I wouldn't buy a C8 without Z51.

Yes, because I want the track capability for Thunder Hill and I want the mag ride control for the aweful CA roads. But if you don't want to race it, then you don't need the Z51.

One of the benefits of the Z51 package is an extra 5hp and 5lb/s torque BUT it comes at a cost of $5+k and importantly 43 lbs/19.5kg in Extra Weight. So the power to weight % LOSS in itself is more than the power gain. The Z51 package gives it a performance loss, it's the effectively shorter gears by a changed axel ratio that gives it faster acceleration & the slicker tyres. Talking of weight, owners of the stock non Z51 packaged C8's could for no additional costs give it a performance boost that would go nearer towards any gains by the Z51 package. Were they to be the not so sociable type who vary rarely take passengers, simply take out the passenger seat, all its bottom base bracket and seat belt. This would give around a 60lbs/27kg weight saving with plenty of space then for internal luggage, for long distance occasional travel that could come in handy. An instant 1.6% power to weight gain with better acceleration, better mpg, less tyre and brake pad wear, all for free. I would seriously consider taking out that passenger seat. Saving lugging around 180+lbs of passenger and 60lbs of seating spoiling the performance. Let them be impressed from their viewpoint from the sidewalk. I wouldn't hesitate in NOT getting the Z51 performance package. Getting it as we know will cost $5k + sales tax, avg sales tax nationally is about 8%, so that's 400 bucks on top. It lowers the top speed by 10mph, pumps up the insurance costs every year, lowers the mpg, costs the owner a new set of 4 season tyres, plus possibly 4 new wheels to have them pre fitted for change over convenience. The extra cost of all that and its detriments, puts me off. AND possibly a big twang up if the car is driven in bad weather until the all season tyres are reluctantly obtained. Jan/Feb/March won't be such a great weather base for some States, but the hot heads will be out there in the cold and wet on their summer tyres. All to get that 0.1 secs or so faster 0-60mph, that and it's other benefits... Is it really worth it, I really don't think it is. Later on in a few years when the 3 year warranty has run out, when those in the used car market want a straight non ripped & ragged out C8, they may well want just a stock C8, something they can slap a Whipple Supercharger on, (If one is made to fit) and have themselves something with C8 Z06 performance or even better, all on the cheap. A 210mph monster for the cost of a used stock C8 and $10k fully fitted for the Whipple. Makes sense to me. Then this 0-60mph figure that folks are so keen on will be better than a C8 with a Z51 package. Putting the $5k savings on not getting the Z51 package towards the $10k supercharger. You may even need to get a new exhaust system to fit with a supercharger fitted, the one in the Z51 package might become a wasted item. There are bound to be better exhausts that come along than the Z51 package one. 5hp seems puny to me. If the majority of C8 owners get the Z51 package, the stock C8 will be more rarer, I'm convinced later on the stock C8's in the used car market will be more desirable in some areas than is currently forecast. Folks are getting whipped up in the frenzy of it all, being convinced and convincing themselves the Z51 package is the best option. With the previous C7 Corvette maybe it was, but you may find the C8 is a different matter, this industry changing vehicle changes so many things, the Z51 package could be one of them. I personally would avoid the Z51 package. It has it's benefits, quite a few benefits, but for what I'd want a C8 for it just wouldn't fit in with my plans. For others maybe it would, if so good luck to them and all C8 corvette owners. There's a nice little mark up for the dealer with each Z51 package sold, but they wouldn't get one off me, no matter what they or anyone else said.

Definitely with the z51!

I agree with you. I ordered the 2LT trim, and since I don't plan on going on any race tracks with it I passed on the Z51 package. Some of my friends think I'm crazy for getting the C8 if I'm not going to track it, but for me it's more of a weekend and special event car for me and my wife to enjoy.

Now add tax, title, registration and doc fees $70K that's if the dealer doesn't decide to price hike your order LOL

​@@ELECTRICEYEMEDIA Redo your math. Title, reg, fees are less than $1000. Sales tax @8% is $5k (rounded up). That results in under $67k out the door.

Smart man!

3LT and Z51 costs a pretty penny but it'll be fully loaded which is great!

DailyDownshift true, I also got suede steering wheel which is amazing feeling while driving a car. I have 675 hp Roush mustang and the upgrades like suede steering wheel I have and exhaust, stiffer suspension just makes you feel more like your driving a sports car rather than regular sedan :). But of course there is a huge cost with the c8 I will have to pay.

@@DailyDownshift KZfaqrs compare the C8 to supercars then say the options are expensive. lmfao!! A fully maxed out C8 is 100k. A fully maxed out Huracan is 400k.

Congratulations!

Myoung Woon Kim I just got 2 jobs for this car, I will be you I swear 😭🙏🏾

I was thinking the same thing. The base model of the car or even 2LT would be nice. The Z51 package for 5k is not worth the cost for a very small performance. Hoping to grab one of these in a couple years when the price comes back down.

@@codgamplay1000 did you get it bro?

@@jayyf3609 i quit my second job at McDonald’s lol and i still got my job @ heb I quit tryn I’m only 20 turn 21 next month maybe I’ll like win the lottery or som, working day and night was just way to harrrd

You are absolutely correct. The final drive ratio difference I’ve seen is 5.726% which approx. tracks to the 184 vs. 194 top speed difference.

More evidence that the guy who made this video isn’t very accurate with his commentary.

Mag ride is an additional expense though, Z51 and that costs just shy of $7,000. That's close to $10,000 Canadian, that's a hard pass from us. I see what you're saying though in regards to the optics, the high wing is not for everyone.

The non-Z51 C8 has a softer spring rate and is the most comfortable option.

If you wait a year or two, these options will be more interchangeable. Same thing happened on the C6 and C7.

Resale will be maybe...maybe 25% of the money spent....not worth it.If not less.

Your widow will be tracking your car?

And getting smaller brakes. No thanks.

yeah on the c8 you only get bigger rotors not cailbers and there only slightly bigger 12.6 to 13.6 and 13.3 to 13.8, and if you plan to get the mag ride control you must get this package

I don’t think it’s really worth debate at all whether the Z51 is “worth it or not”. $5k is worth a lot more to some than others. But it’s really only a few percent on a $70k car. You are buying a mid engine sports car for Christ’s sake. What’s $5k? You can’t justify this car anyway except for four basic reasons: its fun to drive, it looks cool, it makes your friends and neighbors jealous, it’s way cheaper than a Ferrari or Lamborghini or most Porsche’s. I’m buying this car simply as a fun toy for the weekend. I may only track it a few times in its life. But I’ll buy a loaded one because it checks all four boxes much better on the rationale index. It’ll make me happier. Buying a mid engine sports car, and then being cheap about it just seems a bit hypocritical. I WANT the eDiff, I WANT the front splitter and rear spoiler, I want the better brakes and cooling, I want the louder exhaust, I want the mag ride. It all makes it a better car. Do I NEED them? Heck no. But do any of us really NEED this car in the 1st place? Heck no. Even if it ends-up costing $85 or $90k... who cares. The one truth is it’s still a super bargain as compared to the Euro cars. If you are going to splurge on a sports car, do it right. For certain, it ain’t about resale value. If you are worried more about how much $$ you’ll lose on depreciation as a criteria, then I don’t think you should drop a dime on a Vette. If you can’t find or afford another $5k on $70k, maybe you also shouldn’t be buying a Vette. One thing I think may be true: if you buy a cheap 1LT vette now, you WILL be wanting to sell it in a few years. Im not sure there are any bragging rights for frugality in buying a cheap Corvette. If my dad had bought a base 60’s Corvette, it would probably have hit the scrap heap by the 90’s. But since he opted for a fuelly and all the options... it is now a drool car at Barrett-Jackson. Step up to the plate and get a decent Vette, and your kids or grandkids will be happier because you might actually hang onto the thing... not for the money, but for the fun of it.

Very true.

"breaks"? ugh

Too bad you don't get the option of who builds and assembles your engine blocks LMAO

I agree 100% with this assessment, especially the aesthetic effect of the wing - hate it, really makes the rear boxier/camaro like #2017Zo6M7Owner💥🙌🏾🇺🇸💥

Good call..‼️

Good point, on my build I have the performance exhaust by itself included as an option but passed on the z51.

In curious can you see the engine with the convertible? If so ill get that but if not ill stick to the coupe

@@jcherrax Not really, there is a small vent on the deck.

@@InuranusBrokoff damn i like the convertible but then the coupe is very nice to cant decide ill have to see it in person

@@jcherrax I cant wait to see them in person myself.

@@InuranusBrokoff same 🙂👍

Tr y to sell add ons ! Factory is the way to go ! Don't punk out!

So if you're looking for mag ride, you'd need to spend an additional $7k, quite a lot..

will be my first Vette and I will be daily driving so my question for you is the mag ride worth all the extra costs? Thanks ADAM

@@adambutler1094 From speaking with numerous Corvette C7 owners they have informed us that it is definitely worth it. You get a sporty result when racing but it can also be very comfortable when cruising, which is what a lot of owners want. That being said, it is costly. We have not personally driven one with Mag ride but you can always test drive a C7 and try it out!

AMEN,

Thanks, hope you enjoy our future content

Why is that... Might i ask.. Just curious..

Exactly what I was thinking... I don't like the Z51 tires anyway

The LT2 package is not worth it. What do you think you get for all that money?

"Cold air intake"? Was it getting hot air from somewhere before this?

aftermarket

Strike

That's because the Canadian employees at The Mexican Nemak plant in Windsor Ontario went on strike a few months ago and GM has had to move all operations down to Nemak in Monterrey Mexico where the Mexican workers will happily assemble your LT1, LT2 and LT3 blocks for you LOL.

@@ELECTRICEYEMEDIA LOL. When you are buying a Vette, it comes when it comes. I ordered my C6 and did not pick from the lot. Waited 5 weeks. Didn't matter.

Skip the mag ride. Not worth it.

Yes, yes and yes!

Tony Ade You’re absolutely right

Your a fool kid! Upgrade or loose it when you sell dont forget your market! Old guys rule!

Yes but the only add on i want is the one that allows u to raise or lower the car, just so u dont scratch it.

@@explodifier6021 015

A C7 Z06 will definitely out run the C8 Z51 on any track. Look at all the mid-engine cars with a DCT with much more hp than the C8 that the C7 Z06 has already beat.

well if the car car and driver tested is what there selling then the base car has 550whp and 511wtorq iirc. yes i know what i wrote and the car is rated at 495 but on the dyno these were the numbers

@@bigsean2473 dont be one of the people that doesn't think for themselves and actually believes that. The dyno was obviously wrong. If the C8 had that much power its trap speed would be much higher in the quarter mile. Trap speed doesn't lie, look at what a z06 does vs the C8. Not to mention, the c8 is SAE certified at 495hp therefore, on an engine dyno it will make within 2% of that rated figure. Lastly, how would a naturally aspirated LT2 that only has a different intake and exhaust manifolds and slightly revised cam put down as much wheel hp as a C6 ZR1? The problem is people will read that article and actually believe that without understanding anything about hownany of this works.

@@EK-rr2md did you read what i wrote?? i didnt say it was right. i said if it was right and if they are going to sell them with that. until they hit the streets and more dynos are run i wont say who is right or wrong

i just ran some numbers through some hp calculators and 124mph trap speed is 520hp

Been to the Hague a few times. Frankenslag street where my sister and brother in law lived to be exact. I hope you take it over the border on the autobahn and avoid all those stupid speed traps in Holland

@@qwertyui859 thanks sir, I live in the city called den haag

Did you get a reliable statement from corvette that the engine will pass EU regulations? That's the only thing holding me back from ordering right now.

@@ax251 Gm announced 1month ago that the C8 will be available for Europe, but I will not order mine from a dealer. I have a friend who lives in Florida Miami, he will buy the car for me and he will ship it to Rotterdam harbor, close to my home, its cheaper to do that. I did that for my first C4, and C6 corvette. There are lots of dodge ram in the Netherlands, but there is no dodge dealer in the Netherlands you must import your dodge yourself 😊😊

Yes, but the problem is that mag ride is an ADDITIONAL cost on top of the z51 package price, close to $7000k together I believe.

Magnetic suspension is not included in Z51. It is another $1895 (US) option.

@@donnycox2399 right but he was saying you have to get the z51 or you cant get the mag ride option

I am wondering how well the car will ride without the mag suspension. Every review is with the z51 and mag suspension. What about the base cars ride?

@@dmraco I saw a review that said the base ride would be between sport and sport plus which will be pretty stiff. I wasn’t going to get the magnetic dampers until I saw that. We’ll know more in few months once people start getting their cars.

I think we'll find out just how valuable the package is once people can compare and actually drive the car, until then it's more or less speculation.

Maybe then get the z51 package and the high wing spoiler then?

@@DailyDownshift It's an alternative, for sure. Or just get the package since it brings better brakes, and the e-diff, and possibly delete the spoiler. Alternatively there'll be some aftermarket spoiler out, but it will require proper development has been carried out. Or I'll get use to the look.

Yup, plus caliper powder coating will give you more color options if you want something different.

My thoughts exactly.. I will order non Z51, with perf exhaust and high wing spoiler and front end lift with GPS for speed bumps and driveways. Also be aware, Z51 has height adjustment 1.57" on all 4 wheels but if you get the electric front height lift option only the rear is adjustable with Z51...

@@keithaverill1223 I thought about the height lift and decided against it. I may change my mind as I can see that as a value added option for resale. I want to keep the suspension hassle free. I want to do aftermarket adjustable suspension. The question is, are they using any current corvette shocks springs or brakes. If they are I am on easy street on the mod's. No one is talking. We need a shot of some part numbers. It's getting exciting. My dealer also has a warranty for life promotional on the drive train. I'm planning on driving the car..a lot!!

Unlike previous generations, dry sump is now a standard. They had to go dry sump to make it fit in the back. The C7 and C6 were only dry sump with the z51 (or Z06 / ZR1) models though, but this generation has changed a bit.

just bigger rotors. ,the exhaust you can get a better one, it already has limited slip you just get a lower gear and you can buy one of those pretty cheap and get the gear you want and not what they want to give you

So you think Ford getting 11 mph more out of their 760 hp, turbocharged top-of-the-line Mustang than what's essentially the base-model, 500 hp Corvette with the bottom-of-the-line add-on package is a win for Ford? Hmmm.... ( Base price for the Ford starts off about 10 grand higher too. ) So how ya think the GT500 is gonna do against the Z06 when it comes out?

@Guard Dog - First of all, I said the Ford GT....not the Mustang GT! Secondly, I could give a flying f..k how the Mustang compares to the Vette - it was never meant to compete with the Vette, it was meant to compete with the Camaro, which sounds like it's in its final years. Plus, both Corvette and Camaro sales have been dropping for the last 4 years, consecutively. Way to go GM! Looks like you're on the road to another bankruptcy. Wow, what a company!

@@Loulovesspeed, ah yes... the Ford GT. Remind me again... how much does that one cost, and how many do they make/sell a year? Talk about not comparing apples to apples. Also, I always thought Thunderbird was the Ford Corvette should'a been competing with. Dunno what happened to that... Anyway, I thought you were trying to make a realistic comparison earlier. Didn't realize you'd gone into full-blown idiot mode.

@Guard Dog - And you thought the Thunderbird was the Ford that Corvette had been competing with. Actually, you're right - for the first three years only. Between 1953 + 1957 Corvette sales = 14,446 (5 years) Between 1955 + 1957 T-Bird sales = 53,166 (just 3 years). '57 Corvette 283 cu in, 283 HP. '57 T-Bird 312 cu in 300 HP. Ford then took a different route than the Vette and it became a 4 seat luxury cruiser where the Corvette retained its sports car configuration. You can take that for whatever you want, but I'll guarantee you Ford had no regrets as they sold infinitely more Birds than GM sold Vettes, and in doing so made significantly more profit from it! The Corvette still had competition from Ford in the mid sixties with the Shelby GT 350 Mustang. With a "little" 289 engine it blew the larger engine 327 Vette off the track for the SCCA National Championship in B Production...….3 straight years in '65, '66 and '67. Finally, the Ford GT with, again, a smaller V6 engine than the Corvette V8, beat out the Vette for points total in IMSA Weather Tech GTLM Class the last two years of its production. Regardless of cost, Chevy took it on with the C7R and was beaten.....by a little V6. I guarantee GM is glad the Ford GT has finished its planned 3 year production...….I, on the other hand, sure wish it was still made to see how the C8 stood up to it!

@@Loulovesspeed, I know the history of the Thunderbird... Several of my relatives owned 'em. Mustangs too. ( Grandfather had a '65 with a 6 cylinder as a 'grocery-getter'. )( And yeah, the 'Land Barge' T-birds were just... sad. ) Still, I wonder why you keep bringing up a limited-production vehicle in comparison to a full-production vehicle. ( Ford claims they'll have produced 1,350 GTs by the end of 2022, last I heard. How many of both Corvettes and Mustangs will be on the road by then? ) And one that costs 8-9 times what the Corvette does, yet still doesn't out-perform it by all that much. ...especially when everybody and their cousin - except you, of course - are expecting the C8 'Vette to be a 'Ford GT Killer'. I mean, if you're gonna go the route of comparing it to something like that, why not drag out one of the true exotics that're pushing the 300mph mark and that no one can afford? The bottom line is, as far as a true U.S. made production car goes, the C8 Corvette stands to go places no Ford really does. ( The Mustang really is at the end of it's road, without it getting a similar treatment to what the 'Vette just did. There's just no more room under it's hood to add anything else. ) Anyway, get over your fixation and 'fanboy' nonsense already. The Ford GT just really doesn't compare here. Not by a long shot. It's way too much of a specialty car. One very few can afford, and even fewer can buy. ( 6500 applications to buy, but only 1350 cars being produced, total? Gotta suck a lot of dicks to end up with one in the garage, I guess... even if you have the money. )

Spoiler alert. It won't. The only one that has a chance is the C8 Zora if it's an electric hybrid

Highly encourage the package if you are tracking. Why wouldn't you track a car like this??

A sports car that is not driven on the track is pretty much just for bragging rights in my opinion. I would get the Z51. People will find out on the used market nobody wants the base model.

Steven sure they will. Because they will be sold with a turbo installed for that 5k they saved and an extra 150hp lol just like on the C7’s when people buy z51’s and make em way more powerful than a z06 and you can get it used for like 40k

Thanks, we appreciate it :)

Any official info on this or just speculation? A corvette c8 specialist said he *thinks* they mount in the same spot, so removal should in theory be easy.

Your point?

@@DailyDownshift it does but you have to take the whole rear face off to get to the bolts to mount it