4 miles? Why not just use a 1000€ e-scooter?

Because this is nicer and he doesn't mind spending the money? Good luck to him.

let us know what naughty snack habits you suddenly leave behind now that you don't need to buy fuel anymore :-) For me it was Golden Gaytimes (iconic Australian ice cream)

@@jsleeio What? Snacks becuase you don't need to buy fuel?? The exact opposite happens to people who use EVs: they have to spend huge amounts of time at service stations so they eat MORE and spend MORE on snacks & foods & drinks.

@@pistonburner6448 I only charge at home in my garage. The CE-04 is 100% an urban bike with similar range to the Livewire, if this review is accurate. I ride it every day, often 75km+, and I have never got close to needing public charging. Not even once.

Level 3 will push up the cost of the bike….

Fast charging is not a good idea for a 10 kWh battery. I think it would degrade quickly. So better wait a bit longer at the charger. What I would wish is AC 11 kWh, 3 phase charging. This would mean less than 1 h from 0 tob100 Percent.

Uhhhh... Honda DCT?

@@motorpolitan8884 Nah. Try an electric bike for a while and you'll understand what was meant here

Not even close.

Exactly the same for me. Would absolutely love to have a livewire S1 or s2, or zero srf or any energica but the price needs to be much more competitive. Especially when you still have to settle for not so good range and heavy weight

It’s $15,500.

I am also a former Zero owner. I hope Harley wakes up and quits this garbage.

Any of you former Zero owners still riding an e-bike?

@@fivespeed3026Please expound on this comment. This bike is not a Zero. Your comment has zero contextual substance. Do you like the Zero brand? Hate it? Do you have any electric vehicles what so ever? Have you written them off? Harley "quitting" this garbage would mean abandoning EV's altogether? Your comment is dogshit.

The fact that you said former really says it all.

I've had a LV1 since October 2001 and I love the bike; Nimble, LOW Center of Gravity, incredible low low speed handling (CG❤), acceleration, ease of controls (no clutch/shift), more focus on what is ahead.. I charge at home. However, a larger capacity battery would be great, and greater proliferation of Level 3 Charge Units would really make may day!!!

Yep, me too

It’s $15,500.

No one cares…

There's some VERY fast ones out there already :)

I also looked at the Energia bikes a year after the LV1. I really liked the range...but price$$$ and wait time for delivery ??? make it less attractive. My friend who bought one likes to wave at me when I'm stopped to charge😖😖

The energica bikes are gorgeous, would love one

Del Mar owner here, couple things: • The "mid-40's to mid-80's" is a very conservative number. Driving solely in sport mode (lower regen and more snappy throttle) I usually average between 75-85 miles before I decide to throw it on the charger, and that's usually with 18-25% charge remaining (likely an easy 10-15 more miles absolutely hucking it). • Unless you're in the 'loud pipes save lives' club, you won't feel too bad with the sounds it produces, especially under ample acceleration. More of what I miss is the ability to willfully make any sounds besides the horn, otherwise, it's not too bad on that front. Short summation is it indeed doesn't hit all of the usual motorcycle emotional notes, but it brings in new ways to feel like an absolute giggling child to level things back out, not to mention the humor of never entering a gas station on the thing haha!

Great bike ...but 17 grand ?...wow ...only for the very well off at moment. May not be a toy but still poor mileage really , obviously will restrict your adventures especially as chargers seem hard to come by currently .

@@kevinspalding5470 it's perfectly in the price realm (15k for non-launch edition bikes) of any similar electric rival, and not staggeringly beyond most new, nicer middleweight nakeds (10-12k new). Saying 17 is being a bit unfair, and besides that, maybe you're comparing used bike value to new bike prices, which is also a smidge unfair. Also getting ~100 miles per charge in daily commuting is 10-15 miles below par with what my monster 821 sees, and obviously in highway usage you start to slide that number back farther. Nobody is buying an electric bike to intend to travel (presuming that's your intent with 'adventures'), if you are, you're either admitting you want that challenge or you're not thinking clearly. It's a machine for commuting primarily, with the ability to day-trip in a reasonable range, period. Any more is either your choice of sadistic faire, or plain unfair comparison. (Charging, outside of sunny California, that one's a fair shot but that's no fault of the bike.)

@@ChromeMouth good write up mate . Never the less I expect a lot more than a commuter for 17 grand . When I say 'adventure'....it's my description of any travel irrespective of distance that is outside of a town or city.

The Delmar is clearly an "around town" bike running errands I guess with its dismal range. Better compare with a Vespa. And aside from the torque I suspect the Vespa still wins overall.

Just don't go further than 33 miles one way or you'll be walking the last mile home! This product doesn't fit the essence of motorcycling and freedom of travel.

@@sunrisejak2709 Our lords and masters do not want us having any freedom to travel......

How about torque output per mile covered? Or something that takes into consideration of the application of that torque demonstrating its not very efficient considering the distance covered.

@@sunrisejak2709 I'm not sure I'm following what you mean? I was talking about how torque is calculated for the output shaft of the motor or engine, but torque is increased through gear ratio reduction. Since the ICE engine crankshaft has more reduction in the way to the rear axle, especially in lower gears, comparing the torque the way we do doesn't really give an accurate impression.

@@phillipbatho3213 I was inappropriately being a bit sarcastic. Meaning lots of torque but with the short range it will go away quickly meaning endurance is bad. But in a gas bike maybe less torque but over 250 miles you can apply overall more of it. Sorry my fault that my thoughts didn't translate. The range is so bad that you won't get much opportunity to experience all that torque. I gotta think a bit more before I type! 😊

My exact experience. My MY Perf has no soul but never going to a gas station changes life.

Only bad thing about solid state batteries is the inefficient draw speed for power. Solid state batteries are possible, but are more effective in low energy and power applications. A solid state battery could be made and used, however it likely would not be able to keep up with the demands for power draw of a motorcycle

And they’re still not selling. Yeah, one or two here and there, but HD, oops, Livewire needs volume and they’re not getting it. This too shall fail.

The spun off the company so that it would not be encumbered by the baggage of old technology. Innovation belongs to the upstarts, so they created an upstart. They hired innovative engineers and an innovative CEO. They are setting it up to succeed.

No negatives🤷‍♂️😝😂 did HD paid you well

10.5kW? My 2015 Zero SR had a bigger battery. FAIL! And I love Harley.

Re-charging takes 5 sec.

@@fivespeed3026what’s the amps on the live wire ? I assume u mean bigger battery as more volts ( capacity) I don’t see the volts or amp on the site .. so how u know you have a bigger battery based on the kw? And what’s the volts on the fx

You seem to know more about this bike than the professional bike tester who has ridden it😅😅😅😅

Erm….sounds like the ideal bike for the winter in Wales, enough range and limited moving parts to maintain when the bike gets covered in cow mud from a farmer’s field.

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I think 200 miles a day is possible if the area supports it

@@AdventuresonZero yes, if you want to spend hours at a charger rather than riding.

@@alexnutcasio936 everyone has their preferences. I can see and do quite a lot while still charging. For some people, it's about the journey, not the destination. And vice versa. I enjoy riding to a small nowhere place, plugging the bike in and connecting with the people, places and things to do there. I've had some really great experiences, all because I had to stop and charge somewhere that otherwise I wouldn't have given the time of day.

So you'll just surrender to China? And you'll happily bankrupt the nation?

Try a test ride?

To be fair, the bike is light (relatively) and is really easy to handle if you need to move it around

There must have been a drink in it at the end of them 47 miles.🤪😂

ROFL.

Just like ICE bikes, depends on fuel stations. I believe it's quite easy to do a 200 mile day on these. Distance covered is relative. In Texas, not an issue if roads are straight and unfettered. Here in VA, however, 200 miles through mountains would take all day, if not 2 days, to cover.

Absolutely, well said

Summed up nicely

If you keep the battery constantly hot, yes it will damage the battery. However as a lower voltage battery that can only take 240v or less, it's less prone to damage unless you realllllyyy try to damage it.

Thanks for stressing the point.

My boiler does all those things and keeps me lovely and warm thanks

I am very much looking forward to a time when electric motorcycles hit their stride, but come on. Most riders want their bikes to retain every drop of the fluids necessary for the bike to function, and "spewing poisonous gas" is how The Joker terrorizes Gotham City.

Modern ices are very clean not as clean as electric of course. Ev technology is nowhere near as good as it needs to be to tempt me anytime soon, speaking to mercedes ev owner hasnt helped..... they went on holiday just after purchase and spent a lot of time finding charging points, queuing, navigating to another point when first one wasnt in service (as did everyone else so more queuing.... 😮) May be good someday but right now ... no thank you.

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