Kalbee going of topic every single times because he knows the crufiction is conjecture 😂😂😂
@bricemakes1180Ай бұрын
At the beginning, he tried to control the narrative of what Albee can or cannot do. He knew that he would lose if that was the case. If he can use the Bible and distort it to fit his narrative then why not use the Quran to show that he is wrong. Majority of his talking points are critiques on the authenticity of the Bible, and not addressing the crucifixion. Then he wanted, Albee to address his talking points on the reliability of the Bible regarding the New Testament. When that’s not the topic. Plus, it’s easy to bring up so many assertions and it’s hard to address many of those assertions within a certain time. So that’s unrealistic Muslims often times will stray away from topics so you will address what they want and not stay on topic what is needed to be addressed. Relying on scholarship is kind of weak times, because the scholars don’t agree with each other at times. What Emenin tried to do as tear down the reliability of the gospels and the New Testament. To try to disprove the crucifixion from the Bible. The problem with that is, he’s not proving how it’s not true. Most scholarship would disagree with him on the crucification topic. Plus, he lied about the authenticity of the gospels which most of his points can easily be disproven with internal external and artifact evidence. Relying on scholarship is kind of weak times, because the scholars don’t agree with each other at times. What Emenin tried to do as tear down the reliability of the gospels and the New Testament. To try to disprove the crucifixion from the Bible. The problem with that is, he’s not proving how it’s not true. Most scholarship would disagree with him on the crucification topic. Plus, he lied about the authenticity of the gospels which most of his points can easily be disproven with internal external and artifact evidence. He kept appealing to gnostic sources that hold no weight and aren’t taken seriously. He is trying to make them historically accurate. If that’s the case he would also have to conclude that Jesus is God as well. Can’t cherry pick. My last comment: Godlogic was correct that he is arguing like a Athiest. He is bound to the historical statements of the Quran. Attempting to tear down the Bible doesn’t get rid of his Delima. The Bible still stands to be true and as he admitted. The majority consensus is that majority of historians believe the crucifixion happened.
@sasa_sasa_sasa230Ай бұрын
Actually he just quoted and probably even distorted opinions of the scholars who oppose on authenticity or dating of the Gospels. Albee did good job not to running to answer all hos robish. What he could do is make his point of the scholars and quoted list of 20 modern liberal scholars who agreed on authenticity of the historicity of the Gospels. And also quoted just short two academic pages or libraries that said what most liberal scholars said.
@bricemakes1180Ай бұрын
@@sasa_sasa_sasa230I know the dating to the Gospel are much earlier than what he is saying. I wish Albee would have expounded on that lie that he was trying to push. It’s easily refuted in many ways. The next thing it’s weird to quote liberal scholars that are not taken seriously and are easily refuted. He just either miss used the liberal scholars or just quoted there commentary. With no line of reasoning for most of the things he was putting out. He didn’t really deal with the actually crucification, but attempted to attack the integrity of the Bible. Another thing. If M&M can attack the integrity of the Bible which is which is off topic. Why can’t Albee attack the integrity of the Beliefs of the Quran? Which make historical claims.
@sasa_sasa_sasa230Ай бұрын
@@bricemakes1180 actually that's the point, Albee should bring bunch, concensus of scholars that Gnostic writings are fabrication and lie 🤥 and appealing on them and in the same tome on history and text criticism is suicide. 😂
@remalaka2788Ай бұрын
well done albi . You made him confess that they are a continuation from gnostism at one point. Wow .. All they do is gish gallop and expect you to answer. I would have declared victory when he admitted his book is not a history book. God bless bro
@calledtoserve729Ай бұрын
Excellent Work Brother Albee, you gave it to him like he lives. Glory to the Trinue God Father Son and Holy Spirit.
@davida3343Ай бұрын
Next debate is waraqah ibn nawfal founder of Islam
@BruceWaynee.Ай бұрын
💀
@josesantiago8666Ай бұрын
Brilliant!! How did Waraqah know it was Gabriel with mahammed wanting to committe suicide.
@Michael-fq5geАй бұрын
Albee clear win amen
@Theosis_EOАй бұрын
Great stuff dude
@BruceWaynee.Ай бұрын
Albee don’t ever use the Quran for historical use it’s stupid (and i quote m&m ) 💀
@MrSimpogeАй бұрын
Why do they always treat “alllah” as a name? It’s a title, not a name. They don’t know the name of their god. We do, it’s Satan/hubal
@MrBeastjebuzАй бұрын
Actually, maybe allah is supposed to be the name. Al ilah shorten makes allah for some reason ilah is the word for God in Arabic. Allah has been thought of as the official title due to islame. They even say allah is the only ilah or something like that
@MrSimpogeАй бұрын
@@MrBeastjebuz it’s not. They don’t know who their god is. But we do. It’s hubal/satan. Hubal was called Allah. All they say is there is no god but God. They don’t know which god that is. They say their God’s name is God. Likes saying my dog’s name is dog
@rramos7488Ай бұрын
Debate starts at 20:15
@DJRoll15Ай бұрын
Eminem….”to use it (the Quran) as history would be dumb..)” 1:54:00
@abadirabdo10Ай бұрын
"Genre of revelation "
@Zephaniah2Ай бұрын
All Ham To Allah
@mariongranbruheim4090Ай бұрын
This was fun! 👏🏻😄
@zechariahbalan5550Ай бұрын
Circumcised your ears hahahahaha😂😂😂 dude you own him
@briankim8139Ай бұрын
Bro the muslims opening was literally restarted. muslim: don’t use the Bible Also muslim: Proceeds to use the Bible
@jmlx.m5611Ай бұрын
Em crucified him 😂😂
@SultanFinnadАй бұрын
He'll nah
@Catchmydrift372Ай бұрын
Your boy got baked 😂😂😂 Allah is running from sam shamoun
@MrSimpogeАй бұрын
2:12:53 good job. He appeared to gnostic writings which we reject then has a problem Muslims who believe Jesus was crucified
@KakeshiiАй бұрын
history doesnt care about theology lmao, its history...
@MrSimpogeАй бұрын
@@Kakeshii exactly. History says Jesus was crucified. Thanks
@Gonefishinagain7Ай бұрын
How do I get the discord
@MyLife-ux1vsАй бұрын
You guys are delusional if you think albee won this debate. As an objective outsider, with all due respect, Albee got his ass kicked. The debate topic was crucifixion and the other guy even said in his opening abd many times over that going to the quran can't help you, and yet Albee kept going to quran to prove crucifixion. And as far as I can member Albee couldn't give 1 external source besides Paul who can attest to the crucifixion. And to top it off Albee admitted that the earliest source for any attestation to the 4 gospels was Ironeus in 185 AD. And I won't even mention the scholarly work the other guy cited when he asked for 1 source who agreed with him and named like 5 or 10 sources, some of whom I know as well who are considered the foremost experts in textual criticism. Over all, Albee wasn't prepared and god demolished. But the sad part is his Christian fan boys are here cheering him on. Con guys grow some balls and tell him the truth so next time he can be better prepared or not debate him ever again. This was flat out embarrassing. I ve even seen on tiktok where Christians were discussing how bad albee was going to do on the debate and were praying that albee doesn't get destroyed. And I ve heard Christians discuss why albee tool the debate in the first place etc. I think all this debate did was bring to light the fact that the early Christian history doesn't support your current theology. And the worst part was from a historical perspective when the other guy was showing him evidence that there were sects that didn't believe in the trinity Albee kept dismissing them by saying they were heretics. The whole point of presenting evidence is to establish the historical account of what happened... the fact that those groups were later called heretics by the church simply shows that the church simply picked a narrative that they wanted to push and everyone that existed that had contrary opinion was pushed aside. But that is exactly the point... the debate was was there evidence for crucifixion and when someone shows u evidence that there was no crucifixion you or anyone calling them heretics simply means that any evidence anyone brings Albee would just dismiss it as heretics ..if that's the case why not just come out and claim it.. Just say that you do t care about what the evidence shows, we want to believe in crucifixion and we don't care about what the evidence shows. IN ANY CASE, I hope Christians start being honest with their scholarship and go wherever the truth takes them.. and if the evidence shatters their theology then they should rethink their position... that is better than living a lie. All just my humble opinion
@jakeyu-me2lcАй бұрын
All due respect, i object this. Reason why is because he pointed out to gnostic gospels to prove his point which is literally like a chicken defending KFC, which you wouldn't know but oh well. And I fact checked everything that Eminem brought up... All of which has objections due to other scholarly reports that concluded that this is a weak argument, Eminem got his butt handed too him when he brought up Astronomy to prove his arguments to be valid. Secondly 3rd of his sources has other pages where in the books it literally says word for word, ''Jesus did infact died as a historical fact.'' Simon has some what of historical biography around his dating, and it shows proof that Simon lived 50 years after the cruxifction!!!!. If Simion didn't die then who did? who fits that narrative hm? Jesus does!!!.
@jakeyu-me2lcАй бұрын
Also to point out, all of the so called forgeries have been debunked by Dr Wallace. Not just that but all of our manuscripts fit the same narrative to the one we have right now, making it historical accurate and that's facts. Fun fact 100% of the bible we have today, fits our manuscripts we have over 50,000 greek manuscripts and so many textual variants. Which disagree with his arguments. and just that being said, I seen two of my muslim friends lose faith in Eminems arguments after the debate had finished. Stay safe, stay away from Islam.
@tinytechgeekАй бұрын
SZ
@CentralDawah23Ай бұрын
Eminem ended albees career 😂
@MrSimpogeАй бұрын
And Jesus, your God, ended Muhammad’s life. Glory to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit
@qnice2913Ай бұрын
We wasn’t watching the same debate🤣🤝🤝. Eminem your best guy??? Lmaooo
@zechariahbalan5550Ай бұрын
Ask you boyfriend to learn the debate format 😂😂 Albee ended your career thru Eminem 😂😂😂
@Melohana-kb5dcАй бұрын
Central you are a walking humiliation ritual you know that right?😂
@NocubicodostunezasАй бұрын
Your guy said the Quran is not a historical fact 😂😂 he admitted that the Quran is just a multiple papers