Is The Copper In Liquid Fertilizers Safe For Shrimp And Invertebrates?

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5 жыл бұрын

**UPDATE** As Billy Mitchell astutely pointed out in the comments, "chelated" is pronounced "key-lated." Please excuse my pronunciation in the video. I was clearly focused elsewhere that day in chemistry class. Thank you for the correction, Billy!
Folks, I get a question often enough on the channel I thought it was worth a quick video: Is the copper in liquid fertilizers safe for shrimp and invertebrates?
In this video we are going to answer whether the copper in liquid fertilizers are safe for shrimp and invertebrates and a little about the relationship between shrimp and copper.
Hope this video is helpful!
Keep tankin!
Mike

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@mountainhobbit1971 5 жыл бұрын

I have been using Seachem's Trace in my neocaridina shrimp tank for over a year now with zero issues...it contains 0.0032% copper. My nerite snails have been totally fine too. Like you said, make sure to follow the proper dosing for your tank and you will be fine. Doing your research really pays off and this video will help many people out there with their copper shrimp/snail concerns. Great video!

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Sean - appreciate the kind words and thank you for the reinforcement! Yep, absolutely right....not enough copper in Trace to be harmful. I do hope the video helps some folks...there still seems to be a lot of confusion out there about the topic

@2009survey 4 жыл бұрын

Straight to the point but detailed at the same time. Just what I was looking for. Thank you 🙏🏻

@dmichaelsfishden 4 жыл бұрын

Martin - my pleasure! Glad it was helpful to you!

@andresgil1449 3 ай бұрын

Bro thank you some much for this info! I was always worried about this you gave me peace of mind!

@BlackNo1918 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! Altough I knew most of this stuff...still very informative, funny, nicely done!Brandy says "Hello Foodman!"Keep them videos coming!

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

BlackNo1918 - good to hear from you! Lol - tell Brandy I said hello and more videos on the way, my friend!

@jakescot7850 5 ай бұрын

A well done video, exactly the content I was searching for. I had loss issues with shrimp and had been dosing Seachem exclusively. All my plants were epiphites, (a tank thick with them), so water column dosing was all I did. While overdosing may still have been the culprit, I was never quite sure. Thanks for the research. And the lead on a 0 copper fert. I'll feel safer with the copper component added to the food... and NOT the water.

@Kat-hs2ij 5 жыл бұрын

Was looking for some answers about this yesterday, so thank u 🐟

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, Novel!

@anthonyragan2696 5 жыл бұрын

Another handy video. This has quickly become one of my favorite channels on KZfaq. And I had no idea shrimp relied on copper for blood replacement. Doesn't that make them little Vulcans?

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Anthony - very gracious of you, especially considering all the great channels out there. Thank you for such kind words. Glad the channel has been helpful and enjoyable! Lol - I think that does make shrimp mini Vulcans - good call! They sure do need a tiny bit of that good 'ol copper. Hope you are well, my friend, and staying dry down south!

@billymitchell5975 5 жыл бұрын

Great info. At the expense of betraying my nerdiness, 'chelated' is pronounced 'key-lated'. Cheers

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Billy - THANK YOU for the correction! Now, after you mentioned that, I remember back from college science class it absolutely is "key-lated"- how right you are. I'm going to amend the comments so folks can see that. Never betray your nerdiness - always welcome here!

@vladislavpetkov229 4 жыл бұрын

Such a good video , it deserves more views

@dmichaelsfishden 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind words! Really appreciate that. Maybe the video is a "late bloomer" and will catch on more.... eventually. I'm just glad its been helpful to some folks!

@AussieAquatic 5 жыл бұрын

I have been dosing garden supply Trace Elements in my aquariums for the past 2 years now, with a moderately high Copper %. Red Cherry shrimp in my tanks are totally unaffected and are taking over both tanks. Super Video Mike and (I've always pronounced Chelated with a Chee myself)……...LOL :)

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words as always, Colin! Guess we both learned a little pronunciation lesson there....lol. It was good to know for the future! Hope all is great, my friend!

@JJones-rz2ir Жыл бұрын

I believe it’s “kee-lated”, not chelated. ;). That said, that organic chemistry knowledge about chelation isnt saving my fish . Thanks!

@wandaoshiro2014 5 жыл бұрын

👍Well done video Michael! Mahalo or thank you for this video, pointing out the amount of copper in liquid fertilizers & that Thrive S is an option. Also thanks for letting people know how important for shrimps to have some copper in their shrimp diet. 😄

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Wanda - Mahalo! Thank you and good to hear from you! I remembered your comment about the Thrive S from another video, so I thought this would be the perfect video to work in it 😉 Hope all is well in paradise!

@wandaoshiro2014 5 жыл бұрын

@@dmichaelsfishden Mahalo Michael, this is the perfect video for people with invertebrates! All is well in Hawaii. 😉🌴🐚🍤

@huyquoctran2088 5 жыл бұрын

Flourish excel yes. Either under dose or exact dosage. Its not necessary to dose fertilizer if you keep only low light tanks but for those who do , you dont really need to worry if you follow instructions. I does both flourish fertilizer and flourish excel. Non of my snails or 400+ red sakura shrimp died. Either under dose it or follow exact dosage. The flourish fertilizer have really low copper content 0.0001 % copper , not much but too much will kill all the invertebrates. I have a lot of plants so i need to dose fertilizer and excel, but I always under dose it and from time to time i follow instructions.

@heatherleelovejoy9690 4 жыл бұрын

john tran I just bought Flourish and excel, I have a low planted tank but my plants are struggling, and I’m starting to get algae, how do you use these 2 products together ?

@rods1597 5 жыл бұрын

Very informative. I guess I also missed my chemistry class the day they mentioned how to pronounce chelated.

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Lol - guess we both missed that class, Rod. That was interesting to learn 👍

@andresgil1449 3 ай бұрын

Had a dude in a video pretty much say you will have to tear down the walls of your house and strip the copper pipes out bc that’s what secretly killing your shrimp lol

@fncsp8466 3 жыл бұрын

if i use thrive c with shrimp in a heavily planted low tech 17 gallon, can I still do my regular 20% weekly water change?

@pauljohnson4786 3 жыл бұрын

What about flourish root tabs in the substrate of a five gallon NANO with cherry shrimp?

@cdropbox 2 жыл бұрын

so coooooooooollll!!!!!

@VStag 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome Video Thanks for sharing FishFam NJAE19

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, V. Stag!

@jamesdockery7806 5 жыл бұрын

If my shrimp tank was exposed to copper (which killed by cherry shrimp), can I add shrimp back to this planted tank in the future.

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

James - a really good question. Yes, you can, and you shouldn't have any issues as long as the tank is cleaned out really, really well. I would use vinegar to clean it, and if it was me, to be safe, I'd probably clean it exceptionally well 7 or 8 times. Copper can still leach out of the silicone over time but it's not usually enough to be harmful. Another suggestion - you can buy a copper test kit (API makes one) to monitor copper levels. If it was me, after cleaning the tank, I would fill it, just bare bottom, and would test the copper levels for a week to see if there are any traces. If you aren't showing much for copper readings, you should be good to add shrimp back in. Hope that helps!

@siddiqiqbal1401 2 жыл бұрын

Im using liquid fertiliser 0.0003% copper is it ok?

@keggerous 5 жыл бұрын

I have copper pipes and I need a cheap way to test for copper in my water. Anyone know a way that is not going to bust my bank account open?

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

keggerous - API has a copper test kit you can use: www.amazon.com/API-COPPER-90-Test-Aquarium-Water/dp/B0006JDWH8 I have copper pipes as well and all my aquarium water is from the tap. No issues at all - if you are worried about residual copper coming from the pipes, if there is any at all (it does depend on what kind of copper pipes - hopefully it isn't super cheap copper) the amount is so tiny it won't harm any of your fish or inverts. 👍Hope that helps!

@marcusbabcock458 4 жыл бұрын

So technically the liquid fertiliser would be beneficial towards the fish in your aquarium in the sense of preventing ich and other parasites?!?

@dmichaelsfishden 4 жыл бұрын

Marcus - great question. The amount in liquid fertilizer is really small, so I don't believe it would have much of an effect on preventing parasites, though it could be possible. I don't want to rule it out completely. But you'll find that in copper based meds designed to get parasites, the copper concentration is much higher. As a comparison, Coppersafe, which is a Fritz/MArdel copper parasite medication, has a 2.2% concentration of chelated copper sulfate. NilocG's THIRVE C, has 0.0001% copper concentration, which is a big difference - and it is that way for a reason in the ferts. You want to be able to safely dose them without the copper affecting any snails, shrimp, or fish. But it still does provide some of the copper plants need. So while it may be possible ferts could prevent ich or parasites in some way, it would be probably be a pretty small effect, but again, technically it could be possible....That being said, more important is to keep your fish's slime coat in great shape, which is like their armor/immune system that helps fend off ich and other parasites..Great question! Hope that helps a bit! 👍

@DebsInManchesterUK 5 жыл бұрын

That great thanks I was not sure I just bought some shrimp they have plants in the tank but I would not put the fert in I was scared I just put the fert in my betta tanks with plants I will start to add a few drops to the tank with the shrimp in How is patriot doing these days

@dmichaelsfishden 5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, Debbie! Yep, go for it! Perfectly safe! Patriot is great - he has been bugging me quite a bit and is a little miffed he hasn't been in a video for a few months, especially since he has been practicing lines non-stop...so I think he will be making an appearance soon 😉

@gem9535 4 жыл бұрын

I saw copper sulfate in my betta fish food, and I freaked out! Like, can I feed these to my shrimp? Will the betta's poop poison my shrimp? Like, dang, science!

@dmichaelsfishden 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Gem - you'll be perfectly safe. The percentage of copper in fish food isn't toxic to the shrimp, who even need some copper in their diet which is why very tiny amounts of copper are in shrimp food. And who said science isn't fun 🤷‍♂️😀