Thanks again Darren👍 Kid Box or City Box is a great tip. Glad you stayed for the ending, sometimes you just want to drive...🙌

Hey Just Luke, thanks for commenting! It's easy to discount the Up! GTI due to its on paper stats which are nothing special until you look at the weight which most people don't. You also have to be prepared to grab it by the scruff of its neck to get the most out of it which most people won't have the chance to do but even driven steadily there are still smiles to had 😁

Totally agree Just Luke.

Just Luke you bet..... best car I’ve ever owned was my 2001 Lupo GTI. I’ve had many faster cars over the last 23 years since I sold the Lupo... but not one of them has made a lasting impression like the Lupo. I would love to find a mint condition 6speed Lupo GTI.... if I could I’d snap it up

Me too!

I think it's incredible value & frankly *for a lot of people* will make the Up! GTI look expensive with it's generally spartan feel and compromises (unlined boot, no one touch windows, no reach adjustment of steering column, drum brakes etc). But the Up! GTI's basic nature means it's light which means it's unexpectedly fast and big fun so you pays your money and takes your choice, both are good but only one is a bit special 😁

Guess it's pays your money and makes your choice.

Logically the Up! GTI doesn't make sense especially when compared to the Ibiza, a car which shares the same build and design integrity as all VW Group cars but offers so much more. However, if you get the Up! on the right road all those failings just melt away because there is nothing to touch it on a B road. It's like the best old school hot hatch, just without the rust. Look at the compromises you'd have with a Mk2 Golf GTI and yet they are going for the same money as the Up! GTI so again logic is bypassed in the name of sentimentality (and investability). And a Mk1 Golf GTI wouldn't see which way an Up! GTI went, has numerous failings (brakes!!) and is a lot more than a good used Up! GTI. However there are loads of sensible cars competing for your £12k much like the Ibiza, the Up! is there for people who don't want to be too sensible and has a niche audience. The Ibiza aims for a mainstream audience and does a great job but loses the sparkle which defines the Up! GTI alebit at the expense of so many other niceties 👍

Ibiza is definitely more sensible but who wants to be sensible?😜

Thanks Rob!

As someone else pointed out those, no Ibiza Cupra yet but there is a 200 PS A1 to do battle with the Polo GTI (but no S1)

Great Sam, that was what I was hoping to achieve :)

It's definitely come on a lot with this gen car. I can't see the Audi A1 being worth the significant extra outlay. Not even bothering to mention Polo.

Thanks Daniel! You won't be disappointed, it's not perfect by any means but what it does offer easily makes up for it's flaws and all cars have some.

Hi Keith, what have they commented on, the video, or the fact the Ibiza FR shouldn't be overlooked when considering an Up! GTI?

@@volkswizard Members 340 1,203 posts Location:North Car:Citigo Monte Carlo MK3.5 Octavia VRS Report post Posted 8 December, 2018 (edited) On ‎08‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 15:32, vrskeith said: Pays your money and takes your choice I guess . New Seat Ibiza FR Sport with 7 Speed DSG @ £19000 without any discount applied, that's about £4k up on the Up GTi and you obviously wanted the DSG. hardly a direct comparison imo Think the Suzuki Swift Sport is better value than the Seat. I paid £14.3k for one. With spare and Pano roof. Brand new! its a better car than the UP! 100%. Just paying for the badge. The UP GTi is a decent car, just small things that let it down. Your video above regards the Micra isn’t really a comparison with the UP either to be honest. Drove the Swift, didn’t like it. Engine was horrendously loud as it has a tiny boot. The Ibiza it’s is he best of the bunch in my opinion. Have a test drive. You’ll soon make the jump to the Seat Defenderben Uber Member Members 675 1,903 posts Car:CItigo SE & Transit Connect Report post Posted 8 December, 2018 (edited) At least it looks like the Ibiza FR sport gets rear disks, unlike the Up GTi with the same drums as the rest of the Up/Mii/Citigo range, which to me is poor Edited 8 December, 2018 by Defenderben FREEDOM 22,344 20,789 posts Location:Essex, UK Car:Green Fabia, brisk Yeti and some others... Report post Posted 10 December, 2018 (edited) On ‎09‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 11:55, Tim1631 said: People have jumped on the band wagon, thinking they have a brilliant car. It’s an ok car. I wouldn’t class it as brilliant. It’s good as it’s got no direct competition. It’s flawed and it’s had corners cut with the lack of equipment. As you say. Each to their own. This isn’t my only car either (I won’t mention my other cars to try and show off ) and use the UP (well Ibiza now) as a commuter car. The boot is tiny in the UP, rear space isn’t that great, I have two small children. It’s just a cheap car, with corners cut. The headlights are terrible, absolutely shocking it’s nearky 2019 and a tip of the range car still having halogens is beyond me. The seats. Yes they’re heated but that’s it, theyre the sane seats you get in a basic UP/MII/Citigo. Im personally disappointed with the car. Each to their own.... I really like the idea of the UP! GTI but I already have a Monte Carlo Citigo. Like you, I have other vehicles to use, but I find I use the Citigo most of the time due to it's size/economy and lack of realistic depreciation. As a daily for running to work, and sometimes moving the family at weekends I find the boot adequate, space fine for a family of 4 as both kids under 10 and it drives fine. When you consider the price, I can't say I have any concerns with the equipment or tech. We are dealing with cheap cars here. It's easy to spend £30k+ on a top of the range Skoda these days. It's not the best car ever, but it might just be the best car for around £15k or less unless you want something more mainstream. You can spend an extra £10k on a Fiesta!! Edited 10 December, 2018 by BossFox

Good guess but no, it crosses the M42 near J3. Don't want to encourage people to drive it as it's a bit tricky and has a caravan park on it which means cars towing caravans lumber their way north towards M42 J3 using 1.5 lanes and flash their lights at me for driving on the right side within the speed limit. You can't win in those situations so best to avoid it, I away reccee in both directions and for faster drives, go north so caravans are ahead of me, not coming towards me.

Thanks Darren! I gather a new Up! is due in 2020 so sit tight. Blaming emission for it going off sale initially seemed odd as Up! GTI was WLTP approved but it's possible the rest of the range wasn't and not worth testing all the various combinations just to revise the range a short time later. And they can't just make the GTI on its own. Lets hope the new one retains its identity but deals with some of the bits that can be improved👍

8.8 secs Up! GTI 9.3 secs Ibiza FR 1.0 TSI 115 PS manual (they do offer a DSG which I'd love to try)

Listen to the video, as Andrew tells you.

Sure the 150 would be nuts especially with DSG but this video is only relevant because the two cars have basically the same engines and even thene people are moaning about them not being the same class of car 🙄

Were you able to find one? They have removed the 1.5 from sale for new models, I wanted it in the Polo but had to go for the 1.0 115 instead.

6.25 out of 10 on 17" wheels, Up! GTI is 8. The two cars ride completely different. Ibiza is must more composed and doesn't appear to be crashy and bangy like the Up! with potholes. It's a totally different platform but do have a long test drive. Beware the FR Sport is on 18s which are too big.

Thanks Ian! No, not sold yet, not advertised yet! Saturday went like this - 830am customer views a car. 10am I view and then send payment for Up! GTI. 1050am Get back to work 1115am another customer views a car. 12 noon Up! GTI owner drops off car as payment has cleared. 130pm second viewer sets off in car that he's just bought. I finally get my lunch then I start preparing to film and eventually start filming. 1830 ish I stop. Home for 7pm then editing until around 11pm. 1130 start upload to KZfaq. Sleep. 8am Sunday upload completes! So no time to market the car yet apart from a single photo ad on Autotrader. Hopefully tomorrow I will get more info online 👍

@@volkswizard busy weekend!

Hey Marc, I've done more than you can ever imagine with Corrado VR6s back in the day, 3 consecutive project cars for a start, one I was track daying. Would love to review a totally original car as it's the only classic VW I get excited about as they drive SO well. www.volkswizard.co.uk/carsforsale/n950yhp.htm

@@volkswizard I cant view the pictures for some reason I have messaged you on your facebook page. I am part of a group with members who are fairly local to you

@@marcvanweert85 Sadly the photos are long gone from that very old page. There are a few Corrados around here, Ian Saxton is the top man I know.

@@volkswizard ah yes I know of him. Is that your car he has?

I don't blame you, Up! GTI prices are still ridiculous. I only was into them when they were new as they offered good VFM but now they are old, often abused and out of warranty, not really worth all the compromises they come with

This where I got my stats from; 1140 kg for Ibiza www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/seat/seat-ibiza-10-tsi-fr-2017-review/ 1070kg for Up! GTI www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-up-gti-2018-review/ evo magazine always state the Up! GTI is 995kg so hard to be sure what's what apart from the Up! is definitely lighter to some degree and feels it but the Ibiza feels lighter than you'd expect on the road. Gearing is I am pretty sure a lot shorter in the Up! and yet doesn't feel short in isolation so the Ibiza is hampered for emissions I think. Both will clip 60 in 2nd so it doesn't help the 0-60 time of the Ibiza. I really need to try the DSG as that might be just perfect as an urban based all rounder.

Thanks Roberto!

Thanks. I see that a lot in adverts and do worry for people as they'd never put their address in the advert. As a business however I don't have any choice apart from to have suitable levels of security, keys never left on site, gates kept closed as a matter of course (and a big dog🤣)

@@volkswizard You do have the benefit of houses around and they would hopefully alert Police if they saw/hear anything untoward.

@@volkswizard not to mention an attack cat by the name of Toby.

@@JimboJammy He attacked the guard dog, and won!

Haven't got emojis available right now so :)

Up! GTI as it's lighter

@@volkswizard wow LOL

I can see why you'd be happy with either and why you'd prefer the SEAT, no bad choice to be had here!

I did used to be a skateboarder and haven't completely lost the vocab🤙

Tell me about it! I promoted Up! GTI as it was good value then. PEOPLE, IT ISNT GOOD VALUE TODAY SO DONT BUT ONE 😆👍

@@volkswizard i am going to wait a couple of years. A 5 year old Up GTI should be around 8k now. Not 13k!

I think young drivers will go for the 1.0 and be chuffed with it - in fact this car was sold to a young lad as his first car, that would never happen with 150 PS so it has a solid market

Just buying a 1.0 haha from a Gti gonna be slow oh well hard to find them in 1.5

I'm 40 years of age and would definitely go for a 1.0T over the 1.5 purely for petrol costs

My source Joe works at a main dealership and is party to more accurate information than the media so I have faith in what he's said so fingers crossed🤞

@@volkswizard Okey! Interesting indeed. I'm thinking of selling my up TSI-17 and buy the new Polo but maybe I'll wait a bit then.. ;)

I'm normally touchy about interiors and yes the plastics are a bit suspect but there is enough to distract in the Ibiza. I can't imagine A1 feels any better, this is certainly not far off the old A1.

@@volkswizard yeah, for sure. I've no doubt it's well made, it's just the actual lines and layout of the design itself which I find totally impersonal. Car interior design is not doing it for me at all right now. Almost an extra plus of the Up! is that there's so little of it to complain about... Well except the red pixels. Although that's growing on me. Wow, this comment is too long - sorry!

lol they are the same price and same engine and therefore sufficient for a comparison on my channel

Good info Maverick, thanks! You can also have the keyless entry bit deactivated permanently via VCDS if you feel better about that. The biggest issue for me is that putting a key in an ignition slot is the perfect way not to lose it and you always know where it is - though I hop in and out of a lot of cars so possibly less of an issue if you have just one

volkswizard i only have one car with keyless entry and start at the moment, found it a bit odd at first must admit, occasionally i still go for an ignition barrel 😂 I would have gladly had a car without it to be fair, not one of those must have options for me, don’t think i would disable it though as i wouldn’t be able to start the car at all 😂👍🏻 I will be looking for a nice spec Up Gti or an Audi S1 in the very near future, love the up but the prices they are holding the S1 seems better value for a wee bit more money Any plans to do an S1 review?

Don't you think the fact you can buy a car in the next class up with same drivetrain, similar performance, effectively the same manufacturer, superior equipment levels for virtually the same price is not worthy of exploration? 30k views seem to think it is

Polo GTI is 200 PS Ibiza is 115, you think that's a fairer test?

Seat should make there cars faster then, because car size wise that's fair