Funny how that works!

Same now I can get a 40mm explorer

True! The Tudor says 'you value quality', the Rolex screams "Look at me, I have a Rolex".

I sold my sub because I prefer my Pelagos, I know it sounds like blasphemy but it did nothing for me. Somehow my Rolex's have all kept worse time than any of my other watches too.

@@nash9625 My Pelagos is only gaining 0.5 s/day which I’m VERY pleased with. Well within even Rolex’s accuracy limit.

LOVE my GMT. Much classier than a Ceramic Master II IMO

Black Bay is no longer a watch but a broad lineup of different watches.

Tudie is Roll in Omie's price

Would you be able to elaborate in details about all the specifics which are leading you to say that Rolex is of higher quality than Rolex ? I mean regarding the following: 1) Materials 2) Machining 3) Finishing 4) Movement technology 5) Movement performance 6) Movement parts manufacture 7) Movement parts materials 8) Movement finishing 9) Movement technical design Etc… Thus far and as an Engineer interested with engineering, materials, performance, reliability, etc… I have been looking for factual rather than subjective comparisons between Rolex, Omega, Tudor, JLC, IWC, Cartier.

I've owned watches from all 3 brands, if you want bling then go Rolex, Tudor is very boring and the hour hand design is really bad imo, the build quality is ok but you can tell it's a level or 2 below Rolex. if you want understated, better finishing and quality go iwc. I sold both Rolex and Tudor and have still got the iwc.

I would love to see an in-depth comparison of superior parts and craftsmanship from Rolex compared to Tudor. I own a SubC and a BB Chrono, FXD and 5 liner Pelagos. I wear the Pelagos to work, the Chrono as everyday, the FXD for fun and something different and the Rolex to weddings special occasions or similar to the FXD, just for fun.

⁠​⁠@@patrickjean-philippe7679 engineer to engineer the tech differences are minimal. The main difference is image and other people’s perception. You wear a Rolex and you talk about it and show it and brag about things that are present in nearly every other watch nowadays (besides price and availability, in this they are unbeatable). That doesn’t happen with a GS (unless you are in watch nerd circles), it is beginning to happen with Tudors, it happens to Omegas and it rarely happens with JLCs. But from a technical point of view very few differences between the brands you cited. Finishing is a major differentiator if you compare JLC to Tudor. The spring materials (Rolex does use its proprietary Nb alloy, some others have used Silicon but with reliability issues) might be considered a differentiator. Case materials are all the same between the brands you are looking into. Same concept in movements. Roughly the same. JLC has way more complications and the tourbillons but as engineer I would (and did) take a spring drive anytime over a tourbillon which is just a fancy complex way to do something aesthetically pleasing but useless.

Tudor Pepsi GMT is dope!

@@VicharB Love mine!

Ouch... I would have kept the 16610LV.

@@RabbitWatchShop They have gone down in value here in the UK since I sold it!

Rolex across the board has. People are tired of the outrageous inflated prices. @@danperkins5815

Agreed. Shininess is for women. Men’s watches should have zero polished surfaces. I.E. my omega railmaster denim

Hi Lance, If the watch was gifted to you, could it make you think differently about what it means to wear a Rolex to the office? I assume, someone who buys a Rolex looks up to the brand and thinks it’s a great brand and may think others know it to be a great brand. But if you was gifted it, maybe you just see it as a good watch but don’t believe the brand hype. And wear it and use it more. I’m assuming people think Rolex means expensive and top watches. But If your office was full of watch enthusiasts, then they’ll know a Tudor is still an luxury watch. Rolex just has more hoops to jump through to obtain them from the stores. What do you think? I only ask because i’ll wear a Rolex to work, or a G shock, Garmin and what ever needed. I think the stereo type of wearing a Rolex as if the person is showing off, is weak. For example, some people drive to my place of work with Range Rover cars and most with small hatch back cars. But the people who own and drive the Range Rovers don’t send a different vibe. That’s just their car. A rolex to work should be an old stigma. As long as the job get’s done, everyone should be happy!

@timemycollection If a watch enthusiast sees a Tudor then we have a common interest and it's great. A non enthusiast probably doesn't know what it is. Everyone knows Rolex and it means different things to different people. I have some clientele that might get the wrong message and others that I just wouldn't trust around an expensive watch.

@@timemycollection Disagree on the car analogy. Unlike a car, a watch is worn on you. What you drive to work is unknown to anyone else except those who you see in the garage/car park. A watch is visible to everyone you speak to, whether you actually show it or not (sleeves notwithstanding). Nobody I have seen, wears a Rolex UNDER a sleeve. Genuine or otherwise. A Rolex is meant to get people to notice you. The real enthusiast would appreciate and probably keep the Explorer under a sleeve, but everyone else and their dog is after a DJ, Sub or Daytona. Don't tell me otherwise that anyone who wears a Daytona, is going to hide it under their sleeve. Agreed that not everyone knows watches, but a vast majority who don't know watches, know Rolex. The stereotype that you say of people wearing a Rolex to show off, is not weak. If it was weak, then nobody would be wearing fake Rolexes to flex. The mere fact that there are replicas and design homages to Rolex speak volumes as to WHY people wear them. So it is not a weak argument at all. It sounds like you're trying to justify to yourself that you can and should wear a Rolex to work. And honestly if you think it is ok to do that, then power to you. But you cannot deny that people WILL think whatever they want of you, based on the Rolex. For the majority of those who work in a people-facing environment, whether it be office or public-facing, wearing a Rolex to work sends the wrong message. As you rightly state, people think Rolex means expensive and top watches, even if it actually isn't true, they are looked upon as such. Unless you're the boss, then you wear whatever you want. My two cents.

@@lancehatch4475 thank you. Understood. All the best 🙌🏾

@@talkingcup I agree. Thank you

If you were to remove the labels and did a blind test with non-watch people I guarantee it would be a pretty even split just based on looks, feel and design.

Well you can’t buy a Sub new so that resale value is what you’ll have to pay to get one. Also Tudor not having good resale value means you can find one lightly used for even less. A BB58 on bracelet is around $3k used vs $11k-$12k for a newer Sub. So getting 80% of a Rolex for 25% the price is insane value.

@@brett233 I bought my Submariner a year ago at retail from my Rolex AD. It is now worth 60 percent more than I paid for it (and that is after grey prices fell significantly). Excellent return on investment.

@@dannyg6592 You’re one of the lucky ones. A buddy of mine has been on a waitlist for a no-date sub for 2 years now. Yet another friend was able to walk in and grab one in London. It’s all just a game of luck, which is the main thing deterring people from getting Rolex’s. Plus if you’re looking to get money out of it and you’re not actually going to wear it, you’re part of the problem.

@@OneLordeAnimeClips I have a great AD and I am planning to pass this Sub down to my son after I am gone. Just nice to know it has gone up in value as it was the most expensive watch I’ve ever purchased. Cheers!

It's not as good as a sub

21 years ago you could walk into a dealer and walk out with a Sub a reasonable - if not discounted - price.

@Mr Mr that’s about where they are on the watchexchange subreddit. $2700ish worn, $2900ish unworn.

Someday we'll look back and wish we could buy them again for that price.

Brilliant answer dude

Copped a 2022 GMT for $2500. Never again I bet

@@averybaker1185 that’s a smokin deal. I almost got a GMT instead of a 58, but the Navy Blue 58 won me over. One day I’ll get a GMT.

After trying a Rolex, Absolutely agree!

A very valid point and one that is often overlooked. I live in Asia and let me tell you, every other person is wearing a "Rolex" and I'm pretty sure a large percentage of them are fake. Whereas when you see a Tudor, you're pretty sure its a real watch. I do like Rolex and do own one, but I own 3 Tudor's because they are more wearable, have excellent build quality and don't attract too much attention, which I like.

Me too great watch

Rolex does not generate an itch for me. Tudor Models did.

@@mrmr-vr7vhthat's probably a very popular opinion. I don't like most Rolex, but I'm hoping to get the Explorer 36mm

Good.

That’s because these are not “real” journalists otherwise they would give air time to the hundreds of better brands that get ignored. Rolex truly is the ultimate marketing machine and all these KZfaqrs are only out for clicks.

Just saw the new BB41 and it is a beautiful chunk of watch. Love it.

Wonderful watch and much better looking, IMO!

The Breitling is a gorgeous beast!

That’s amazing! When all these people ask about your Tudor, what do they say? Just curious as I’ve had a BB58 (which I love) and no one has ever mentioned it. On the other hand I have a Rolex Explorer 36 124270 for a year and have had several clients comment on how small it looks and that it’s better fitted for a woman.

You should consider when the 5 digit model came out.

@@Mega-zi7ys True. I'm comparing a 2009 lexus versus a 2023 toyota.

@@hittingreens5646 👌 Best regards

Rubbish ! I’ve worn my 54 every day for 2 months and not a single comment. Why do people make this stuff up ! Hardly anyone knows or cares about your watch

And I have the BB54 on my wrist at last! What a stunner!

I actually don't mind the thickness of my panda chrono. And surprisingly the lug-to-lug of about 50mm is still fine on my 6.5in wrist - I think the size will actually suit most wrists. Agree about micro adjust - the T-fit clasp on it would be a complete game changer.

Personally never had issues with Tudor. Bought three different ones (BB58, Pelagos and GMT), all of which were in store and available. Staff are tremendous and courteous, none of that snobby shit from Rolex. Biggest issue I have isn't the fact that they are snobs, it's the fact that their watches aren't actually that expensive to begin with. It's like being looked down as a snob, for trying to buying what is the equivalent of a Lexus of the watch world at best. The only Rolex I have, is one I bought used online. No Rolex staff to deal with. Shopping, or rather, pretending to shop, in a Rolex store is annoying. If people would stop pandering to Rolex to give them money then maybe there'd be more actual stock to buy. Take your money elsewhere to a store that does value your time and custom. Hard to even believe that Tudor are part of the same company when the differences in staff attitudes are so huge.

Tudor has amazing customer service, not sure what you’re talking about🫤

@@weAllCin you’re right, they do. But it’s Rolexes intention for people to fall into the arms of Tudor every time they can’t score a watch from Rolex. So unfortunately I’ve chosen to boycott Tudor as they are an extension of Rolex. You’re totally right though, Tudor make great watches and their customer service is good. I’m just not willing to do what Rolex wants. They treat me like trash and expect me to buy a Tudor instead. No thanks.

Those two models imo offer an interesting comparison. I think the only thing better on the Rolex is the thinness BUT the size and the measurement from end links makes it look like a helicopter pad. Also Tudor has the t-fit with micro adjust vs the 5mm extension. I've cross shopped these two significantly and always walked away because I want a mixture of the two of them and it doesn't exist.

@@nash9625 I went with the older 16570, which has a much nicer size than the new Explorer II

@@teruphoto agreed, wish they had kept that size. If there was an exp ii with 40mm and an updated bracelet and movement I'd be all in. How do you find the bracelet on the older model? I'm still debating getting one and wearing on straps. One with the 3186 would be ideal but also wish they had ar. Any issues with legibility without the AR?

@@nash9625 The bracelet is fine, although I swapped it with an orange leather strap.

Agree on many of your points, but you think that a modern Sub feels dainty?

@@michaelriera6277 the bezel doesn’t feel tactile anymore. Yes it’s very smooth to turn but it’s easy to bump it and the bezel isn’t aligned to where you set it. The bracelet feels soft and the links feel light even though they’re solid. It feels like jewelry. I have a 20 year old seamaster and that feels more solid, robust and comfortable than the modern sub. No way would I wear the sub actually diving or doing yardwork because it feels like jewelry and the 904L steel scratches way too easy.

I have a 124270 and love it, but it looks and wear diminutive. I tried the 54 and it wears and has similar vibe as my Explorer. Didn’t you find them similar? Have you looked at other Tudors with a little more eye candy? Even the BB58s are more interesting in my opinion.

Agreed, but the Rolex is almost impossible to buy from and AD. At least for the average person who can’t or won’t have a buy history with an AD.

@@michaelriera6277 yes. What’s gone on the last 4-5 years is ridiculous. I’ve only bought from greys. Don’t even bother to step into an AD.

Can’t and won’t. These are not real watch journalists. Only looking for clicks and Rolex delivers. Too bad so many great brands that don’t he any free marketing air time.

My Tudor BB 58, 0.5 +/- a day!