Is the new BMCC6K FULL FRAME the right camera for you? Vs BMPCC6K and Ursa Mini Pro 12K

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A lot of people have been asking me what camera they should get between a BMCC6K full frame, a BMPCC6K Pro and an Ursa Mini Pro 12K. In this video I give you my personal opinion about these three cameras. This is not a camera comparison video, but I simply discuss who are these camera made for. A proper side by side video between these 3 cameras is coming soon!
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@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

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@TyParmenter 8 ай бұрын

The fact that you can pick up any Blackmagic camera with one lens (and a pocket of batteries) and shoot anything from commercials to documentaries in such a small package while still having access to XLRs, full-sized HDMI, and proper timecode without any silly dongle is incredible! Not to mention the flexibility we get from BRAW, which has saved me countless times in documentary situations. People love to complain.

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Yes it’s pretty incredible indeed!

@georgeg6036 8 ай бұрын

A backup camera is a must. I learned this from working on TV shows in LA. We always had one camera standing by ready to go. It was built up with out a lens and battery. Time was money on these shows and it came in handy on numerous occasions.

@austinbrooksproductions 8 ай бұрын

“If you don’t have two cameras, you don’t have one.”- Ty Turner, Flashfilm Academy

@JonasStuart 8 ай бұрын

Good insights as always Matteo, and peppered with buttery beautiful footage to back up all your well made points 🤩🤩

@sixth.memory 8 ай бұрын

Love the comparison! the value you get out of black magic cameras is insane!

@FreshSqueezedLightning 2 ай бұрын

7:05 I still remember in 2018 taking that Alexa into Arri Burbank and them swapping me the loaner camera while dressed like elves because they were having a Christmas party haha that was a fun shoot overall, hope you’re doing well! If anyone else reads this, I’m Casey Schoch, the 1st AC working with Matteo when the Alexa Plus got stuck in the boot-loop lol

@thegospelcallTGC 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the informative video. God bless and merry Christmas.

@ShaQti0007 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for your suggestions. I have been following your videos for a very long time, and your testing of all cameras has been so thorough. I read that the bmcc6k FF has 4 internal microphones with wind noise cancellation and shock isolation, but I cant hear from any of the reviewers about it. If you can let us know about the quality of the internal mics it'd be great. I make travel videos and internal microphones would be so good.

@leoeyegenartig8473 8 ай бұрын

Hi Matteo, I’m always inspired after watching your videos. Thank you very much! Also your Watchgame is 🔥

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@giuseppecalifano2575 8 ай бұрын

Grande Matteo. Chiarissimo, centrando il nocciolo e mai ridondante. 🎉

@aov_james 8 ай бұрын

love Leica R footages! Hoping Leica comes out with their Cooke SP3 variant.

@joshkiddfilms1295 8 ай бұрын

Good thoughts.

@AndrewZeletrainStudios 7 ай бұрын

The CC 6K seems like a good starting point for Blackmagic going into full frame. A camera I keep not being talked about enough is the Ursa Broadcast G2. It's essentially the 6K Pro in an Ursa body. It's Super 35 sensor with the EF mount, but an Ursa that can shoot 6K with Gen 5 color is something not to sleep on if you're looking for an Ursa model camera.

@alexshdvideo 7 ай бұрын

I have the bmpcc4k with the metabones wider focal reducer 0.64x but looking forward to a full frame native BM for my older full frame lenses and my art lenses from Lensbaby or Meyer gorlitser

@aquilacavalierifrota 5 ай бұрын

Any thoughts on the banding issue in low light? Thinking of buying the 6K Full Frame, but after hearing many people mention the banding issue, I'm a little hesitant.

@AdamLangdon 8 ай бұрын

Agree 100%. the 12k is still "king", and the features of the new CC6k are really nice and fun and offer a unique look to the BM Cinema line.

@fallenangel_yo 4 күн бұрын

Your review or all the contents inspired me a lot. I got new bmcc6k ff and own bmpcc6k too. 6kff lcd is way more brighter than 6ks35 that I hardly preview images. It is like 6kff at brightness 6 is equivalent to 6ks35 100 to match with output raw footages. Have yoyu found this too or mine is something wrong?

@benweichlermedia9096 8 ай бұрын

One thing in regard to the size that you didn’t mention (unless for some reason I missed that) is that you have a 5” monitor on the back, so nailing your shot is so much easier. I like that they basically include a usable monitor. Also, great thing with L Mount, is there’s a hole that you can screw your PL adapter on to so it is more stable and less likely to fidget around. Basically, this really is a fantastic camera, and seems like people just wanna complain about certain things.

@danbrockettDOP 8 ай бұрын

I attribute this largely to many younger DPs and camera ops have come of working age in an era where AF (not for cinema shooting) is considered a necessity and having something that weighs literally almost nothing is a standard as well. The more I have used AF, the more I have begun rejecting it for anything creative. Sure, if you are shooting a bread and butter event, wedding, even some kinds of documentary coverage, AF can reduce headaches for a OMB type of situation. But if you are shooting anything where you are creating and controlling a visually driven story, manual focus is essential and will be for the foreseeable future. AF is just too simple and arbitrary and it doesn't look human, at all. As far as size and weight, I began with a 30lb Betacam in the late 90s, added in a loaded Arri SR2 package so size and weight are all relative. To me, the size and weight of a loaded 6K FF is a dream. Not too small and heavy, not too large and heavy and I am going to add a handle, baseplate, V Mount, FF anyway. The form factor of the Pocket 6K make shoulder mounted shooting almost impossible but that's okay as I have recently picked up an Easy Rig and a rigged out 6K Cinema FF will be perfect on the Easy Rig Mini Max. This camera is definitely the biggest bang for the buck available right now, short of the Ursa 12k and what you get for a mere $2,500 is simply amazing. You're right, people do love to bitch and moan. There are so many choices available right now that are so high quality, just pick your poison.

@Bernzini 2 ай бұрын

Ciao Matteo! I love your work and I really appreciate the knowledge you share here in KZfaq. I’ve been shooting with Sony mirrorless cameras for 7 years or so. They pack a lot of features in small bodies. They are quite convenient. But I’ve always been drawn to Blackmagic colors and texture. I mainly shoot corporate and documentary work. I’m considering the purchase of the BMCC 6K full frame for personal and documentary style work. I could easily pair it with my Nikon AI-S lenses with an adapter. There are two factors that hold me back: the lack of stabilization in the BMCC 6K and the fact that I edit with FCP and I don’t know if it can handle Blackmagic Raw and/or make the most of it Vs DaVinci Resolve. Could you please shed some light on these topics? Grazie!

@RebelwoaCause 7 ай бұрын

For me, this camera is what I intend to use mostly for visual leisure. Artsy purposes. I’m using the G2 for professional work.

@weztastudio6170 8 ай бұрын

Had same thoughts regarding 12k + extra cam ( but in my case it is canon r5c because also fotos )

@KaceyBakerFilms 4 ай бұрын

The ursa 12k still looks more filmic to me… you said it’s the same colour science… does that mean the 6k pro has the same sensor? Thanks.

@iakovoscinematographer 8 ай бұрын

Hello Matteo, Personally i am following you for over 3 years and i missed the old content of yours interacting on set and showing how to communicate and more bts. Personally as a aspiring dp , i would like to see how you control light, and this could help a lot of people as well. Cheers!!

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

I’m still posting BTS :)

@bernardomassaccesi1861 8 ай бұрын

Nella recensione completa potresti testare la nuova bmcc6k in s35 4k vs la vecchia pocket ? Mi interessa capire il potenziale della nuova macchina in s35 per usare lenti classiche che coprono quel sensore

@swolodkin Ай бұрын

Hi Matteo, I really appreciate your no nonsense, informative videos. I wondered if you have/had any experience with the EVF for 6K Pro which also works on the 6K FF as I understand it. I just picked up the 6K FF on this crazy $1575 sale and am considering adding the EVF depending on the feedback I can gather.

@florianropers Ай бұрын

Don't get the EVF - it's terrible

@swolodkin Ай бұрын

Can you be more specific? So far in my research everyone has positive things to say about the EVF + Tilta Extension and Mounting kit. Plus they are $300 on the used market.

@jeremyestrada1522 8 ай бұрын

Hey Matteo, I’ve been looking at the ursa mini pro 12k for some time now and there’s some good deals out there. In your opinion should I wait until blackmagic comes out with the FF version ?

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Following that logic you will never buy a camera anymore ahah. I think the FF thing is not a big deal on the Ursa since the crop is only 1.3 and you can use a 35mm without any issues. I would add that as much as I love the FF, the 12K plays in another league imo

@jaceelliott 8 ай бұрын

Do you think the bmcc would be a better b cam than the bmpcc 6k pro to the ursa 12k? Just in terms of style, look, and similarity?

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Definitely a great option to have a full frame that can shoot 3:2 open gate next to the Ursa

@jaceelliott 8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli okay thank you!

@westwoodmanorfilms7779 8 ай бұрын

Matteo - As always thanks for you thoughts. Good stuff. When shooting in S35 4k on the BMCC6k what is the crop factor? Do you happen to know. I know they offer both 4096 x 3072 (Super 35 4:3) up to 50 fps and 4096 x 2160 (4K DCI 17:9) up to 60 fps. Not sure if there would be different crops on those two settings? Thanks again.

@westwoodmanorfilms7779 8 ай бұрын

Actually I think I was able to find the answer to my own question. I believe the crop for the Super 35 setting is 1.42 and for the 4k DCI it is 1.57. So both settings would be better than the Pocket 6k Pro for crop.

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Around 1.4

@prostigeMarketing 3 ай бұрын

I already have a 6k pro, would you get another pro, the full frame or a ursa for 2nd cam?

@matteobertoli 3 ай бұрын

Full frame maybe, but I would wait for NAB first, just to be sure

@tommygomel 8 ай бұрын

What's the best solution to adapt EF lenses if you get this camera body ?

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Ef adapter :)

@EncounterCaneCorso 5 ай бұрын

Looking for my first cinema camera and was just about to go with the 6k Pro. However, this looks like a better fit for me. I like the smaller cages like Small Rig and Tilta, but doesn’t seem like they have any available for the 6K FF yet. Do you use a cage for yours..what do you suggest? Your Buttery LUTs are awesome!

@matteobertoli 5 ай бұрын

I don’t have a cage, but ones for the 6K pro look like they fit except for the top screw, but I saw people using them. Thanks!

@EncounterCaneCorso 5 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Okay, that’s why I saw some people with cages on them. Appreciate your response, thank you.

@jonpaultucker 8 ай бұрын

Thanks again for your insights. I shoot mainly 25p projects and so often shoot 50p broll for slomo. The one thing putting me off this camera is it not being able to do 50p. Not sure 48p can be used easily on 25p projects, what do you think? Cheers

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Not an issue because project frame will always be 25. Then you are simply filming off speed at 48 instead of 50. Only problem is if you have to deliver at 50, but thankfully it should never happen ;)

@jonpaultucker 8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Thanks! Good to know off-speed at 48 will work well. And no I never deliver at 50! Hate that look 🤣. Cheers

@adishesh28 7 ай бұрын

Hey man. Nice video. Can you let me know if we can get the 6K pro FF Ona old DJI Ronin S gimbal (1st Gen) with the DJI auto focus system? It would be great if you can test this. Thanks in advance.

@matteobertoli 7 ай бұрын

I have no idea. I don’t have any gimbals

@adishesh28 7 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Thanks for the reply. Great work. Best of luck!

@filipmichalsaffray441 8 ай бұрын

Hey Matteo, Do you think that BM will go out with a renewed 12K with dual iso?

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

No idea :)

@filipmichalsaffray441 8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli I like your answer the only thing I am missing of 12 K is dual iso...for it to be more versatile...S35 with 1.2 1.3 crop is totally fine for me.

@Spidouz 3 ай бұрын

Is that crazy to imagine Blackmagic to release an URSA 16K Full Frame?

@matteobertoli 3 ай бұрын

16K makes no sense, but yes, they will release an Ursa FF eventually

@loudmotion5639 8 ай бұрын

People will always complain ;) I think for the price of this camera, nothing can beat it. After grading some of the samples, I was just surprise and in awe how easy it was to get great skins compared to sony ;) am sadly not into bmd anymore as I am mostly a solo shooter and I have other needs but does not mean i wont purchase one if the economy improves later on!

@donnieyen4 8 ай бұрын

Hi Matteo , why the Sony a7s3 is good enough for shooting the movie the creator , with an rs2 and a ninja v , but not even good enough for your holiday video ? This is a true question. I like what you do with the BM.

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

The Creator is the biggest marketing stunt in recent history. It’s a movie that nobody would have ever cared if it wasn’t shot with a FX3. On top of using insanely expensive lenses with an external recorder, they probably dropped a couple of millions in color grading and VFX, and at that point, they could have shot it with a 5D Mark II. So the only point in using a FX3 is because they did a case study and realized it was probably the most sold camera in the past couple of years. By shooting with that camera they knew all the media outlets would have talked about it. As simple as that. I don’t buy any of the things they said regarding color science, easy to use etc. They could have easily used a FX9 or an Ursa or a Pocket, or a Komodo for that matter. For my line of work, where I don’t have millions to hide the issue of a camera, Sony simply doesn’t work. At least with the internal recording the dynamic range is not as good as a Pocket, roll-off is extremely harsh and the skin tones don’t look as natural as Blackmagic. On top of that the FX3, like any other Sony, does a very poor job in managing mix color temperature lights, for example in the street. Did many tests with all kind of Sony and I really wanted my ZV-E1 (same FX3 sensor) to be good enough for me, but it simply isn’t. Not even with my Leica Rs.

@donnieyen4 8 ай бұрын

The movie is great , so if they shot on Alexa , people gonna watch it as well. I watched it because I like the director. He shot the movie by himself , with a very small set up. Basically a ronin rs2. Not even the rs3 pro haha That’s why he didn’t use an fx9 for example. Too heavy for their set up. They used the cheapest anamorphic lenses on the market , and some laowa as well.

@donnieyen4 8 ай бұрын

The movie is full of mix lighting, you should have a look ;)

@donnieyen4 8 ай бұрын

Did you watched the movie pacifiction ? It’s a French movie who just won best cinematography on French Cesar . It looks great and was shot on bmpc 6k . But it’s static shot tripod only . I can’t imagine the creator shot on bmpcc 6k cause of the very bad rolling shutter.

@jockturner1547 8 ай бұрын

The reality is The Creator could have been shot on an FX3, BMCC6k, LUMIX s5iix and anything else that has internal cooling and raw over HDMI. With enough time and effort all cameras these days are powerful enough to produce a film or a holiday video. If you prefer Sony that’s great, or BM that’s up to you.

@buknar456 8 ай бұрын

I feel like so many people have at least one of the pocket cameras paired with the sigma 18-35 EF..and now the dilemma is ‘my main lens is APSC and EF and this camera is full frame and L mount’

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

But that’s a good lens to get rid of 😂

@Lathrop_Media Ай бұрын

This is my exact dilemma. Is it better to use an ef adapter and s35 mode on the ff, until I get some L mount or other full frame lenses, now that is on such a good sale? Or just get the g2 and use the ef s35 sigma art lenses I already have without adapting?

@deividvieiradop 8 ай бұрын

I think Im gonna wait for the Pro version of this new camera

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Won’t happen. People forget Blackmagic is not gonna try to sell you a camera a month. They didn’t put nd because they could not fit. Technically this is a superior camera than their Pocket Pro because is not called Pocket.

@deividvieiradop 8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Im not saying now but maybe in 6-10 months, it would make sense if they altered the form factor to put the ND's and to justify the "pro" name... fingers crossed. I just feel a huge cape in terms of price between the 12k and this new 6k, so a pro version of the FF would fit perfectly in my opinion.

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

@@deividvieiradopunlikely. If you need a camera just get one. Otherwise you’ll wait for years ahah

@sentralent1850 8 ай бұрын

We need a 4k G2 or Pro with a tilt screen.

@kiranbhujbal5117 8 ай бұрын

I have been literally waiting for that camera for the past 2 years. Hope for the best 🙏

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

Why should you downgrade to 4K? 6K is perfect. You have enough room for stabilization and reframing and you’ll still deliver perfect 4K. They 100% won’t go back.

@sentralent1850 8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Smaller form factor and smaller Micro Four Thirds lenses.

@BadMantraFilms 8 ай бұрын

m43 is dying m8. Nothing you can say will change that sadly@@sentralent1850

@bradspeed 8 ай бұрын

@@sentralent1850 tbh look at the fact that they use the larger body now with the bigger battery and tilting screen.

@A388Flyer 8 ай бұрын

Came for the comparison... stayed for the Panerai and Moon Watch.

@mr.goldfinch684 8 ай бұрын

Nice one! Do you know if somebody is doing cage for it yet?

@matteobertoli 8 ай бұрын

A lot of confusion about it. They literally claimed all the Pocket accessories were working when they announced it, but apparently the cage is not fully compatible. Super weird that nobody came out with one yet

@mr.goldfinch684 8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli thanks Matteo! Yeah very weird, hopefully one will be out soon for full rigging!

@MrMittens1974 8 ай бұрын

MID49 have one coming out. Looks pricier than from the like of tilta etc.

@swolodkin Ай бұрын

Tilta has a new cage system specifically for the BMCC6K (FF). I opted to by the parts individually to make my own custom system. But in typical Titla style, the new cage system isn't completely compatible with the older parts - you need to visually inspect and RTFM to confirm compatibility with your existing Tilta parts.