100% agree

Yeah, seems like a "cash grab" for riders that don't know better. At least the insurance would be less (I think). Upgrade the suspension and brakes and you get... a more expensive/slower bike 9.9

@@rrazote2279Insurance is a good point, I am not sure what they come in at. I would just rather ride the faster bike in a low power mode and enjoy the plush suspension. Although, maybe I am biased because I live in PA and our roads look like downtown Fallujah.

@@chriskratz7075 Insurance is the only reason I "settled" for a z900rs instead of getting a CB1000R. When I had Progressive, they quoted me about $379/mo for the Honda, and $300/mo for the Kawi - monthly payments if I was to finance was $250 for either bike. I told them off and moved to allstate for $70/mo. I couldn't even imagine what it would cost to insure a 600cc sportbike. Here's the irony... I bought a Monkey this spring and modded it up so that it's putting out all of around 13HP, and of the two bikes, it's what I ride more often. Insurance for it is $30/mo. Trying to sell the 900 now, as it's collecting dust in the garage. "Fast on a slow bike" - I honestly, couldn't be happier =P

@@rrazote2279 what kind of mods do you have on the monkey? I have a Grom that I ride the shit out of and I’m wanting more power to it

@@O.World_RR What it does give you is usable power on the street. People can talk all they want about how they daily supersports but the one positive this bike has is power that is more useful in a street setting. This bike on the track will require extensive modification to really be a capable track weapon. So it seems like Yamaha priced and spec'd this to be a "useful" supersport street bike. They could have neutralized the body position, made it a bit cheaper, and made it a sport touring bike and I think it would make more sense.

@No_Name I agree. I own a Ninja 650 and it's an "ok" bike. Great for beginners and very practical but Kawasaki hasn't really seen the need to give it any killer features because there is no competition. This would slot right above the Ninja 650 but wouldn't be all the way up the chain where the CBR650R, Duc Supersport, S10000XR, and Tracer 9 GTs live. Just a silly bike from Yamaha imo.

@@chorseundgrd I agree with you. I really wanted this bike. It feels like they tried to copy Aprilia a bit by making a bike in a weird category. But imo they failed. It's costs as much as a z900 but with less power. It's a super sport that doesn't super sport. Even at it's costs it's not that great as a beginner bike. Who is this bike really for? It's a really cool bike but anyone who wants it would be better served on so many other bikes for the price.

@@trsskater It does everything a supersport does except sending ur self 150mph on the highway

@@FtdBroKenCyde My problem is the horse power. It's more the torque. The it is a torquey bike but at the price you can get a lot more torque. If you want to cosplay as a racer with a bike that looks like a super sport but is actually for street riding then it will be good for that. But you can still do so much better for the money. And if you like to wind a bike out a proper super sport will still give you more torque especially if you don't live in a city and have more open roads or do high riding frequently. Zx6r will hit a quarter mile is 10.6 seconds vs r7 with 11.6 seconds. And both bikes cost nearly the same with the quick shifter added.

Good Luck my mate, I also have the MT 07 from 2016 , love the bike. Enjoy it and stay rubber side down!!

What's an OC ?

I've ridden dirt all my life and started out with an XSR700(Same as MT07) for the street and it's been good to me so far, just gotta have a brain and respect the throttle and practice. The torque is great around town and pulling out of corners, the upright seating position is comfortable for longer rides and nimble in town and I can use all the power.

I’m 18 and I’ve got the 2020 Mt07 amazing bike just got an exhaust for it lol

@@GSXR_Jake Update: I had my MSF course the first weekend of November, and went to the DMV the following week. I now have my full endorsement, and my '21 MT-07, and nearly 2,500 miles down already. I'm loving life on 2 wheels (:

Yeah idk if ur r3 would go 140mph down a highway bro my ninja 400 doesn’t even 🤣🤣

@@PabloM5 I was referring to the SV. It's got a lot of down low torque but not a huge top speed. But I'm not interested in a bike with a huge top speed because I'm not interested in doing freeway pulls. I want that usable power for the twisties and to get out of iffy situations

Sv650 owner my track bike and it’s still my favorite bike!

Zx6r

Yea an additional $2,300 will get ya a lot.

@@chaseontwowheels I will say the R7 might be an interesting used option in a could years. I suspect they will sell for 4-6K used.

@@chaseontwowheels An R7 with $2,300 dumped into it still wont compete with RS660.

@@dancarlos1216 I am pretty sure he meant you get a lot more for your money with the RS660.

No idea why Yamaha didn't do that instead

@@tormado I think because this bike will appeal to a much wider market. Everyone in the US aswell as for people in Europe. The engine is this bike will also meet the A2 license power figures and there’s very few high CC sport bikes on the A2 license.

boy are you happy now...

@@brianpogasic9872 Better late than never!

Kia ora! That's awesome man. Would love the experience to ride a bike in another country. Getting pretty bored of the flat plains in Australia haha

Just great, and here i am riding my yamaha r15, just a 155 cc bike with 19 bhp of power😂😂

Also sorry for using your name Chase. I thought it was really creative and original (all credit to you my friend).

It's the eastern US. Our mountains are a bit older, but still fun. That said, I've seen a few places three I am looking forward to riding through.

I have a Z900 and it’s amaaaaaazing. So much torque

I have a ZH2. 100% beginner bike. You definitely will not yeet yourself off a cliff at 150mph in 6th gear

It is

Depends on your style! I have no issues commuting on my r6 😁

me too

Same

Totally agree.

Twin cylinder engine bikes are just so much more practical and useful for the street than an inline four engine bike.

@@O.World_RR Exactly, I'm from Europe aswell, maybe on the US it makes more sense although I dont get it, more options is always better for everyone. I started on a 250 dirtbike, then I got my R6, if I can do it, everyone can as well, the idea that 600cc are killer bikes that are impossible to manage and have fun with, that are encumberesome to ride, I dont agree and shouldn't dictate the market and people's choices. It's a sad time and even sadder it's fact nobody gives a damn. ^#%@* PC culture

@@O.World_RR Exactly mate, I agree 100% with you. And if you check chase's new video where he tests the R7 for street use, it has the same problems that the R6 has but in my opinion none and absolutely none of the r6 advantages. The bike heats up like a supersport, it causes back pain and sore wrists. So honestly what's the !#$@ing point??? Miles per gallon? You re absolutely right, it's a bike for people that only care about looks, and not to ride an incredible machine that was the R6

Do you even hear yourself talking? "The market" is what makes these things, people don´t want stupid supersports that only make like 30 HP below 10k RPM, they want broad torque curves that are actually usable. Besides only a tiny percentage of people can use the R6´s components, so pls stop only simping about specsheets

@@redo1dr if that is your opinion I respect it, but not everyone thinks like you, that's why we have different opinions, now they took that option from us. Just because you dont enjoy riding supersports doesn't mean everyone else doesn't

@@TheBRUNY1998 Yes that's right, though i stated what we observe happening right now and how the market changes, not really my opinion. More of an explanation i guess...

TL;DR : R7 leaves the R6 from the light. R6 slowly builds up rev. R7 seems like it's doing good! R6 hits powerband and then destroys the R7 before the finish line!

@@chaseontwowheels well we’d love to see a video of that 😂 no one has done one yet

Trust me man if I knew of a way to make that happen I would 100% do it!

R7 engine fun, ninja 650 engine absolutely boring. R7 engine is head and shoulders above the kawasaki engine

@@metalmoto3275 it’s not just about the Engine for me. I know that the CP2 is awesome, I wrote a Mt07 with the same engine. It’s about all the details, positioning, display, weight, movement all of that. I can’t test drive both of the maschines until next March right where the season begins, so it would be awesome to see a little comparison:)

@@Frebbel ahhh I see. The r7 with be more hunched over and a sport position. The ninja 650 will be more upright and comfortable for commuting if that helps

only in a straight line

@@teteakhiangte6015 if the power difference between the two bikes was small then this would be true. If the R6 only made 15 or 20 bhp more than the R7 you would be right. Unfortunately the difference is massive. The R7 is so much slower than the R6 that comparing them is wrong. You should compare the R7 to the SV650 and Ninja 650. It doesn't and can't compete with the R6.

@@jimtitchmarsh3786 have you seen the lap times by pro riders.

@@teteakhiangte6015 yes! At the TT the 600's are about a minute faster. Have you compared the two bikes? Do you have and racing experience? I raced bikes for 9 years and know the difference between a 650 3 cylinder and a 600 4 cylinder.

@@jimtitchmarsh3786 lol. 90% of the people buying r6 and r7 are not gonna race at isle of man and also a sprint . Im just a simple guy loving motorcycling since i was 15 year old, now living in my late 30's. Seems like you have more experience than me. Good for you.

They do multiple runs...

What exactly do you mean you don't trust fairings?

@@wheeliehutjr thanks for the question, the thing about fairings is that for people like me that drop bikes a lot, they become a terrible cost, there is a person I work with that had to get rid of his Honda just because the fairings got damaged in an accident. Also I can not imagine the nightmare of pulling of fairings for a simple thing like for example checking a spark plugs.

yep

definitely ZX6R

The R7 is just gonna feel like a 400 with a a bit more power….Zx-6r is going to be heavier, thicker, and a whole lot faster … R7 is gonna easier to handle… just depends on what u tryna spend honestly

If u buy an r7 over any inline 4 600 you're going to regret it. That shit will never keep up with any supersports in its cc class.

the peak torque numbers aren't far, they are like 3 nm ou 4 nm difference

@@oreimarcio the torque curves are considerably different

Probably, personally i think less is better I'd take the R7 Also the rs660's got 100hp, I'm riding 48hp at the moment and can hardly wring out the motor. Meaning 72hp would technically be contraproductive. But I'd also only take the R7 for looks and engine sound.

@@Daniel-dj7fh I'm a fan of a raw no rider aids bike like the R7. Reminds me when I started on a Ninja 250. I say I'd take the RS660 because I've been riding for over 11 years so 100bhp isn't a big deal for me. I'm saying that the R7 is over 8k and is bare bones with abs. While the RS660 is just over 10k and comes with tons of tech and features an what I like most the dash and the looks of the bike.

I dont understand how can people justify paying 9k to a new bike which comes with basically nothing compared to rs660 and not paying 11k for the aprilia which has everything. if the bike made more power like r6 then maybe but it make 30 less hp and costs almost as much as the rs660. idk seems so wrong.

@@abyedrikn I imagine people buying the R7 over the Aprilia maybe a cost thing. They may not have over 10k to spend or say your credit is shit may not be able to finance the Aprilia. Or people are getting the R7 for the reliability that Yamaha provides. Plus Yamaha did deliver a great commuter bike that has sportbike styling for a good price.

@@abyedrikn 30hp is not worth 2k imo, you could get a flash for the r7 and probably also get 100hp for no where near that money. If hp is all you care about. Personally, I couldn't care less if the bike has a quickshifter, wheelie control, a colorful screen, a fancy brand name. Especially if none of that actually looks nice, most companies tend to make their tft screens look like ass.

Nope. Not paid by any OEM. Just really enjoy motorcycles.

yeah man that was a legendary bike. yamaha should have at least kept the option to choose.

Totally agree but you know people are going to compare the hell out of them.

Yea they will and then the r6 will be forever lost because it's not road usable like r7 but it is what it is I love that i4

there’s an r9?

@@RubyXIII Yes

And the Himalayan mountains in Nepal and China laughs at you at an elevation of 28,000ft+

It's a total wannabe of a SS bike. Just look at the cheapass price.

@@elonmust7470 well, price does not make a superbike or else the GS1250 would be faster than the speed of light lol. I understand that it’s a could introduction into sportbikes for beginner drivers but i just cannot replace the R6.

Umm, yeah. It costs 4K more, so obviously it's going to be an improvement.

@@opmike343 Aside from that captain obvious, I specified the “RS” aka the variant specifically optimized for track and technical riding while maintaining streetability.

You might want to check it’s seat height, it’s taller than the R1 and a few inches higher than the MT07.

@@richardroberts3416 she sat on it. It's thinner so it works better than the r1

dam Im 5'9 and i cant stand flat footed on my R7..She might have a tuff time..Unless she can get it lowered

@@brianalan4436 I mean, im 5'9" and I'm not flat foot on either my 636 or 899

The zx6r is also a street bike you can track. The engine is just concepted for track, and not very practical for the road

@@Daniel-dj7fh yes its “supposedly” a street bike but the power plant is the same as the r6 a high revving inline four we both can agree that it’s not practical for the road. So R7 it is! Hahah

@@eddverdillo2589 I mean, I'd personally go R7, because it's more useable. But if you want a zx6r, go get it.

@@Daniel-dj7fh i just like the sound of the engine. Hahahaha. Usable torque is better than horse power and top speed.

@@eddverdillo2589 Yea, I wish I could get my hands on a kawasaki zx25r. Also has an Inline4, would be an amazing bike

How have you found the difference? Are you a fan of the R7?

@@reubendouds the difference is even bigger than I originally thought. I learned to ride nearly 20 years ago on a ZX6 inline 4. And the guy the taught me had significant track time. So I guess when riding sport bikes I had been using modified track techniques even on the street. So on the 636 I typically shift my butt over to the inside of a turn. Then I brake and learn my upper body until I hit tip-in speed. At that point I use the throttle to hold the line. Then I hit the throttle a little bit and the bike pops straight up. No real muscle at all, other than shifting my weight. All made possible by the top heavy inline 4. So contrast that with the R7. The weight is even lower than I had thought. It is very "flickable" for weaving in and out of traffic. But even slight shifts in my weight (shifting my butt to the inside) can cause a bobble in stability. And relying on the throttle to maintain your lean, or adjust your lean, is not as effective. And it has to be more muscled out of the lean. I can't just blip the throttle and pop it up. All related to the fact that it doesn't have that high center of gravity wanting to get into a straight upright position. I have found on the R7, on the street, that maintaining the best speed through turns doesn't involve the outside inside outside technique. It's more picking the correct line with much less braking and not getting near a knee dragging lean. It's hard to explain, but I do have a KZfaq channel launching soon that will explain all that I'm talking about with video. As far as being a fan of the R7, contrary to what you might think from the above paragraphs, I do love it. It serves the purpose of why I brought it. I am abnormally tall above the waist. 6'2" with a 30" inseam. On a naked bike, with no wind screen, I act like a parachute and all my weight ends up distributed towards the back. The wind screen and fairings of the R7 keep that from happening. Start and stop downtown riding is just as brutal on the hands and wrists as the ZX6. But I rode from Panama City Beach to Destin nonstop with no pain. That was more than I had expected and exactly what I was looking for. So, yes, I am a big fan of the R7. But riding it on the street, and riding a ZX6 at the track is not a good idea. So that is a little disappointing.

yes 110% keep in mind gearing in trans and sprocket is probably different 🤷‍♂️