Is the Truth of the Trinity Found in Scripture?

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Bishop Robert Barron

Bishop Robert Barron

15 жыл бұрын

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@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 15 жыл бұрын
This is Fr. Barron. I wonder whether I could jump in here. I just think that this kind of debate is a total non-starter. Why don't we all agree that human beings are a bad lot? Atheists can endlessly bring up examples of religious people acting badly, and believers can endlessly bring up examples of atheists acting badly. As Paul said, "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." We've all done bad things; now let's get back to more constructive argument.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 12 жыл бұрын
@grozde But that isn't true at all! As Dostoevsky noted, once God is denied, anything becomes possible. If there is no God, which is to say, no ultimate criterion of right and wrong, everything becomes, in principle, permissable. Look at the most monstrous regimes of the twentieth century--Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia--and you'll see th truth of this adage played out.
@brotherwait
@brotherwait 3 жыл бұрын
Isa 44:6 NKJV is understood using the "Us" in Ezek 44:6 NKJV and John 14:16 NKJV.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 11 жыл бұрын
Come on, friend. The Bible doesn't speak of Protestant ministers either! The doctrine of the Trinity is implicit in the Scriptures and becomes explicit through the development of doctrine that takes place in the great tradition. The clearest Biblical ground for the Trinity is the claim in 1 John that God is love. If God truly "is" love, then there must be within the divine unity a play of lover, beloved, and love. When you unpack that statement, you find the doctrine of the Trinity.
@SmalltimR
@SmalltimR 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing is more important than truth. Only the truth can make men free. Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." (John 8: 32) Error will only further enslave, but truth makes men free! The wise man said, "Buy the truth and sell it not." (Prov. 23:23) Truth is supreme in its value. We can afford to pay whatever it costs and when once we possess it, we cannot afford to take any price for it. The importance and necessity of it should be always exalted in our hearts. There is no substitute for truth. It can be replaced only with error. Nothing else is "just as good as truth". Yet even in spiritual matters that concern the soul, we are often told that we should accept a substitute for the truth for something else is just as good. Truth is always consistent. It is never out of harmony with truth. There is no contradiction in truth. Whenever an apparent contradiction seems to exist, it is because we do not know the whole truth. There are not two correct answers to the same problem or question. When there is a variance, both cannot be right. Truth is always narrow. Every kind of truth is narrow. Mathematical truth is narrow. Two and two make exactly four - no more, no less, and whoever says they make anything else is wrong. There are thousands of numbers that two and two do not make (error is broad) and only one that they do make - truth is narrow.
@canderssonswedican7486
@canderssonswedican7486 4 жыл бұрын
@@SmalltimR Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God } saith, Thy throne, O God {Theos}, is, forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. The Holy Spirit applies this to Jesus in (Hebrews) and to The Father in (Psalm 45:6). Psalm 45:6 Your throne, O God, will last, forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Deuteronomy 6:13-14 {Holy Spirit said worship only God.} "You shall fear only the LORD your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name. “You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you, Luke 4:8 {Jesus reminds satan only God is to be worshiped} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve. Hebrews 1:6 {the Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Daniel 7:13-14, (The Father decrees all will worship him) In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.” Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28, 29 {Thomas calls Jesus God}{ o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου …..Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Romans 9:5 {The Holy Spirit thru Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Titus 2:13 Titus 3:4-7 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man: John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit thru John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word . Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. En arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton Theon kai theos en ho Logos He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, John 1:9-10 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Acts 20:28 {The Holy Spirit thru Luke calls Jesus God} Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 2 Peter 1:1 {The Holy Spirit thru Peter calls Jesus God} Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: 2 Peter 1:11 "for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.," 2 Peter 2:20 "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first," 2 Peter 3:18 "but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen," Jude 4,5 (The Holy Spirit thru Jude calls Jesus God) For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. Isaiah 7:14 {The Holy Spirit thru the prophets calls Jesus God} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Matthew 1:23 (The Holy Spirit thru Matthew defines the name Immanuel, Jesus is GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Revelation 1:8, 22:13, 16 (Jesus claims to be GOD) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last… I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 4:7 (after satan tempts Jesus, Jesus states) Jesus said to him again, 'It hath been written, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.' Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. And Yet God is one Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Deuteronomy 5:7 You shall have no other gods before me. So who is HE? GOD? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLWfiNmfyt-pZYU.html Psalm 119:18 Open my eyes to see wonderful things in your Word. In His service,
@johnbee1069
@johnbee1069 4 жыл бұрын
@@canderssonswedican7486 All of those proof-text have been debunked thoroughly numerous times over in the past - the trinity is nothing but a lie of antiquity and all who cast human philosophies onto others instead of God's written word end-up doing doing Satan's work rather than God's will.
@canderssonswedican7486
@canderssonswedican7486 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnbee1069 No they haven't, tell me who raised Jesus from the dead?
@johnbee9957
@johnbee9957 4 жыл бұрын
@@canderssonswedican7486 Just because you've been blinded doesn't mean the truth cannot be known - you've been lied-to, and Satan has turned you into his agent as a result - as for your question, the Bible gives the answer; 𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚝𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚠𝚊𝚢 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚖𝚎, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚕𝚊𝚢 𝚒𝚝 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏. 𝙸 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚕𝚊𝚢 𝚒𝚝 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚐𝚊𝚒𝚗. 𝙸 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚖𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚖𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷0.𝟷𝟾 To which I'd add, why would Jesus need His Father to command Him to raise Himself up again? Well as it turns out, you do not know your own false doctrine, as the trinity teaches than Jesus on earth was not God, but a mortal man who could do nothing of His own self. Therefore and with that being said, the truth prevails against the trinity, as each and every false proof-text from Satan, falls before the written word of God - and so go ahead, post your so-called proof-texts, so that the truth of God may be revealed for all to see.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 15 жыл бұрын
The short answer is that Fred Phelps is a fundamentalist Protestant who has dared to interpret the Bible according to his own very limited lights. If he had stayed within the Church--disciplined by Augustine, Origen, Chrysostom, Thomas Aquinas, John Henry Newman, and the magisterium of the Popes--he would have known better.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 15 жыл бұрын
Well how else could it emerge? The Trinity is not a truth accessible to reason alone; it had to have been revealed. And, for Christians, the record of revelation is the Bible. Further, the Bible has to be appropriated and interpreted, and this happens in the community of discourse called the church. I mean, you can reject all of revelation if you want, but within the context of revelation, I don't see how any of this is "angels on pinheads."
@retsea1
@retsea1 12 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of this paradigm of the man in a flood. When waters rose, his neighbors warned him to leave, but he said he wouldn't cause God would save him. They rose to the second floor of his house and man came by in a boat; still he denied aid. They worsened so that he had to climb to the roof, and still he denied a helicopter. When he died and asked God why he wasn't saved, God said, "I sent neighbors, a boat, and a helicopter." Some people just won't see it.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 12 жыл бұрын
Nonsense! The explicit doctrine isn't there, but the implicit grounds for it are everywhere in the New Testament. "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
@jeffkeniston8506
@jeffkeniston8506 5 жыл бұрын
In the book of acts they baptized in the name of Jesus, Only
@rayc5577
@rayc5577 4 жыл бұрын
That really doesn’t validate the trinity doctrine tho. ...Like I maybe part of a board but that doesn’t make me the chairman
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
"Fred Phelps knows his Bible. He believes it. He acts according to God's revealed word. " ::sigh:: He is acting according to his own *personal interpretation* of the bible alone.
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind we believe the Church is much more than simply a collection of people. It is the bride of Christ. He has re-breathed His life back into her into such a strong way that She, sacramentally, is the visible presence of God. The 'people' of the church are born again with God's heart and spirit within Her.
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
"...incoherent compilation of documents...Who's interpretation is "true"? " You are talking to Catholics, not followers of Bible Alone. We trust the Church's interpretation when she speaks with authoritatively (councils/pope). Here are some historical claims: -Jesus existed -He selected 12 leaders -Those leaders selected successors through the laying on of hands. -This succession continues today in the bishops of the Catholic Church. Please study Catholic doctrine of Apostolic Succession.
@havock89
@havock89 15 жыл бұрын
There is no future tense to the statement. We know from scripture that God resides outside time and space (eternity) and that all moments of time are His present.
@havock89
@havock89 15 жыл бұрын
I can agree with you. Both are true in my opinion.
@retsea1
@retsea1 12 жыл бұрын
The problem with the Trinity is that people who read the Bible won't accept it because there isn't a clean cut to it. Even though the Spirit is mentioned way back in Genesis, even though God says 'us' way back in Genesis, and even though Christ has constantly referenced himself as the Son, El Shaddai as the Father, and told his disciples about Spirit (he says the Spirit revealed his identity to Peter and told Paul that the Spirit would guide his tongue). (contd)
@canderssonswedican7486
@canderssonswedican7486 4 жыл бұрын
Is Jesus GOD? Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God } saith, Thy throne, O God {Theos}, is, forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. The Holy Spirit applies this to Jesus in (Hebrews) and to The Father in (Psalm 45:6). Psalm 45:6 Your throne, O God, will last, forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Deuteronomy 6:13-14 {Holy Spirit said worship only God.} "You shall fear only the LORD your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name. “You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you, Luke 4:8 {Jesus reminds satan only God is to be worshiped} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve. Hebrews 1:6 {the Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Daniel 7:13-14, (The Father decrees all will worship him) In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.” Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28, 29 {Thomas calls Jesus God}{ o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου …..Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Romans 9:5 {The Holy Spirit thru Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Titus 2:13 Titus 3:4-7 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man: John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit thru John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word . Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. En arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton Theon kai theos en ho Logos He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, John 1:9-10 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Acts 20:28 {The Holy Spirit thru Luke calls Jesus God} Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 2 Peter 1:1 {The Holy Spirit thru Peter calls Jesus God} Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: 2 Peter 1:11 "for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.," 2 Peter 2:20 "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first," 2 Peter 3:18 "but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen," Jude 4,5 (The Holy Spirit thru Jude calls Jesus God) For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. Isaiah 7:14 {The Holy Spirit thru the prophets calls Jesus God} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Matthew 1:23 (The Holy Spirit thru Matthew defines the name Immanuel, Jesus is GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Revelation 1:8, 22:13, 16 (Jesus claims to be GOD) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last… I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 4:7 (after satan tempts Jesus, Jesus states) Jesus said to him again, 'It hath been written, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.' Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. And Yet God is one Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Deuteronomy 5:7 You shall have no other gods before me. So who is HE? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLWfiNmfyt-pZYU.html Psalm 119:18 Open my eyes to see wonderful things in your Word. In His service,
@Entropy3ko
@Entropy3ko 15 жыл бұрын
If you knew the history of Medieval inquisition at first did not use any torture or death penalty. Only later on, with pressures from the lay authority, especially Emperor Frederick II, it was introduced. The torture and death penalty was very rarely used. In the medieval and roman Inquisition the rate of people condemn to death were perhaps 5-6 % as historical documents prove. Another case is the Spanish inquisition who was directed by the King of Spain and ws largely condemned by Rome.
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
UnBeguiled, "But why do you do that? You have no reliable method. It's all just fables and superstition. " I disagree. Please rewatch Fr. Barron on the KZfaq heresies, especially on people like you who demand Catholics read the bible in a literalist manner. Also, the bible is not be read cover to cover in the same manner. Some books are literal, some are poetic. Also, we do have a method. Church hierarchy. Apostolic succession.
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
Unbeguiled, Also, you would fall under apostate, not heretic. Could you post a list of names of individuals burned at the stake for simply professing that they don't believe there is a God?
@CamdenChristadelphia
@CamdenChristadelphia 14 жыл бұрын
I think its more to the point that Constantine was the catalyst for the trinity coming in after the fact and we all know what his motive was. If you use the surmise that those who spoke on behalf of God were in fact God and therefore part of the Trinity then you must include the angels, the judges, the prophets, the apostles and all those who speak the TRUTH of GOD. The TRINITY is starting to go well beyond 3 beings, so much so that "TRINITY" is a very understated term.
@paulywauly6063
@paulywauly6063 7 жыл бұрын
Did constantine write articles on the trinity ?????? NO He didn't Did no-one write anything about the trinity before him ?????? Yes they did Does the bible implicitly mention the trinity ???????. Yes it does I don't surmise that all those that spoke on behalf of God were the trinity , therefor I would NOT need to include judges nor angels nor prophets or any other CREATED being for that matter . You may surmise that , but it doesn't form part of understanding . Christ as it states in John 1:1 is co eternal with God and IS God .
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
Philos Not sure what u r objecting to? Do you have a link to the text, "How to deal with heretics?" Not sure it exists. Did you just cut and paste arguments here w/o checking facts? Aquinas, in the Summa, reasoned that if the execution of forgers and other criminals is moral, then is it not moral for the execution of those who make a forgery of the faith? The church has authoritatively said "No!" to this concept. He is rightly a doctor and saint, but wrong on a few issues like this one.
@havock89
@havock89 15 жыл бұрын
But that is a very blinkered view of reality. The overwhelming majority of evil done in the world is complelty denied. We cant even begin to talk about it because it is so pervasive. Attrocities occur on a second by second timeline and we just cant deal with it so we wrap ourselves up in a blanket of denial, and say. "we're good deep down inside!" History is only a fraction of the pasts reality and even that painst a damning picture. The only thing that reforms us is Gods influence.
@Entropy3ko
@Entropy3ko 15 жыл бұрын
Mind you 5-6 % at the worst times. If people would bother learning history from real historians and not from anti-clerical websites perhaps there would be much less confusion in the world
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
Seek and you shall find. We are not stupid or ignorant, just busy. When something Catholic sounds insane (like the 'Church is anti-science'), dig deeper. Put your nose to the grind to get a better answer. Eventually u will find what u need.
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
"So, you think some crimes warrant being burned alive? " -No. And the church has never authoritatively said as such either. As a matter of fact, the only time the church ever spoke with authority on the subject, JPII, was to say no!
@SmalltimR
@SmalltimR 4 жыл бұрын
The Catholic Church revealed itself by punishing and /or killing others for reading God's word in the Bible
@patrickoconnor9700
@patrickoconnor9700 3 жыл бұрын
@@SmalltimR Can you provide sources for that?
@smalltimer4370
@smalltimer4370 3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickoconnor9700 Decree of the Council of Toulouse 1229 CE Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 CE Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 CE Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 CE
@patrickoconnor9700
@patrickoconnor9700 3 жыл бұрын
@@smalltimer4370 Thank you, of course it doesn't represent all Catholic people and what their heart and feelings on the Bible.
@SmalltimR
@SmalltimR 3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickoconnor9700 That is very true
@Entropy3ko
@Entropy3ko 15 жыл бұрын
Mind you it is not my point to say 'it was right to kill' What the point is is historical thruth and not distorted history as often emerges also in some school textbooks many historians now are evaluating again the middle ages and all what happened in those times as there are great many misconceptions and myths about it.
@paulywauly6063
@paulywauly6063 7 жыл бұрын
Thankyou Bishop Barron , these youtube clips tend to attract a lot of criticism , but i really want to let you know that Your youtube clips are awesome and i find them very edifying . Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I for one really appreciate the fact that a bishop is engaging the wider community like this . God Bless and don't stop doing what you do
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Paul. And don't worry about the criticisms. They are par for the course on KZfaq--and they also prove that my videos are getting out way beyond the walls of the Church. I like that.
@paulywauly6063
@paulywauly6063 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bishop , please keep me in your prayers and I will keep you in mine .
@taylornovia8911
@taylornovia8911 9 ай бұрын
Inference is OK in my view
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Jesus is the Messiah The Son of God The Son of David The Son of man The man God has chosen to be his anointed king The man God will judge the world through The man God raised from the dead Jesus has a God There is no triune god in scripture Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. - Acts 3 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. 14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, 15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Notice Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
Well, Jesus established a Church of humans. Nearly everything we know about Jesus comes from this Chruch, who wrote the bible.
@canderssonswedican7486
@canderssonswedican7486 4 жыл бұрын
The Holy Spirit penned all scripture no church wrote it.
@brotherwait
@brotherwait 3 жыл бұрын
Isa 44:6 NKJV is understood using the "Us" in Ezek 44:6 NKJV and John 14:16 NKJV.
@francissweeney7318
@francissweeney7318 Жыл бұрын
The catholics baptize in titles not the name as God instructed. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names. Jesus is the name sa Peter taught. Peter said " baptize in the name of Jesus Christ." Peter knew because he was filled with the Holy Spirit. Those who baptize differently lack the Holy Spirit.
@stevenwebb6253
@stevenwebb6253 11 ай бұрын
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
@hismajesty6272
@hismajesty6272 6 ай бұрын
John 10:30 “the Father and I are one”
@jswranch
@jswranch 15 жыл бұрын
Your definitions are off when talking to Catholics. For a guy who has uploaded so many scholarly 'New Atheism' to you tube, you certainly need to study up here. From the 1983 code of canon law: Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; seems here u are an apostate.
@ewankerr3011
@ewankerr3011 4 жыл бұрын
"The explicit doctrine of the Trinity emerges AFTER the scriptures as the Church reflects upon revelation." So the answer is NO. The doctrine of the Trinity is not found in the Bible. Moses and the prophets knew nothing of a Trinity. The Jews worshiped YHWH who to them was one person. Jesus and his Apostles prayed to and worshiped YHWH.1200 times Jesus is differentiated from God. Twenty times or so the NT says that Jesus has a God. The claim of the Evangelists was that Jesus was the MESSIAH (Christ ) the Son of God , not YHWH himself.
@havock89
@havock89 15 жыл бұрын
I think it is true. Your in denial.
@raoskaos
@raoskaos 14 жыл бұрын
Love is love, and god is god. And 3 isn't 1!!!
@robertkelley230
@robertkelley230 4 жыл бұрын
Your saying God can't be 3 but yet one? Your sadly mistaken, go read Revelation Chapter 4, in Revelation Chapter 4 you will see God is 7, How is this? Because God can be what and who God wants to be and still be one.
@havock89
@havock89 15 жыл бұрын
I disagree about the middle east. Their history their idologies, their religions speak for themselves. This is line of argument is nonsense. The entire human race as been doing what you claim the west has been doing (and far worse atrocities by all accounts) Which adds to my initial argument that all people are evil. Obviously what I consider good and evil and what you consider good and evil are different. Respectfully, we will have to agree to disagree.
@KungPowMeow
@KungPowMeow 15 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the doctrine of the Trinity revealed in Genesis when God talks about making humans in the likeness of "us"?
@canderssonswedican7486
@canderssonswedican7486 4 жыл бұрын
Psalms 33:6 {The Holy Spirit states the word created all} By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear Hebrews 1:10 {The Father admits the Son created all} And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit admits the Word created all} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made John 1:9-10 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Job 26:13 33:4 {Holy Spirit created us} By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Isaiah 42:5 45:18 {God created all things so who is he?} Psalm 104:5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: For this is what the LORD says-he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-he says: “I am the LORD, and there is no other. Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heaven alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Who laid the foundations of the earth, Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God ( 'ĕlôhîym (el-o-heem') Plural ) created the heaven and the earth. Here The Father is portrayed as the creative source of all things. Genesis 1:2 “.. and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” Here, in the second verse of Genesis, the Spirit of God appears as active in the creation process . Genesis 1:3 “Then God said, “Let there be light; and there was light.” The Son, the eternal Word of God, speaks the first of Gods works into existence. John 5:37 {Jesus states we have never heard the Fathers voice } And the father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. SO who spoke to Moses? Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord God! Behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee. Psalm 102:25, "Of old Thou didst found the earth; and the heavens are the work of Thy hands." Acts 4:24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign LORD," they said, "you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLWfiNmfyt-pZYU.html And Yet God is one Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Psalm 119:18 Open my eyes to see wonderful things in your Word. In His Service,
@rayc5577
@rayc5577 4 жыл бұрын
The weakest arguments for the trinity doctrine in one video. Thanks Bishop Barron
@1calmbrady892
@1calmbrady892 5 жыл бұрын
I believe in the trinity but I see it as 3 manifestations the Bible never mentions a trinity the word isn't used but didn't God show himself in 3 persons there's one God one throne but there's 3 distinct views of God now I don't mean to argue this is just what I believe and I feel it's correct God was the creator Jesus was God as a physical person a man like us he humbled himself below the angels and then the Holy spirit is God in his Holy spirit what do you think about this and it even said in the Bible that Jesus and God were the same.
@hoopoe3093
@hoopoe3093 8 жыл бұрын
The Holy Quran denounces Trinity, Allah will punish those who associate with Him to Hell for eternity! God says in the Quran, " Oh People of the Book, commit no excess in your religion! Jesus was a prophet of Allah, do not say TRINITY! Desist!" He and his mother (Mary) ate, so they were mere human beings! Christian , please REPENT!!!
@klovis6796
@klovis6796 7 жыл бұрын
hoopoe bird shut the fuck up
@paulywauly6063
@paulywauly6063 7 жыл бұрын
No my friend , Mohammed didn't even know what the or who the trinity was . He only denounces that which he fails to understand . Oh People of the Book commit no excess in your religion ??????? Oh people of the Quran , your scriptures are not compatible with the Judeo Christian tradition or their books .
@errolrex532
@errolrex532 6 ай бұрын
Allah is the king of hell and without lies, islam dies. Come to Jesus, my friend
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