I don't think KZfaq would allow extension for KZfaq for ever. Because mobile users of KZfaq are huge and extensions aren't available on mobile.

@@SafavidAfsharid3197 they could make an attempt to integrate those features into KZfaq itself, because the technologies’ there and already done for them, they just have to figure out how to make them work better with the core youtube

Honestly the biggest thing I want from KZfaq streams is a pop-out player.

@@Cranky__ that's on KZfaq premium

@@Cranky__ yeah dude it's the best function that Twitch has cause i can play gacha games while watching Twitch. I wish they'd also add the audio only background option cause it's great when your on the move.

my live tab on mobile is just filled with who i watched and reccomended channels ☠

I agree but youtube has acknowledged its an issue and is being worked on. Give it a years and they'll have a much better interface for live as their engineers update it

I only know about it from remembering when there was a clearer way to find it, and looking for it when I thought they legit removed live streaming categories or whatever. It has absolutely nothing and I can’t find any actual live streams on it, but the thing is there at least

For real. The shorts tab is so unnecessary IMO, just replace that with a Live tab

When he clicked on IShowSpeed live on KZfaq I just remember the scene that got him banned from twitch💀

Amogus

Well said

all the people who aren't former twitch frogs (or like in the 13-30 demographic) will have a fit if that happens. KZfaq caters to way more than just KZfaq gaming like twitch does. might bring more hate on it if it's integrated like shorts

Literally just show people a random top livestream every once in a while at the end of a video (recommend) or put you on it after a short and viola. People see streams.

@@margo3c541 why would they have a fit if the sorting made more sense? The KZfaq community has always been against the KZfaq UI, they’ve never really seemed to get it right

I get push notifications

@@sterloin even push notification doesn't do it and it becomes way less if you are subscribed and pressed the bell a lot of streamers.

@@sterloin same, I think it has to do with having notifications activated?

Honestly KZfaq streaming has decent discovery - I've done a few streams, and although I just started, I've had people stop by and tune into my stream. I've found it depends on the game (Twilight Princess being more popular), but even without it setup properly in KZfaq gaming I had some viewers stop by. Honestly not sure if anyone would've stopped by on twitch, but I haven't had that experience, so I can't say for certain Provided these are all my opinions, but YT seems to be getting better with the streaming discovery

There are notifications for streamers going live. I get them. They're just kinda inconsistent, even if you do click the bell.

You search for a stream. Type in gta live stream you get the live streams.

@@bobhanson1037 thats not the issue. The issue is that you cant easily know if the streamers your subscribed to is live.

@@tylerbowman4397 but the streams that you are subscribed to that are live show up on the top of your subscriptions page.

@@anonimouse7043 not always and its inconsistent. There need to be a dedicated tab or section just for livestreams your subscribed too

Subscribe + Bell should fix your issue. It will send web/mobile notifs and will feature upcoming/ongoing streams on your KZfaq homepage. The notifs are personalized if you don't use the bell so it may take sometime for notifs to adjust though. I don't know about that Live page, I just checked mine and it looks like a fucking trainwreck.

tbf youtube has even less discoverability imo, its hard to search the people you want to find if they are small as u can have any name you want, you dont really get livestreams on recommended, theres not a good livestream specific tab where u can browse certain games like twitch, theres nothing... I think the only stream I get on my recommended is ludwigs, youtube just isnt a good streaming service, we need a new one that takes the best of everything, unfortunately that will never happen any time soon

The answer is they won't, at least considering their current plausible changes. Also, 2 weeks to wait for the new changes to YT. So YT seems like a winner in this scenario...

@@purpleguy3924 I agree, but when I say discoverability I mean the potential for past content to be picked up by the algorithm and shown to people ; no one grows on Twitch by just streaming, they usually have a KZfaq channel where they upload highlights

nah, it'll be fine

VODs on Twitch are absolutely horrendous to watch and because it so annoying I usually stop watching, but with KZfaq I can atleast get through the whole stream

KZfaq also has better quality control. It doesn't lag like twitch does when your internet slows down, it just drops your viewing quality automatically.

Slay queen HYPERCLAP

Literally love pausing and vods on KZfaq, I hate missing a moment and not being able to rewind or having to do something for a bit and miss many minutes with a painful system to watch it back later

I do the exact same thing

Exactly! Like I hate twitch for the lag that happened to me when watching someone live; because no matter what I do to try to fix the lag it doesn't it just doesn't But here in YT I even watch with a potato internet, and that why I quit watching twitch livestream, and then when Ludwig decided to move to KZfaq I started to watch him more when I can So when I hear that sykkuno is moving to KZfaq gaming I was so happy

From what I've seen with smaller creators I follow, it tends to work well for them to build their audience around prerecorded videos, and then do livestreams from time to time, rather than trying to go the other way around. KZfaq's algorithm is simply more tailored towards recommending prerecorded videos. Something I think they could improve on, especially recommending more streams to people who regularly watch streams. But I imagine it's tough to do that without interfering with the rest of the platform (ie. those that don't want to watch livestreams).

@@etekweb I've been thinking about this and I really don't think it would interfere with much. I get recommended so many videos I don't care about as it is. When creators I'm subbed to are live, their streams show up in my recommended over and over again and look just like any other video. If people don't want to be recommended lives, they can mark it as uninterested like they already do. I wish KZfaq would add more options when you remove suggestions though - could fix a lot of issues.

@@etekweb Yes, that's 100% how you do.

Not a Rae viewer but if there's any comment he should read it's this IMO, that approach makes so much sense and I constantly scroll past his streams for the same reason.

I like how honest he is when he said his thumbnails are bad cause they really are dogshit. Still my streamer though.

agreed

This is so true lol.

Nice feedback

i would disagree, almost EVERY big streamer has the exact same setup, clips channel, highlights channel, fan made account channels etc. I dont think ludwig being on YT changes the amount of views he gets on those types of channels, as any big streamer would have high numbers on those types of accounts.

​@@DaFifaKid it kinda changed a lot tho... as someone who only watch X on twitch, I got zero recommendation about him on youtube, but if I have to watch him live on youtube then youtube will recommends a lot of stuffs about him whatever a highlights, vod or clip. and I'm sure that will help those channels grows more.

Ludwig7

This is actual factual the ONLY REASON I went and made a twitch account was because I wanted to watch Sykunno 🥰

@@vivid_5095 SAME.

@@vivid_5095 I almost made a twitch account only because I wanted to watch Sykkuno but then I procrastinated on it and now I don't even need to anymore lol

​@@vivid_5095 I did the same thing lol! only reason I have a twitch account is because of Sykkuno (or Sukkuno if you're Twitch staff).

I havent watched twitch in a long time due to the ads, but when i did i typically had a time period i would watch, this means i would try to find a couple streamers for that timeslot, so if someone had a regular stream at that time i would typically come back every day

finally scheduled streams for Sykkuno! We had to rely on a Twitter bot that announced when Sykkuno changed his stream title

i agree that the scheduled streams can help attract viewers! i don’t think it should be mandatory though. likewise, a unique thumbnail can help attract viewers, but shouldn’t be required either. like technoblade had some sick art for one of his lore streams and it made me click on it even though i don’t keep up with the dream smp

@@itsederrengifo yeah and sykkuno's twitch notifications were broken, i got everyone's but his all the time, if you wanted to watch him you had to be dedicated or already on twitch waiting for him LMAO

But I think it should also give an option to start stream directly, because sometimes you can't schedule an hour in advance.

XQC would never come over his community to built around Twitch

True, but it might be a while till the big guys switch because as long as they're making bank they don't care. Also love the vids man

currently twitch doesn't offer anything unique to be a stand out. if they give x a lot of money I think he will switch.

hello there

Wtf no. I dont really use twitch but monopoly sucks

The only difference between Twitch and KZfaq is that Twitch is a platform solely for Live streamers and you can see that by how they developed the platform and being able to discover a lot of good streamers and good moderation. KZfaq Gaming is not that bad but still not as good as Twitch streaming quality (minus the ads, I also hate the ads).

I never watch vods. It just doesn't feel the same as watching live. Idk.

It's probably better to schedule from an SEO standpoint. It also gives one a chance to pump out notifications on Tiktok, YT Shorts, Insta, FB, and Twitter - to drive as many people to your channel as possible. Of course I haven't actually tried it myself, but in terms of promotion it might be better to do.

"Latewig" is good for engagement because even non-commentor viewers also chats on the livestream.

I agree with that, from my perspective I don’t think it’s a big deal at all, I just remember Ludwig mentioning it every now and then, as well as in this video, that he’s uncomfortable with how chat is when he’s a few minutes late. If it does matter to him, this is something I think he can do to help it.

Finally, someone who recognized that Vtuber is a very prominent part of YT steaming culture!

the latewig meme is a banned word, i always get muted when i said it in the live

It sucks cause I'm sure he knows a lot of people are joking about it but it still feels bad to see it. :/

More than younger I think it would get more diverse if he continues making content with other communities like vtubers, who are already big on YT, but also female audience considering KZfaq as a platform has a bigger percentage already. He also could capitalize on Corpse's viewers who are more in KZfaq and didn't bother to watch him on Twitch, it would easier for them and they are A LOT. Worse case scenario, he will keep is recurrent 15-20k viewers he already had

Sykkuno diaper play

I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

100%. At the end of today's livestream he asked us to raid Tarik. I immediately clicked on the link, was hoping for a nice moment where thousands of ludbuds are spamming "lud raid" in the chat and Tarik realizing what happened and thanking ludwig for the raid. Instead got hit with a 30 second ad, and by the time it finished, Tarik had already addressed the raid and went right back to his game. I can't even scroll back a minute like i can on youtube,

Watching on twitch is honestly a horrible experience, I can't watch a bit, think if I like it jump, and back, because there always a 30 second unskippable ad before it

@Rip Tide I have seen the recent interviews with YT staff and they are not incompetent, they have a huge level of protocol before making an action, this is how they have survived and thrived all these years. But they could be faster

Yes, I think they are working on something

The more views/likes/comments a video recieves more rapidly the higher it is prioritized in the algorithm, likes and comments probably matter more though tbh

That’s true. I think youtube will eventually fix what’s wrong with their live-streaming platform in terms of features and usurp twitch entirely

i just think that the average age demographics of each site is very different. KZfaq has more kids and lower age demographic while Twitch has more viewers who are from the older population. But then again vtubers exists or is it a different story?

@@whysmile9412 i think it's not age, more like cultural things. somehow in majority Asian country, Pay based subscription service aren't that popular choice for people. Exclusivity & Consumer loyalty not in our bloodline. big reflected in our cellular payment. IMHO

Honestly, this explains all the gloominess at the end of his yesterday's stream (or today's stream. I dunno timezones suck)

@@SakshamJain0201 i think it was 2 days ago LMAO

@@SnipFred fr? I am not really having the sense of time it seems..

Latewig weirdchamp

Twitch is awful with ad revenue compared to youtube, but twitch has alot more subscribers. If you want a more detailed breakdown find one of devin nash's videos, but essentially youtube profit shares their ads, but twitch pays a pittance per ad

ad revenue depend on the CPM, or the cost for the advertiser for each 1000 views of content, since KZfaq algorithm is so advance that guarantees your ad to be seen by the right people, their CPM is pretty high because the advertiser will have bigger changes to convert. For the creator, this means they will get more money from their views. In the other hand, Twitch CPM is really bad because develop better algorithms is very expensive, so what they do is increase the spam for users to be more exposed to "ad time"... This is the main reason Twitch is kinda doomed long term. Ads are the only way they can make the platform profitable, but they cannot compete with KZfaq in that market, so they are relying on the patience of their creators and viewers to push as far as they can until Bezos decides to sell the platform

@@itsederrengifo twitch doesnt even give full ad revenue sharing, devin nash covered this as one possible solution for twitch if they want broadcasters to show ads, but he also said it probably wont happen because it would be a huge difference

I'm pretty sure you're allowed to disclose ad revenue in youtube. A lot of content creators have done it for a video to dispel the myth that you aren't allowed to talk about earnings. Sponsors are the ones that may tell the creator not to share earnings.

@@kb-ww1uw you are on KZfaq but not on twitch, it's baked into their contracts so people don't talk about how bad it is

or you know, he could pay people to make the thumbnails art or otherwise

Hey, do you bave some examples?

@@slbhugomarques2 I suppose some examples of this happening, not specifically as OP says, but there are times where hololive EN members or nijisanji EN members I've seen have an open voice chat on discord so any other member can hop in and be apart of it. Major example is of holoCouncil's big boom on this in Minecraft, when the streams would have people join sporadically versus the normal scheduled collabs, it brought on some new guerilla content for everyone. I don't have many other examples, but I suppose to answer OP, the difference is if the big streamers are even in the same discord with others, otherwise they wouldn't be able to join the channel as easily than if they were to message each other and do that instead. There's moments on twitch where they interact by watching each other's streams, but other than that, I don't think the impromptu discord channels would work much for IRL streamers.

@@nabe4320 the big boom of holocouncil really made streams more fun and chaotic. You're watching a chill solo ina building stream?Nope! Now you're watching Fauna and Kroni try to kill each other with Ina building on the sidelines. Really glad they loosened up on the normal scheduled collabs.

From what I've seen this happens with irl streamers too just in different ways. For instance jschlatt sometimes calls people mid stream. It's not as common but it definitely happens. Just it happens in different ways to vtubers. It's also a lot more common with smaller irl streamers. Often times they just join each other in games no warning

This has been mentioned many times by many streamers. How can they bring people they know absolutely nothing about, much less trust, onto their screen? What are the benefits vs potential liabilities? This is why both Ludwig and QT have suggested that you do fun collaborations with other streamers approximately your size and grow your audience together, just like so many big streamers that people watch regularly now got to know each other in game lobbies like Among Us back when they were much smaller streamers, and still share their audience.

You can stream on both KZfaq and twitch at the same time.. if you don’t sign up for affiliate you should be fine. Twitch is better for finding new people but KZfaq is better for vods.. bro he says this in the video

Starting on youtube I think would be very difficult since there's almost no discovery on youtube, twitch is much easier for people new to being a creator to build an audience since there's lots of people on twitch who enjoy watching small streamers and participating in smaller communities, not to mention being able to filter by game directory helps people grow a lot but the big reason we're seeing A LOT of big streamers on twitch swapping platforms now is because twitch announced they're (potentially) cutting partner revenue. In a previous video from Ludwig I think on mogul mail he was discussing how twitch didn't want to give partners a 70/30 split on subs anymore and is talking about dropping it to 50/50 essentially cutting their sub income by 20%, that on top of twitch not really caring about their creators is pushing a lot of large streamers to leave the platform. I think the vast majority of creators with a big enough following are going to leave twitch when their contract expires simply because the platform pays less and cares less.

they cant "fix" copyright issues, aside from YT literally BUYING out the licenses to shows like masterchef etc.

@@DaFifaKid yeah true lmao, just overall improving the copyright system and such to be more react friendly if that’s a possibility

Well hasan and most of those people on the top are basically restreaming content that other people made which is called stealing. When reacting you have to transform the content, add something to it and just playing the video and eating or not even being preset there isn't transforming at all. Though I agree that for music or some visuals it triggers too fast as a copyright flag.

@@alandioda yeah, and honestly I wasn’t a big fan of the whole watching shows like avatar or master chef on stream and it wasn’t transformative at all. If yt does ease up on the music copyright tho, that’ll definitely attract more ppl

Unless copyright gets fixed where it's not after your grandkids are dead it's gonna be a problem, because no court is gonna look at Hasan not being there or eating ramen and non find him guilty of copyright infringement

This is legitimately a fantastic idea

pretty sure they did and it was youtube gaming. shut down due to low usage.

no wonder qt loves him.

same

Same