Is The Tubular Tyre Dead? | Is Tubeless The Way Forward For Pro Cyclists and Amateurs Alike?

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Tubular tyres have long been the preferred choice of professional cyclists, but in recent times the clincher system, especially in the guise of the tubeless tyre, has become increasingly popular. With tubulars becoming less and less popular in the amateur world as well as in professional racing we're asking if this could be the end of the traditional 'sew-up' tyre!
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@mathewrose2951 3 жыл бұрын

Given that I never seem to sell my old bikes, I do hope that these dying technologies like rim brakes and tubs remain available to keep the more vintage side of my garage in good nick.

@hedleykerr3564 3 жыл бұрын

I have ridden and race for 38 years(1982) I started racing and training mostly on tubulars with very few flats and did that for many years! Then in 2010 everybody started talking about how good the new clinchers/open tubulars are. So I switched over so in 3 years I had 21 flats on clinchers! I then went back to training and racing on tubulars only, I have had 4 flats since 2014 I recently went 9700 miles over the last 2 seasons until August of this years I flatted! I ride mostly Vittoria Corsa G+ and Rubino pro G+ I have gotton 3500 miles out of a pair of Corsa's! For me I'm 58 years old and if they are slower as the studies say it is the convenience factor of not flatting! I couldn't even tell you how much time wasted in club rides because of tubeless tire punctures and seal leaks! I always ride with a spare tubular and have helped out a few riders with slashed/ tubeless setup failures! What I mean is putting my spare tubular on their rims so they can make it home! If they are dying out this is one person who will ride them to the end whatever comes 1st!

@ChuckD59 3 жыл бұрын

Why is GCN trying to kill tubs? Why is GCN distorting the benefits of the industry darling, tubeless tires? I can almost see disc brakes being viable, but to me the added complexity (and potentially dead battery) seems pointless. 40 miles from home I need dependability. I raced Cat 4, 3 and then a couple years at Cat. 2 back in the '80s. Nothing but tubular and that's all I'll ride today (Veloflex). Even did a little light touring on them. I bought one the Trek Domanes when they came out in 2013 or so (the 5.2) and it came with "tubeless-ready" Bontragers which I put a few thousand miles on and was unimpressed. They just felt dead. To give the wheels another chance I tried some Veloflex Master 25s and that came pretty close to the tubular feel, but there was always that fear of a high speed blowout (I've heard I'm a fearless descender, probably because my training buddy was an ex downhill skier). I'd experienced a couple 30 -40 mph blowouts on tubs and always was able to brake to a stop and remain upright. Even ride a mile or so to the next convenient place for a roadside repair. After one year I built up a pair of Velocity Deep V Pro Elites and routinely wear out my tubs' treads before having to prematurely toss one due to a puncture.

@hedleykerr3564 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChuckD59 I hear you I get so frustrated with the industry! I have switched my family and some friends over to tubulars with zero issues!

@petebenson5030 3 жыл бұрын

Clincher with tubes require more vigilance around tire (tyre?) pressure or you get pinch flats. Tubeless should have fewer issues, but I have no experience. Back in the day My experience was like yours. Quality sewups lasted a long time and rarely flatted with some care in where I rode.

@criticalthought7527 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChuckD59 I don't think there are any battery powered disc brakes... yet. ;-) With kind regards from a mostly fair weather rider (California) who despises disc brakes for Spirited Road Sport riding. I do like my Schwalbe Pro One road tubeless though, as I stated in another comment.

@sandamalsilva5626 3 жыл бұрын

Well, you forgot to mention comfort and handling. At 53, I'm trying tubulars for the first time. They are indeed very comfortable. And I would say that I've tried a lot of tires over the 35+ years I've ridden road bikes and they are consistently more comfortable. Sometimes I think I'm nursing a flat tire and they're still at 118psi. The cross section of a tubular tire feels great cornering. With all the research going into clinchers, I think the tubular days are over. That's one of the reasons I'm giving them a go. I had to see what all the fuss was about. They are a pain in the butt...but man, they do have a great ride. A bad tubular rides WAY better than a bad clincher. A decent tubular rides as good as good clincher. But, man, my 25mm Veloflex tubs on Campy Boras are unbeatable. Just a great ride.

@murcielago188 3 жыл бұрын

Tubulars all the way. I have been riding for almost 20 years and I have tried all of the systems (clinchers, tubeless and tubes) and without going in the details of their pros and cons, the main reasons for my decision are: at least 300-400 grams lighter, superior ride quality, ability to ride much lower pressures, reliability, significant decrease in the frequency of flats (as long as you do not use the superlight tubulars, I have been with periods of 2-3 years with out a flat at all), in case of flat it is the fastest and easiest way to fix them in 90% of cases with Vittoria pit stop or similar products that has the air and sealer together with out removing and replacing the tire and in the worst case scenario, the tire can be ridden completely flat back home for several miles (slowly and carefully), ease of installation (contrary to popular belief, these can be mounted faster and easier than clinchers. I use carbon wheels and tape, super easy and not messy at all) For all of these reasons my self and the pros will continue to ride tubulars for the foreseeable future IMHO.

@danfuerthgillis4483 Жыл бұрын

Swap out a tubular tire on the side of the road? Lmao 🤣 good luck they are glued! Takes me 5 minutes to swap out a tube tire and back on the road. We don’t all have a backup car with wheels or bikes on top.

@jjschmiedlin8813 Жыл бұрын

@@danfuerthgillis4483 LOL! You can ride a tubular flat all the way home....because it is glued to the rim.

@danfuerthgillis4483 Жыл бұрын

@@jjschmiedlin8813 Good luck with that on a Carbon rim with loss of air where the rim is contacting the ground. There is no team car for us in the real world, that is why I ride clinchers 2 minute swap of tube 2 minute pump on a mini pump that is on my saddle bag, I even carry 2 tubes these days so I can ride all the day. If you know your roads, keep your eyes open for broken glass on the road sections coming up you can avoid these issues. Tubular for racing, other uses just stick with clinchers.

@jjschmiedlin8813 Жыл бұрын

@@danfuerthgillis4483 Oh no, no. I have multiple sets of Zipp carbon tubular rims, and have ridden flats for up to 15 miles from home with not even a scratch on the carbon. WHen the tire deflates, it covers the edges of the rim. No issues. With sealant you would have to hit something substantial to get a flat. All of the tubular flats that I've had were from wearing through the tire's threads. Tubulars are great for training. I had nearly 7k miles on my last pair of Tufo S33's.

@danfuerthgillis4483 Жыл бұрын

@@jjschmiedlin8813 I don't want to deal with gluing my tires, if I have a flat a tube swap and a pump is literally less than 5 minutes with zero gluing or nonsense waiting hours for the tire to glue properly, cleaning the old glue etc. I want cheap and fast turn around time only clinchers can do that.

@champtech8755 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the safety of the tubs and the weight savings will make them to stay in the pros and ex-pros as well. And tubulars are not too hard to get on the wheel, especially with the glue tape available now. If I, a 50+ woman, can do it, I’m sure any guy can do it too.

@chrisjames1924 2 жыл бұрын

I've been using Vittoria Corsa G+ tubs on Campy Bora 50s for 3 years now and they're incredible. I use tape to stick them in, which is easier than fitting a clincher, and punctures are pretty much non existent. I always carry a small bottle of Stans and a tiny little valve core removal tool in case of flats. Don't see why people think they're a hassle, they're not. And crucially as stated in this video, they're much safer if you get a blowout on high speed cornering. Tubeless are messy and way more hassle.

@JMcLeodKC711 3 жыл бұрын

As long as clinchers with inner tubes never go away, I'm cool.

@EM-wd2vg 3 жыл бұрын

Second that, why bother with all that mess when you can just stick in a tube.

@adredy 3 жыл бұрын

@@EM-wd2vg is some day whells are disape.... ~:D

@jackfrost838 3 жыл бұрын

They just keep f@cking banging on about tubeless, who is paying them to do this ????

@adredy 3 жыл бұрын

@Paul Wieringa good 1

@TeoSluga 3 жыл бұрын

@@jackfrost838 well, it's kind of a same with carbon... Who needs carbon frames and carbon wheels? Certainly not for amaters... Waste of money...

@TaichoCyclist 3 жыл бұрын

I build my wheelsets exclusively with tubulars for the last 10 years and switched to double side tape instead of glue. Tubular rims are weight saving and tubulars are comfortable on the roll. They hold up shape better especially in cornering and turns and deforms less compared to clinchers. Best of all they keep me attached to the road in a puncture as clinchers simply rolled about the rim bead with a flat tube which is really scary going down hill. Classic example of tubular flat going for the win - Abraham Olano's 1995 Worlds win on a flat tubular with 2km to go. Point made.

@Peo_Sahlin 3 жыл бұрын

I've used tubular since the 80's (even om commuter) and will never change. I don't know why people say it's messy with tubulars - use tape instead of glue. It's so much easier and swifter to replacing tubular when using tape, than replacing inner tubes on clincher, and you don't need any tools. I like high pressure and carbon rims, so clincher is not for me anyway. I would also never trust a carbon clincher. I just say Raoul Luescher.

@sirigab7264 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely the same here! Tufo tapes are just so easy to use. I do not want "snake bite" pinch flats that you get so often with clinchers on poor quality tarmac! Wheels are much lighter and responsive with tubulars and there are much higher quality tyres in tubulars.

@ighfirlee 2 жыл бұрын

Im a tubular user... only tubulars... and i glue my tires. Glue isnt messy. Tubeless can fail catastrophically.

@Wildschwein_Jaeger 3 жыл бұрын

Do a test on rideability of a deflated tubular, clincher, and tubeless. Would be interesting.

@alwaystmoza Жыл бұрын

Can tell you right now I've ridden on a flat tub back wheel ( just yesterday had to ride 10k to get back to the car) with no issue still holding 18kph while no way can I ride on a back clincher or tubeless without busting my rims

@dickieblench5001 Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯. Please do the test on a long fast descent. Thanks

@manitoublack 3 жыл бұрын

Tubs will live on on the track. gotta have that +200PSI

@brauljo 3 жыл бұрын

200 lbf/in² ≈ 1.38 MPa

@bengt_axle 3 жыл бұрын

Would like to see a tubeless that has a butyl coating on inside so you don't need sealant (like automobile tires). If you get a puncture you fix it on the road with a temporary plug or put in a tube. Once home, you plug it from the inside with a thumbtack shaped plug that is glued in place. If course, it requires a rim bed without spoke holes, but Campy and others have been making that for a while now.

@naf2579 3 жыл бұрын

I ride tubulars 95% of the time. They ride and handle like no other. Thousands of miles and no flats. Clincher I get flats all the same.

@Dhungerf60 3 жыл бұрын

I’m still not switching!

@niceracleous9999 3 жыл бұрын

All you need is a spray can of sealant for your tubulars so when you get a puncher, you can be on your way in less time then replacing an inner tube. I love tubulars and there easy now to live with then ever, and they weigh 996g a pair!

@grahamtricker4103 3 жыл бұрын

What's not said is all the faff that goes with tubeless, as in topping up the sealant every few months as well as having to clean all the dried out sealant once a year if not sooner. You also need to use something like a bath to change out a failed tubeless tyre to prevent al the sealant going everywhere. Then there is the problem of having to change a tyre when the sealant won't fix the puncture. Often the tyre is so sealed to the rim its very difficult to remove the tyre especially if its cold and by the side of the road. I think you will find that many harden cyclists only use clinchers with inner tubes especially if they are involved in group rides...

@earthstick 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think tubeless are more faff than tubular? I spend about 3 days gluing on tubulars.

@grahamtricker4103 3 жыл бұрын

@@earthstick I guess it depends where you do the prep for the tyre install and ongoing maintenance. The sealant needs to be topped up every 3-4 months as it dries out. Then every 12 months the tyre should come off and the wheel well and tyre cleaned of all the dried sealant ready for the next sealant injection. If you have to do any repairs that involve removing the tyre then this can pose big problems, especially if by the side of the road as the tyres get stuck to the rims, and the tyre is an already a very tight fit on the wheel, so installing an inner tube could be very difficult. If you use a sealant like the new Muc-Off (purple in colour) then be prepared for a real mess as this stuff is sticky and gets everywhere. Also it doesn't seal particularly well. The best sealant I have found is the Orange sealant but this dries out quite quickly so has to be topped up every 3-4 months. Having said that, when you do get a puncture it is the most effective at sealing the tyre, unless of course the hole is too large for the sealant to seal.

@earthstick 3 жыл бұрын

@@grahamtricker4103 I guess if you have to keep topping up the sealant then the system keeps getting heavier until you pull the tyre off every year and redo the whole thing.

@grahamtricker4103 3 жыл бұрын

@@earthstick Yes indeed. Although some of the sealant does evaporate, but yes, it can be a messy job removing it. I use the bath in our ensuite bathroom but then I have a very understanding wife! :-)

@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын

I've done both and had a special galvanized container for soaking excess glue off rims. My opinion= tubeless for mtb and clincher for road. At higher psi and small air volume road tubeless goes flat before sealant can work in some cases. Very messy tube installation on road tubeless. Getting that tubeless valve unscrewed can also be a challenge. Tubular tires are also rather unpleasant to work with.

@DaveCM 3 жыл бұрын

"8 seconds isn't much." Greg Lemond won the Tour De France by 8 seconds.

@SheldonBole 3 жыл бұрын

More importantly Laurent Fignon LOST the Tour de France by 8 seconds!

@gimmigimmigimmi 3 жыл бұрын

..but you don't race the Tour the France and you don't wanna be out in the road replacing a tubular tyre :)

@shannontrainer5857 3 жыл бұрын

@@SheldonBole Aut in that case, having aero bars-as opposed to just having bullhorns-made the difference.

@rexjamerson9316 2 жыл бұрын

@@gimmigimmigimmi I disagree totally. And not just speculation on my part, because back in the day I rode all over Los Angeles with tubulars and the rare times I did have a flat, it was way easier to change the tubular out on the road if you know what you're doing. You carry a spare with you that has been used before and the tire has some old tacky glue on it and you just pump it up and you're on your way in five minutes or less. You just don't go flying around corners at 30 miles per hour and you'll get home just fine.

@marshallferron 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who thinks 8 seconds is a long time has never ridden bulls or broncs

@simonalexandercritchley439 3 жыл бұрын

You did not really cover ride quality,this is where Tubs are king,cornering and handling. Sure ,you can get nice clinchers with high thread counts which I use,or training ones for high durability. Tubs can be a hassle with having to pre stretch and glue,but with the lighter combined weight feel great. Tubeless has the hassle with the sealant and are not consistent enough yet. So for most riding clinchers are best all round apart from getting pinch flats.

@paulgush 3 жыл бұрын

@GCNTech @Ollie CdA is _not_ drag coefficient. It is drag _area_ with units of meters squared. CdA is the product of drag coefficient and projected frontal area. This is the Tech show, you are numerate, and with an audience of millions its important that you get this right!

@earthstick 3 жыл бұрын

I chose tubs because I would not risk clinchers on carbon rims with rim brakes. A big advantage is the weight of tubular rims at least 200g (per rim) less than clincher rims. The next bike might have disc brakes so overheating won't be a problem but clincher rims will never be as light as tubulars.

@RB-xv4si 3 жыл бұрын

With the enve 5.6 disc rims, the difference between the clincher and tubular versions is only 60g per rim.

@earthstick 3 жыл бұрын

@@RB-xv4si You have to be careful there. Have the clinchers got lighter or the tubulars heavier? A while ago Reynolds tubular rims went up in weight to not much less than their clinchers.

@RB-xv4si 3 жыл бұрын

@@earthstick I have to be careful? Huh?

@earthstick 3 жыл бұрын

@@RB-xv4si I mean be careful with your argument. It may be that the tubulars got heavier instead of the clinchers getting lighter.

@RB-xv4si 3 жыл бұрын

@@earthstick it’s not an argument. It’s a fact. You can go on Enve’s site and check right now.

@terbennett 3 жыл бұрын

Tubulars are amazingly comfortable. I normally ride clinchers and have found that tubulars are more comfortable. My race wheels are still tubulars because of this. Also, if you're running rim brakes, you have less concern of wheel failure if you're running tubulars on carbon braking surfaces. However, I've noticed tubular wheels have been dropping drastically in price on the used market. Probably has more to do with they aren't as practical as clinchers. Still the nostalgia and ride quality can't be ignored, and track racers swear by tubulars.

@cancertokona6298 3 жыл бұрын

My new cervelo came with 25mm tubeless and comfort wise they feel much nicer than the 23mm tub's I had on my old bike, part of that is likely due to the diameter and pressures, but I was hugely impressed with them.

@grahamballard7041 3 жыл бұрын

I have been trying tubeless I honestly can’t tell the difference from my old setup, clinchers and latex tubes. However I have just tried de-mounting them for a clean up,and what a nightmare, fluid everywhere and worse having to use tyre levers. I have not had to use levers for years, there is no way I could have fitted a tube at the roadside without pinching it. It seems to me like a backwards step the only slight advantage is better puncture resistance, but if you still need to carry a spare tube and have all that hassle what is the point of tubeless. I personally have gone back to my Conti 5s and latex.

@lnarachi 3 жыл бұрын

I run tubs because I like the "road feel" I get with quality tubs (Veloflex carbons) - and I ride with rim brakes on carbon wheels, and for the reasons stated in the video, the wheel has less chance of delamination on big descents

@earthstick 3 жыл бұрын

I think they have stopped making Veloflex Carbons now. It was very difficult getting one earlier in the year.

@fatpinarellorider 3 жыл бұрын

What exactly have you got against tubular tyres and rim brakes? My god they're lighter man!

@MB-jz3uu 2 жыл бұрын

But less aero and more rolling resistance.

@okantichrist 3 жыл бұрын

When he said we have to talk about disc brakes .I was thinking “ oh no please no not again”😂

@jbratt 3 жыл бұрын

When I raced a lot of crits I always used tubulars. It 95% about the handling. It was a hassle with glueing and finding good straight tires was a crap shoot. Even with very expensive tires there was a lot of variation in quality. It was worth the trouble when leaning into a turn at over 30mph.

@mrvwbug4423 3 жыл бұрын

I have heard that tubs are more stable in hard cornering, one major reason why they are still preferred by pros. I know that the move to wider tubeless tires has offset this a bit, but I still doubt you're gonna see many crit racers running a 28c up front on an aero bike.

@prestachuck2867 3 жыл бұрын

The cross-section of a good silk tubular is rounder than clinchers which are more U-shaped. The result is more consistent grip throughout lean angles.

@sebastianm2381 3 жыл бұрын

This! I now use tubeless tires almost exclusively, main difference for me is that modern tubeless tires feel more supple. I used to use inner tubes. Nothing wrong with them, though. But neither of these give me the amazing confidence in corners like my HED S3 tubular wheels. With Vittoria Corsa CX 24mm tubs, the bike just falls into corners effortlessly. I never perceived any of these three options to roll considerably faster or slower than the other, though.

@criticalthought7527 3 жыл бұрын

Never raced. Switched to tubs way back when to make up for my poor bike handling at the time while trying to keep up with my buddy on the descents. Clinchers vs Tubular for me was like the difference between dress shoes and sneakers (trainers). Having said that, my current Road Tubeless give me even more confidence than my tubulars ever did. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is the way it feels to me. 145 lb rider (66kg), 17 (7.7kg) pound bike. Clement 21mm tubs on Barcelona rims. Various pressures. Schwalbe 700 x 25 Current revision, Pro Ones with standard orange seal, and plug kit if necessary on Velocity Quill 24.5mm OD., alloy rims. 70 psi (4.8 Bar) rear, 60 psi (4.1 Bar) front.

@obikedog 3 жыл бұрын

I am so glad I found this video as I'm building a new disk bike and in the market for wheels. I've put up with the pain of tubs for years thinking the wheel weight savings and ability to roll on flats was a no brainer. The Crr factor has me seriously considering tubeless wheels.

@rexjamerson9316 3 жыл бұрын

I am switching back to tubulars. Why? Have you ever been out on the road with a clincher like a continental 4000 and try to get that bad boy off the rim? I've read stories of guys having to walk home because they couldn't get the bead broken off the rim. I used to ride from Hollywood to Marina del Rey bike shop which is about 25 miles one way I did this on Clemente campionato Del Mundo tubulars. I never once had a flat. On riding at other times, it was so much easier to change a tubular out on the road than one of these modern high pressure Clincher tires. Once you get used to gluing them onto the rim, it's not that big of a deal. And you carry at least one spare with you that has been mounted previously so that that tire is tacky and you just throw it on and it's not any big deal. Back on the road.

@waynosfotos 3 жыл бұрын

So true, the only down side to tubulars is now they are hard to get. In every other way they are superior.

@rexjamerson9316 2 жыл бұрын

@@waynosfotos I have been getting my tubular tires from probikekit of England. Excellent prices and good customer services.

@alb.1911 3 жыл бұрын

As it happened with Disc brakes time ago, it look like that the cycling industry want to force the market in a specific direction instead of embrace and develop all the technology available. As you point in the video, each one have Pro and Cons that can't be ignored and every customer should be able to decide which one is better for him. In my case, after crashing two time because clincher come out of the rim before I was able to stop, I said "NO MORE CLINCHER". Lucky to be alive.

@kasplatspeed5793 3 жыл бұрын

Love tubular tires great for racing.

@wangshuishui2121 3 жыл бұрын

Everything and anything is fine until something failed, all systems has it's pros and cons. Tubeless are great but the mess and difficulty of roadside remedy upon castrophic failure is ridiculous.... im sure anyone will have a nightmare having to put on a tube into a failed tubeless tire in a middle of a ride.

@xGshikamaru 3 жыл бұрын

Nope, Mavic UST system makes it a breeze, Si did a video of this a few years ago, it convinced me to get a pair of these. I've had a catastrophic failure once, it wasn't harder than a regular clincher tire.

@wmlarch 3 жыл бұрын

@@xGshikamaru meh on UTS, seems the tires are overbuilt and heavy...others have figured out the wheel section to pump up easy.

@JogBird 3 жыл бұрын

@@xGshikamaru UST is dead, the jndustry is pushing hookless

@xGshikamaru 3 жыл бұрын

@@JogBird hookless is great for lower pressure, but I'm not sure I would want to use it on a road bike especially in descents of mountain passes.

@SuperUltraRoboRider 3 жыл бұрын

I still ride exclusively on tubulars. I've had pretty great luck running them full time. Only three flats in 12 years. Continental Competition on Zipp 303s and then 404s. I do inspect my tires often to catch potential problems before I'm out on the road.

@seitenryu6844 3 жыл бұрын

Must have clean roads then. Where I am, at least on my regular commute, I've had flats even with puncture resistant tubeless tires. No way would tubulars work for me. Waste of time gluing and cleaning rims as well.

@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын

Very clean roads and a light rider no doubt. If the budget allowed I'd do the same. Tubulars have a buttery road feel. Moderately priced tubulars on dirty roads with a heavy rider just doesn't work out.

@SuperUltraRoboRider 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't see a whole lot of glass on the roads up here, but they aren't all smooth. It's northern Michigan, so the roads get broken down by the spring thaw every year. I'm not especially light, either. I've been hanging around at 175ish lbs lately.

@mikeburton8426 3 жыл бұрын

I ride them all, tubular, tubeless and regular clinchers. As you noted, a clincher with a latex tube is fast, smooth and forgiving. For solo rides, group rides a regular clincher is really convenient. For crits those tubulars are pretty awesome. Tubeless with low pressure are more comfortable than anything else. I don’t want to give any of them up.

@mickchaganis6607 3 жыл бұрын

I bought my first TT bike recently fitted beautiful Corima 3 spoke carbon tubular wheels, I made sure when buying my new tyres ( Maxxis) that they had a removable valve core so I could put sealant in. I don't have a team of mechanics and a puncture will take 3 days for me to sort with the gluing process of a new tyre.

@garthly 3 жыл бұрын

For non racers with aluminium wheels, clinchers and rim brakes are best. I get a puncture about once a year, and it only takes a couple of minutes to change an inner tube. Rim brakes like 105s and above are now so good that they no longer need research.

@francikaa1 3 жыл бұрын

So true.

@mgsboedmisodpc2 3 жыл бұрын

At Time 2:19 the Maxxis Velocita 700 X 28c tubular is shown is a model which Maxxis has discontinued is one of the most puncture resistant Sew-up ever made.

@tallpaul1505 3 жыл бұрын

Oli, great video, but u mention disc brakes v rims so please can you tell me out of the 3 grand tours this year how many were won on disc? 🤔😉

@kamucho 3 жыл бұрын

This was fascinating!!! Thanks Ollie

@RudiDwiHartanto 3 жыл бұрын

Instruction unclear. Ended up running 21c pista speed on gravel.

@puro52 3 жыл бұрын

tend to run 19mm on my dh fixie, works kinda meeeh

@future62 3 жыл бұрын

As a card carrying (off the bike) weight weenie they'll have to pry tubs from my cold dead hands.

@glennoc8585 3 жыл бұрын

But tubulars are heavy? You can get to 200g clincher tube combo these days.

@leflate 3 жыл бұрын

But then you have to carry a whole spare tubular instead of a 20g tubolito?

@veganeric 3 жыл бұрын

But the clincher rim is much heavier.

@future62 3 жыл бұрын

I don't ride far enough for spares to be an issue. Tubs are lighter. My Tufo S3s are 250g for 25mm and my wheels are like 150g lighter than clincher equivalents

@waynosfotos 3 жыл бұрын

10 watts more than tubulars AND clinchers are rounder! What! That is just not true. Also have we all forgotten about TPI and that tubulars are much softer that soak up the imperfections in the road. The only reason the pros are running them is cause they are told to. Pick up a cotton tub and a butyl tubless. One is like a rock and the other is LIKE a soft pillow. Those hard sidewalls chew up watts on rough surfaces. FACT! If you doubt tubs ride them. I am not running clinchers, I hate them!

@J.P.1. 3 жыл бұрын

for the price i got those enve 2.2s last month NO NOT AT ALL ALSO: i like the lead in - all data varies as to whether tubs are slow or not depending on literally anything.

@seanfarley8382 3 жыл бұрын

I love tubs and can also replace one at the side of the the road but then I’ve had 40 years practice. Prefer them to clinchers and I don’t trust tubeless

@crnkspinnr5863 3 жыл бұрын

Sew-ups (I hope) will continue to be available and will be the lightest choice. Disc brakes will make tubies work even better with no worry about rim heat.

@fridgemagnett 3 жыл бұрын

Tubs are the best, but not the cheapest to manufacture. Not the easiest for newbies to mount on a rim, either.

@martinanderson1737 3 жыл бұрын

Big fan of tubeless. Been running it for the last 12 months and had zero issues. It's massively reassuring to race on tyres that are both fast and puncture resistant. Minor punctures have sealed within a minute and in all but one occasion didn't even need extra air.

@1966jamesM 3 жыл бұрын

I rode nothing but tubs during the 80's and 90's. Yes, there's there was mess, but you simply couldn't beat the way tubs ride on a good sprint rim out on the road. This sounds a bit like the rim vs disk brake argument that seems more driven by marketing men than cyclists. Clinchers have certainly got better and now use these for my training and general riding. But I will always race on tubs. Oh yeah - Abraham Olano, 1995 World Championships. Won on a flat tub. No contest.

@tekink8143 3 жыл бұрын

No tubulars are not dead yet. A friend of mine who carries no spare tubes, CO2 etc and uses his thumb to get home after a puncture switched to them after I made the case to him to sae weight and he never looked back. Tubular carbon wheels are 1/2 price now. It helps that he weighs 135lbs. Sorry no clue what that is in stones mate :). I'm personally still a clincher tube guy and waiting for tubeless tire/rim push to die off. From what I see sealant is always dry when you need it to fill the hole and it is such a PITA to put on regular clincher tire on those rims. I kid you not I carry a little grease in a ziploc bag to get the last section on during a flat fix. It's nearly impossible to put the tire back on without a lever and using the lever tube gets pinched so easyly due to very tight nature of the tubeless rims these days. Enough with my rants. Time to go ride now.

@majorpeck 3 жыл бұрын

It’s kind of sad to see them go traditionally but in CX good tire inserts are starting to be produced. I am currently trying to get my hands on the new vittoria gravel air-liners. I think they might be the trick to keep the bead on the rim.

@philspencelayh5464 3 жыл бұрын

When Halfords stop mainly selling bikes with tubes and clincher tyres perhaps things will change. I have been riding for over 60 years and that is what I use and am happy with. Everybody I know that has a bike does the same. All other tyre types are "niche" and will probably have enthusiasts that will keep them going and be happy with them.

@Goriaas 3 жыл бұрын

Yes but you are talking about Clinchers. With an outer tyre and a tube inside. Those will NEVER die, they are too convenient. In this video they are talking about tubulars(glue-on 1 piece tyre/tube combos) VS tubeless(only outer tyre carcass with a sealed rim bed and and tyre sealant inside)

@philspencelayh5464 3 жыл бұрын

@@Goriaas This is true, cycling is so complex, a tubular tyre is one of the two main types without a tube not the one with the tube. Eventually I will get my head around the clip less pedal, it's the the one that you clip into as opposed to the one which is actually flat and doesn't involve any kind of clipping at all (which is actually clipless. Or is it? ) Seriously Tubular tyres seem to have a very specific advantage that makes the useful for a very small group of cyclists and will continue to do so for them despite the massive downside which makes them useless for everyday transport.

@stephenwatkins7592 3 жыл бұрын

@@philspencelayh5464 It isn't called clipless in contrast to the flats but to the old squirrel cages that were clipped into

@walshman70 3 жыл бұрын

Great content Olly! I'm running clinchers with latex inner tubes on my road setups. Just seems to be the way to go for a club rider... If you're out with your clubmates and you get a flat it's easily the easiest setup to get back up and running quickly at the side of the road. I've witnessed too many tubeless setups on road bikes that just didn't work when they needed to... Technically they might be better, but practically they're not. Tubulars are not common with the folks I ride with... Except at Cyclocross races.

@tomnewham1269 3 жыл бұрын

Ive seen a product that is out now that works similar to using a plug in a car tyre. The tyre doesn't even need to be taken off the rim, just plug the hole and pump up the tyre. But I understand where you are coming from. If I ever go to tubeless then a product like the one I mentioned will be coming on the ride with me or else I will be sticking with clincher.

@walshman70 3 жыл бұрын

@@tomnewham1269 Yes. I've used the Stan's plugs. And they've worked. Mostly. I'm riding a set of wheels right now using one. But, they still don't work 100% of the time. Which swapping a tube does.

@Tgiles13 3 жыл бұрын

Will a tubeless give me 200psi? No? Plus the mess, ill pass. Tubs will always have a place on track.

@seitenryu6844 3 жыл бұрын

For track use with hard tire cement, there's a distinct advantage. I don't think many use hard cement on road though. Does anyone still make it except for Soyo?

@t00thygr1n 3 жыл бұрын

It's not just that you *can* run high pressure on the track because it is smooth, you *need to* run higher pressure because, in tight banked turns at high g-forces, low pressure tires will compress and you will crash.

@t00thygr1n 3 жыл бұрын

@Anthony Slusser bigger racers (i.e. male sprinters) need it or their tires will compress too much in the corcers

@mbal4052 3 жыл бұрын

How many commentors here ride on track?

@Tgiles13 3 жыл бұрын

@@t00thygr1n i run 110-120 in my clinchers for training on the track, they do compress a tiny bit but not to the point of crashing..

@mansteinman 2 жыл бұрын

Yesterday i bought a Zipp 303 firecrest tubular rim set. Thanks

@SebBrosig 3 жыл бұрын

I remember doing a cycle trip across the alps from Germany to Italy and back, on tubulars. I think I had 3 tyres in all, and had to fix my spare one in the hotel in the evening, rip off the seam cover, cut the stitches, patch the tube, sew it up again with yarn and a leather needle, and glue on the tape. Didn't really have anything else to do in the evenings anyway. I don't think I had a day with two punctures which would have me doing the needlework by the roadside.

@samuelchap 3 жыл бұрын

I come from a mountain biking background so I'm sold on tubeless for MTB and gravel but... I've had many experiences of the puncture not sealing with the pressure I ride at. I'm seriously considering going back to clincher only for road tyres. At least I know how to fix a roadside mishap if I have an inner tube installed.

@DEAR7340 Жыл бұрын

I do miss the old tubular saddle bag: the tire sock. I don't think it exists anymore, but even in the 1980's most minimalist tubular riders just carried their spare with a spare toe strap under the saddle.

@kristiankolev8894 3 жыл бұрын

When i switched from mavic comsic clincher to ursus T47 tubular i saved 400 grams. The bike now is much faster.

@peterthomas8053 3 жыл бұрын

I coverted my CX bike, which I now use for gravel riding, to a tubeless set up. Don't get 'pinch flats' at lower pressure now. But I'll stick to tubes in my road bikes thank you. If I get a puncture out on a long ride, then I'll just stick a new tube in - simple.

@achedrien5477 3 жыл бұрын

And everyone forget when testing tubular is that you put lot more pressure on tubular making it faster and because of it's round section (against a U section of clincher) they are still comfortable at high pressure

@seitenryu6844 3 жыл бұрын

That's absolute myth. Believe what you want, but it doesn't change how tires deform. The entire volume absorbs impacts--that's one of the primary benefits of ALL pneumatic tires.

@michaelbujaki2462 3 жыл бұрын

As a casual rider I'll use whatever I can get most easily. Regarding disk brakes, I jumped on board right away.

@markernst1934 3 жыл бұрын

What I want is a PREMIUM quality cable actuated disk brake. Most of the current crop are low end (the TRP is probably the best). A Dura Ace quality cable brake would be lighter and could be possibly as good or better than hydro's. You also eliminate the bulk and service headaches that hydro have. Everybody likes their hydro's...until they have problems.

@cup_and_cone 3 жыл бұрын

Mechanical will never have the brake force of hydraulics. Properly setup Shimano systems don't need bleeding more than once a year, which is the same frequency of mechanical cable replacement. The most frequent labor with discs is changing pads and realigning the caliper, which is exactly what you'd still be doing with mechanical discs. MTB tried mechanical discs many, many times, and the performance just isn't there.

@JogBird 3 жыл бұрын

there are road brakes where the caliper has its own hydro fluid and is actuated via cable.. eg. yokozuna

@ptrutz 3 жыл бұрын

Hydro stronger than cable is a myth, unless you somehow managed to work out a servo system for your hydraulics. Brake force has nothing to do with actuation method, cable or hydro. Brake force is all about leverage: the amount of travel at the brake lever versus the amount of travel at the brake pad. Lots of lever travel combined with minuscule pad travel a strong brake makes.

@mazevx2451 3 жыл бұрын

@@ptrutz they did just that... And not a single manufacturer, every one building disc brakes has leverage kinematics to improve feel, actuation and power. I absolutely can't understand the problem roadbike people has with disc brakes. Hydraulic disk brakes are widely used for good reasons. They just work.

@markernst1934 3 жыл бұрын

@@JogBird TRP makes one (I have it) and Giant sells their own version.

@hope2someday691 3 жыл бұрын

You missed one advantage of tubulars. They corner better. Might be that they are round and don’t have an odd shape on a wheel. I’ve noticed the ability to corner more aggressively. On one of my regular rides there is a long and winding decent and hands down tubs are faster. What I really hate are flats.

@joebikeguy6669 3 жыл бұрын

I ride a lot, but until I get drafted by a professional cycling team (highly unlikely,) I will continue to use clinchers and tubes. Tubular, and tubeless for that matter, just aren't worth the hassle (hassle to weight ratio?) to me.

@ygtcbee23 3 жыл бұрын

Well presented points! Very interesting to come back and see how the industry will shape up. Leave it to Olie to bringing up Rim Brakes argument in a Tub video 😂. When rim brakes are gone he will call for their return

@wanajday 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve had great success with tubeless MTB, but both my cross bike and road bike I have constant trouble maintaining a seal. On the cross bike it is sometimes a case where the pressure drops to about 20psi then holds stable. The other day I was pumping the tubeless about every 5 km, I got so frustrated that I pulled the tyre off and put in a tube. I promptly pinch flatted the tube and remembered why I went tubeless!

@judgedayan9934 Жыл бұрын

I was a close buddy of Sam Zeitlin, who was a world class sprinter in the 60s. When I bought a bike around 1976, I had a choice to buy a Reynolds 531 frame with Campaniello low hubs on sew-up rims or a newer all Shimano Vista bike with clinchers. Sam convinced me to get the former, which weighed in at 19lbs. The Vista bike was about 24lbs. I did a lot of biking that first year and the bike was great. But I kept getting flats and it was a real pain (even though Sam taught me how to fix them). In retrospect I should have gotten the clincher tubeless bike. Although Sam was a purest, I wasn't. Sam described non-purests as "Gibaffos."

@geoffreyrichard3562 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing video guys 😎 thank you

@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@niniengineering 3 жыл бұрын

I will never run tubeless, because it’s a mess if you must fix a cut by the streets. I always have a tube with me, if the tyre geht’s a cut; tape them from the inside trow in a new tube and you ready to fly! 🤙

@Numeriwar 3 жыл бұрын

Fixing tubeless is easier. No need to remove the wheel and get your hands dirty.

@niniengineering 3 жыл бұрын

@@Numeriwar no chance if you have a cut. My last cut was around 2cm. Now is your turn, tell me how to fix it without removing the tire? (I tape the tire, new tube and I’m fine to get home!)

@krissk77 3 жыл бұрын

All the time. Must carry tubes. No problem to change.

@michaelmechex 3 жыл бұрын

Inner tubes are the only ones that are not messy to repair, but it got old very quickly when I had to do it every other ride. I went for tubeless, no problems ever since. I never had tires get cut like that, even on gravel, so I don't know how that can even happen.

@smitbar11 3 жыл бұрын

@@Numeriwar I agree, most of my punctures on and off road are from thorns and farmers cutting hedges back, tubeless or tubs with sealant all the way

@jesikat Жыл бұрын

I still use tubulars daily. On New Zealand's very rough chip seal, I can run them at very low pressures, and they feel like a dream.

@hughoxford8735 3 жыл бұрын

In my experience, tubeless tyres give you fewer punctures but more flats. I'm currently running tubes with sealant.

@JohnLumapaskeith 2 жыл бұрын

You guys should've put that countdown timer back from the "Rim brakes extinct" episode 2 years ago.

@glenspringle7337 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative and tech-base answers.... I have never run tubular on my bikes but I can see the tech advantages they have for racing. Flat on a velodrome?...said no-one

@notso100 3 жыл бұрын

Orlando won a World Championship on a flat tubular, I just love the way they ride, my custom Cyfac XCR races and trains on Tubular tyres, but all my other bikes run clinchers. Contrary to your speculation I seem to get way less punctures on my Tubs, impact punctures are common om my clinchers (I am 90kg)

@alexandro76 Жыл бұрын

I just bought some tubular wheels and when I see these types of videos I think that manufacturers pay them to guide consciences where they want consumers to go... let's hope they continue manufacturing for those of us who like them.

@carsthatgoboom4854 9 ай бұрын

I'm trying to do some research about buying some right now. I like the safety aspect so far. 🍻

@caveboy9988 3 жыл бұрын

Good video. I like all facts you’ve presented here. Tubeless surely has to over through tubular. The ‘run flat anxiety’ argument is the only element the pro peloton are clinging onto with their finger nails as there is far less chance of getting a flat with tubeless.

@Kimberly_Sparkles 3 жыл бұрын

I can’t imagine having something that messy to deal with in a NYC apartment. Maybe if I had a bike shop next door or a garage, but tubes are easy for me to deal with and hide from my landlord.

@Kimberly_Sparkles 3 жыл бұрын

Never underestimate the importance of hiding things from your landlord.

@krissk77 3 жыл бұрын

Funny. Hahaha. Yes keep tubes

@Kimberly_Sparkles 3 жыл бұрын

@Mr Zazovia in NYC, we hide bikes. The drugs are fine if you’re not selling them on the streets. Or used to be. It’s been a long time since I had a house party where people rolled around the block to smoke a joint without harassment.

@okantichrist 3 жыл бұрын

@Mr Zazovia I bet he wanted them back 😂

@nicdorman3826 3 жыл бұрын

Im calling it now "Tubu-less" , some kind of tub with sealent, no inner tube but is still glued on.

@ericpmoss 3 жыл бұрын

I have the Donnelly tubular tires that are constructed like a tubeless. I think Conti has one like that, too. Works with sealant, is perfectly round. I use the Vittoria magic mastik, and they mount easily. Not quite the magic carpet ride of an FMB, but pretty great overall.

@moritzaufenanger2537 3 жыл бұрын

Challenge makes those

@MrBJPitt 3 жыл бұрын

They are coming, one of the WT teams was running some apparently. But yeah, what to call tubeless tubulars?

@glennoc8585 3 жыл бұрын

Basically an.inner tube with a fibres and tread. TUFO do a clincher tubular hybrid but not sure if you can ride on it.

@MrBongo1111 3 жыл бұрын

30 years ago there was a brand called UFOS . They were tubulars that came with sealant .

@rickrichardson1141 3 жыл бұрын

I went tubeless 2 years ago on my cross bike and immediately converted my road bike ! 16,000 kms and have yet to be unable to make it home . All punctures have self sealed. And only a couple where I had to add Co2. Plus they ride like butter

@mrvwbug4423 3 жыл бұрын

I run tubeless on both my bikes, on my full sus MTB, I've only had 2 punctures, both were sealable without having to put in a tube, though did have to use my stans dart tool.

@ChuckD59 3 жыл бұрын

I tried sealant in my tubulars thinking it would be good insurance. I ride in rural, and remote areas. I got a puncture. A small one. The sealant didn't seal it and I spent the next 2 weeks chipping and cleaning sealant off my frame and brakes after it effectively fountained out like a loose garden hose. To each their own...

@rickrichardson1141 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChuckD59 why would you put sealant in tubs? I also carry Stan’s Dart and dynaplugs just in case I do get a puncture that won’t readily seal. And they both have come in handy

@ChuckD59 3 жыл бұрын

@@rickrichardson1141 Caffélatex. They market it for all tires including tubulars. Seemed like a good idea at the time but not again. I didn't mention what it did to the valve and pump head either. I did exchange friendly email with the company but their suggestion was to add air back slowly to get it to seal, which sadly is after it's spewed all over everything.

@rickrichardson1141 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChuckD59 they said that !🤷🏻‍♂️. I don’t get it, you’ve got to use either a compressor or co2 cartridge and blast it to get the tyre to reseat itself. Especially if running road tyres . That sucks what happened to you ! I know a couple of buddies who’ve had issues but not like yours

@alandowney5851 3 жыл бұрын

Tubeless is the way forward. My last set of tubular wheels were a set of Ambrosio Nemesis - an unused spare set for Roubaix I bought from a former Belgian national champion. Beautiful wheels and a beautiful feel on the road. They rolled wonderfully over cracked road surfaces. Bike handling is noticeably better on tubs over standard clinchers. The progression into a turn is much more stable and predictable. Clinchers reach a tipping point and tend fall into the corner as they do not have the consistent profile of the tubs. But I would not go out for a 100 km solo training spin into the mountains on tubs. A double puncture means a taxi home. Tubeless on tubeless specific rims ride almost as well as tubs. Some manufacturers struggle to achieve durability with their tires but this seems to be improving. Once you know what you are doing with tubeless you will never go back. On the very few times the sealant has not immediately sealed a puncture I have still managed to plug the hole and get home. If I am riding within a reasonable distance of the house or on a group spin I don't even bring a pump any more.

@1afterthep 3 жыл бұрын

where was the demand for disc brakes? the industry just forced them upon us. Nobody needs disc brakes when running on aluminum wheels. Nobody!!! Still they don't sell us anything else anymore. No more choice - I think that is very consumer-UNfriendly!

@peterlux3593 3 жыл бұрын

You make some good points however, the handling and safety of a well mounted tubular is a beautiful set up.

@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын

For sure

@mralistair737 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the pressures form covid to restric numbers of mechanics (and next year pressure on budgets) might mean teams push more for tubeless... just to save labour, materials and time. also for your GC leader i can see the pressure on a speedy wheel change, but for most riders, if you have a puncture at a critical time, your day is done already, you might as well wait for the car. (though they need to figure out a better way to swap disc wheels

@jasonstella74 3 жыл бұрын

“Industry standard have been in place.” That made me chuckle....

@martypilato8371 3 жыл бұрын

Tubs still feel better. Tubless feels dead when you ride them. Tubular feels much more responsive.

@KenSmith-bv4si 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not a "Pro" so I haven't a clue as to which is witch, I'm sure they have a preference but, they may have to go with the sponsor provides which is pretty cool because they get some really cool stuff I'll never have access to. I have disc brakes Sram Force and tubeless tyres on my 2020 Tarmac Pro. Tubeless P-Zeros that is.

@nancyprier416 3 жыл бұрын

and you're loving it, right?

@KenSmith-bv4si 3 жыл бұрын

@@nancyprier416 Correct

@Ninja_Revenge Жыл бұрын

Still ride featherweight Zipp 202 tubulars with Continental Force Comp sewn-ups, climbing and acceleration is like nothing else (rode GP5000 in different widths a couple of years). No punctures either… Maybe will switch for tubeless in the future, but again, I ride rim brake SS EVO exclusively so on a steep descents tubulars is the only choice.

@albertsmith6717 2 жыл бұрын

I ride tubular on dirt mtb trails and find them superior to tubes in ride quality and rolling resistance. I also have one mtb with tubeless setup, but the rear tire would never stay sealed up, so I got frustrated and changed the rear to tube and I don't have much riding time on the tubeless setup to make a judgment.

@marcelr.9035 3 жыл бұрын

No, tubular tyres are the lightest option and can be ridden on when flat. Tubeless tyres are the heaviest option and can't be ridden on when flat

@m.p.3344 3 жыл бұрын

Tubeless can actually be run flat these days, EF education have been using a small insert inside the tubeless tyre to hold it on when flat & not ruin the rim. Eg vittoria air liner

@442484184 3 жыл бұрын

IMHO, for pros with spare wheels on the team car, yes. For average dudes like 99% of the biking population, why do they NEED to ride with a flat tire, when they can almost fix all punctures of clincher tires on site? I guess tubeless is a bit more puncture-prone with the sealant, but doesn't fix the puncture, it just mitigates it...

@wmlarch 3 жыл бұрын

All good points, but tubulars still still ride better! your points about tubeless don't bear out with the data, the speed difference is fraction of kph! I mean that is barely anything! as far as aero, it doesn't really matter in a peloton when you're riding behind 2 to 20 riders. I've got 2 bikes on tubeless, one is gravel and one is disc with big tires, running 30s and thinking of going 32s for an all-road. I have 4 road bikes with tubulars and they still ride great! One bike with tubulars especially feels faster! and that's because of its crazy lightweight and 46mm deep rims. Note that tubeless tires really are not so good when less than 30mm, which is why Julian Alaphippe was clinchers with latex. And for those that run tubulars, gluing is not that hard. the veil of mystery is strong, do a few times and it's just not that hard.

@arienzoamadeus6675 3 жыл бұрын

Tubular are expensive and diff to repair if you have to , but with carbon traditional brake calliper they are still the safest tire to be put on carbon wheeset .

@JohnJohn-ju4gw 2 жыл бұрын

Technology changes everything, and so it does in cycling. I've neither preference nor opinion about what is best for competition use. As for tubs, my concern is about the continuation of production. I have a small collection of vintage steel frame road racing bikes. I ride for exercise and recreation. They all have tub rims. It's not convenient to mess about with tubs, but that is part of legacy rides. You either dig it or you pay a massive amount to build sets of modern clinchers on your vintage hub sets - or buy a modern bike. So, my concern is this: I hope manufacturers continue to make tubs with production runs that make training grade types available and affordable. Already a training grade set of tubs I bought a month ago are a lot more expensive than what I was paying only two or three years ago.

@deabreu.tattoo 3 жыл бұрын

I love it how cutting-edge bicke tech is just about 30 years behind motorcycle tech: tubeless tyres; disc brakes; telescopic forks; multi-link swingarms... I wonder what's next? crash-protecting suits? different-width tyres, front and back? alloy wheels?

@Murgoh 3 жыл бұрын

No, not for me at least. I'm running tubs on my TT-bike as it has rim brakes and carbon rims and even though I don't ride many steep descents I still don't like the idea of brake pads rubbing on the outside of the thin lip on carbon clinchers. Actually I'm currently shopping for a used rear disc wheel which will also be tubular as, thanks to the disc brake and tubeless tire craze, "obsolete" second hand tubular rim brake wheels can now be had at an affordable price. Same goes for frames, high quality rim brake frames can be bought cheap now as everybody "must" get discs. My road bike on the other hand has tubeless ready alloy rims (rim brakes on that one too) but the current tires are not tubeless compatible so I'll probably be going tubeless on that one when I need to replace the tires. Nothing against tubeless tires and disc brakes though, I have them on my fat bike and they are really great for off road riding.

@mgsboedmisodpc2 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a reason the Tubular Clincher still made by TUFO and once made by Clement was not mentioned.

@jaimeizreal8810 3 жыл бұрын

My GP5000/butyl supersonic tube clincher setup is 220 grams (25mm tyre) and 50 grams (tube). Add 20 grams for the rim liners. So that makes it approx., 560 grams per pair. One could assume that this is how we get the lightest overall wheelset weight. However, as Ollie mentions in the video, the difference maker in overall weight is not just with the tyres and tubes. Getting the lightest overall weight has to do with your wheelset type. In tubular rim design, there's no need for the manufacturer to make an extra lip of material on each side of the rim, which is present on the clincher/tubeless rim design. Therefore, this makes the tubular rim design lightest. NOTE: and as stated in the video, you cannot use latex tubes with carbon rim brakes. Because the tubes simply blow up from excessive heat during normal braking. Keep it up @GCN Tech.

@stevek8829 3 жыл бұрын

My Conti GP 5000 weighed 227 each. Why were yours lighter? My little scale was checked against a 100 gm weight.

@jaimeizreal8810 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevek8829Because the advertised weight of the exact same tyre can vary +/-10 grams. And also to your point, my other exact same 5000 25mm tyre does weigh more at 224 grams. The conti 5000 25mm listing on amazon states that it weighs 249 grams. What they meant I'm sure with this weight is the entire packaging, because my own 25mm tyres (minus the box, instructions and that little black strap) weighed 220-224 grams respectively. And about my scale's accuracy, my supersonics weighed 50.2-50.6 grams. It states on the box that the tubes weigh 50 grams. So my scale could be out a bit but not by much.

@princeg973 3 жыл бұрын

Poor upload timing, I'm trying to sell my tubular wheelset..

@wmlarch 3 жыл бұрын

Tubular wheels have dropped long ago...

@TavisYeung 3 жыл бұрын

Lol me too - 2 pairs!

@R0bstez 3 жыл бұрын

Tubeless latex like Schwalbe Doc blue contains ammonia wich ruins your alloy rims or alloy nipples. Takes 2 or 3 years give or take. It's a real common problem on mountainbike wheels too.

@wseto09 3 жыл бұрын

Yes that tubular / glue on will be fading away more. More likely it's where the consumer demand of ease and installation plus I find that in the western side of canada. More or most bicycle stores if your close to one when you have a puncture of a good hole in a tire that they would be selling clincher tires plus tubeless tires are more slowly coming into the bicycle stores. I find that it's a lot harder to get a tubular tire and that it's more becoming of a catalog book that is not really stocked in the stores right away to put on plus it might take a week to get the size you need. No more messy glues. Been using clinchers pretty much ever since riding a bike. Many years.

@ivansemanco6976 3 жыл бұрын

Video how to repair tubulars will help a lot.

@d.gwebster1109 3 жыл бұрын

It seems like people either missed or have forgotten about the unjector from Hack or Bodge a while back. A thin straw connected to a syringe allows the sealant to be added and removed through the valve core. There really is no need for anything more complicated or messy.

@d.gwebster1109 3 жыл бұрын

The only time I've had a puncture with tubless, I only ound out about it the following day when I went to check my tyre pessures, and the piece of plastic embedded in the tyre popped out. I'd finished my ride without knowing that the sealant had done it's job.