People don’t understand how broken trader rep is. On EOD if you know how to play the game you will always have enough rep for when you make lvl requirements. That is NOT the case for standard which people don’t understand how crucial some of that is

The other thing about mod community games and servers like DayZ is that it actually saves the company a LOT of money in server costs. Instead of having to support the entire community’s servers they can rely partially on the communities servers for load.

Grayzone Warfare smelling the blood in the water and releasing Early Access tomorrow could be a massive hit for BSG if the game shows promise

They made a great game by accident. I think that’s every online game. The original Gears Of War online was I think the most unique online game. I loved it, wall bouncing, rodey popping dudes with my shotty. Every patch they tried nerfing the shotty veterans, so kids could run around holding the B button with zero skill to cause a chainsaw animation. But we adapted every patch. I remember they patched the game right before a MLG paid money tournament I was playing, it was like wtf bro, the day of the tourney they completely changed shotty mechanics, especially related to running. lmao. Well, when Gears 2 came out, Cliffy B made sure to nerf shotguns into oblivion, and that’s where it stayed. Gears 3 brought it back, but not like it was, and subsequent games kept GOW3’s bs. Not even the remake of GOW 1 played like GOW1. They made the game by accident.

For me it's, simple this is not acceptable because: 1. They keep playing these definitional games about DLC, showing clearly they don't respect their original backers (I'm here since 2017) AT ALL. 2. They still have the p2w stuff which they claim they will adress, but I'm very much so getting the feeling from this post that they're saying as much as possible without doing anything. 3. It wasn't an apology, it was about how it's our fault we felt this way. 4. They decided to use our money which we gave 7 years ago or smth to develop arena, which we didn't ask for, and then they screwed it up completely, and didn't try to fix the financial situation the right way, with non p2w microtransactions and not disrespecting those with EOD, 5. Nikita revealed how he truly feels about us in the interview that got leaked. He hasn't changed, and finally 6. They literally deleted stuff from their website in real time to avoid responsibility and then Nikita DENIED IT entirely, absolutely no respect. I've been here since 2017, I was getting fed up with the broken promises from over the years and arena as it was, but this is it for me man, I'm going back to arma and dayz.

We don't want all this extra bull$hlt. We just want the game to be finished and run well and have good audio.

He never said "I'm sorry", he said "I'm sorry you all feel this way (sic)"

“I’m sorry you feel this way” is basically what he said. Shit wasn’t even a real apology because they don’t feel they did anything wrong. From the wise words of George W. “Fool me on time shame on you. Fool me can’t get fooled again.”

ONE MONTH AGO Nikita said "clothing mtx ONLY" I wouldn't trust him if he said the sun is shining without looking myself anymore, what a beach he is......

The PVE mode should be client-side and should not need to be connected to BSG servers. This way BSG wouldn't need to pay for server infrastructure and could open it up to more people. Also, this OFFLINE content should be included in ALL editions, even if the editions are raised in price to accomodate. People still have to drop £250 to play what should be offline mode which is rediculous. We haven't won yet, don't give BSG an inch.

Bro mods have been a thing since CS 1.6 .. The game felt empty until people modded servers with bloodsplashes, voicelines, tracerbullets.. Mods are necessary.

A simple support the devs donation on the main menu ,more skins and the ability to purchase private servers from bsg or whatever hosts they're using would have been the best win win scenario here

"It was an accident, they didnt understand why the game was good" Exactly this.

Can you coordinate with the other guys on twitch to pressure BSG for this?

Tarkov is indeed saved. To my hard drive. With SPT-AKI. And a metric ton of mods.

Thats what we've been asking for for years. when i watched tarkins video of IC raytraced i literally said i would become a IC main if thats what it looked like. like the amount of money they could make if a few communities make some REALLY good servers and then they sell PvE as DLC

Still waiting for that Audio DLC.

It’s not even the DLC for me. It’s the in-game friend list summoning, plus the cloak of invisibility to AI scavs in the pvp mode. That shit is whack and hurts the game

W take, thanks for getting to the heart of the issue, the very confused nature of Nikita and BSG, completely misunderstanding WHY we're angry. We don't want more perks, we want I N T E G R I T Y.

15:07-15:50 I have been saying this nearly word for word since this whole Unheard drama started. I started with a standard account and within a month a upgraded to EOD because standard and EOD players are playing two completely different games. Gamma has always been P2W this isn't an opinion it's just a fact.

The fact that they release it, call it "Unheard edition" after Pestily's interview "people just want to be heard" and deliver this car crash for 250. Nah man, I'm actually out.

Trey play marauders

Remember, it takes little to no effort to make these promises. Overpromising likely leads to a rushed product, or one that never comes. It's extremely easy for them to say "we'll give you everything you want!" in a desperate attempt to retain users. Whole different beast and business implications to actually put these changes in place. I would like to know why they even conjured up the terrible idea of offering a 200$+ package in the first place. Are they in dire straits? What's to stop them from monetizing in even more predatory ways further down the line. Nikita's PR seems amateurish at best, and I take this word with a grain of salt.

id love rattle canned weapon skins

My account just got reset today without my asking. I'm back to square one. Has this happened to anyone else recently?

When will people realise that the whole concept of UH edition is not that it's too much p2w... start looking at the details and start connecting the god damn dots.. bigger pockets (more loot),GOOD starter weapons with GOOD attachments already ON the weapons.. soon the beacon which spawns people in raid when a player uses it.. Starting skill on SPECIFICALLY sniping... guys it's not the Unheard edition.. it's the RMT edition

Is anyone really surprised? Nikita showed his true colors when they allowed folks to buy Arena and kept EOD owners out. They knew that releasing it near the holidays would push EOD owners to buy Arena just to be able to play with their friends. This was pre-meditated and I think it’s because they’re prepping to sellout completely and bail on the project. It was a money grab from day 1.

No, no it's not.

So the unheard edition is…. A dlc now.. weird

Can anyone tell me why BSG is so against transparency in development? Isn’t that like the easiest way to maximize satisfaction among the player base?

Do you really think that if ABi wasn't coming they would've done as much? Think they just trynna keep player retention, they're not ready for a direct competitor that has a big budget on unreal engine. I think they need to stop worrying about the similarities and take advantage of the fact they have years in the game already and actually make their game shine.

The server capacity excuse doesnt make sense to me and its getting annoying. Do they not have server capacity for the base game either? I can only playone at a time, PvE or PvP. I cant play them both at the same time. So how can there be capacity for me to play PvP right now, but not PvE? its a cop out answer...

I would be down for free momex and usec cap every raid as compensation

They should have just made the gamma container available on the site for purchase. Literally the only reason I bought the new edition. The rest of the stuff is retarded. I do like the big pockets tho ngl

Grey Zone Warfare is packaged EXACTLY the same way including the same (or very similar to EOD) for the top tier purchase... Why nobody crying about that? looool.

Gray zone saved us

Unless they backtrack fully and give me this new edition for free, Ill be making sure that I never spend another dollar with BSG and I will download the SPT mod. It's shameful what they are trying to pull and I wont give them an inch

They said PVE was never going to be a thing. They could have just added locql host PVE thats all ran client side with peer to peer co-op if at all and people would have been happy. Complaining about server costs is just gas-lighting.

DayZ was a mod btw

"after the release of the game" so maybe by 2032?

That is if they do any of it. The whole issue here is they keep lying!

Nope, they didn’t address the lies. They did address the shady changes to wording of EOD perks… I’m done with tarkov!

servers in tarkov would make the game just like day z and keep it at below mainstream level

I'll play if 1.0 ever comes out just because I've waited for 6 years and I'll have the new DLC I paid for. Very strong IF they been saying 1.0 soon since 2020.

Why was pve ever going to be hosted on servers? Just have it local hosted just like every other coop pve game. And give it to every edition of the game.

People that bought it, yes, I have friends that bought it, and yea. I was live when I got yeeted off the game for the update. I didnt know anything about it. I checked the patch notes, and I immediately went to discord pissed off, on stream. It was obvious af that no one was caving, and they’d have to revert to a degree at least, so to anyone that did buy it, it was obvious the first hour that this would all play out, so don’t cry to me, maybe learn from this lol. Most of my friends didnt even think about it lol, they just bought it like yea of course i bought it lol. Okay bro. Well lie in the bed you made.

For me its a start for sure. Im back to playing but this is the last chance

Modding will make the game succeed because the people who rebuilt tarkov already with there own assets. Theyll make the game better than bsg can or ever will. Modding is like custom servers like dayz and rust.

I understand peoples frustration, however I don’t agree. The only DLC was the game mode, yes we should have gotten it as EOD owners 100%. But the fact that everyone is upset that they have a new package to support the game doesn’t make sense to me. And anyone that truly thinks it’s “pay to win” is just delusional. Unheard edition is not got going to get you to lvl 42 that much quick (people complaining about lvl3 sniper womp womp, we all know it’s for the casuals that never see lvl 25 in game). I promise that having a couple extra cases won’t get you Lightkeeper, max traders or your 7 kills in one raid. Unheard edition doesn’t make you instantly head tap everyone. Everyone chill and play or don’t. #EOD4LIFECUH

entire genres of games spawned out of modding that completely dominate the market. MOBAs came from warcraft modding, CS gmod ect came from half life modding. why tf would you not want your community to mod your game

trey they wil not recover frome thes

Nikita gives the kind of apologies that I give to my girlfriend

15:08 trey bruh you are missing something about EOD i did buy EOD bc they promised all DLC for free (o boy and how wrong i was to believe them) not becouse trader rep and shit like that ofc there are people who did buy it for p2w benefits mainly... they could and should back then sell something like "future DLC pack" for idk what price so you could buy standard edition and dlc pack by it self not bundle

"I'm sorry that my bad behavior made you feel bad" That's not even a real apology, Nik. My trust is not so easily won. Release the server software. Allow us to have private servers for PvP and PvE. Keep official servers if you like. But as an EOD holder I'm tired of funding offshoot projects that I didn't ask for. I'm tired of needing to go through BSG to enjoy their game. They have a terrible track record of managing cheaters, and this new version just created MORE potential for cheaters to abuse them. If you don't think cheaters will be eager to drop $250 for a new copy with extra flea slots, you must not know how much money can be made off this extra slot. Oh, AND they can call in people to mop of more loot for RMT? Get real, BSG. Get your act together or get rekt. Releasing the server software is the best thing for the long-term health and future of the game, not to mention PvE and modding.

People don't realize that this game will die without a way for BSG to make money. It's been out for 8 years. The only people buying it right now are hackers that get their accounts banned. If you want them to continue to develop the game, then they need a new way to make money. It's really not that hard to understand

no.

I'd like to see some real acknowledgement of their errors before I come back. I'm not investing any more time or money knowing that these guys are flying by the seat of their pants with zero integrity or respect for their most loyal & highest supporting players... They literally released the new version & said "Now we see who the true believers are" & "let them go" regarding the EOD players that got totally screwed with & lied to. BSG has a few blue-letter sweethearts for now, but it sure as hell isn't gonna be me 😂.

Simple but not ideal solution, just give everyone who has EOD the Unheard edition and if they had EOD and bought unheard just refund them. I agree with Trey I don't want the extra stuff but they do not seem like they want to take it out. Make the unheard edition the same price as EOD for new customers. Also stop selling multiple editions that should never have been a thing everyone should have a level battlefield, I don't want to be more geared at the start then other people. The only reason I bought EOD was to get ALL FUTURE DLCS, If that is a promise they can not keep due to server issues, then issue me a refund and I will just buy the cheapest edition. Generate the money they need with cosmetics in the future, I got the stupid clothes... I would have spent a ton of money on that bullshit (cause I am clearly a mark). I don't want to now cause BSG don't got their business straight.

2:34 I don't want mods on online servers? Because I didn't install better armor mod that the other person has better armor than me. No thank you

Hot take because I haven't been able to play this game because everyone is better than me Now that literally 80% of the player base has left, I have been having the time of my life. I've leveled up so quickly because there's no PMCs I went from level one to level 13 in a day that took me almost 2 months because of all the PMC players killing me So while I hate this, I'm having the time of my life and I've been enjoying the game more than I have had in the past 5 years

From my perspective, looking back on why they decided to stop selling EOD, was part of this con to get people to buy the UE of the game to cap a gamma and for BSG to grab a bunch of shitty anti-Tarkov fan's cash. The whole look is disgusting from top to bottom. I hope they realize how big of a mistake they've made and can own up to it. The alternative seems to not be in BSG's, or the communities interest. Otherwise I'll just stick to SPT-AKI and having some cheater-less fun.

Trey, did you know about the Unheard edition before everyone else did and fake react for views?

Warcraft III was absolutly ruined from a business perspective because of mods.

Worse then Cyberpunk or any company in the history has did! This people needs to get lawsuit with a whole room of lawiers and lie detectos on eatch one of em, for what they promises and dident deliverd and make a gaming legislation.

I’m still waiting for my Left Behind code, I was hella scammed

Very careful dude why? They took our money no refunds to be offered that`s why this game is not on steam cause they want the money and if this shit happened on steam this game would be down the gutter.

I will not be going back to Tarkov. I know thats my decision but i got the EOD as soon as it was available. so YEARS... and its just shady AF Gray Zone and Break Out Arena!!! Woot woot

amongst all the bs… PvE is loads of fun… 😅

a ye mod a online game and then have black market admins selling items no thx

I've wanted a PvE mode in Tarkov sense i hit 500 hours, it solves pretty much every problem i've had about the game ever, no hackers (probably) Tasks are going to be achieveable for someone who doesnt live on Tarkov (aka streamers) You have to realize your PoV is VERY far off/different to the casual gamer/majority of gamers in general. No-one wants to work 10+ hours to come home and bang their head against a wall 3 months after wipe when the game is actually stable enough to play to get pistol kills on streamers and no-lifers its just not fun. The game has been made increasingly difficult for everyone BUT streamers and no-lifers this game has pandered towards your type of gamers for the last idk how many years but way to many. HOWEVER with that being said...this should NOT in anyway be something that you pay for. Everything they are offering was in game already, they only needed to click enable on a LOT of what they "added" And they want 200$ for it...thats just absurd

They are so scummy. They were totally against mod support now that Klean goes and plays SPT and shows how good it is now they want to put it in the game? They are so fake i wont be surprised if we never see 1.0

People are just going to find something else to bitch and moan about.

NOPE, NOT SAVED.

Nope.

Im so sick of the Tarkov community, not since the new drama, but I always argued with tards about EOD being pay to win and most saying its not refusing to use their brain

If you're going to pay to win, you get better bang for buck if you buy cheats. Just saying.

Tarkov was not goin to go under because of the Unheard version... BSG gave juuuuust enough of an almost-apology (sorry YOU are feeling this way), we will give EOD owners access to PvE... but only for 6 months.... The worst: WHEn the game releases.... Hahahaha!

The Game… wack. Nikita… wack… the greed.. wack… Greyzone… tight as FUCK.

Classic click bait

it's really cool but the issue still stands for cheaters on tarkov no? Mod servers would be so cool and would get rid of cheater problems trey cooking fr but knowing bsg they won't add it and try to milk more money out of their fans. BSG fucking sucks

If the unheard edition was 175 or 200 i wouldnt complain and probably just upgrade. I make enough money and am happy to pay but the 100$ difference and pay to win shit ruins it. EOD was fine IMO because it was basic gear but this shit was different

Definitely fucking not Surely it’s just another BSG bait either.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i8B2mpWCttLTnYE.html It is NOT

I just want the game to die at this point.

716 views t24k fell off😢

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Bunch of crybabies. EOD was already p2w. And everyone got EOD for stash, gamma, and trader rep. Half people didnt even realize DLC part until this blew up. Yes BSG are greedy bastards. But in the end yall got what u wanted. You cant trust anyone so get over it. Nothing surprising here

Fxckkk no its not

Listen, I understand that they might not be able to refund the extra money people and myself spent on the unheard edition, and I'm not supporting BSG with the super amazingly good stuff they game you, extra pocket space is ok as come on it doesn't help you that much, and also thr main reason why I bought it was for PvE I don't care what others say I'm gonna only be play PvE as that's what I want, and as for mods I'm gonna enjoy that, also I am still bitter about the fact that they where banning people because of single player takrov and modding SPT as well, but I'm glad they are changing ❤ Also something about the radio that stops scavs from spotting you from 60m, I don't know if it just doesn't work for PvE but scavs still see me past 100m 😂

nona·pol·o·gy /ˌnänəˈpäləjē/ noun a statement that takes the form of an apology but does not constitute an acknowledgement of responsibility or regret for what has caused offense or upset. "he issued a nonapology hinting that the gamerz were at fault"

Lol im downloading SPT and mods as I type this. Fuck them