form of self-defense

Spend 10years in wrestling or BJJ, 3 years in Muay thai or Kickboxing, and afterwards do MMA. I think it's the best combination.

Absolutely true. Great video.

1. Is a fight avoidable 2, can you out run the threat, 3, what additional resource is there if you must fight......... Just some ideas. A great exercise is to look at what people have done to survive real attacks that have made the new. Often survivors have never seen a fight school. Strategies and fluidity are not mutually exclusive (both are useful).

Good arguments but I think this only applies to 1 vs 1. 1 vs 2 or more and you're better off striking. The same applies to weapons where you again will likely want to avoid grappling (especially against a knife). Also nowadays fighters with solid takedown defence are getting the better of top grapplers too (Whittaker, Bisping, Joanna etc). I think the domination of BJJ has passed (even though it is still highly effective it is no longer the mystery it once was). I agree that you need to know both though absolutely.

PLUS a smaller person (or yes women) will have a hard time knocking out a larger man. But a woman can generate A LOT of power with positioning and core/leg strength to actually arm bar or choke a larger man.

Good advice. Self defense is multi-faceted. The only problem with grappling is, that if you are an older person, being taken down and practicing grappling can be hard on the knees, back, shoulders, etc. Striking, pepper spray, and getting out of Dodge is more applicable, and of course hoping you don't end up on the ground, lol.

I would like to fight like John Wick in the movie, he have Judo & Jiu Jitsu skills. This arts are very good to self defense . 😃👍 and ... My favorite striking is Boxing

Your confusing fighting and self defense. If you grapple you get closer to your opponent and get tied up with them, if striking you can hit as you retreat and look for an opportunity to escape, which is the best way to defend yourself. I’m not bashing grappling, I love it, but in self defense I want to leave myself in a position where I’m not tied up with a single opponent.

Street fight tips, 1. Run if suitable, if not suitable, Keep distance, in case they have a weapon, 2. If they have a knife or weapon and you have to fight, it’s within the law to use reasonable force, which is basically anything you want. Use anything you can find as a weapon, rocks, poles, bricks, chairs, tables, baseball bat, anything hard heavy or sharp, metal or stone is best, wooden sticks are ok. Pick the weapon up and attack from a distance, don’t let them clinch they might stab you. 3. Hit them with your weapon hard in the testicules, the eyes, the throat, the solar plexus, the liver, the side and back of the head, the top of the spine at the back. If you can’t find a weapon kick them as hard as you can straight down the middle in those areas, kicking is way better for staying at a safe distance than punching. If they close the distance or you lose balance from the kicks, use knees, elbows weapons teeth, eye gauging, grap the testicles, twist them, try rip them off, bite them, rip the side of the mouth with your fingers, grab the throat, stomp on the head, fight dirty and fight for your life. If they clinch you, do a wrestling/judo type throw and slam them hard on to concrete on their head or back, stay on your feet, if possible. Only use BJJ submissions if you’re on the ground too and after all the dirty fighting you can manage. Only if you are 100% sure that they don’t have a weapon, fight cleaner but keep distance and kick first, hard and to the testicles as a priority just in case

That's why I do Kudo .. grappling throws kicks punches everything .. OSU

I agree you should train both and also weapons defense. However you should also be training avoidance and deescalation.

Other mind-set choices. Hinted at below also. Prepare to fight, prepare to be hit, prepare to lose, you only going to be a fighter / a person to fear on the street if you've put in the time, got the experiences, otherwise run. That doesn't mean bully. But stand up to guys on the street being prepared to go first and you'll get your real 'live' experiences to go with your sparring.

I agree, you need both.

I think the best is to train several types of martial arts. I train karate kyokushin and Judo. I'm planning to also add boxing too for the face. I've been nearly 5 years in karate kyokushin and around 7 months in Judo. I advise don't just learn one type of martial art. Learn 2 or more.

Yes to the question.

Nice and fun to have the debate, and of course your right it's a false dichotomy. But, for fun, you are wrong because you have to consider the odds of encountering different situations. Now it might be true that 90% of fights end up on the floor, but that doesn't count, since 70% of fights are probably not between people who give any serious thought to a strategy, game plan or training. Here's the basic 80% probably 'fall-out' confrontations, one guy bully, other guy just angry and prepared to have a go or not back down, bully is weighing up for a chump easy shot, he's going to assess you, see if he can get close for a punch, face to face, nose to nose, intimidate, or just get close and launch, depending on the vibes. Now for the regular guy, secretly he's hoping nothing will happen, secretly he's hoping its all going to go away with harsh words, he's never seriously contimplated being the first to go here, THAT HIS IS DOWN FALL. It was mine for the longest while. The bravest act in the world of self-defence is knowing that at some mental point you go first. The question then becomes 'how' do you go first, what is the best way to go first. Now since size matters so much in fighting, but more so, in wrestling, since even big fellas just plain don't like being punched, it's totally shocking. Not to be underestimated is the cost, you might ruin your cloths, head to toe, you enter a world of uncertainty, what you going to do if you put him to sleep, he's going to wake up and feel you got lucky. Now that happens with punching too, but if even if you get your ass handed you, you'll know he woke up with a bruise too. He'll know if he wants to push you around, your going to go for it swinging.

In a real fight theres no gloves or gumshields so once u connect a solid hook you will take the fight out of them

Funny thing is the fact that if folks did Gracie Jiu Jitsu, they would be trained in strikes as well. BJJ doesn't have it but Helio made sure his art had them.

Fighting on the street is a "no holds barred" kind of conflict. I'll take striking every time. The temple, the vegas nerve, the throat, the jaw joint, the gum line, they're all SO available to a hard strike with a judo knuckle.

MMA dynamics totally different to how real fights happen. Admissibilty of head butting and biting also changes dynamics of getting in close. In MMA two guys have agreed to fight for sure and know the other person is in their weight category and has certain styles, features and game plans in his arsenal. That is entirely different to street fight, the guy might have knuckle dusters, knife, ... funkertactical says it straight .. 'i don't know about you, but i just don't wanna end up rolling around on the floor with a stranger in a street fight'

Grappling...Ive been in quite a few scuffles and Jiujitsu has saved my hide more than one occasion. Striking is so cool and dynamic but sparring without protective gear is too risky. Injured my hand from punching someone behind the head. Hand was swollen for three weeks.

How do i train for knives?

What if you choose to strike with a weapon or immediately runaway after landing a few, striking then becomes way more effective for self-defense. Grappling prolongs fights, which gives your opponent more opportunities to win. In a life and death scenario that's not necessarily a good idea. Self-defense tends to prefer the stand-up game, grappling or striking. As they don't tie you down as much and it's easier to escape from a stand-up position.

Learn both 👍

In a real fight, it's great to study grappling and spar. However, kung fu or any striking martial arts are highly necessary. As a security personal, grappling, restraining and detaining needs grappling and basic martial arts.

With weapons grappling is best. When weapons were ubiquitous striking disappeared from the agenda; when people started walking around unarmed, striking became a thing again.

Closing the distance against a muay thai fighter is dangerous though. I think if doing only one martial art, muay thai is the best, because it has powerful standup grappling (thai clinch/plum) and versatile weapons. Grappling cannot counter muay thai. Try a takedown against someone trained to raise the knee when the opponent's head is low. When doing grappling AND striking I would start with grappling and then add a striking art, I agree with you.

Agree!

That's a mma advice or advice that can potentially work if you are a big guy. Most people who will get attacked on the street with little chance to defend or run away are smaller people. What good is grappling to a medium size girl if attacked by a big guy

Basically if you are Striker learn anti-grappling techniques and how to evade takedowns. And if you are a Grappler learn footwork and how to defend against strikes. That is why wrestlers excel against other Grapplers and Strikers, because they have footwork and takedowns.

Striking requires perfect timing all the time unless slug it out and see who come out on top..Grappling requires close quarters combat which allows you to control your opponent in other words, no lucky punch out of nowhere.

Grappling may be superior to Striking in a 1v1 scenario but only a Striker has the potential to fight off multiple opponents. Weird huh..

Jon Jones is another good example of a good striker with a solid grappling base/background that has served him well and has allowed him to be an even more dangerous striker by generally never worrying about getting taken down.. It’s one of the reasons he’s only been taken down twice in his whole career and in both instances he was not down for more than 12 seconds....

Actually headbutt and knees end grappling quick in the clinch but theres almost no escape to leg takedowns. Grappling is more raw power than technical unless its judo. Striking requires balance for power but a good timed strike can end a double leg attempt (like masvidal) but its hard. On the street there is no ground n pound but stomping on downed opponents (deadlier). So if i had to choose one i would choose boxing but with illegal moves like stomping, headbutt, etc. Judo would be the best but its hard against no gi. Boxing can beat a good grappler and even a lucky kick can end a judoka (holmes vs rousey). But in cqc grappling excels as they dont need space to pull off moves. Boxing is the most rounded for street fighting because it works against stronger opponents as long as you use clinch fighting to counter judo throws and keep distance. If you are big however than choose wrestling. Wrestling is good for no gi and works against all styles but requires strength in upper body and legs. You must be able to lift heavy to be a wrestler which most likely isnt the average joe. So i advise boxingfirst before transitioning to other arts

The counter to grappling is the blade. Read the intro to Kano's book...

Learn BJJ and krav maga they both compliment each other and what you learn form one you don't learn from the other like defense against weapons like knives, guns and blunt weapons, and much more that BJJ doesn't teach you so they go together very well but I think that BJJ compliments krav more than krav compliments BJJ because you cannot use techniques that you learn in Krav maga in BJJ but you can use techniques you learn in BJJ in krav if you adapt it for the krav format that is no holds barred defense that can be very debilitating to an attacker or even deadly if used correctly. In addition, krav maga teaches a mixture of grappling and striking along with how to target vulnerable points on a human body and notice when something is about to happen and stop it before it starts as quickly and effectively as possible, BJJ separates the sport from self-defense aspect when they should be combined, but krav is not a competition sport and is for life or death situations and your only concern is leaving alive not the wellbeing of the attacker because once someone attacks you self-defense is perfectly legal.

IME a grappler with excellent takedowns nullifies striking, just as striking with excellent takedown defense nullifies grappling. Grappling is useless if you suck at takedowns and closing the distance, just as any striking art without takedown defense and range control is useless. So, imo the key to being well rounded and good at *either*, is drilling takedowns and defending them.

If could only use one for the rest of my life I’d choose striking. I prefer to use both with grappling being my favor, but I wouldn’t wanna grapple and not be able to strike at all meaning no ground and pound as well as stand-up striking. I think being a grappler who can strike is better than being a striker who can grapple but I’d rather be limited to striking only than limited to grappling only.

What about multiple opponents?

I’m only concerned with self defense so I just train in basic boxing and greco Roman wrestling so if get grabbed I can deal with it. I practice from my back maybe once a week because shit happens lol

The USMC trains both in their marial arts program. Plus weapons. Their study showed that most hand to hand combat included grapling. Me ? I vowed never to run out of ammo.LOL

I have to be honest.. I know that BJJ is a superior martial art. But I do Wing Chun and Arnis, and there was this one time I had a street fight with a grappler. So I covered myself with olive oil, not a lot, I was lucky to get the guy with an elbow to the face followed by an eye jab. My determination together with some dirty tricks help me. But I do recommend to practice BJJ

You should avoid grappling in a street fight at all cost for a lot of reasons: 1. People in streetfights do bite, rip off ears, stab their finger in your eyes, break your fingers, use headbutts and so on. This kind of dirty tricks totally destroys grappling. If all that would be allowed in MMA you would see a lot less grappling there. 2. You don´t want to go to the ground if you are fighting on the street. There could be a lot of nasty things like broken glass on the ground. You don´t want to roll around in that. 3. Grappling an opponent takes away your overview of the situation. In a streetfight the overview of the situation is essential. There could be other attackers around. 4. Just one word: KNIVES.

I'm 72. Do I really want to go to the ground with a younger bigger stronger aponent? Probably not. That' why I train with a cane.

what if its 2 vs 1 striker would stand better chance

You Nailed it Man!

Depends on on situation !jiujitsu is im portant

As Grappler you can fight only agianst one opponent. AS Boxer you can knock out 2 or 3 opponents. Grappling in a streetfight, is very dangerous. You can injure yourself on glass or a second opponent kicks your head

Learn both. But if the grappling encompasses defence against strikes, then grappling. There are less legal issues

Royce gracie was a perfect example of your affirmation, he submitted boxers, kick boxers, karate and kung fu masters.

I have never been involved in a street fight with a wrestler. Multiple opponents and armed adversaries have been part of my street fighting experience. In situations where someone pulls out a knife or a broken bottle. In a situation like that, I would not want to be grappling on the street. It might be okay in the gym with a referee, but not in a street fight. .

Disagree about grappling being better if you had to choose one. If its a no rules street fight or a life or death situation, there's many brutal, devastating strikes you can use to take out someone, chop to the throat, vagus nerve, temple, upward or straight palm heel to chin, behind the ear. hammer fist to mandible, collar bone, cupped hand to ear, finger stab to eyes, kick or groin, kick to knee, stomp on top of foot...many of which are very effective and easy to perform quickly. There's many vital targets and techniques you can use too. All is takes is one solid strike to one of those targets and you can take someone out. Grappling is difficult to perform and very difficult to use to counter all these types of striking. If you use only grappling to try to counter deadly strikes to nerve centers/pressure points, you will be in a very vulnerable position to getting taken out.

I agree with the argument than grappling can counter striking...but this is theory....and in reality everytime i have fight on the street i always use more my boxing than my judo or my bjj....the street are not a safe aera like a tatami ,you never know what can happen (weapons,other guy coming etc...)...and it's dirty too!!!!

in mma: grappling in streets: striiking

Both is best

Make a video who is suitable for short person to defend against street violence

All striking & grappling arts!

even better than just grappeling is adding trows JUDO also good is controle WRESTELING

I have to respectfully disagree the last time i got a guy on the ground in a fight i full mounted him and his brother came around and started slamming bombs in the back of my head if id stayed strikeing i could have avoided that but hay thats my experience

To me striking is better in street fight illegal fight. Grappling is better in competition fight legal fight.

I hope this men is talking about 1 on1

If it’s serious passion in it. It wouldn’t bother to spend few more hours each day to the other aspect of the game too. Make time and do both. Consistency and work

The biggest mistake of any modern martial artist is thinking that mma or ufc and self defence are the same thing. Self defence is a different game. There are a couple things that you need to consider when going from a gym to the street. The first thing is, you wanna finish the fight as quickly as possible. The point of a self defence scenario is to survive, not to win a match. You need to be able to output a lot of power in a small amount of time to neutralise an opponent, and make him regret he attacked you. Another thing in street fights is, you are never truly alone. You never know if another dude is coming to attack you. The problem with grappling is that when you focus on one opponent, your defence is opened up, and you're open to a lot of attacks. Grappling also requires you to assume a very close range with the opponent, which usually means if they have a weapon, you're doomed. Besides that, if you are in a very enclosed area, you don't really have much space to grapple, when you could just punch or elbow the opponent. Grappling also makes it harder for you to run from the street fight scenario, since chances are you won't be on your feet at all times. Of course, grappling is great at neutralising an opponent and every striker should know some grappling, but it wouldn't be my go-to for a street fight scenario. Most fights end on the ground, but all fights start on the feet. Be safe✌🏻

You can beat a grapler with striking and you can beat a striker with grappling. It depends on how good is the striker and how good is the Grappler. I do both and I'm telling you a grapple that never trained against actual strikes probably would freeze in a real fight. Or take way too much unnecessary damage. That's just my opinion

You think that you have tu play on thé ground in a street fight ?

To stop an intent grappler, don't try and catch him with an upper cut or anything so fancy. He'll not want to go too low to come in, you punish him with punches, when he comes in too low, you slam his ass to the ground pushing him down, skipping back.

We talking about 1v1, if u on a street fight and there is more than 1 opponent, grappling wont work, u need both, at least muay thai and bjj😉just grappling is not the correct answer

In a street fight or self defense striking is better because most fights end very quickly and second if u take the fight to the group you are most likely going to get kicked in the head by other people always stay on your feet

Both

Striking, a little grappling to get people off you but if you are on bottom get the hell out of there.

I train both but I think striking is better 1. Defence most of the time street thug punch on a street fight. 2. Easier to dissengage. 3. You don't want to go to the ground in a street fight.