LOL, no it won't. Batteries decay just in like in you cell phone. Unlike your cell phone you are looking at over $ 5,000 for a new battery for this car. Like he says if you want full electric go Tesla or else get a hybrid.

@@oraclewizard77 Our 7 year old LEAF with a much smaller 24 kWh pack is still around 88%. 20 years is doable, especially with a larger pack - just wait and see!

LOL, yes it will. Ignore the trolls acting like they understand Li-ion battery technology. The automotive versions of Li-ion batteries do not use the same chemistry as cell phone batteries. Automotive Li-ion battery packs also employ a BMS (Battery Management System) which protects the batteries while cell phone batteries do not. Cell phone batteries have a distinctly different chemistry designed to provide maximum run-time at the expense of safety or longevity. A cell phone only needs to survive 2 or 3 years anyway as providers really don't want them to last much longer. All Li-ion battery chemistries dislike being charged to 100% and do not like being left on chargers at 100% for any given time. Doing this significantly affects their longevity. EVs employ a BMS to prevent this but cell phones do not. Without a BMS to prevent overcharging to 100% or prevent them from remaining on a charger at 100% for extended periods of time, cell phones batteries die within a year or two. Also, active temperature control (liquid cooling) is typically only necessary if you intend to us DCFC (DC Fast Charging) often especially if you live in places where ambient temperatures can reach over 100F (like Arizona). For people that charge at home and only occasionally need DCFC, the batteries will last just a long as they would if they were liquid cooled. Properly cared for there is plenty of anecdotal as well a empirical evidence for early LEAF batteries lasting well beyond 100k miles with acceptable capacity loss. This is especially telling considering that the early LEAF batteries were very small (only 24kWh) which required charging far more frequently than would a larger battery. Given that these batteries have a limited number of charge cycles (typically about 1000) means that SIZE MATTERS. A 24kWh battery with only 85 miles of range might need to be charged once or even twice per day while a 64kWh battery might need charging only once a week. Do the math. 1000 charge cycles with 85 miles per charge cycle is 85,000 miles while 1000 charge cycles with 226 miles per charge cycle is 226,000 miles. This is why a Tesla, with their expected 1500 charge cycle battery technology and 300 miles of range per charge cycle, are expected to go over 450,000 miles.

So how accurate is James statement on the battery overheating when rapid charging? Did it cause you any issues on long drives?

@@MrSunnyBhoy Leaf batteries don’t overheat because the BMS prevents it. In hot climates on long journeys over 250 miles this could get annoying (longer second daily big charge). But in UK the second charge of the day is about 15 minutes longer than the first one (30-40 minutes) assuming I need 80% minimum. I’d I only need 50% or less to complete my journey, then it’s not an issue.

I'm looking at a new Leaf 62KWH. It seems to be a trend amongst 'reviewers' to need an extremely successful car to get all whiny about. They seem to say "let's knock the Leaf and show my street cred". Reviewers also seem to be over concerned with hard plastic and how many bottles a car can lug around in the cubbyholes. I was amazed how well the Leaf was put together.

Hey! How's the car doing after 4 years? I'm asking specifically about the battery life. I'm planning on buying a 2022 model for daily commuting

Still going strong. Done about 40k miles and no sign of any degradation. Great car.

@itsnotunpleasant Thanks for the reply! That’s awesome to hear the car's still going strong. I was a bit worried about the battery over time, but since I’m only driving about 25 miles a day (maybe 60 once in a while), it shouldn’t be a problem for me.

I'd rather buy a nearly new gti and use the spare 10k on fuel!

I think 60kwh version is 35, 40kwh is closer to 25. 60kwh is definitively not a value for money.

You can buy a super nice 5.0 supercharged XKR for that.

After federal rebate, the base E+ costs about 26-27K in the US.

Douglas Thompson true.. a loaded one after rebates, incentives, and so cal Edison, and cal rebates.

Well, also the Tesla supercharger network exists. If you have the money for a Tesla, then you get the Tesla, because otherwise, the charging will be a nightmare.

@@mattevans4377 why is it a nightmare? the ave journey in the UK is 29 miles.....

@@mattevans4377 as Snorky says, for the majority even a first jen leaf is more than adequate for most people! If you do allot of motorway miles then yes Tesla is the way to go, but the majority Potter around town ans do small trips making a used leaf a bargain!

Too much money for that car I love it. Especially when the 400-mile model y is on the way

Good price what mileage was it? And what dealer? Thanks

What's that like? I've heard it's a decent old bus but just a little challenged in the range department?

@@animalcol1 My delivery got delayed, so I don't have much to say about it yet. Did a test drive, and it's quite spacious and have a fair amount of kit (Exclusive trim). It's not posh, but for 25k it's a good deal. ~140 miles of range are plentiful for my weekly commutes. I plan on living on public chargers (CCS / Type 2), as I live in an apartment - and they're still planning to get chargers installed in the car park.

@@jasonyee8210 so after a year of ownership of your mg how have you found it

@@phillippereira6468 It's been great and faultless. Though with more EVs on the road and not having a home charger; I'm struggling to charge without waiting for an hour + (waiting for someone to finish, then charge)

@@jasonyee8210 Cool thanks for the heads-up. Am looking at getting the Mg also. Bang for buck it is fantastic

Did a similar deal just recently. Pushed me into getting into an EV at that price.

@Hose2wAcKiEr Mine is a 2019 SL Plus.

Yeah it's the old Soul I am talking about

In basically exactly the same situation. Waiting on my 2 year leased Leaf to come. Was the cheapest EV to lease when I ordered. Way cheaper than the alternatives.

That approach makes plenty of sense. Agree on the buttons too. I absolutely loathe the touch screen set up. Its dangerous, for me anyway, as I've to take my eyes off the road for too long. Stopped me buying a model s for that reason.

0 to 80% in around 30 mins. After 80% like any battery the charge will taper off. At 96% on a 50 KW charger mine pulls around 5kw. When I do long journeys in my 40 kWh tekna I tend to charge at 20% to 85/ 90% .

douglas todd definitely, i had my first Nissan leaf and it was used slightly but i've owned 4 different cars and no other car feels as good to drive as my nissan leaf

Nissan went down the route of working on the battery chemistry, to increase heat tolerance and continue to do so. Unless battery cooling is very well designed (such as Tesla), then hot spots can develop within the battery, often near the terminals, which can be damaging. The other advantage of no active battery cooling is less tech to go wrong and less weight. The big down side is the limit on rapid charging (which is what battery management is about). Nissan give a similar warranty on the battery as competitors, so they must be reasonably confident about he product.

Rupert Murray sure you’re right I don’t think nowadays that it has too much affect on battery longevity, it still has some effect. The charge throttling is a total pain though. I’ve owned s 40Kwh and the charge speeds can be horrendous compared to the 30Kwh Leaf we also own. The 62Kwh is more tolerable due to the greater range meaning you need to charge less on s journey.

The B mode provides stronger regeneration when the accelerator is released. It works at all speeds so is not directly comparable to a low gear on an automatic shifter.

In America, that is basically the price since Nissan offers rebates and you can get a federal tax credit of up to $7,500 if you make enough to qualify for it.

LEAF's are still popular in more colder areas, especially if one can be bought at discount. I'm in Minnesota and just got a SL Plus for $23k after taxes. That's a good $20,000 less than a SR+ 3.

@@pioneer7777777 Well done, those SL plus leafs look like a good deal in the low 20's. They aren't quite that low here yet. When they get there, I might pick one up too

So you do that trip every day/ week? Most people have a bladder also, so if you do 200 miles stop for half an hour and put another 100-150 in that's more than enough for 98% of people! Yea they are more expensive to buy, but over the lifetime of the car are far, far cheaper to run! Very little maintenance ( a major service is screen wash and cabin filter change!) . Jay is right about the leaf, far too expensive, but discounting the Tesla because over a trip you do once in a lifetime, or even once a year because it saves you "2 hours" is frankly ludicrous. The tesla will be cheaper to run, far more fun ( even my leaf is no slouch at the lights and takes many off-guard) and cleaner for your local environment, yea I'm not a global warming freak, but what is undeniable is Diesel and petrol cars are responsible for produce emissions that cause respiratory issues, heart issues and also linked to various form of cancer, that there is a good enough reason to swap ( especially if you have kids). Tesla's also have regular software updates, how many cars do you buy that may have a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds and then in two years time can suddenly do it in 3.2 ? Try one, you might actually learn something about the future of cars!

@@davefitzpatrick4841 You are utterly typical of the EV brigade. You forget to mention the huge cost to the environment to even build an EV to start with. You breeze over the set-up costs, which for me, and I suspect the vast majority are way out of budget. My Peugeot 106 diesel has been totally reliable in the three years I have owned it. Sure, I frequently change the oil, but I am quite certain the cost of that is not going to add up to the horrendous cost of even buying an EV. Nissan Leaf, the basic one costs £30,000 divided by £5 (gallon of fuel) = 6,000. That buys a lot of fuel at @70mpg (420,000 miles). I won't do that in what is left of my working life. I spend around £300 a year on maintenance so even adding that in, the Nissan Leaf looks expensive. I go to Scotland (800 mile round trip) 4 times a year, I drive a 200 mile round trip once a fortnight, and my regular commute is a 110 mile return trip. Why oh why when my time is precious should I want to be forced to sit in a scutty motorway service station, (no doubt buying overpriced coffee to while away the boredom) while my car charges up. Furthermore I am under the impression that even charging EV's is starting to go up considerably in price, assuming you can find a working charger, and assuming you are a member of the particular charging company who's charger you wish to use. If I was concerned about 0-60 times or top speed I wouldn't be driving a Peugeot 106 diesel. Health: Feel free to produce evidence that one single death certificate has ever cited "Diesel fumes" as reason for death. For the record, I am not an EV hating petrol head (if I was I would surely not be driving a Peugeot 106 diesel. However, until these EV's become WAY WAY cheaper to buy, the reality is only a few people will do so.

@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne www.transportenvironment.org/publications/electric-vehicle-life-cycle-analysis-and-raw-material-availability www.nature.com/articles/s41893-020-0488-7 cleantechnica.com/2019/06/14/tesla-model-3-vs-honda-civic-15-cost-comparisons-over-5-years/

Compared to a Tesla, ICE vehicles are cheaper, but there are much cheaper alternatives. If you aren't taking more than one person else with you, an electric scooter/moped/motorcycle or the Renault Twizy (shame it has to limit it's top speed to comply with regulations in the US, limiting its economies of scale) are probably much better or similar value than most ICE cars. Even if you have to rent sometimes for long distance, they are probably cheaper. Not suitable for small children, but if you don't have small children, EVs are cost effective. Still depends on personal taste. Also the electric models are not that old as the Peugeot, so when they are they will probably have similar deals. Edit: Also where are you getting your prices from? A used electric true car can costs less than £8,000

My phone seems to believe it's Octadrone VI by ELFL.

Tesla Model 3 depreciates 5.5% in first year. ICE average 25% iseecars.com

@@waynerussell6401 this is more specifically the non Tesla EVs and more about 10 years from new when the batteries are knackered but an ice still just needs fuel.

Active cooling isn't an issue in the UK because of our climate, it has been an issue in warmer climates there's no denying. I have a 4 year old leaf with 98% state of health!

@@davefitzpatrick4841 Leaf spy does not show degradation. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obOYa6yWkpO8aHk.html

There are emissions making them ( there's always going to be, unless you advocate walking and cycling everywhere). But the national grid gets cleaner every year ( around 30-38% produced by renewables) around 4% by coal, which is reduced every year! I have solar panels and charge mine up with solar power, so yes 100% clean! But I'm not a global warming conspiracy freak, but what is undeniable is, your Diesel /petrol car produces emissions that cause respiratory issues, cancer and heart diseases! They are cheap to run, relaxing to drive, but can be fun. Do some research you'll be surprised.

It's the lowest emission car on the market, across its lifetime which includes manufacture and scrappage/recycling.

My arse produces emissions.

My car is 4 year old, rapid charging isn't as bad as some make out, my state of health ( I have spyleaf) is 98%, battery is guaranteed for 8 years but will go on much much longer, how often do you do 200+ miles? If it's regular/ daily, yes it's not the car for you! But once or twice a year ( as most people do) it's a none issue.

@@davefitzpatrick4841 I think my point still stands, barely 200 miles from new will only worsen as the car ages. I'm not in the habit of doing 200 miles but a bigger range means less time spent sat on a charger, & as we already know the cost of charging only seems to be increasing in price. Plus the horror stories of battery pack replacement costs (particularly from Nissan) would be enough to put me off EVs until they are a genuine alternative to petrol or diesel.

@@Zerofightervi please do some research, I'm not sure where you get your info but it's wrong, if over 8 years you lost 20% of battery capacity you'd still have 160 mile range, 60% of people have a drive, currently with electric providers such as octopus at night time the price per kwh is often below 5p per kwh and at times has even had those house holds payed ( that's not a miss print) to use their electric. I've had my car 6 months ( didn't have a drive so got a subscription with polar) over 3000 miles done at a cost of £41 . I pay £7:95 a month for polar and there are two chargers near me ( park and ride and council car park) that the electric is free for me to use, just the monthly fee for as many miles as I wish. I now have a drive and make use of my solar panels which I've had for three years, so I drive on sunshine alone. Batteries are getting better and in 8-10 years time your battery does need replacing ( unlikely) maybe because you want longer range, their will be third party companies that will be able to do a battery swap probably for the third od a price Nissan charge now. It stands to reason as more EVs appear the garages will have to change their business plan as there won't be money in servicing EVs ( frankly nothing needs doing). You like allot of the general public fret and panic over something they know little about. It's a shame because those that do make the transition don't go back.

@@Zerofightervi kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5qSdpWjvrWtdo0.html this will become commonplace in time.

I hate leasing

Car batteries are built and managed very differently to laptop batteries. They have advanced battery management systems that look after them unlike the batteries in laptops etc. Most car manufacturers warrant their electric vehicle batteries for 7 or 8 years to have at least 70% of their original capacity or they will replace or repair the battery pack. Car companies are quite smart where warranties are concerned, so they set the warranty period so there is almost zero chance of the warranty needing to be honoured. This means in practice an EV battery will generally last way beyond the warranty period, perhaps upto 12 years or more, which is about the average life of most cars anyway. Most EV drivers will never have to replace the battery in their car. When the battery does reach the end of its useful life in a car it will most likely be used for static power storage for another 10 years before being recycled. The idea of EV batteries going to landfill is a complete myth. Apart from the environmental damage, the components are too valuable to throw away.

@@davidprescott7463 People are already replacing batteries on Prius at huge cost Current ICE cars have a life span of 20 years at least. When the battery range drops below 50 miles the whole car will have to be scrapped because a new battery is greatly in excess of the cars then value. So depreciation over the life of a BEV car will be a lot higher. At present ICE owners typically contribute £2000 per year to the exchequer in fuel duty and VED BEV owners currently pay nothing . This will not be lost by governments they will reach a tipping point and government will replace fuel duty and VED with a black box direct debit charge of at present costs of 25p per mile - this with become additional to BEV owners within a year or two. There is a bin at council tips for Lion batteries .

@@richardhintonracing Catch up - LiIon chemistry is advancing quicker than you comprehend. Check out Tesla's battery info Day in May (Virus permitting). jes.ecsdl.org/content/166/13/A3031.full

Your loss, obviously don't have kids either! They save you money and are better for the local environment ( imagine the air always being as clean as it has these last few weeks).

Have you tried?

Dave Fitzpatrick I couldn’t care less about the environment and they don’t exactly save you money

Unless you need a car today, for the Europeans I'd hold out for Volkwagen's ID.3 before purchasing anything. That is if cost is a factor. If you have little concern for cost then I'd go with a Tesla due to better technology and the Supercharger network. Here in the U.S., unless you live in California or a couple of other mandated low emission states your only choice of an "affordable" EV is the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan Leaf generally both have been receiving heavy manufacturer discounts here versus Tesla's which always sell at full MSRP.

cleantechnica.com/2019/06/14/tesla-model-3-vs-honda-civic-15-cost-comparisons-over-5-years/ www.iseecars.com/cars-to-buy-used-study#v=2020