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Is the Marvel SNAP Economy HORRIBLE?! A detailed breakdown for 2024

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Hooglandia Marvel Snap

Hooglandia Marvel Snap

Күн бұрын

00:00 - Intro
00:40 - Weeks Explainer
01:17 - F2P Summary
05:31 - Pass Buyer Summary
07:04 - Getting EVERY Card
08:30 - Subjective Opinions
12:27 - Hard Truths
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@valentinafuffa535
@valentinafuffa535 3 ай бұрын
what I don't like is there's little to no rewards for playing the game more than the bit you need to complete missions. it seems a bit unfair that a "dolphin player" that buys the pass and plays 3hr/day ranking up to medium-high infinite can't even complete his collection
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Letting you endlessly grind rewards means people who can't or don't want to do that feel cheated and burn out/leave. Very bad for a game long term.
@JoshuaSmith-tu7cx
@JoshuaSmith-tu7cx 3 ай бұрын
I'm doing my part! 10/10 would watch again.
@JustinTheRevLovejoy
@JustinTheRevLovejoy 3 ай бұрын
So 10/10 I did watch again
@araisikewai
@araisikewai 3 ай бұрын
From my own anecdote: On F2P, it's quite likely for players to get 50 Reserves for 4 weeks season, up to 60 Reserves for 5 weeks season. Especially if we count extra credits from various sources outside of games like twitch drop, vibranium offers, events, random good bundles. In other words, a 13 week cycle could provide 17 keys and 3400 Tokens. Additional 3000 token average from Spotlight caches. For F2P Gold, 6200G for 13 weeks sounds about right, might be slightly higher. My breakdown is 2600 from weekly; 1500 from 3 season rank 90; 800 from 3 season conquest (200G from 4 weeks season, 400G from 5 weeks season); 900 from 3 Seasons cache 1-50; 550 (average) from 3 seasons cache 51+ Extra note on bundle: the formula for good bundle to target is ((1.75*Token) + credit) / Gold price > 1.65 From there we might surmise the token target gain from bundle to be around 5850-6000 Token if we spend 13 weeks of Gold entirely to token (if such good bundle exist). In other words, ideally in 13 weeks, players can get up to 12000 tokens on F2P (provided they hit a good bundle)
@ahrenstarr6273
@ahrenstarr6273 3 ай бұрын
I definitely realize coming out of this video I use some of my resources inefficiently. Not sure it is a huge problem, but I did check my collection. I went from being pretty close to complete to missing 18 cards. Not terrible. Something to think about about.
@JoshuaSmith-tu7cx
@JoshuaSmith-tu7cx 3 ай бұрын
that's why I loved this breakdown as well
@Technomagus
@Technomagus 3 ай бұрын
I always thought F2P players were "Minnows" while small spenders were "Dolphins"
@blackpope8834
@blackpope8834 3 ай бұрын
Words can mean whatever you want
@pandasawrus
@pandasawrus 3 ай бұрын
Typically minnows spend a minimal amount of money but not 0 or they would just be called F2P.
@jc_wesson
@jc_wesson 3 ай бұрын
Minnows = f2p Dolphins = Season pass only Whales = Season Pass plus extras
@blackpope8834
@blackpope8834 3 ай бұрын
F2P= 0$ Minnows= Season Pass 10$ per season Dolphins= Season Pass+gold pass 15$-30$ Per Season Whales= Buying those crazy overpriced bundles pluss season Pass and gold Pass 100+$ a Season
@kennycarranza2822
@kennycarranza2822 3 ай бұрын
@@blackpope8834 There it is!
@thomaschoma8914
@thomaschoma8914 3 ай бұрын
I think the only thing I'm not in love with when it comes to the economy is the lack of new cards coming from Series 5 to Series 4, thus making it slightly difficult to continually get newer cards. Obviously, SD has to make money, just seems there's no time table for that to change anytime soon.
@Ashton.camilleri
@Ashton.camilleri 3 ай бұрын
I think I'd be fine even if it's long ass time as long as it was scheduled, it's really just about having that information available
@Xencam
@Xencam 3 ай бұрын
I think they said series drops would happen again either later this month, or in June
@marshalmoomins
@marshalmoomins 3 ай бұрын
They have just announced this will happen at the start of June.
@tawmas
@tawmas 3 ай бұрын
Always wondered what was optimal after the latest changes to the economy. Great video, and great editing.
@Flamblade
@Flamblade 3 ай бұрын
This is such a necessary video to exist to counterpoint the swamp of misinformation produced by upset gamers. Thank you for the breakdown!
@amiibojim6858
@amiibojim6858 3 ай бұрын
The best advice you can give anyone opening spotlights is to only open when you have 4 keys!!
@jm5522
@jm5522 2 ай бұрын
sometimes you gotta let that one arm bandit just spinnnnnnn (they're pretty good about doling out the weekly cards).
@SandarianMD
@SandarianMD 3 ай бұрын
Definitely favorite part of the vid was breaking down spending tiers. Provided a lot of insight into what’s worth spending on
@TokenBG
@TokenBG 3 ай бұрын
Good info, kind of interesting to see it stayed "mostly" the same. It used to be about $50/mo to get 3 out of 4 cards and then $200 for the last card. Basically, the first 3 cards are relatively inexpensive and then the last cards ramp up dramatically.
@adamdufty2536
@adamdufty2536 3 ай бұрын
Given that about a year ago I had managed to collect all but 3 cards, and now a year later I'm missing 15 (and that is as a dolphin buying the monthly pass), I feel that the game doesn't give a good way of catching up with some of the older cards, so the hole in my collection is just going to grow bigger and bigger. Given that some of the ones I'm missing are archtype defining cards, it feels frustrating trying to get them, while still investing in the newer cards I want.
@Chrys-T
@Chrys-T 3 күн бұрын
This finally bridges my understanding of collectors tokens. Thank you. As someone who has historically fell into overvaluing variants/art (missing 19 cards), this almost feels like a new way to play the game, I'm very intrigued!
@martianmarcian4912
@martianmarcian4912 3 ай бұрын
I was watching this video and an advertisement from KZfaq recommended me another card game with less luck factor, the advertisement said something like "are you tired of RNG?" or something like that. Is like KZfaq knows me better than myself.
@coolshirtkid
@coolshirtkid 3 ай бұрын
this video has your best editing yet! fantastic work and super informative. i just became collection complete last month after playing since global release and it was not cheap 😂 i think one of the biggest things that makes the economy feel worse than it is, is actually the amazing art and desire to buy new variants, which put gold towards things that provide 0 progression rather than token tuesdays
@coolshirtkid
@coolshirtkid 3 ай бұрын
them adding the bonus 2k tokens for buying 10 variants was the real MVP in me finishing my collection
@soopwizsoopwiz343
@soopwizsoopwiz343 3 ай бұрын
This is the content we need. Thank you for your service.
@beardyblue-personal
@beardyblue-personal 3 ай бұрын
It's nice to see concrete numbers when considering the economy rather than the constant, vague, sky-is-falling vibes from reddit. I appreciate the even-keel explanation and detailed breakdown, including calling it what it is as deeply predatory.
@VictorianGenetix
@VictorianGenetix 3 ай бұрын
Marvel snap toes the line pretty well i think. They are trying VERY HARD to toe the line in just the right way they need to make money but they also realize you need the minows and stuff for the dolphins and whales interact with. I do agree on the fomo and such being "predatory" but thats like the whole of our society. Like how michaels has "sales" every season that drop the seasonal stuff to an acceptable price sometimes even lower but during the season without sales its on a huge mark up. Like most aspects of life and capital society unfortunately deal in this fomo pricing leveraging setting their own price and time frames type of thing. Its just a matter of learning patience and how to navigate it all
@ericmccormick7088
@ericmccormick7088 3 ай бұрын
This was a great comprehensive coverage of the current economy that will help shape how I proceed with spending on the game going forward. I also appreciate the clear boundary between facts and opinions.
@Buderfingers
@Buderfingers 3 ай бұрын
The nerdy number crunching side of my brain finds these types of breakdowns soooo satisfying. Another great video, Jeff
@spincut13
@spincut13 3 ай бұрын
Favorite topic indeed! KMbest did a similar supplemental commentary to this video (different coverage but very relatable commentaries on the current state of the economy 🙏 )
@samzamzow8314
@samzamzow8314 3 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff! I absolutely love your data analysis on marvel snap economy. I wanted to speak on your comment about having enough spotlight cache keysto guarantee what you want out of a cash. I recently made the massive blender that you talked about when it came to the White widow spotlight. I thought I was safe because I had three keys and all three got me the things that I didn't want. And nothing feels worse than that happening. So please, if you're considering taking the gamble, it's absolutely not worth it and it feels so bad waste all your resources when you miss on the thing you wanted to get. Thanks for highlighting this!
@ianlow706
@ianlow706 3 ай бұрын
Great video with stellar editing! What I think sucks is that it is difficult to use resources like spotlight keys to target cards like USAgent, Jean Grey, Cannonball and Pixie after their spotlight weeks are over but have found great places in the current state of the game. Overall this system is very good for giving someone F2P like me new cards on release which I appreciate but acquiring stuff which I missed is pretty rough especially when on the release week the cards are not deemed worth potentially spending 4 keys on. I hope there might be a reasonable way for players to acquire such cards especially after buffs, like a second chance to roll for them? Love the YT vids keep them coming!
@hasdgfas
@hasdgfas 3 ай бұрын
Always love these breakdowns. Even as a big spender who is currently collection complete, it's nice to see a breakdown for the inevitable time my play/spending goes down and I have to try to "catch back up".
@lumberjack0125
@lumberjack0125 3 ай бұрын
im feeling great as a season pass only dolphin. Im about 5 cards off collection complete and have plenty of resources in the bank. My only issue is there seems to be less cards that are obvious skips. Most recently I skipped cannonball but ended up buying him with tokens after he left the spotlight. I also skipped valentina and us agent but wish i could have both at this point. But i have to skip some and looking at the future releases I wanted to be sure i could get most of them
@indosilverclubpt2
@indosilverclubpt2 3 ай бұрын
That's the fomo. On another video for data mines there are two weeks, back to back, that have TWO cards I don't have for four keys each. Everyone eventually builds a fomo immunity and it has served me well by letting cards just go.
@ZandoFox
@ZandoFox 3 ай бұрын
Fascinating and informative breakdown as always. I know that my gold usage is pretty suboptimal since I usually spend it on Dan Hipp variants rather than token Tuesdays LOL. Spending gold on variants does still get you some collectors tokens: 2000 tokens for every 10 variants you buy with gold, plus there is the odd bunch of tokens within the albums. I wish we still occasionally got direct to series 4 card releases, that's my main complaint, but I feel like I get pretty good value for what I put into the game, even using gold sub optimally.
@Yesnomu
@Yesnomu 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this review! Snap definitely has a big gap between player perceptions and the actual economics of the game, which is interesting. The designers have even mentioned that positive changes for players get negative responses. I do still have some issues with the spotlight system, specifically how it requires a fair bit of planning and outside tools to get the most out of it, but I also get to play with new cards like White Widow or Red Hulk on release day, which I never would with the previous model of card dropping every three months.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
I think there are plenty of people who like the SNAP economy, but happy people aren't loud on social media. Only unhappy people are.
@96flamengo
@96flamengo 3 ай бұрын
I feel like there's an extra issue here with the spotlight system: The 2 existing cards added to each spotlight are NOT picked at random - the frequency with which some cards appear is much higher than others (see X-23, Modok, Knull). Also, it does not look like cards that appear more are picked at random - cards that are more important to the meta at a given point in time tend to appear more infrequently - see Annihilus, Mockingbird, Hope, Cannonball, Ms Marvel only showing up after the nerf etc So if you weight better cards more in your collection track,s the spotlight system is not as efficient as it sounds for an average f2p player
@Xencam
@Xencam 3 ай бұрын
I could be wrong, but my understanding from the video is this is only talking about how many *brand new* cards f2p get every 3 seasons the week they come out. Any returning cards players get that they didn't already own is bonus and would add to the number of cards seen here
@jarimy1237
@jarimy1237 3 ай бұрын
Great breakdown on how to spend for all ranges even free to play. As a returning player this is super helpful. Thanks as always!
@KevinMcGrath-NCC1701D
@KevinMcGrath-NCC1701D 3 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the effort you put in to this. It's a complicated subject that needs a comprehensive treatment to be worth doing at all. I hope the video does well enough to keep you motivated to continue providing this level of content. I don't have time to do this kind of analysis, so if you aren't doing it, I'm not playing.
@MrNoob_11
@MrNoob_11 3 ай бұрын
I feel like snap is really good for f2p based on my past experience with duel links, tho I see why it's annoying for moderate spenders who want to spend $50-100 on a deck they can run for a few months
@Lycandros
@Lycandros 3 ай бұрын
Such a useful video. Your teacher training showing in how clear the information was shared.
@ignacior.dealmeida8581
@ignacior.dealmeida8581 3 ай бұрын
Tremendously well done video where we get the perspective from the devs and users explained and voiced
@Teh1Person0
@Teh1Person0 3 ай бұрын
People always complain about marvel snap costs by comparing the price to other games you can buy, but they never do time comparisons. If you put in 2 hours a week playing snap throughout a year then you are spending 104 hours a year playing snap. If you also buy all the season passes you are spending 120 dollars. There for you are spending about 60$ per 50 hours of gameplay, which is right about what people would expect for a AAA game. The economy makes total sense and is totally fair if you enjoy the game.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Yep. People paying $70 for a triple A game they play for 25-30 hours happily, but they think paying $120 a year for something they spend hundreds of hours on isn't reasonable.
@Teh1Person0
@Teh1Person0 3 ай бұрын
@@HooglandiaSnap So true. Thanks for the reply! You are a great streamer and I hope you keep putting out content for as long as you enjoy it. Especially love your deck building.
@chadwick196
@chadwick196 3 ай бұрын
As a lil dolphin, I really like Snap's economy. Coming from Hearthstone, I'd usually drop over $50 a month to try to open the cards I wanted. For Snap, having that large gap between big spenders and little spenders has actually helped me reign in my spending. I get the pass, I get the gold, then figure out what future cards I want. I did not like spending that much money on hearthstone, and really didn't feel it until after the month had gone by and saw all the little microtransactions I had impulsively done (because I'm an idiot lol). Because I have to be more thoughtful in general with Snap's economy, I don't feel like I'm impulsively buying shit as much either. But I'm also getting hella old, so that could be why. Great video as always Jeff. Thank you shedding light on the obscure economies!
@cs14532playa
@cs14532playa 2 ай бұрын
As someone who was on hiatus since hit monkey, this video was really helpful to get caught up on the economic changes in Marvel Snap. Thanks you🎉
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 2 ай бұрын
Welcome back! Just keep aware of which spotlight weeks are coming up and open on weeks you are missing the most cards. Best catch up plan.
@cs14532playa
@cs14532playa 2 ай бұрын
@@HooglandiaSnap After watching your video I realized me wasting my 1 spotlight key randomly because it was "new and shiny" was a tough lesson to learn. Thanks again for the informative videos that ultimately save players, like me, time and money.
@jonisykes
@jonisykes 3 ай бұрын
Throughout the first part of this excellent video I was thinking “yeah but what about fomo factor, albums and variants?” And then Jeff went and talked all about that too. Smashed it, sir! Couldn’t agree more. (Dolphin spender’s perspective)
@noelszczepanski6534
@noelszczepanski6534 3 ай бұрын
Awesome! This almost exactly matches the analysis I did. The one caveat is that there is a chance that spotlights have multiple cards that you're missing if you're not whaling. Also the 1000 token slot still has a chance of resulting in giving you a card you're missing as well (instead of 1000 takes)
@anttihelin6820
@anttihelin6820 3 ай бұрын
Engagement for the Engagement Gods! Likes for the Like Throne!
@saml413
@saml413 3 ай бұрын
Hear Hear!
@RexxDraconem
@RexxDraconem 3 ай бұрын
Engagement!
@RexxDraconem
@RexxDraconem 3 ай бұрын
Engagement
@ulamog
@ulamog 3 ай бұрын
Mtg viewer here for the engagement vibes. Still have no idea how this game works.
@mylesniedner
@mylesniedner 3 ай бұрын
when they went to a new card + the season pass card....that was kinda the beginning of the end. stopped being fun putting money into the game to stay collection complete. Benn playing less and less, last season pass I only got to 48 after doing every single season pass since launch. Havent even purchased this pass. Game had a great run but they accellerated the new cards when they should have slowed it. Still had fun getting a couple games in with Spectrum this morning.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Snap releases 64 cards a year under this new system. Games like Magic release 4x that in a single set. I'm very confused why you think 64 is too many.
@Impulse725
@Impulse725 3 ай бұрын
*puts coins in youtube* one engagement please
@homeboymaxwell
@homeboymaxwell 3 ай бұрын
Watched this video after the twitch drops streams, it's so useful for people who took a break from snap and got brought back into the game. Thanks Jeff!
@johnfaben6336
@johnfaben6336 3 ай бұрын
Just to check, for a dolphin, that roughly 12 cards per season doesnt include any old cards you pick up feom caches, right? So you'd get 75% of new cards on release but your collection would always be more than 75% complete. Anyone want to try estimating how many new-to-me old cards I get each aeason, assuming I always pick up 3/4 of the cards in the season they're released? I thnk it should converge to a steady state.
@Xencam
@Xencam 3 ай бұрын
I think it'd be hard to estimate, since everyone's collection is different and what old cards they decide to put in caches follows no pattern. I mean look how often Knull has been included as a returning card, vs others that have only been back once or twice
@donofmath248
@donofmath248 3 ай бұрын
The steady state is around 10ish missing cards from your collection.
@tim21087
@tim21087 3 ай бұрын
Videos like these with facts are much appreciated. Keep up the great work!
@Rocketblaze
@Rocketblaze 3 ай бұрын
I just jumped back in after having life get busy enough to kick my Snap time to the curb. I was near collection complete when Nimrod released, now I'm trying to catch up so I'll have competitive options. I'm fortunate enough to be able to drop whale money into the game, but that only goes so far. Lack of series 4/5 pulls in normal collection progression limits options and makes the spotlight system worth little more than the rotating shop options. FOMO hits me in the opposite way of its intention with this game, where I don't use resources because I'd need one or two more cards to finish a decklist past what's on offer.
@benkpeltz
@benkpeltz 3 ай бұрын
I always appreciate these videos. As someone who doesn't have a lot of money to spend on games it's encouraging to see how much I can get as a minimal spender. I only buy one our of every two or three season passes, based on how viable the card itself seems, and anecdotally it certainly seems like I'm keeping up okay in terms of playing competitive decks and having enough new cards for the game not to feel stale. It's particularly helpful to know that if I ever decided to shift to buying every season pass, it would functionally result in me getting ~75% of the new cards.
@cr7fan34
@cr7fan34 2 ай бұрын
Really informative video!! exactly what I wanted to see as a returning player who hasn’t played in months.
@ViperRulerlm
@ViperRulerlm 2 ай бұрын
The part that sucks isn't the amount of money I need to spend, but the amoun of TIME i need to play. To get the maximum amount of free rewards as you explained in this video, I need to play EVERY day, grind out my dailies, grind out my rank, grind out Conquest just to still feel like I'm barely getting all the cards I want. If I miss even just a couple of these rewards, let alone god forbid take a break from playing the game for a couple weeks, I get drastically pushed behind on cards for potentially months. There is no way for me to take even just a small break and then step back in and catch up on progress missed without spending money. I don't want to feel like I'm being held hostage by a video game.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 2 ай бұрын
If you aren't enjoying actually playing the game, just move on. No reason to play a game that feels like a chore. SNAP dailies take like 15-20 minutes a day. If it isn't fun for that much, the game is probably worth taking a break from.
@FilmColossus
@FilmColossus 3 ай бұрын
Just wanted to note the typo 1:56. Great video!!
@luissousa284
@luissousa284 3 ай бұрын
I'm a season pass buyer only and I've been getting Token Tuesday in the past month, the difference is huge. I play for a year and I can tell which cards are a must and which are skipable so I can manage my FOMO even though I want them. Great vid. Do what Jeff says folks
@ExergyGaming
@ExergyGaming 3 ай бұрын
Animations in this video were superb!
@iocel
@iocel 2 ай бұрын
Good job. It should take like hours for preparing this 15 min. of pure gold.
@devintron1
@devintron1 3 ай бұрын
Increasing content by one card per season also had the benefit of giving SD some breathing room to give us more rewards in places like albums, login rewards, or the upcoming league thing. When they were at the point of season pass spenders being able to get 12/13 cards any rewards they included could meaningfully make that last card too easy to nab so they probably wouldn’t have given so much album currency.
@VictorianGenetix
@VictorianGenetix 3 ай бұрын
This is a really good breakdown. I've been trying to explain the gold prices of emotes and stuff to people with the free to play gold totals and why yes it's expensive but the gold economy totals atm it makes sense that they are higher up on total cost. It's also a good indicator of like it depends on how "casual" you are for how much the economy kinda sucks. I think 50% for f2p is a good number and like ifnyou wanna be f2p you should be needing to put in some solid time grinding conquest / ranked / missions to get there. And the light spend of season pass + gold pass allowing like a 25% jump in card also sounds about right. It's been solid with my slightly more than dolphin spending. You can even save resources as a f2p to open stuff to overlap on future caches and maybe see even more new cards just takes time basically
@pvnassau
@pvnassau 3 ай бұрын
Great Video Jeff! And kudos to the Editor!
@Mampff91
@Mampff91 3 ай бұрын
When the game released on steam i played it for like 6 month and bought the battle passes. I think that was fine and i got a lot of cards and had fun. What made me quit the game were the dailies and the fomo that comes with them. You only climb your track by upgrading cards for credits. Dailies are your nr. 1 source for credit aquisition. That sucks. Not only that you have to them daily, also because the objectives suck. Stuff like "Play 1 6 cost card" or "Win location with x power" or "win location with one card". I had no problem logging in, but the dailies made me throw games just to complete dailies. Or the dailies forced me to play a deck that i didn't want to play that day. That in my opinion is the biggest flaw this game has (if it is still like that). But i really like watching it, so thanks for the great content you put out :)
@windmagus8573
@windmagus8573 3 ай бұрын
Jeff as always using data instead of feelings to break down the economy. Always appreciated.
@TheClaydinator
@TheClaydinator 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for putting in the effort Jeff! Have some engagement.
@JB_Emerson
@JB_Emerson 2 ай бұрын
Does the math change at all with the addition of the albums? Right now, if I secure three more "low cost, high impact" Dan Hipp variants, I get a spotlight key. That's more or less going to cost me 2100 gold. Or are those just a complete waste of time to go for?
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 2 ай бұрын
Those are too variable per collection and player to account for and not consistent sources of monthly resources. But in short, yes albums and other extras that come up make these numbers periodically cheaper.
@humouroushawk
@humouroushawk 26 күн бұрын
Remember when you used to do bundle value breakdowns every so often? Im sure theyre a struggle for longevities sake in the video space but maybe making it part of the stream sometimes?
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 26 күн бұрын
Too many people complained when data mined bundles released differently, so they made it so we couldn't datamine bundles anymore like we used to.
@Xencam
@Xencam 3 ай бұрын
I think the game is in a good place currently, and I'm excited for the upcoming series drops. I think the only thing I'd change is making the duplicate S4/S5 random card feel better. Maybe in addition to the 1000 tokens, they could include a random variant art or something
@gabrielpinto132
@gabrielpinto132 3 ай бұрын
I agree with a lot of your overall points and like the breakdown, but I would argue second dinner has not made the game cheaper because they removed series drops. If series drops were still common, players would be getting at 12 new cards in three seasons, so overall that made the game more expensive.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Getting every card on release when we had the regular series drops cost over $200 a month. Over double what this currently system costs. This is objectively cheaper to play with content when it comes out by a great deal. You're just wrong.
@ethandehoff3517
@ethandehoff3517 2 ай бұрын
It isn't actually true that all economic changes have been to the players' advantage. Specifically the removal of guaranteed series downgrades about 15 months ago (i.e. Thanos is still series 5) was scuzzy.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 2 ай бұрын
I said each change has made it objectively cheaper and easier to get new releases. Which is measurably true. Thanos is literally never going to downgrade, and they told us that when he released.
@abhijeethravi1970
@abhijeethravi1970 3 ай бұрын
Is there a calculation that tell me how many credits we can get everyday as f2p? If jeff is saying we can get 15 spotlight keys per 13 week so its around almost one key per week ? So every key is 120 collection level ,which is 4500 credits per week? Is there anywhere i can find the breakdown for this 4500 credits per week
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
You can add up all the rewards everywhere to get those numbers yes.
@jasonberezowski2869
@jasonberezowski2869 2 ай бұрын
These games are built on drip feeling dopamine hits, but SD doesnt seem to understand that not being allowed to open a cache until you have 4 keys and can actually guarantee a reward does not feel rewarding. Casual players cant save enough keys to hoard for the one card they actually want without waiting a month or more of saving. The collection tokens used to ease that pain but with everything being series 4 or 5 its impossible to save for anything withiut again waitijg months and months
@tigui02
@tigui02 3 ай бұрын
Great video again. From a F2P perspective, I think another good way to spend gold in order to acquire collector's tokens is to look at your Albums progess. There are some Albums that gives you 2000 collector's tokens when you got 6 variants. So depending on your "Free progress", it might worth it to acquire card variant for 700 gold in order to complete the milestone and get te 2000 collector's tokens. By example, I had 3 Max Grecke Heroes alreadly just by playing the game and being lucky. So I bought the other 3 for a total of 2100 gold to access the 2000 collector's token reward (1.05 gold per token) in addition to getting closer to the Daily offer shop reward of 2000 tokens when you buy 10 variants which will be a bonus but could be calculated as 3/10 of 2000 tokens = 600 collector's tokens "on it's way". Do you think logic works ? But yes, you do have to be lucky and get at least 3 variants for free for a dedicated album and it depends on where you are in the game. Gardakan,
@SiliconPowerII
@SiliconPowerII 3 ай бұрын
first time spending money on a mobile game and 10 a month seems fair for the amount of time I spend playing. Sometimes I pay a lil more if I see a bundle I like too much. Overall I don't feel scammed and they do put out a lot of "free" content so that's a big plus on SD
@DuckDoolittle
@DuckDoolittle 3 ай бұрын
Ah, economics. The Marine Biology of Mathematics 🐋
@Cassapphic
@Cassapphic 3 ай бұрын
My biggest gripes with the snap economy is how punishing it is if you're behind. If you're missing cards that are needed in a bunch of decks because you took a break, its miserable seeing so many cards I dont have that wont return to spotlights for months and I wont even have the resources to get most of them on the runback with other new cards being spread across, if you stay uo to date it seems mostly fine, but especially with cards coming faster, if you fall behind, you have an awful awful awful time.
@joshiemann
@joshiemann 3 ай бұрын
What I’m getting from the video is that the system is designed to be predatory but also forgiving. Would you say this is accurate?
@Eldast89
@Eldast89 3 ай бұрын
I see their arguments against a dupe protection and yet why don't they just introduce something like a threshold as in: if you have more than X missing cards, that 4th slot guarantees a pull. Kinda a middle ground
@pirotehs
@pirotehs 2 ай бұрын
I don't get it. WHY You need every card in Snap? I am f2p player, I spent 10$ last october on Ms Marvel season pass as a thank You after full year of play. When this economy kicked in almost a year ago I was missing 20 cards. I never spend anything on cards, no money, no collector tokens. I bought only Galactus and Thanos for tokens because at the time there was a knowledge, that You NEVER will get those cards in any other way. IT was wrong, I regret these purchases. Right now I am missing 27 cards. but I have 4 keys, and in this month 3 of those missing cards will get down to series 3 and will be available for free 1card per month. So I am roughly where I was a year ago. The same amount of ~20 cards missing. I own 48k gold and 32k tokens. And there is no need to spend them anyway. Cards in my collection are more than enough to be competitive.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 2 ай бұрын
People act like they need everything because they are a mixture of FOMO and wanting to be mad about something.
@kolrathgaming8209
@kolrathgaming8209 3 ай бұрын
Great content as always!
@Khon_Drogo
@Khon_Drogo 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic analysis, thank you for this Jeff. I appreciate all the hard work that went into creating it especially the breakdown of card acquisition. The only suggestion that I have for the next one is that I would like to see some sort of analysis on how the economics change when you are missing 2 of the cards in a spotlight cache. I think that your advice to only open when you have 4 spotlight keys may have been overly simplistic in that I think there might be an inherent assumption that you are only missing the new card in that instance. I was collection complete post Elsa season and I have since fallen quite a bit behind since they launched the additional card per month. I find myself prioritizing weeks where I am missing 2 cards more than weeks when I am missing just the new card. I also wonder what are your thoughts on opening on weeks where you are missing two cards but you only have 2 or 3 spotlight keys. Thanks again.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Obviously opening on weeks you are missing more cards is better for you. That is pretty specific person to person though and not something I can cover concisely in a general manner in a video like this.
@user-vt9tx2uz2f
@user-vt9tx2uz2f 3 ай бұрын
Two things: first, how do you know what my “for you“ offers are? I couldn’t imagine Second Dinner duplicating the offers that they send this special boy. Second, how am I supposed to allow my emotions about the Snap economy to get in the way of the facts when you shine a reasonable light on them so brightly?! Also, I enjoyed your video as usual. Thank you.
@ruaneman
@ruaneman 3 ай бұрын
Always appreciate your info and insight Jeff!
@Danielsworlds
@Danielsworlds 3 ай бұрын
if you get lucky on your keys its great. I've had to go 3/4 or 4/4 to get the new card each week every week for the last month. I cant stock up any resources because every release is just a slot machine
@FleckerMan
@FleckerMan 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the updated economy breakdown, was looking forward to this and cba to do the math myself :)
@pandaislife1079
@pandaislife1079 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown! I always wondered - what's the assumed playtime per day?
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap Ай бұрын
It's assuming you clear your dailies and battle pass free stuff. Varies, but typically 15 or so a day.
@Armaggedon185
@Armaggedon185 3 ай бұрын
I wonder if capping the collectors tokens would have a similar spending effect as the spotlight caches. Say that tokens are capped at 12,000 or so, letting people bank them for a card or two they really want but forcing them to spend if they want to be efficient.
@Xencam
@Xencam 3 ай бұрын
Reddit would have a field day with that change tbh
@DennyMon
@DennyMon 2 ай бұрын
i played since the modok battle pass. getting token 6k a month isn't that hard. i played quite consistently for 4-5 months after. when spotlight comes i get like 2-3k a month, then there's no rank down card for quite a while. so my deck stuck, since i can only get 6k token in 2-3 months time. im just quitting for a better quality of my time 😅😅
@richouzzz4781
@richouzzz4781 3 ай бұрын
The only thing you didn't mention, is that over the course of a year - the 4-6 cards free players don't get every 13 weeks season add up I've been playing since day 1, used to spend on marvel passes, but I'm now missing 50+ cards from my collection; which are all meta cards; which literally means I can't play the top 10 meta decks Even though, again, I've been playing every day since day 1.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Skipping all the metacards in spotlight caches sounds like you messed up.
@donofmath248
@donofmath248 3 ай бұрын
They don’t really add up, though. If you’re opening carefully, you are likely to incidentally get a large percentage of them from rerun spotlights in the subsequent year. So they do accumulate, but at a much lower rate than just “adding up”. I haven’t calculated the full F2P steady state, but it should be somewhere around 25-30 cards missing from your collection long-term.
@fallguybuddy2654
@fallguybuddy2654 3 ай бұрын
Unless your a content creator you really shouldn’t have the idea of being “collection complete” I was November of last yr than gradually fell behind because some cards where just not worth it. It’d be interesting to see also the player count from global release to, conquest mode, to pc launch, to now. I’d imagine it fluctuates but no new players means less 💰 for em and if everyone like myself went from semi-whale to season pass player that’ll be even less 💰 from their current player base. I’m happy staying as a pass player just don’t know if that’s what they want from everyone 🤷‍♂️
@ourviewgaming
@ourviewgaming 3 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, Jeff. I enjoyed the transparency and the clarity of the data provided. I hope my comment helps you and other players, as they play Marvel Snap. I am not a Whale because I only buy season passes, but I believe I am one of those Dragons that you spoke of in the latter half of your video. I personally have not used a spotlight key since January 2023 and have 16 spotlight keys and 21,500 tokens. I have only purchased Red Hulk for 6k Tokens this year. With that said, at this time, I am currently missing 21 cards. To maximize my spending, I will not use a spotlight key until there are 3 cards in the Spotlight Cache that I have not yet attained. This is difficult for most due to FOMO, but most of the S5 cards have not been worth it in my opinion. Something that was not mentioned that SD will be doing approximately every 6 months is series drops. SD announced on December 19, 2023, that Series drops would return and SD did a series drop in January. Per a May interview with Marvel Snap Zone and SD, they will be doing another series drop in June. If you hold on to your tokens, you will be able to purchase cards for 1k tokens and 3k tokens for the series of dropped cards. This allows for the spotlight keys to fill out the rest of my collection. The only issue I find with this is that I am at the mercy of SD and the grouping of the cards for the Spotlight Cache. In summation, stacking your tokens and spending them every six months, in my opinion, possibly, is the best way to proceed. Then post series drops using your keys as required, but preferably only using the Spotlight Keys when there are 2 or 3 cards in the cache that you don't own. All this said, things are in constant flux and can change. I hope this helps in some capacity.😁
@Xencam
@Xencam 3 ай бұрын
Tbh it's not efficient spending 1000 tokens on cards that series drop into S3. Just open regular caches on the track for those after the drop, and you won't need to spend tokens
@ourviewgaming
@ourviewgaming 3 ай бұрын
@Xencam I am series 3 complete. SD dropped 5 additional cards into Series 3 last January. I anticipate they will do the same thing this coming June, so using 1k tokens that I earned by just playing the game and without spending money to buy five cards that were just series 5 or 4 previously for 1k tokens each would be optimal spending. You then have 5 additional caches to use towards collecting other cards.
@TheRazor124
@TheRazor124 3 ай бұрын
Hey Hoog. Love the video but i have 1 small problem with your take. Your entire argument for card aquisition is predecation on the notion that every player can and does complete every means of obtaining resources. Im a restaurant manager, husband, and father of 3. I TRY to complete everything, but with so few hours in the day i only every complete maybe 5/7 dailies, barely ever climb higher than 80 in ladder, and NEVER play conquest. This dramatically reduces my resource acquisition rate to FAR less than what you described. So what youre saying is that because of my lifestyle, i can NEVER be collection complete and that makes me sad.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
I mean, you'll never be complete without spending money no matter how much you play
@technolight650
@technolight650 3 ай бұрын
1:50 i wonder if the typo was another one for engagement
@lewy1231000
@lewy1231000 3 ай бұрын
My only issue is the 4th spotlight not guaranteeing you a new card and giving you minimal resources instead. Overall its not a bad system at all but thats my only gripe at the moment
@zmanjace1364
@zmanjace1364 3 ай бұрын
It's definitely easier than it was to get new cards now that it use to be but, my god, it feels bad. I hate the slot machine nature of the caches. I'm a season pass only player and sometimes the math just doesn't work out and I end up with 3 keys for a card I really want. Missed Cannonball and Beta Ray with 3 keys and bad rolls.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Like the video points out, stop pulling for cards when you can't get what you want. Worst way to spew resources in the system.
@moazzamali7421
@moazzamali7421 3 ай бұрын
I m the small spender category player, buying a season pass and a gold pass, and I managed to open 9 keys in the zemo season (5 weeks), granted that I got almost 80 collection levels for 25 credits each coz of all the new cards and variants I hadn’t upgraded. Start of the season I had 0 keys and 0 credits just around 500 gold. I used all the gold to refresh missions as it allows to get credits along with season points! This way I managed to get red hulk (on first key), white widow (used all 4 keys) and valentina (used all 4 keys). I used to convert gold to credits instead of tokens coz I needed to complete my series 3 collection. But now that I have done it, I find it a bit hard to still buy tokens with gold just because of the amount of keys I managed to get in 1 season. I believe I can get 6/7 keys in a 4 week season, which is better than buying tokens only if the spotlight caches are good, but the upcoming seasons have quite some bad caches and I have a lot of those cards already :( I really wonder if buying tokens is the best use of the gold or not 🤔
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
On average you'll get fewer cards buying levels for keys with gold than tokens yes.
@donofmath248
@donofmath248 3 ай бұрын
Before you’re series 3 complete, credits are better - they speed up your series 3 collection, and you have few enough S4/S5 cards that spotlight weeks you open during will typically have multiple cards. But around that CL5k mark, both of those turn - you stop getting new cards from reserves, and you have enough S4/S5s that tokens are at least as efficient while being more flexible than spotlights. And that’s the perspective of this video - endgame players, who are past that point. Because if you’re playing snap long-term, you’ll be in that position for much longer than you’re in the early game.
@edfries2002
@edfries2002 3 ай бұрын
I watched it on Twitch, but i here as a sacrifice to the algorithm gods!
@francismcilvaine9083
@francismcilvaine9083 3 ай бұрын
Well done video. I was reading a book that was talking about Las Vegas whales. According to the author of the book, a whale in Las Vegas is someone who is willing to gamble 1 million dollars over a 3 day weekend..... In comparison calling a Marvel Snap big spenders a minnow, would be an insult to minnows. To be fair, a whale in a gambling town also gets other perks as part of his or her experience (dining, free rooms and airfare... who knows what else).
@PeopleAcct707
@PeopleAcct707 3 ай бұрын
Thumbnail game on point
@Tarranga
@Tarranga 3 ай бұрын
My issue isn’t necessarily the total cost to get every card which sure is arguably reasonable compared to getting every card in other games it’s the cost for a new or lapsed player to just get a specific set of cards they want. Imagine you’ve taken 6 months off or you are just starting and they watch one of your videos which they think is cool. How long/hard/expensive will it be for that player to get the cards assuming they have none of the series 4/5 cards. It feels awful compared to any other game I’ve played. If I see a cool deck in hearthstone right now I can go into the game spend about $100 I can be confident I will have the deck I want whether that’s opening the cards or dusting the rest to craft. In snap that’s not possible and I think that sucks and it’s made it impossible to get any of my friends who like card games to start playing.
@MrGhostTheBigRoast
@MrGhostTheBigRoast 3 ай бұрын
the game is exponentially better for new players now than it ever was. as for people who missed out on things, well sucks to be them but i would rather the game focused on current players and new players.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
It is funny, because in those other games you mention people complain all the time about folks spending $100 and netdecking. In snap you have to actually play the game to earn cards overtime and then folks like you complain about that. No system to please everyone - but at least in SNAP you actually can catch up. In HS or Magic Arena you'll literally never collect most of the cards without spending thousands of dollars. In SNAP you'll always get S3 complete no matter when you start for free.
@Tarranga
@Tarranga 3 ай бұрын
@@HooglandiaSnap I agree that no system will please anyone but for the experience I want I think there are major issues with Snap currently. I have been playing since the game launched in Australia and spent a lot becoming collection complete before the American release. I kept playing for months consistently through nexus events and then the intro of the token system. But I got burnt out playing every day and stopped for a bit. I kept watching your videos and eventually saw one that looked cool and then I went to start again but realised I was about 6 new card releases short. It was a very negative experience to know that I could not play the deck I wanted to play and couldn't even spend money or time to get it. Many of the cards were not going to be in caches for months and I literally could not buy enough tokens to get the cards regardless of how much money I thought was reasonable to spend on a game in one go. For my enjoyment, I do not find playing unoptimised decks fun so it was a major barrier to getting back into the game as I said I know a lot of people who have completely bounced off the game when they realised it would be a very long time or an unreasonable amount of money before they will be able to play a current meta deck. The key system, to me, also makes it feel incredibly punishing to miss even a day of playing as you have to get to 4 keys before the card you want comes up. Then it feels even worse to watch a card go by knowing that no matter how much you play you can't actually get enough collection levels to get 4 keys. This is all to say that for me the economy has made me stop playing Snap and every day that goes by makes it feel more and more impossible to return. Still hasn't stopped me from watching every video you release.
@JeffHoogland
@JeffHoogland 3 ай бұрын
@Tarranga you keep saying you can't spend money to get the cards you want, but that isn't true. You can definitely buy collector tokens.
@Tarranga
@Tarranga 3 ай бұрын
@@JeffHoogland but not really, my shop today for example has one bundle containing tokens, $50 AUD for a premium mystery bundle with 3000 tokens. And even if I could buy it more than once I don’t think $100 for a series 5 card is acceptable. I understand that from your perspective this is a good system but from mine it’s not and it’s stopped me playing. Which is sad because I love the gameplay and I’ve put a lot of time into it.
@JOSHJOSHJOSHJOSH
@JOSHJOSHJOSHJOSH 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Reddit would make you think SD is Satan, but I think they're doing a pretty good job for a game that must be expensive to maintain (no doubt Marvel IP is expensive).
@bobbobby475
@bobbobby475 3 ай бұрын
As a season pass buyer I already felt like I was basically getting all cards. So this cideo solidifies that. I am a atudent and only work part time 2 days a week and the game is very affordable for me. If i was working full time I can easily imagine not going to McDonalds once a month to buy the season pass.
@empire_of_light
@empire_of_light 3 ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you for laying out the facts objectively and logically! Great presentation and organization of the way you presented them. Awesome work on the graphics too! Cheers!
@LastPancake
@LastPancake 3 ай бұрын
Whilst snaps economy certainly isnt the absolute worst ive ever seen. To turn round and say $80 a month to ensure you get every card is absolutely insane for a solely digital product and its not like its genuinely cutting edge tech being developed. Snaps design team dont want you to get every card but constant OTA and patch updates drastically increase fomo and that dedign philosophy has to change. Also to say they have only ever made the game cheaper to get everything isnt exactly true. They have DRASTICALLY reduced the rate at which tokens drop for people to guarentee what cards they get and adding in the caches adds in a huge element of RNG baiting people into throwing in 1 key to see what they get which is predatory in the highest regard. Also increasing the cards released by an extra 1 per season exponentially increases the resources required to get everything and makes it more difficult for new players to catch up.
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap 3 ай бұрын
Before spotlights, it cost over 200 USD a month to get every card on release. 80 is objectively much cheaper.
@LastPancake
@LastPancake 3 ай бұрын
@HooglandiaSnap yeah for sure, it is much better, but in reality it's still insane that it costs as much as it does for new cards nevermind cosmetics (I'm all for them monetising cosmetics especially emotes etc as much as they want)
@jeanpierre3239
@jeanpierre3239 3 ай бұрын
Great summary, thanks for sharing this 😊
@selimnokashi9249
@selimnokashi9249 Ай бұрын
Cool video man. Gets me updated on the current economy of Snap. Last I played was April 2023. Do you have a video explaining what's new in Snap? Like the new resources, where to get them and ways to spend them on? Kinda looking to go back coz again I've got my interest in Marvel comics hehehe. Also I noticed there are a lot of X-Men cards, is a full X-Men deck viable?😂 cheers man!
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap Ай бұрын
Spotlight keys are the only new thing. Everything is obtained via the track or shop still.
@selimnokashi9249
@selimnokashi9249 Ай бұрын
@HooglandiaSnap i downloaded and opened the game again. I kinda get the new stuff now. Some questions tho, what's conquest? And there's also a shop for it? I saw some cards in which the spotlight keys are to be used on, is that the only place to spend the keys? And there's some cosmetics with certain card variants like all the artgerm ones you need to collect to unlock stuff?
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap Ай бұрын
Conquest is a "tournament" game mode where you play multiple games against the same opponent. Yes there are nominal rewards for playing the mode. If you look in the collection tab there is an "albums" button at the top with groups of variants you can get extra stuff for collecting yes.
@selimnokashi9249
@selimnokashi9249 Ай бұрын
@HooglandiaSnap wow cool cool, if I play in conquest mode can I complete daily quests or season quests and earn boosters for cards?
@HooglandiaSnap
@HooglandiaSnap Ай бұрын
Yep.
@yaringosu
@yaringosu 3 ай бұрын
Great summary, thanks for this!
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