Is the Chimera the BEST transport in the game? | 10th Edition

Is the Chimera the BEST transport in the game? | 10th Edition | Astra Militarum Tactics

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10 ай бұрын

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@Bodya_CN 10 ай бұрын

I still think not being able to order your own goddamn unit inside a Chimera with an officer inside that same Chimera is the stupidest thing ever.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

yeah orders are way too restrictive in 10th sadly... kasrkin not being able to use their ability while embarked is a commissar bolt worthy level crime hopefully we get a balance patch that allows orders to be issued while/after disembarking and deepstrike

@jimmydesouza4375 5 ай бұрын

It's loud in there though.

@richtheunstable3359 5 ай бұрын

@@jimmydesouza4375radios. The imperium is still capable of that level of tech

@ElTheJono Ай бұрын

Solved in latest balance dataslate!

@WhenYouGoMadd Ай бұрын

They seriously need to buff the Chimera's Mobile Command Vehicle ability. It's so janky how your units can't recceive Orders, while inside of a vehicle.

@ericmumper6821 10 ай бұрын

The last time I was this early for a video, Cadia was still a planet.

@Beowulf-eg2li 10 ай бұрын

@internetuser320 10 ай бұрын

Last time kitten is still alive😂😢

@EinMensch237 7 ай бұрын

CADIA STANDS HERETIC

@agentcoriolis9208 10 ай бұрын

I love the idea of having a heavy weapon squad in with lascannons. Chimera suddenly thinks it’s a Leman Russ

@cherubael5029 10 ай бұрын

"We have Leman Russ at home" Leman Russ at home: Chimera with two lascannons mounted like a technical 😂

@agentcoriolis9208 10 ай бұрын

@@cherubael5029 budgeted* 😆

@percymacdonald6657 10 ай бұрын

Is there any way to get take aim onto the lascannons though?

@agentcoriolis9208 10 ай бұрын

@@percymacdonald6657 yeh. They count as being equipped by the vehicle. So a take aim order from a tank commander or the lord Solar will affect the weapon.

@LessWater 10 ай бұрын

I like the idea of running Catachans in them and as many torrent weapons as possible. Let's you make aggressive moves in to the middle of the board and strongly discourages anything from moving too close, lest you bless it with fire.

@woagwoag 5 ай бұрын

we have hellhounds at home, chimera full of flamers.

@sephrus7784 10 ай бұрын

This is why i love the Storm Chinera. Gladly trade the lasgun array for an autocannon in the turret. Str 9 ap -1 d 3 is no joke

@Bobamelius 10 ай бұрын

I love my two Chimeras with Jungle Fighters in them. Scout move 4tw

@eezergoode8588 9 ай бұрын

They also have a rug in the back. Ties the whole thing together.

@KevinPuttock1981 10 ай бұрын

The command vehicle ability is at least useful turn 1 to be able to use the officer inside with their 10 man squad to order something outside the tank before they zoom off. I think catachans with straken in a chimera and some scout sentinels could make for an interesting skirmishing flank

@Sentinel-40K 10 ай бұрын

I literally was about to comment on your old Chimera video asking for an updated Chimera video. TY

@GeltBalthazar. 10 ай бұрын

they make great walls

@nodin9439 4 ай бұрын

Thanks! I am new to 40k and this video really helped me make my first 1000 point army list.

@lightning1403 10 ай бұрын

Assuming that your interpretation of the Master Vox and Command Vehicle stacking it correct, you could put a Platoon Command squad with a special weapon and heavy weapon, to take advantage of that firing deck two, and issue an order (or two with master tactician) to be a nice mobile forward command bunker.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

sadly as per the rules commentary "Units embarked within a Transport do not count as being on the battlefield" and only the officer MODEL can benefit from the rule while all other models in the unit are treated as off the battlefield therefor the master vox wargear wouldn't work guard rules are janky af :(

@lightning1403 10 ай бұрын

That is also 5 points cheaper than putting an infantry squad in.

@male1ism 10 ай бұрын

I dunno if it helps guard much but since firing deck weapons become a part of the vehicle's weapon list they at least get bonuses from orders given to vehicles

@ericmats4662 10 ай бұрын

Ogryns can be cool inside aswell, 12 extra heavy bolter shots at close range.

@influencehistory8879 10 ай бұрын

With ap-2 potentially as well

@ponli7532 8 ай бұрын

@@influencehistory8879 only when they exit the vehicle, since abilities don't work inside the vehicle.

@kieranduchayla6657 10 ай бұрын

I'll never understand Goe a chimera or rhino has firing deck 2 but an admech dunerider (which has no roof) doesn't get the rule at all 😂

@operator9858 7 ай бұрын

10 kriegers with a marshal inside a chimera seems a lot tougher then 20 kriegers and a marshal for only 5 points difference...

@Galnar 10 ай бұрын

2 words: Ogryn. Battlewagon. Rush into the enemy, get the heavy flamers firing, bind their shooty stuff in meele and when the Chimera goes boom then the enemy has to deal with 3 ogryns in rapid fire and charge range

@samuelbaldwin2184 10 ай бұрын

Cannot charge after disembarking but it does sound fun

@colonelsanders82 10 ай бұрын

That many many shots will be interesting when applied to a target that has been shot at by a Leman Russ Exterminator.

@redneckgopnik8164 10 ай бұрын

SCIONS, BRO, SCIONS

@sop6424 10 ай бұрын

but scions have deepstrike and can appear anywhere they want by themselves

@redneckgopnik8164 10 ай бұрын

@@sop6424 i meant it more like; DO THAT VIDEO MAN! But other then that, you're 100% right

@MordianGlory 10 ай бұрын

All scion units will be covered this week :)

@randomidoit9605 10 ай бұрын

@@MordianGlory For the Empire!

@redneckgopnik8164 10 ай бұрын

@@MordianGlory brother, you have NO IDEA how much i value your videos. My working hours just melt away while listening to them, thinking about new army list to annoy my eldar playing friend 😅 keep up the great work, m8

@stillunsure7630 10 ай бұрын

1. Primaris was never cool. 2. Multilaser will be the cheapest option when the Codex drops. 3. Mobile twin heavy flamer will always be great on the advance.

@jaredisley-oliver389 10 ай бұрын

I miss the Dual turret Heavy Bolters and Auto-cannons

@douglasbeveridge1861 10 ай бұрын

I have an Armoured Mech Company complete with 2 full strength Armoured Fist Platoons totaling 12 Chimeras all with either autocannons or twin Heavy Bs and most with hull flamers as well. sadly, they won't get out of the barracks much now.

@hardrada8407 10 ай бұрын

Excellent breakdown. The chimera is great value with the amount of shots it puts out

@samuelbaldwin2184 10 ай бұрын

The master vox does not work because the vox caster isn't on the table. The vox caster does not give you the benefit if the model carrying the vox dies, same kinda thing

@kostakatsoulis2922 10 ай бұрын

Idea: load them up platoom command squads as ad hoc special weapon assault teams

@benbaxter1047 10 ай бұрын

With heavy flamers, a tech priest and servitors with 2x multi-meltas and the imperial priest...Attack!

@optimoespacio 9 ай бұрын

Love the fw auto cannon on the chimera. Looks awesome and: autocannon!

@operator9858 10 ай бұрын

'Port holes? What is this the navy?' Lol

@johnj.spurgin7037 10 ай бұрын

I'd actually raise a point of note regarding the chimera as a pillbox Techpriests. You can bring them independent of the unit aboard and disembark them when the unit gets on the point, while the squad aboard stays in the chimera and uses the firing ports. This means that you can ensure OC on the objective even if the chimera gets blasted away, and the techpriest helps with that as well by potentially giving it a 4++ while becoming a mean punchy character if the chimera he's watchdogging dies. Maybe include a servitor retinue? Alternatively, maybe a comissar attached to a regular squad. I don't remember if their ability hard counters the auto-battleshock of a unit disembarking from a wrecked chimera.

@thejosephchrist 10 ай бұрын

Excellent. Just bought my second one of these.

@ericmats4662 10 ай бұрын

Multilaser should have [Rapid fire 4] or something, then maybe it could have been useable in some niche cases

@markstewardson4006 10 ай бұрын

I completely agree either that or 2 profiles so it can be bad but somewhat useful in two scenarios a anti horde option and a weak anti armor option.

@lightning1403 10 ай бұрын

I like to put a squad of catachan's with two flamers in, especially if facing something like orcs or nids. They can scout to race toward the objective, and when the enemy swarms in return, they can fire overwatch with 4 flamers.

@timothyharnedy4495 10 ай бұрын

The reason the Chimera is so cheap is that it only has Imperial Guardsmen to transport. Every other transport in the game is moving something a lot more dangerous about. The other thing that comes to mind is that they don't have a split squads rule, so I don't think you can get a double-sized squad of 20 Guardsmen and split them between two Chimeras. This means that, besides the points cost, you're somewhat limiting your overall body count by putting a 10-man battleline unit into one. Those caveats aside, bearing in mind what you've previously said about 10th trending towards being a very mechanised edition, and Chimeras seem like a good way to add some cheap extra armour to overwhelm the opponent's anti-tank capability.

@charlesmcmanus4229 9 ай бұрын

The metal-bawks (Chimera) has always been the greatest transport (especially when it was amphibious).

@joeladkins1046 10 ай бұрын

I like throwing double flamer Catachans in the Flamera (double flamer Chimera) giving 4 flamer weapons for some burny action

@douglasbeveridge1861 10 ай бұрын

is there any way it can be upgraded with the Forge World optional turrets, or perhaps you have done a video on using FW variants across the guard vehicles

@internetuser320 10 ай бұрын

At least the discounted russ combo is very funny

@rogeravila7682 9 ай бұрын

the drukhari venom is close to being a S tier transport.. if it wasnt t6 it would be the best transport imo

@TheKsalad 8 ай бұрын

So firing your special weapon and heavy weapon outside the chimera using Firing Deck 2, along with the lasgun arrays 6 shots, a Chimera might as well be allowing the entire squad of infantry it's carrying to shoot out

@oblivionfan345Tony 10 ай бұрын

I think what makes sense isnt always what the Rules as Written portray. It says that MODEL can issue an order, not unit. I unfortunately think that RaW means they cannot use the Master Vox.

@keyne444 10 ай бұрын

Damn, I have a Chimera Multi-laser on one. Well, I also have a Leman Russ Exterminator. 😊

@TheDuxbuse 7 ай бұрын

For the price I actually think 3 empty chimeras is a bargain for daka and movement blocking

@alexanderkellar3841 10 ай бұрын

Hey Mordian Glory, quick question about the firing deck rule. Do i have firing angles? So If i pull Out my 2 autocannons, could the shoot something in front or Just 90 degrees like in Bolt Action?

@buryitdeep 10 ай бұрын

He never answers but yes you take the range from any part of the hull.

@DiceandGlory 10 ай бұрын

6 double heavy flamer chimeras is so tasty

@chrisgoodier6825 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if GW made the multi-laser rubbish to discourge people using the classic Chimera kit which didn't have turret options in the box. Forced upgrade to be competitive?

@PitFriend1 10 ай бұрын

That annoys me quite a bit as I have quite a few of the old multilaser armed ones built already and I really don’t want to convert them all.

@hatchne5962 10 ай бұрын

A heavy weapons Team counts as 2 models , it was changed in the last index card update , so HWT + SW on the firing deck doesnt work anymore

@operator9858 10 ай бұрын

It does for servitors and they have melta cannons...

@denisloebner4882 10 ай бұрын

before watching this clip i want to ''chime'' in and mention that chimeras are imo one of the better light tanks now as well cos you can firedeck2 them with 2 2x teams of rapier laser destroyers for 2x 30 points thanks to them being regiment and their quad lascannons counting as 1 gun (but wait, there is more: they are even artillery so sustained hits1 from regimental attachees on top). so for 145 points you get tanks with 4 twin linked lascannons, 2 heavy bolters, a heavy stubber, a hk and the lasgun array. and when the chassis dies you still can exit the rapiers and keep firing.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

sadly chimeras can't transport artillery models so rapiers aren't allowed

@denisloebner4882 10 ай бұрын

oh noo didnt know that. thanks for saving me there :-) @@CatharsisChaser

@douglasbeveridge1861 10 ай бұрын

silly question of the day, are Rapiers even in any current codex or index sheet or are we now reaching inti the deep darkness of past editions.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

@@douglasbeveridge1861 guard FW index 2

@HereticDave40k 10 ай бұрын

Can't use a Master Vox for embarked command squad, as that's a wargear ability, abilities for embarked units can not be used. See Rules Commentary Embarked Units... The Mobile Command Vehicle only states the office model can issue an order, doesn't say anything about his or his units abilities.

@dooker15 10 ай бұрын

cant use master Vox as the master Vox doesn't exist for the purpose of rules while embarked. the officer cant issue orders except that the chimera says they can. Rules as written and intended, as if your running a Master Vox then your officer is in the backfield with the mortars, if in the chimera your with the mobile infantry. Also, the chimera is heavy armoured, no way that vox makes it past the armour, its why it has its own radio.

@PitFriend1 10 ай бұрын

The weird thing with the Mobile Command Vehicle ability is that an Officer in a Chimera can give Orders to units outside the vehicle but can’t issue Orders to the unit in the vehicle with the Officer since the unit is not on the table. For that reason I would also say the Master Vox while in a Chimera wouldn’t work as the unit is not on the table, it’s the same as if the guy with the Master Vox gets killed.

@operator9858 10 ай бұрын

servitor squad comes with 2 heavy weapons right? put them in the hatch with say meltacannons and then drive up on an objective and have the techpriest jump out to fix the chim could be kinda cool no? i was kinda turned off by the priest elsewhere, but this could put him right into the thick of it, while being close to vehicles and he gets that buff if it ends up dying...the servitor bs skill will take some managing but seems pretty nasty (and you still have a lot of room left in the chimera)

@giantninja9173 10 ай бұрын

Would be all for multi laser if it was rapid fire 4

@blackvalordragoon 10 ай бұрын

do a storm chimera with autocannon heavy weapons team for 6 autocannons

@colonelsanders82 10 ай бұрын

Chimera Multilaser should be 3 Attacks, Rapid Fire 3. Same stats otherwise. While still lacking AP, at least it will have a maximum potential damage of 6 (to match the others). It will still be kind of meh, but have some potential for shooting up hordes (in comparison to the Heavy Bolter).

@coco26006 10 ай бұрын

I bought 3 Chimera's last edition because I was looking for transport options, and my god the Chimera is good. I'm used to the rhino where yeah it keeps your troops safe but other than that its garbage, but if the Chimera wasn't a Dedicated Transport I probably would still field them without troops because there good armor, and last edition they were cheaper than a rhino... something I had said at the time was "The Chimera is just spitting on the Rhino"

@operator9858 10 ай бұрын

epic rules really taught me that one. they used to have the infantry stats right next to their transport stats in the list and every time i looked at the guard lists it was always like 'wait a minute!' lol

@benbaxter1047 10 ай бұрын

Epic? That was a long time ago...in a game far, far removed from todays standard. Back when GW games were fun.

@coco26006 10 ай бұрын

@@benbaxter1047 sadly no 9th edition... they were and are good Transports so I would just first round rush the center board with the chimera's and then arty the enemy and throw bodies as a delaying action against the enemy to cut them off from the center objectives

@PlusheLock952 10 ай бұрын

i should be allowed to place a lascannon on the pintle for an extra 15 points

@Josh-zd9pq 10 ай бұрын

I agree with the idea it is useful as a mobile pillbox. I’m planning on using 2 Chimeras with all the dakka and then either lascannon or heavy bloter squads in it. I think blobs of 20 Krieg would be better to move onto objectives though because once the Chimera is destroyed 10 guardsmen isn’t enough to hold a point.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

those 20 krieg will get basted much more reliably before they footslog 6" a turn though, the extra movement and durability are invaluable for objective play also guardsman are some of the best oc to point ratio in the game so contesting opponents objective shouldn't be an issue if you can get there, while the armored fist squad provides much needed durability to attempt to hold onto it through your opponents turn so you can secure it

@Sirilere 10 ай бұрын

Has anyone heard anything about a new chimera version with an autocannon coming? Like in 9th.

@riddytmeed5694 10 ай бұрын

Valkyrie best transport! Valkyrie Gang RISE UP!

@johnpjones1775 10 ай бұрын

Personally in 10th, I think the chimera and taurox are tied. Chimeras are hands down the better choice for for clearing GEQs, is more survivable, and has command ability for orders. But the taurox is faster which makes it better at doing its base job of transporting infantry. Taurox has 4 S9 AP-1 D3 shots that reroll wounds so it’s hands down better against MEQs and vehicles. So it’s a tie imho, just depends on what you want.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

taurox only has 2 twinlinked shots and a stormbolter so much less dakka it can be an interesting tech piece with the advance and disembark but the less wounds, toughness, and no firing deck/command ability make it quite a bit worse imho

@johnpjones1775 10 ай бұрын

Again, it depends on the role. You’re not getting much utility out firing deck for infantry squads, CSTs or Catachans, and if you’re loading it with a HWS to make a gun truck I think you’re probably misusing it. The taurox will be able to more efficiently tackle several different kinds of targets than a chimera. And 4 S9 shots rerolling wounds is a very good thing. Not to mention, they’re 20pts cheaper.

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

@@johnpjones1775 2 special/1 and a heavy weapon is nothing to be laughed to the point that it almost already equals the entirety of the tauroxes firepower... and the chimera has 4 other high rate of fire weapons on top of that as well as a HKM and again you only get 2 twin linked autocannon shots not 4, it's only a single twin autocannon that only has ap 1 at the end of the day so it's quite swingy despite reliably wounding I'd argue that a tougher package with FAR more dakka and a bit less utility is well worth 20 points

@johnpjones1775 10 ай бұрын

So you’re going to waste points and objective capturing to turn a chimera into a gun truck? You’ll be utilizing firing deck for maybe 2 shooting phases, if you use a chimera as an actual transport. But no, a plasma and a melta being added doesn’t really improve the firepower that much. It’s a lot of dakka but it doesn’t effectively engage or counter the same targets as the taurox. And you’re right, I’m still getting used to the new twin linked rules.

@johnpjones1775 10 ай бұрын

Also, smaller profile is easier to hide which makes the taurox even harder to kill than the chimera. Can’t shoot or charge a vehicle you can’t see.

@damienthecadian8164 10 ай бұрын

07 Mordian!

@randomidoit9605 10 ай бұрын

Seems cool! However, It's not NR-N99 Persuader-class Tank Droid Enforcer.

@boboayame2065 10 ай бұрын

No way is there two guys in the turret but only one in the hull

@alpa7973 10 ай бұрын

2 primaris psykers in chimera...

@CB-sf9mx 10 ай бұрын

Gonna have to agree. The taurox gives away Bring it down points too easily.

@itsamemarko494 10 ай бұрын

I think that the only weapon the multilaser is decent against is demons

@Aridanx 10 ай бұрын

Wow, buff storm bolter wtf lol

@TheTobaccoman 10 ай бұрын

I’ve always loved the chimera and think it’s even better this edition so transports stay on the menu boys. It’s still doing what it always has , even better. I’d also say that chimera multi laser could improve , at least I hope so as many of mine have multi laser as it was the only turret option for a long time. So let’s hope they get awesome.

@LifeofSquidMann 10 ай бұрын

Always was the best

@zielisawzielony9366 10 ай бұрын

Orders from chimera with vox sound ok and fluffy, anyone againts is tryhard and propably play knights.

@scottcairns2933 10 ай бұрын

Abilities don’t work while embarked. Check core rules, movement phase, transports

@perpedersen1982 17 күн бұрын

Team Chimera 🎉

@brandonmyers1400 10 ай бұрын

I have always been team chimera ha

@Rusty_Rich 10 ай бұрын

Annoying how you cant even transport a 10 man Cadian Shock squad with the Command Squad attached...

@zielisawzielony9366 10 ай бұрын

How? chimera have 12 seats, command squad have min 4 models.

@Rusty_Rich 10 ай бұрын

@@zielisawzielony9366 because a 10 man Cadian Shock Squad with a 5 man Command squad is 15 models?

@tomasdawe9379 10 ай бұрын

I particularly like the way they increased transport capacities for over vehicles to allow attached characters. Oh well command Stormlord here we come

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

22:00 sadly as per the rules commentary "Units embarked within a Transport do not count as being on the battlefield, This means that, unless explicitly stated otherwise, embarked units cannot do anything (e.g. shoot, fight, use abilities, etc.)" and only the officer MODEL can benefit from the rule exception while all other models in the unit are treated as off the battlefield therefor the master vox wargear ABILITY from that model wouldn't work, it wouldn't matter that he is attached to the unit guard orders are way too restrictive in 10th :( Aside from that the chimera with a squad of your choice is a super valuable mobile objective contester/holder (under the right circumstances) I've found around 2-3 to be the sweet spot for jumping on objectives once the big guns clear the way

@samuelbaldwin2184 10 ай бұрын

For the weapons team in a chimera combo its just better to take a hydra or 3 sentinels every single time. Way cheaper, more attacks, same or greater durability, better abilities.

@MrMaharg79 10 ай бұрын

IM TEAM TRUKK! WAAAAGH!

@brandonalsop1281 10 ай бұрын

Taurox prime imo is better than the chimera, it 5 points more, grants full rerolls and has a higher tier level of weapons a available on a 3+ bs also moves 12”

@operator9858 10 ай бұрын

was thinking that as well but it can only hold scions :(

@PhuzzPhactor 10 ай бұрын

Bump

@chrisroberts313 10 ай бұрын

If they walked they "could" be picked off :) Ahh squishy Guard you will always get picked off... you guard guys that bring infantry just like the desperate attempts amd the following screams of dozens of men sucoming to enermy fire... cruel comanders oh so cruel

@rileyernst9086 10 ай бұрын

Before primarily were cool? You mean they have been doing it forever.

@accalt6519 10 ай бұрын

Are you allowed to take off the laser arrays? Searching online has proven to be inconclusive. I think they look ugly and taking them off will be one step towards making it look like a true APC.

@kye4216 10 ай бұрын

You can model it however you prefer.

@tafnac75 10 ай бұрын

yes, the only thing that would make it better is if it had a vox caster built in and it played " Ride of the Valkyries "

@samuelbaldwin2184 10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately only carrying ten makes it kinda worthless.

@keyanklupacs6333 10 ай бұрын

Toss a cadian squad in it after stickying an objective turn 1 and move them up the board for a flank t3 or t4.

@gankistani9528 10 ай бұрын

they carry 12....

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

just not true... 10 oc2 troops with an oc 2 vehicle is all you need to contest any objective easily as long as you can get them there alive you can even retain control on your turn reliably if you keep them embarked and wipe resistance off the objective, your opponent has to destroy the transport and your squad to prevent this (except if they charge you in some circumstances) 13" effective move in a durable transport vs 2 6" blast vulnerable footslogging squads is a massive difference and they can still make use of the best weapons in the squad on the way there

@samuelbaldwin2184 10 ай бұрын

@@CatharsisChaseron your second point if they blow up the transport with the unit embarked they are battle shocked.

@samuelbaldwin2184 10 ай бұрын

@@gankistani9528would be better if it carried 15-16, not being able to attach a command squad sucks.

@hinti24 10 ай бұрын

@damnationdan5253 10 ай бұрын

I wonder how he will address the “20 man blobs are way better” problem

@CatharsisChaser 10 ай бұрын

because they aren't... blobs are highly overrated and are massive blast fodder chimeras provide much needed speed and protection for your objective holders while also allowing you to still make use of the 2 best weapons in the squad

@joshy7759 10 ай бұрын

Autocannon chimera forever!

@slotracing.digital 10 ай бұрын

Oh dear! Even the Chimera works?! 😂 Some context first: I only play 1000 points matches.. I spammed Artillery with sentinells.. killer! I spammed karskin supported by a shadowsword supported by Master Soil- killer! I spammed sentinells, crushed into melee and brought squads back each time a squad died.. killer! I spammed Kriegs insane infantry supported by Kriegs commander and the great psykers - killer! If I now spam the chimera - guess what!? 😂😂😂😂

@benbaxter1047 10 ай бұрын

Next eat the spam washed down with water and have a long sleep.