Thanks and welcome

Yes, Model T Fords were ( relatively ) their most valuable in the 70s, now 1950s cars are losing their audience

I think you are right. The only pre war car with value seems to be the Austin 7. I look forward to Ford XRs only being worth a couple of thousand!

​1950s cars are better looking than 1980s cars.

@@terrapyn99 Agreed, but it’s what we can relate to, a 1950’s Ferrari is a thing of beauty but for me as a 54 year old bloke I go gaga for a 80’s 308 or Testarossa 😄

@@MX-Mug Iconic brand names like Ferrari, Bentley , Jaguar etc etc will always have a huge following no matter what their age. As a person nearing 60, classic racers / sports cars from the 50's and 60's appeal the most, rather than cars from the 70's that I owned during the 80's.

Looks like its a buyers market at the moment...

Estimates are generally based on the reserve set, which is down to the sellers ambitions. As I said at the end I think sellers need to recalibrate their expectations. Its a buyers market at the moment.

and the auctioneer was not enthusiastic enough.

Caused by greedy people watching TV shows and thinking their cars are worth the same money Also far too many cars have been messed about with and not original or have had poor repairs carried out

@@russthebiker couldn't have put it better

Selling in a declining economy

I think a shed would have been better.

Yeah I had a Maestro as a stop gap while my car was off the road. Probably the worst car I've ever had

You could be right on the C70, there was a 207CC there as well that didn't sell (not really at the right auction IMHO). Maybe classic buyers are being cautious and waiting for the right car to come along?

@@oscarsgarage447 Ford bought Volvo in 1999 and owned them for ten years, along with Jaguar, Land Rover, and Aston Martin. C70, S40, and V50 all used the same platform as the for Focus, and Volvo’s iconic 5 cylinder engine ended up in the ST.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Me too. You could well be right on future values. 20 years ago two stroke motorcycles were worthless, now highly sort after as no longer available.

​@@oscarsgarage447they were never 'worthless' - but the people (like you) who didn't buy them then and can now afford a summer weekend toy are spending money on getting the bike of their dreams.

I was never too keen on the 2 stroke bikes, I had a couple over the years, but I loved the Honda super dreams. I had a few of them back in my younger days. I saw one recently and it brought back so many good memories. I reminded my wife that was the bike we had when we were courting. Happy days

@@hojo9115 my first bike was the CB250T Dream.

Or could be a lack of buyers? They do have two internet bidding options so easy to access on line. I don't know the correct answer though!

@oscarsgarage447 Lack of buyers is down the auction house. They only have three jobs: listing the lots, estimating and attracting bidders. They fell down on the last one.

Agree. Also the Auctioneer made virtually no attempt to 'sell' the cars and just read the catalogue scripts. If I was a seller I would be furious with lack of errort and enthusiasm.

@@martinbernard1052 No, it was already lost at that point. The (right) bidders just hadn't turned up to the auction. The only bidders were dealers hoping to get things really cheap.

​@@martinbernard1052the cars aren't worth more because a bloke in a tie is 'enthusiastic'. 😆

Very true!

Glad you enjoyed it

Think you are right of values, and thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for watching!

Awesome, thank you!

Indeed, the guide prices were akin to full retail whack, for top level cars. With a few exceptions (the '63 Jag), these were average fare, or flawed examples (auto in a BMW, non orig paint, aftermarket mods or just plain scruffy). Cheers!

Where do you think the dealer gets them from?

Why would you not Polish the wolf race wheels too

@@simonw8626 why would you not put the correct wheels on either. Those Wolfrace wheels look terrible

@@Matnrach2-mf9qr I have a feeling the very early ones also first esprit came with wolf race from factory I could be wrong

@@simonw8626 Actually this is the base model 520 could well be. Never seen another early Eclat with these wheels though

@@Matnrach2-mf9qr I looked to buy a 1983 model in late 80s was a beautiful car but got scared of mantance so settled on a starion turbo very similar looking car one I should have kept lol

Thanks! Will see what we can find.

Not very engaging is he, I follow ACA the 2 auctioneers there are great each with their distinctive catch phrases to listen out for which ads some interest!

@@RAW555R The two on ACA are dreadful, The fat old cockney parrots the same old lines on every car whereas the bearded bloke seems only to have 'fill it up' as a strapline. If you think thats great then you need to get out more.

@mgcarmkm4520 right on, that's exactly what I thought he's out of his depth at this auction definitely better suited to bargain hunt.

Agree on the Jag. Up close the Eclat had a few issues, and apparently stuck up headlights can mean a chassis issue - I was told the chassis is used to create the vacuum to hold them down, and so this suggests the chassis isn't air tight...

Unfortunately production deadlines stopped me investigating further... I will have a look. You may well be right with that degree of separation!

Crazy thing is the 1997 C70 doesn't look anything like this one. Also the 1997 was a actual Volvo and the later 2009 one was made by ford and was more or less a ford mondeo with different panels and a volvo badge

Fair point. I think the number of people prepared or able work on their own cars is contributing as well.

Yup, someone pulled me up on that earlier. I was close, but no cigar...

I wouldnt say dripping with rust but I saw some specs from a computer screen in poor lighting !

@@andrewwalls4082. It’s an old Ford. Not a classic car.

It only sold because the one bidder was prepared to bid the reserve.

I did think someone bid early on that one!

@oscarsgarage447 That was to scare off other bidders. We'll never know if it worked, because there were no further bidders 😉

@@johnbriggs3916 Setting the reserve at the right amount is very important. The single bidder might have been happy to pay more, he did jump in early.

@catherinewright8933 The lowball bidding would have been from dealers -- professional time wasters. Most of the bidding was against the reserves -- wasting everyone's time. If you find yourself bidding against one of them they may run you up for the fun of it. Bidding high early will deter them. It's an aggressive move, suggesting you are prepared to go higher, without guaranteeing it. If they bid against you, they may find themselves stuck with it.

Glad you enjoyed it

You are correct (the auction is beyond all data range so have to wing it on my memory banks), however once Proton bought Lotus they sold the M100 design to Kia who then marketed it as the Vigato, mainly sold in Japan. So Proton was in the story, just not at the point I thought...

Thanks Bob. I think we will see the 'project' cars really drop in value if good examples are available for sensible money. I have just bought a classic for a quarter of what someone spent on its restoration...

@@oscarsgarage447 yep, that seems to be how it is Trevor. I watched an immaculate R reg. Aston Martin DB7 go through Mathewsons, it fetched £12,750. It came with receipts for work done by Aston Martin for over £51000, which obviously doesn't account for what the poor guy paid for the car originally, he'd owned it for about 10 years I think. He must have been sick as a parrot!

@@bobfrankish8883 IF THAT E 30 WAS A MANUAL IT WAOULD OF SOLD

Been repainted in a different colour ! Original colour schemes always hold car values

@@davidthomas8317 I'm looking for a more modern BMW than an E30, but still an old one... most are autos and manual is a must for me.

Hopefully... Because it's those speculating Barstewards that drove the prices through the roof !.. And all to sit in a bloody heated garage and gather dust ... Get it up them 😄

​@@AA-69🤔 Not true, I think you are greatly generalizing in your comment. Not all of us buyers at these classic car auction houses are like that at all !...

Yes, I believe I saw an article in one of the classic weeklies that said it didn't affect working on older cars.

🤥 Only if you trust what government politicians say they are going to do. And I myself do not trust any of them ! ⚠..

You could well be right. Market was strong during covid and now people are selling those cars more sensible market rates.

The paintwork looked like a patchwork quilt - so many different coloured panels!!

Plus the white wall tyres, any potential purchaser is factoring in putting sensible rubber on it. I only watched this video, not looked at the lots online but I could see rust on the rear wheel arch quite clearly so probably more elsewhere.

Damn good spot sir!!! Now I have re-read the sign it just states another C70 appeared in the film. A red one... There is tenuous, then there is this!!!

@@oscarsgarage447 : Bunch of Ham Shankers, it's not even the same gen C70, it's like trying to flog every single Capri on sale by saying it starred in The Professionals... 😁

Good point that I answered in an earlier comment. I didn't do my due diligence on that claim...

@@oscarsgarage447 I see. Stranger claims have been made elsewhere. I think it all makes my car worth about 50p.

Buyers premium is 12.5% plus VAT, so 15% in total.

Actually in the case of many 'analogue' types of injection systems like Bosch D or L and carburettor induction and distributor ignition systems it's often easier and better to throw it all out and replace it with modern engine management and distributorless ignition systems. Definitely in the case of the Jaguar V12 systems varying from the old Lucas Bosch knock offs to the even more difficult if not impossible to source Zyteck system. Its major engine and suspension components and even proper factory spec steel brake pipes which are the main problems. Even in the case of 1980's Jaguars numerous important parts are no longer available to the point where they sold off stocks of new V12 engine blocks as coffee tables.For an engine in which the slightest overheat typicially scraps the aluminium block by destroying main bearing and cylinder deck alignment. The problems of parts support for classics can't be underestimated.

@@confederatenationalist7283 Indeed, Harry Metcalfe had the injection system on his V12 XJC changed to a modern system, but is was very expensive, which is the point I was making.

​​@@nearlythere9443 Similar to mine although Harry also had to sink a tonne of cash in serious bodywork restoration. Which also shows the problem of maintaining classics v collapsing values.The numbers don't/won't add up to the point where buying and running a few years old F Pace SVR makes more sense if can put up with the auto box but has the advantage of speed limiter technology just set the max and have fun reaching it as fast as want with bit better fuel consumption as a bonus. Falling classic values can be a double edged sword and can't see much future without a Euro wide fuel tax relief system and much better factory classic parts back up including body shells and major body panel sections.

Very true

Don't think it sold, est was £11 to 12k. Project one sold for £1800

@@oscarsgarage447 OK, thanks

Think they are already doing well, think the early noughties stuff will be the one to watch next.

Yep, they are already off and running, for desireable stuff (check out the money early Supra's and other Jap sports/hot hatches are bringing) for last 5 - 10 years ish, and the more regular/everyday stuff will follow to some extent. I'm going the other way, I love my '80's & '90's stuff, but over the next 5 - 10 years will be looking for a couple of '40's & '50's bargains (Citroen Traction Avant, and a '50's Americana gem (Buick Roadmaster or similar), which are sure to come, to supplement my other '80's/90's desires. Cheers!

It depends on what sellers want to sell I guess?

BMW is foreign

I think it made about what I would expect...IMHO it's a GBP20-25k car. Cheers!

Eclat has never had any desireability

Everyday is a schoolday...

@@oscarsgarage447 What?

Like Silvio Burlesconie?

@@oscarsgarage447 No

To be fair I have seen them at least advertise on Car and Classic website and also in one of the Classic weeklies.

​@@oscarsgarage447they also list on The Saleroom.

Only if a deal was done after the auction. I think it was some way short of the reserve.

Yeah that's really off putting isn't it never seen that before, should have raised his voice if he didn't like the hubbub

It does get a bit noisy in the hall at Haynes museum when the crowd are muttering.

Ah, you spotted that...

Looks like he has put a few away 😂

Still a lot better than that bloke from the container auction series on tv!

To be fair, a lot of us go no where near ULEZ...

​@@oscarsgarage447 the all country will become ULEZ they want us all driving EVs

I think that is part of it.

Twas the Best Of British. Allegedly.

Didn't sell though.

There was a bit of rust on top of the passenger door otherwise it looked good.

@@oscarsgarage447 very cheap then

@@dominicedwards9117been off the road and mileage discrepancy

Not on my watch...

Bottom falls out of an ev afer 3 years Ice conversions will be the only saviour for them

Good point!

The 70's and 80's cars keep their value because they are largely bought by more mature people ,who are at a stage in their lives that they have both greater disposable income and savings.

Fast Fords from the 70s and 80s are doing well still...

@@oscarsgarage447 thats tue .. but are escorts appreciating now as much as later fords.

@@jjefferyworboys8138 i would say that is done especially for the 70s cars they have had full appreciation, that generation is looking to sell their cars but the next generation wont want them

I think you are right, at the moment it definitely is. I think sellers may need to recalibrate their expectations.

@@oscarsgarage447 less people with spare cash.

It's an opportunity to trade up and buy the car you thought you could never afford.

That auctioneer is definitely painful to watch.

Most didn't sell because the buyers didn't turn up.

It was of its time... remember the TR7, now that was a wedge!

I think the skill set of working on your own vehicles is dying off.

grow up

@@sg-yq8pm Not keen on his spelling (😉 ) but he may have a point.

Interestingly a friend of mine bought it, hoping to do a video on it as the Cabrio is quite rare now.

@@oscarsgarage447 It was always rare. Strange in fact thar Rover made it at all but they sure didnt make many.

Old rubbish is far better than new rubbish

@@mikeolly67 it’s just old scrap. Get a life.

@@bolshevikproductions I’ve got one already. Are you a 10 year old?

@@mikeolly67 you’ve got some old banger ? Everyone an expert since social media 😂

@@bolshevikproductions are you a Russian with a chip on your shoulder?