Lol. I remember buying a beezlemon advanced deck set which was 30 dollars, which is like 5-10 dollars more expensive than online listings, and getting the alt art beezlemon in there

Shinegreymon Ruin Mode is actually the most expensive single card period in digimon (excluding nongameplay things like special art prints altarts etc...)

Sorry I forgot about deathxmon and Rina. Besides these 2 its the most expensive.

Surely there are no single meta yugioh cards that are worth whole digimon decks. Now to take a big sip of water

exactly the reason why i switched to this game.@@apezplays9925

@@apezplays9925lets take a staple like pot of prosperity thats played in most decks meta or otherwise 33-35$ with 3 copies makes it about 100$ alone plus shipping or buying from multiple sellers and im not even adding extra deck staples, handtraps and side deck so yah you can probably buy 2 digimon meta decks for 1 yugioh meta deck unless you already don’t have relevant staples

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This happened to me xD I even added the Party Magnamon xD

Tf u smokin mate? Ygo deck is way cheaper than your digimon cards, especially in OCG

​@@PandaHero-yi8pq In what universe, a bunch of booger encrusted blue-eyes are of course going to be cheaper than a foiled out Digimon deck, but things like Kashtira and Release Nekroz averaging 500-1000 dollars is a different story.

@@skeletingking And some decks go for 2k dollars in YGO. >.>; Since some of those prize cards are freaking expensive as hell. lol

When Nekroz first dropped in yugioh, Brionac was a mandatory 3 of as one of the decks primary searchers and was going for $230 a pop. In modern yugioh S:P Little Knight is currently $130ish. The rarity locks get absolutely insane and I wish the yugioh TCG would adopt the OCG rarity scheme for packs.

Same here. I actually have 7 decks in digimon as of now, with mtg I never really had more than 3 at a given time, and was always selling out of when I wanted something new. It's nice just to keep stuff I like.

​@@JohnDoe-zx1ck I have 11 built decks with an 12th close to finished, compared to my 3 yugioh decks.

​@@sirspookybones1118 Try 14.

@@LordFinkenstein I have 12 built and 2 close to done, so I'm about to hit 14 playable

Magic is eating itself alive, and given how they've trashed their own game, I'm here for it

That’s some great value.

I like the $20 usage at the end

I managed to make a pretty great beginner deck to start for under $12. You literally can’t get an easier entry point

Didn't used to be tho that's for sure

Nothing to do with the target audience, the average pokemon player is older than the average Yugi, digimon and one piece player. Is not the audience, is the massive separation between the competitive and the collector market. The overlap between both worlds in Pokemon is really small, with very few chase cards being relevant for the meta, the league decks are the best value per dollar of any product aimed at competitlve in out of any other TCG. Bar none, you can grab 2 league decks, combine them and you can get a top 8 in regionals.

Konami is more of an Anti-West Comsumer Practices type of company. lol Why else would there be a slogan as Fuck Konami?

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Thank you for that explanation!

@@TasteOfVictory no problem. I've been playing Magic (to some degree) for like 14 years now, but I've really been enjoying Digimon (D-Brigade cards arrived in the mail today, actually)

Our shorthand explanation for modern always tied back into 'all the cards with a modern border printing' as the change from the original card frames to those basicly still used today in mtg Happened during the oldest modern legal sets iirc.

@@maximilianschug6271 yes, it coincides with the new frame style beginning in 8th edition, which was about 8 years old when Modern began in 2011

@@andrewsheiman8574 Fascinating, always good to know history on the oldest card game ever. Even if I didn't even play it and only played competitive YGO once, but I got annihilated by Chaos Emperor Dragon + Yata-garasu. >.>

Luckily, deathx at least rotates in and out of being needed funny enough. But pour one out for Ulforce players tho RIP.

@@TasteOfVictory Ulforce getting support in BT11 was a blessing and a curse. Congrats, they got a great piece of support, but it’s a SEC and now the deck is around 200 bucks to build, and it’s barely a tier 2 deck.

@@FabschOblivion669 that wasnt support it was a new deck. rina is the deck everything is build around her bt11 ulforce sets her up and ulforce x will win the game thanks to her. if she would have been support it would have synergized with the older ulforce cards but they just simply arent viable with her.

And Mastemon

@@Gorn21 If that’s the case then Greymon has like 4 different decks.

100% agree. As a person still playing Yugioh, I will always despise how bad the TCG rarity system is and what it does for prices. I'm still getting into Digimon, but I picked up a barebones Leopardmon core for what would maybe be the price of a single mediocre secret rare in yugioh. Aside from secret rares, promos are about the only thing that gets as pricey as Yugioh, but it doesn't seem terrible. The only issue now is finding places to play. Digimon isn't as well supported where I am, but I can at least wrangle some friends with Yugioh.

I only watch people play YGO now since even making a deck in Master Duel or Duel Links is expensive. There are 3rd party sites that let you make decks with all the cards sure but I just wamna play casually with stupid decks and I find people w meta or insanely optimal decks. Saving grace is that in those 3rd party sites sometimes the players can't pilot their deck as well since they're trying stuff out too

​@@bugking1413even with the promos 9 times out of ten they are reprints of other cards.

@@mesiagamer5217 I think it depends which promos you're looking at. There's been a lot of promos that are alt art reprints, but I'm thinking of cards that debut as promos. I remember trying to get into the game with Grandiskuwagamon, but there were the Palmon and Okuwamon promos that got pretty expensive when added up. Or even earlier when Diaboromon got a promo that was 40+ bucks for a while. They've been better about it so it's not really as bad of an issue now as it was prior.

On top of that, vintage is the magic format with the biggest card pool and the average deck price is comparable to a mortgage.

No structure deck competes at a rogue level in tournaments without heavy investment into either staples, upgrading the structure or most likely both. The archetypes themselves might be rogue but they are not competing at that level at all straight out of the structure deck. Sure yugioh can feel cheap after you’ve spent hundreds on staples but like, even common rarities of staple cards that have like 15 printings are $5+ more often than not when they’re relevant. God forbid there’s a generic extra deck card like accesscode or apollousa that were like $150 a copy at times.

Tell that to those nostalgia bait Structure decks like the Egyptian God and the Blue-eyes re-release...

@@V-Jes I said almost all, and we don't even know what s in the new structure deck dark magician/blue-eyes yet so i wouldn't judge them

The card frames of Magic cards were also changed in 1995. The tap symbol and other icons were modified slightly as well.

I started with a group of two friends and now there's like eight at our store who started after seeing us. I only have one deck from a starter pack, the worst rated one and slowest, and I wiped the floor with theone top rated here. it's amazing what a few changes will do to a shit deck. it's all about playing with the costs and seeing how much you can afford to attack

My LGS has digimon tournaments every Tuesday, there isn't a single deck that goes unplayed because you can just shove new utilities into whatever deck you want and still keep up with the meta Obviously the guy who dumps $2000 into his deck will do better, but I've seen tons of different decks compete on a competitive level

the thing is, yugioh top decks where always expensive, sine most important cards of an archtype where secrets and or short printed, but past 2 years we had a combination of all good cads are secret, short prints, no reprints and when the reprint is short printed, all important staples getting a reprint just now, but we have the next 100€ per card stapple rn, and a yes staples veryone has to run in extra or main being expensve. so you could pick a 30 € deck and still come to 400€ at the end. And just rn a extra deck card released everyone has to play or he basicallay looses before the game starts thats you gussed it 100+€ rn. meanwhile yugioh in the ocg( japan usw) is basically on the digimon to pokemon pricing for a deck. The west is just getting milked, thats why many of my friends changed to master duell and online only. Every time som defines the meta its secret rare/ you get only 2 secrets per box, and then they fill the spots with trash to som, so you have secrets that cost 1 € to 120€ in the same set.

In that same exact vein, the deck is just about "on it's way out" with fears of banlist hits killing the deck. Yes, the staples are what front the majority of the deck, but if you want to play a top deck for the maximum amount of time, you have to buy it ASAP. Most meta cores are very high rarity by default (See Kashtira, even high rogue like Vanquish Soul) and they only go down in price once everybody has the deck, by the time that happens there's a banlist or there's a new set that creeps everything again.

Economicamente falando isso é ruim pra quem pagou caro na primeira leva de impressão nas cartas, pois ao tentar recuperar o dinheiro investido não terá o mesmo retorno. E também é ruim competitivamente porque quem for entrar no competitivo pela reimpressão o deck não terá a mesma força do início podendo até mesmo estar jogando com um baralho defasado.

We have Pioneer now. Which is basically standard+

@@Darkrei2 pioneer rotates?

@@AndrewCrimefighter It doesn't. I guess they called it "standard+" because it is a smaller card pool than modern, but that feels unfair because at the point pioneer was made, the card pool was roughly the same age as modern's when that was created.

Literally my problem rn, lol. Bushiroad keeps making "essential" cards for decks into promos and the secondary market keeps putting them up for absurd prices. Cards that, even taking performance into account, could be like $15 max...are put up at like $30-70 and you need 4. I seem to recall that Bushiroad told people that they'd stop doing this due to player commentary, but they haven't.

MTGGoldfish's metagame tracker doesn't look at Arena results unless they were part of a traditionally structured best of three tournament, so that's not really correct. That said, RDW's metagame share is still probably a little over-represented due to it being both good and VERY cheap on MTGO

Sorry but Branded hasnt been top 3 since Tear

That's actually crazy you asked this today lmaoooo!

​@@TasteOfVictoryLMAO NO WAY

Late swsh is like the most expensive time period i can think of in recent memory 💀

That definitely was an annoying issue at the start. The game has gotten a lot better about it. Shinegreymon, Blackwargreymon, and Beelzemon just for an example have been good for like 5 sets now. Decks that do still get occasionally power creeped out usually come back within like a set too like Ulforce or D-Brigade.

this is true for all card games actually. in ygo the meta is formed between decks that win fast and decks made to beat that win. for example: Oh the meta is Tearlament that uses graveyard a lot? going to play a deck that banishes everything before hitting the grave so they can't play.

You got something wrong... its actually "cheaper that any starter deck" 😁

curious but what makes the exo3 dragon deck a good matchup against shinegrey? I built it for fun a while ago but never used it

"(maybe not sukamon)" yet. maybe not sukamon [yet]. as a recently new player to digimon (and TCG's in general) i've been eyeing all the future support and my is it looking good.

figure I'll add on to this, usually when it is expensive it's because it's also using some meta warping card that all the other decks are, at least keeping with standard it does stay pretty cheap other formats (Modern, Legacy, Vintage) while still cheaper than most of the other decks is still, in comparison to itself, quite a bit more but that comes with better cards for the strategy

FWIW Wizards actually just increased its rotation period to 3 years for exactly that reason, going up from 2 years. The most recent set released this month is the first set released after this change, and won’t be rotated out until September 2026. The oldest set in standard (released sep 2021) wont rotate out until next year, and the 2022 sets the year after.

It's card pool starts with the introduction of the modern card frame. If we get a full card frame redesign (and not just the minor redesign from M15), then the format name will lose all meaning.

Scalpers unfortunately looking to take advantage of the Disney brand. What's cool though is that Ravensburger already confirmed they're going to print more cards so you'll get your chance soon 😁

Also, I know a lot of this is based on TCG Player, but as someone who more or less trades to get their decks, I've actually spent less for Shine AND BWG because of my box pulls, tournament wins and etc. If you are active in Digimon, costs actually get cheaper if you got a healthy community and tournament scene.

Side side note; BlueFlare is currently topping on the US side along side Mirage-- both decks being around the 50 mark w/ the main boss mon or Burst mode being around $10 per copy outside of Alt Arts. Shine/BWG has the more price for sure but there are other meta decks (Machines come to mind which almost topped against Blue Flare last Regional I went too) so, yeah Digi be cheap if you know how to play the trade game.

just few months ago we had a deck go 1500k€ is for an event. that was the second best deck. ever since pandemic west is getting milked, Ocg is fine doe and on digimon level in terms of pricing.