The only time this tower felt decent to use was when it was bugged at launch.

(i think this tower isnt meant to be used on chimps, ISAB, and could be better outside of it)

It can be good. My best results with it were using the other Beast Handler to support it.

But even then, if you removed it, the other 2 would still survive anyway.

They should've kept the bug

Oddly enough, they both suck at what the other does. Meg is very good moab popping, and Glaive is good for clusters

Glaive lord community LMAOOOO

glaive lord good stop hate him, he ez break ceramics, lead (if 5-0-2) his didnt for moab

@@JulianoTrentin if Glaive Lord has a million fans I am one If Glaive Lord has ten fans I am one If Glaive Lord has one fan, I am that fan If Glaive Lord has no fans, then I am dead

Glaive lord gang

I mean it has to do with the MAD being absolutely OP when it comes to moab damage but damn... I didn't know the gap was that high.

@@GooRockGooRise Yeah, true. But they both share the same weakness (being way too slow to deal with ceramics), so there's no reason megalodon should be outclassed so hard at the one thing it's meant to be good at if it'll have the same flaws

@@GooRockGooRisethey’re both supposed to be moab destroyers

​@@squiddler7731Place a glaive lord to defend against the ceramics hehe

yep@@ratman1125

Was thinking the same thing. It basically has the same issue as M.A.D. where it can't even beat ceramics, but MAD is able to make up for that with insane damage to multiple moabs at once with global range.

Yea, they should lean into the Megalodon's price and make it super strong late game

they can OHKO BADs for a while for what it's worth@@flopps1051

and doesn't fall off as hard lol. the rocket storm ability even helps with ceramics to a certain extent@@squiddler7731

The real problem is the downtime, NOT being able to only use one bloon at a time. Besides, orca doesn't really need that as a buff, and that would be a bit tricky to code most likely.

Poukai is also like 50% cheaper and does the same thing, but better lmao

@@shaydenprime275 it's actually so funny watching megalodon struggle to 95 knowing full well that the far cheaper bird tower solos it😭

Both incredibly funny and incredibly sad

And if you run top path beast Handler, you need to get a ton of other towers to clean up its ceramic mess like a baby trying to eat.

Yes, because you need something else to fight against other enemies?💀

It's sad to hear, but I have to agree.

It really did go from best tower to worst.

I believe people over reacted when it was initially released. People said op but it was only really strong in endless as for normal game it was an incredibly expensive tower that was only strong against bulky bloons.

agreed, i used him to get super mines once

⁠@@ShadowViperGaming43that’s crazy; I could’ve never imagined super mines in anything other than 2Tc or challenges based around it

​@@snaifhassnan6348 Corvus probably more than doubled the length of the 2tc list. Haven't fact checked but since it can basically solo with enough starting cash it's probably true

it can get megalodon on ravine

Corvus can 2tc with a 0-0-0 dart monkey, if you can place it down game start and it deals damage as a 0-0-0, you can likely do a 2tc with Corvus (obviously Extremely map dependent, he can only do Ice tcs on Resort for example due to save up requirements.)

this would make it more interesting, having a max tier orca instantly kill a MOAB, and a megalodon by default insta kill a BFB on chomp (with maxed version insta killing zomg's), perhaps to balance it they could try to make it so only the lunge attack is the insta kill, if it tries to bite moabs while dragging itself back to the water its a weaker attack (so have the thrash + a chomping attack that either grabs a zomg or attempts to one shot bfbs)

Yeah I loooove the dragging back to the water animation but as long as its kept on the lower-tiers I'd be happy; plus big chomp just makes sense to one shot

Meg was never bugged in 37.0, that was just great white

It went from like SS+ Tier at release, it had absolutely ludicrous damage because it was bugged. Once they fixed the bug it fell all the way to like F- tier.

When was it A tier? I remember it being broken on release for single target dmg, but I don't recall it ever being useful after it got massively nerfed.

@@riceyydiceyy it got some pretty big buffs in 37.0, it was a solid A tier tower, but then it became irrelevant again after a nerf in 37.2. They keep giving it micro buffs, but feeding crumbs to a starving animal will never be efficient.

@@riceyydiceyy After top beast as a whole got bugfixed in 36.0, the path had some balance changes in 37.0 relating to thrash rate. Great white had the wrong number inputted and it made it have an insane attack speed at max degree.

Isab agrees: 13:20

Because he’s cool.

Why would you spend 120k on a megladon when you can drop less than a third of that to get a Pirate Lord, who can one shot every kind of MOAB except BADS and still leaves you with enough for the rest of your defenses?

​@@FuelDropforthewin or just a MAD, half the price and alot better in every way

@@3days_left The reason I specifically used the pirate lord for the comparison is because they both insta-kill MOABS and are both water towers, which to me made the comparison feel more fitting. And yes MAD will shred anything you point it at, no question.

What if the tail swipe could knock back bloons and briefly stun Moab’s?

Yeah I completely agree. When a round 200 bad dips below the health of a round 150 bad, the meg should be able to instakill to finish it off

It would be great if you didn't want to deal with insides late game

FIRE TAKE. just having the animals be solo upgrades with no merge mechanic would make things so much more simple for everyone

How dare ninja kiwi try to make an interesting tower

​@@massiveidiot77hey, he said hot take for a reason. I don't hate the merge mechanic, but it just feels excessive. The beasts on their own were already a cool gimmick.

Yeah it just leans into a trend I've noticed the game going towards the past few years or so where they add a lot of extremely micro-heavy towers/heroes/upgrades (Geraldo, Wizard/Engineer Paragon, Corvus, Beast Handler) and then the majority of the community ignores them, while the more try-hard players either abuse them to make them get nerfed really hard, making it even less appealing for the other 99% of the players, or they just are not worth the amount of micro and planning it takes to use them. There is a reason why most low to mid-level players like playing Sauda.

​@@nicjoy4407sauda + alchemist are OP.

Even a single first strike can kill a BAD if you use the ability multiple times. Or two spike storms if you time the abilities correctly. If you seriously think the top path beast handler is good because "it's free r100", buddy, there are towers that do that wayyyyyyyy better for wayyyyyyyy cheaper.

How is BMA not the worst tier 5 tower, buying it kills your run (no money) and it doesn’t do any better than a tier 1 tower vs the bad

@@theendofthestart8179bma can be used as like a last last ditch effort. Any real farming would literally give enough for you to save up hundreds of thousands and more. Oh wow! It can’t deal with bads but can literally destroy 98,96 and bad insides. So useless! Go late game and megaladon does like 0.00001& of bmas dps. And the few thousand dps won’t help against million hp bads and zomgs. Bma is meant for free play, when you have millions of money already and have no need for more

@@theendofthestart8179late game when your income is basically all from farms (rounds 200+) BMA is pretty good

It works to lighten the load for your other towers for them to kill the bad when there are a ton of enemies around the bad

@@theendofthestart8179 You talking about just chimps or in general? because in general bma has good uses outside of chimps

That would definitely help

there was a point where it did way too much damage and could solo kill pretty much everything. now it's this way.

@@jaspertyler4557 thank you for explaining

It can (and videos exist) one shot T5 ELite boses, but a "bug" on the great White got fixed in the next patch make the top path the worst of the game@@Vorxzery

@@rominavazquez-xl3im yeah, pretty much any change that allows consistent damage, instead of the 2.5ish seconds of downtime when the main tower goes back into the water, would definitely make it more worth but even then, I feel like it needs more damage even if it was just something like leaving (Insert animal) Teeth on the track that act like road spikes (similar to perma spike in terms of pierce and damage but obviously no round carry over) Edit: I feel like the problem stems from the change of attack pattern from the 2nd to third tier in terms of their respective use cases (tier 1 and 2 being for early game and tiers 3-5 being for mid-late game [want to clarify that "late game" simply means in an actual run, up to 120 if you want to count Boss Battles, but usually up to 100]) the tier 1 and 2 simply do Better at Consistent Damage I mean hell, if you max buff the first 2 tiers they're actually pretty good, the same can absolutely not be said about tiers 3-5 obviously max buffing them does make them better, but the overall impact of max buffing is *severely* less because the damage output becomes inconsistent and it obviously gets worse as the game goes on because bloons just get faster and faster causing the gap where bloons get through to become bigger and bigger because of that 2.5ish seconds it takes for GW, Orca, and Mega to jump back out of the water

That much of a cost reduction would completely break Orca. A max power Orca is currently 50k base price excluding previous tiers but it deals with ZOMG-heavy rounds very efficiently. 32k for that effectiveness would make Orca SS tier where applicable. Megalodon could be 35k and probably still meh though😂

​@@Jaxz69-uj4if since you need so much support beside it to deal with cerams and other bloons he doesn't target, yeah around 45-50k should be the full uppgrade price counting the merging. Because alone he is useless but quite costly to have other towers around

I believe that was ethan reid who did that video, and yeah he kinda forgets the beast handler exists and I don't blame him, I do too, especially the megladon, as the Dino and bird paths are actually strong

But you lose so much money it will end up costing the same or even more

Also the build up to it is FAR worse

⁠@@theendofthestart8179lead to hold plus rubber to gold are some great extra money towers and it’s clear you forgot about non bads. Oh no! You lost 40$ for one shotting a zomg! How unfortunate that you lost 0.01& of your money source

thank you for reminding me how XXXL is just a cheaper better version of megladon

its funny cause they def could add crosspathing to it "a little bird friend makes your main tower able to see camo now" or someshit

As long as you spend your life savings on a shark

Ye but middle path beast still does good damage even to higher their Bloons while the top path beast is just fucking terrible against ceramics

@@person-ol5uf dino is for bloom damage, meg is for MOABS and birb is crowd control

I feel like it's Support class solely for Dreadbloon reasons.

@@GigasGMX but then why does the 0-0-0 not have the ability to pop purple balloons ?