Omg the first woman who spoke absolutely hit the nail on the head I’m stealing her monologue and claiming it as my own!

Privilege people talking about poor white having all the privileges give me a break

00:30 _”Politicians are getting in on the _*_act”_* I rest my case.

how is this a fair debate if the entire panel is arguing more or less the same point?

Everyone has bad experiences and is victimised in one way or another regardless of gender, race and so on. Treat people as individuals and do no harm to anyone.

"No" There you go, problem solved. Next?

This debate was terrible for me to sit through. I was there in person and I was disgusted by the respect of grown adults who don’t even know a simple primary rule of don’t speak when another is speaking. The whole atmosphere was toxic.

Interesting debate, but not exactly a balanced panel

to be clear, despite what Myriam Francois claims - "White Privilege" did not originate with people of color telling their stories. It emerged in the essay of an academic, middle-class white woman, Peggy Macintosh.

Top of the class to Katharine Burblesinge

If White privilege "ain't about you (white people)", then why is it named after White People. Supposedly it describes the various negative things that are happening to people of color, so why is it named after the people it's NOT happening to? I think its fair to say that white people may be more likely to be treated at a certain baseline level of fairness where others may be less likely. The goal should be to bring everyone up to that line. So I don't understand how focusing on such negative aspects of "whiteness" (as the blonde woman on the panel clearly and intentionally does) brings us closer to that goal?

Losers will always find a reason they lost and almost always point the finger away from the actual reason.

To the sound engineer/editor - turn the bloody microphones down/off when the panel clap - it make it difficult listen!

Jan Macvarish (lady from the audience who speaks at 1:09) makes a superb point and is the most sensible voice in this whole discussion.

I used to see Myriam Francois appear on Nicky Campbell's show 'The Big Questions' fairly frequently, perhaps as long as 10 years ago. Back then she spoke with quite a plummy, cut glass accent. Now she has clearly delved more deeply into the 'woke' side of things she appears to have developed a faux-London accent, typical of that affected by Corbynistas such as those at Novara Media. It's a shame: she sounds much less intelligent for it.

One person's actions do not then become the history of other people. They can only be the history of that person.

1.21 44 The guy says "but it's still in them ... I can see it...I can feel it".... Has he ever thought that maybe it's something that's actually in himself........ Just a thought

The 1st guy who spoke from the audience deserves all the praise. He is an INDIVIDUAL and not a coward hiding behind the group think

According to the second speaker, any person who has passed through whatever institution which holds authority and provides them with a network and gravitas to succeed and gain authority or powerful position...regardless of their skin colour or ethnicity...has White Privilege. So...why do we call it white privilege??? Why don't we call it social privilege, or status privilege or social status...instead of giving it a colour and insinuating that white people have it??? If white privilege is just the new definition of Social status and a black or brown person can have it provided they went to Eton and Cambridge or Oxford...and has a high status job with authority...why call it white privilege??? It's just inflammatory and built to be divisive. And when challenged on this very point by a question from the audience...we got waffle and word salad. Just goes to show they don't want to drop the "white" moniker from the term...they want it kept there to shame, blame and disrespect white people and feel righteous and noble while doing so.

What blows the lid off for me is the very idea that privilege owns only one color. Or that it is separate and apart from privilege of birth, IQ, physicality, good looks, talents, skills and abilities, etc. But even much of that is the product of hard work, determination and ambition. The really embarrassing elephant in the room is the multi-generational white underclass. But beyond all this. It occurs to me that what is decidedly not on board is the idea of equality. As if any other color, race or ethnicity is by design, default or whatever, incapable of ever possessing the means of equal standing in society. As if this concept loses the ability to be dealt with human to human. As if that one aspect of a person is entirely beside the point. As if the object of the game is to tear the humanity right out of people and replace it with cardboard cutout stereotypes. The gentleman in the audience who had a lovely rant about wishing to be an individual, and not owned by an identity - spoke volumes. Katharine is such a breath of fresh air. Her school kids are lucky.

It’s amazing how discussion about race lands on different people’s ears.

If the aim is not to bring white people down in the name of anti racism, and it's instead to talk about the discrepancies of every race in society, why not use a more unbiased objective term such as "Race Relations"? "White" and "Privilege" are both heavily biased and subjective terms that very clearly point in one specific direction. It seems that the term does more damage to this conversation than any potential positive contribution. It's like a flashy controversial headline you see on newspapers to sell newspapers. Often times the story is nowhere near fitting the title, and yet, the title always peaks and primes our presuppositions before hearing the first word of the actual content. If you want to poison a topic before it's even discussed, this is one of the best ways to do that.

Dr Myriam Francois.. wasn't she a privileged actress at one time..? I may have this wrong.. Comments please..

I liked the auditor coining the term "privilege-privilege" :)

I really like this debate and will try to find a way to use it in class. I thought the panel was really well balanced and that some of the major points of difference around this issue were well articulated.

1:09:00 All that needed to be said about this.

Eating popcorn.

Best and most honest discussion that I've seen in quite a while. I attribute much of it to the ideals of civility, composure, and self-restraint, within the British culture itself. Something you all should be quite proud of. The USA has a bit of catching up to do in that. Bravo!

"Our" lack of awareness of a group identity that was assigned to us by others. ABSOUTLY REDICULOUS!

Why are there no Black men on the panel? Or Asian women?

This comment section caused me to lose a little more faith in humanity-not that there was much to begin with...

Katharine Birbalsingh ... thank you!!! I just wish your wisdom could infiltrate the minds of so many young and angry people living by the "I'm a victim" mentality.

Katharine Birbalsingh & Courtney Hamilton great speakers

So if race is a social construct Miriam, why make the distinction between 'whites' and 'BAME' groups? These groups don't exist do they if we are all the same?

1:19:45 she is a Muslim

One lady mentioned how divisive the term white privilege is. The Dr said about the division of the working class in history along race lines. It was also mentioned that the privilege was granted structurally. Who runs that structure and the institutions? Who runs the media that use dog whistle racism to stir up division in the working classes? I think the only logical conclusion is that class privilege underpins everything, because it was the elites who were the slave owners, elites that make the policy and have the power to shape public opinion through media. I think if we overcame that capitalist class privilege then white privilege may not exist at all, as race will not be used to stoke divisions and thus will equalise over time.

Yes and I'll explain why: I've lived in Sweden my whole life 38 years, I have Swedish culture Swedish language the whole package. I'm still not accepted as a Swede among the ppl. only my closest circle. A friend immigrated from Australia like 10 years ago, he is accepted as a Swede now. The difference is he is "white" and I'm not. How is that not white privilege? He is not excluded in the society and discriminated upon, but I am. How is that not yt privilege? "White" drunk ppl dont get stopped from entering a club but a sober POC like me can be stopped. Not white privilege 🤷🏿‍♀️ things like that. Because the owner of the club wants sweds inside and not immigrant. As I said I lived in Sweden my entire life and also have native Swedish parents. Another thing. I'm not allowed to critique things in the society bc I'm brown person living in a majority "White" country (not my choice) so therefor I'm just a person who should shut up and be thankful to be here. It's ridiculous! White ppl of the society don't get that attitude. If you're white you're the norm and not excluded! That's white privilege!

"If you disagree with me, you are racist". While I agree there are racists and things which should be fixed in society in terms of racist and instatutional racism, I hate that these people refuse to admit that their ideas can be criticised. "If you disagree with me, you are racist goodbye", shuts down all forms of debate. Some arguments and points they make are incorrect but they refuse to admit that their ideas are not infallible. Also, it's not white privlige but majority privlige. Thingks should be done to address this issue to help minorities but the term should be readdressed.

16:08 Around 52.49% of the population of my country (Brazil) is non-white and we are still one of the most racist countries in the world. So I'm interested to know which changes in demographics can make racism virtually impossible to exist 🤔

Its ok to be human.

No!

Interesting debate, and I like how they could disagree without devolving into shouting. ☺️✌🏾 I've experienced racism and I was even falsely arrested (which was both infuriating and frightening) however, I do think blanket terms (like "White privilege", or "disenfranchised people", or "White fragility", and etc) often tend to exacerbate the problem, rather than help people sort it out. After all, we humans have been tribal creatures for tens of thousands of years; we used to live in tiny groups where any "outsiders" from other groups could be an imminent threat to our survival. Research on early hominids and early canids has shown that humans have been sharing our homes and resources with DOGS (as hunting partners and companions) for longer than we've been sharing our resources with other human groups *_who didn't look like us_* -- So it's going to take time, and work, and understanding, for us to evolve from our intrinsic tribal mindset of "Us vs Them". And that's why I think we all need to try to see each other as people first, before whatever race we each may be. This is why I shun overgeneralizations like "White privilege" -- because it's way too broad to be useful. I think more nuance is going to be the way forward. I know it's cliché to say this, but -- Some of my best friends are White. But race has never been a salient factor between us, it's far down the list from our characters. Of course we acknowledge and respect each other's racial and ethnic heritage; but race is not the most important factor in what defines us. It's part of who we are, but it's not ALL we are.

The first woman probably represents where i stand as a black man, very balanced view point 👌

It's not whether it's real or fake, the term is made up of course and now there just has to be a clear definition of what is it meant to be. It seems obvious, but whoever made up the term would need to tell us what it was suppose to really mean in order for anyone to debate over it. I can see in the descriptions there is no one clear idea of what it is and I see that there are many different ideas of what people think it is, because they don't know and are just asking more questions to what they speculate what is meant by it. All those questions and ideas seem to be separate topics with some relation to the subject. They can probably all be answered separately with satisfying answers and would still not help people come to a solid conclusion on the term white privilege. Why don't people just make it in one understandable question and drop the term all together? If we want to just ask a simple straight forward question instead, something like, "Do white people have more privilege's in the United States than black people do since the United States began?" I'd say yes they do. It seems easy to see, to me. You have to look at the whole thing, not just right now. The way right now is, is because of what happened before, that's how history works and actions and reactions. History stays and grows with us. "History is not the past. It is the present. We carry our history with us. We are our history. If we pretend otherwise, we are literally criminals." -James Baldwin If we look at the beginning of the United States like a race, then the race started at the beginning, some people had a head start and generations after that inherited that head start and others inherited starting later or being held back. Not just wealth is something people inherit. Humans inherit all of history and we can see, in the present, what history has done to us. People are where they are and accomplished what they have accomplished and have suffered what they have suffered, because of past events and you can trace it all back if you are so inclined. The fact that white people were racist towards black people and not the other way around, is a pretty good clue white people had more privilege in this society than black people. Whether you want to say had more privilege or still has and has the same now, still doesn't take away the fact that black people had less when you add it all up. They can never get to an even playing ground since the game has already started and is still continuing. They are already in the hole and they were from the beginning. The generations who inherited there misfortunes can only try to do the actions to get themselves in a good position if they can. We all inherit our families luck and when we are old enough, if we can, we try to make a life we like. Some families were already in a good position from past events and I'm pretty sure most of those families were white people. It's getting better now, but the previous privilege's has already benefited generations and we are all in the positions we are now, due to that history, whether we like it or not. Since people have been prejudiced towards other people in the past, this doesn't mean now it has just gone away either. People may fight to get equal treatment and this fight will help bring things more equal, as it has been from all those people fighting for it, but still, the past has already dictated who was being treated more equal than others, to use a line for Animal Farm. The damage was already done and the score is in. White people have been winning the race from the beginning and had the privilege to collect past opportunities already, way before black people fought enough to be allowed to. Black people are fighting to catch up, but they missed out on a lot of past opportunities. If this was a pyramid scheme, white people would have kept them out and black people had to fight to be allowed in and are getting in way too late. Imagine the United States was a scavenger hunt....there's too many analogies to use.

“Battle of ideas! Does white privilege exist?” Every person in the debate- “yes, of course.”

GOING OFF TOPIC A BIT A clue, in terms of history, is in the division of the working class created by the "1%". the elite of society. it was the 1% that divided us and it is probably the 1% then that would have the final say on whether we unite or not. on this line of thought I move on to think that make the mistake was from the uneducated working class from allowing the elite to divide them at the time. class and racial and colour privilege does exist and if it doesn't it definitely can exist. if we are to change the focus on class again I am sure we would come up against a whole lot of problems that would make it complex and troublesome to try to solve the class inequality or privilege but we wouldn't have a debate on, does acknowledge so lets go from here. what would have happened if the working class turned around to the "1%" and said. NO, no we won't accept your scraps in other to make us feel better then the other race. we won't be fooled by accepting more a generous amount of crap unlike our counter parts of a different race who get an unfair amount of crap. what I mean is, the white working class was tricked by the 1%, just like all the other races were, into believing that the real injustice was elsewhere. and what did the white working class get out of that. not much. really they are still in the same position in terms of class. they still have the same problem that all the other races have. and that problem is that "1%" of the population have the financial power to influence change and attempt to make significant changes to societies and that sounds like a dangerous and scary truth although it would, for sure, get more complex.

Is white privilege as good as Jewish privilege? How about Asian privilege? Are the NYTimes, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Bloomberg, Facebook, KZfaq or Disney run by privileged people?

This Courtney guy is pretty solid

I find it interesting that these people agree that diversity hires happen, and at the same time complain that period perceive that a non white hire must be a diversity hire and not done on merit. You can't have it all

This lady sums up the debate: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptVnh5Zk35facaM.html

Birds can fly. People can't fly. Do birds have bird privilege?

Europeans built magnificent cathedrals in the 16th century while others were building mud huts.

Can someone tell me where to sign up for this "white privilege". I'm 55 and i keep hearing about this thing but i can't find it anywhere. What i got to do? sniff unicorn farts until I'm high enough to get a glimpse of it? Maybe i just haven't been good enough so Santa wont bring it to me. please tell me in the comments if you have any idea.

Myriam Francois should be ashamed at herself

I realy like how we Slavic people , get quilty for all the things we didnt do , just because we are white ;)

Answer to this video without watching it, NO.

White privilege is a term used by racists against a skin colour, or fools that have been conned by these racists. But please keep using this term so we can see and remember who these people are that agree with this racist concept.

I believe Cassius Clay was the greatest boxer of all time and perhaps the greatest athlete. What an outspoken and courageous man!

If I was in Africa and experienced such systemic racism you know what I'd do? Go somewhere better accommodating. We all know this isn't the case in Europe though.

'White Privilege ' is yet another manifestation of Out & Out Racism. Finno Ugrian People inhabit Northern Eurasia from Finland to Northern Japan. What 'privilege' attaches to these folk? Ask any Ainu from Hokkaido how it has affected their Community historically..

Ah, the complexities! I think the katherine birbalsingh approach is the best for everyone. The Miriam blunt instrument approach, while the things/stats she states are very relevant and should be known, is just too divisive and while you can sit on your high moralistic horse that you are correct in your statements it doesn't help or improve the situation.. in fact I believe it is making it worse. When young kids from terrible economic backgrounds are being told they have privilege they will reject that, and subsequently there are plenty of nefarious right wing groups who will benefit because their propaganda fits the problem. It's so easy. So the question, "is white privilege real? “ should be “does critical race theory make for a better society? “ and I truly believe that the answer is no.

The guy at 45:00 gave ZERO facts. "How someone looked at me. You could feel it. I feel it all the time. Their presumption is..."(without saying what was said or done) What if you're just paranoid or negative? What if you're giving out bad energy and it's a reaction to that? No proof or evidence whatsoever. Try again.

There’s different kinds of privileges besides white privilege. As long as you have arm legs, can see, and hear, you might have privileges.

Kids should be taught one thing, and one thing only, about white privilege - The real name for it is HARD WORK. If the woke crowd learned that if they get woke at 6am and work all day, they will get all the privilege they deserve

Wonder if they have White Privilege now in Africa or China, Vietnam Imdonesia ?

In today's lexicon....uh.....NO.

Yes it’s real... we have civil rights protections in place to prevent discrimination against someone in employment, education and housing. They are put in place to protect people from being discriminated against due to their race, nationality, skin color. These federal and state protections came about because of the discrimination that black people were facing in these various aspects of their lives after the civil war. The civil rights act was the first piece of federal legislation enacted to protect black people from being denied equal opportunities simply because of their skin color, since they had no recourse prior to these laws for being denied their natural right to equality . White people never had a history of facing inequality in employment, housing and education due to their race. However, these civil rights protections apply to them as well, they apply to all citizens. But to have civil rights protections to ensure that you are not discriminated against when looking for a job or a house based on your race, but not actually NEED those protections to be treated equally, is a privilege that white people enjoy and black people do not. Black people were not treated equally without the laws requiring it, and that is a privilege our white counterparts get that black people never had- which is why the civil rights act became law in the first place. If they were taken away, White people have no reason to fear unequal treatment. It’s not a reason to call white people racist, though. And in all fairness, white people arent the most privileged of all races at all times. But whether it exists is not really a matter of debate.

White privelege? Everyone needs an Irish history lesson!

1) American Quakers were on to this by 2014. Here is a brief video of one*: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h92Xosqcp5fUpYE.html "I don't think I can heal until you..." 2) I believe that Zadie Smith would've made a valuable contribution to this panel, and I'd love to see her here at some stage (though, I think she may be NYC-based now.) * I remembered the video having multiple speakers, so perhaps there is a longer version if you look around, or perhaps incorporated into one of the longer videos

There is no WHT privilege, there is only WHT progress. Others have not made so much progress.

Miriam - 100 per cent on target! We definitely hear you. Keep delivering the message and stay strong!!!!

We need a panel on Jewish privilege.

Ugh...Myriam is so clueless at 57:21. No one wants to be Chris Rock because he's scrawny and not that attractive. All that money can't fix ugly. Ask the same question but sub out Tyson Beckford or Shemar Moore.

For those who still don't get what "white privilege" (majority privilege) is: Imagine a school for young children, where the school has this stupid thing about discrimination/prejudices against children that wears glasses bc of bad vision. Where it's ok to treat those children diffrent in a negative way and are even encouraging that behaviour. It's therefore a privilege to have good eyesight. So the children with good vision are not to blame for this (nothing wrong with having good vision). The teachers who are just doing as encouraged are not directly to blame for this - but the school is! Children with glasses wants to change this bc they are tired of not being treated as the majority kids and wants everyone to take a stand against the school to change this so everyone could be treated equal, not be excluded etc. Some of the privileged kids are wrongfully playing the victims and are saying they are the ones being oppressed by the kids wearing glasses bc of this "good vision privilege". Some are even pricks who refuse to acknowledge what is going on so that say there is no such thing as a privilege for having good vision, so we don't care, says shut up to the kids with glasses, stop blaming us - you should just be lucky that you can studie here! But the discriminated kids aren't blaming the majority kids for their privilege, that's a false claim. Most of the teachers are like: whatever, Im just following rules I just want my salary, don't care. So is it really only the kids with glasses that should fight against the school, alone? Imagine if the majority kids (privileged) took a stand against the schools for this and so did the teachers? They would be changing the environment for the better without making it worse for themselves! Are you seriously not believing that would be the good and the right thing to do? Or are you still going be a prick and deny that there is no such thing as "white privilege" in the western world? School = norm setting Teachers = leaders/ppl in power and workers in system as police etc. Good vision privilege kids = the majority (the now norm) low pigmented ppl in the western society Kids with glasses = minorities (non low-pigmented ppl) POCs. CHANGE THE NORM! Exclusions sucks!

First Lady was actually high IQ. Was not expecting this.

As usual, Myriam Francois ALWAYS nails it in EVERY discussion/debate she's been in! Very well done! Remember - "Existence Precedes Essence" - Jean Paul Sartre.

Most of the panelists are the new racists to me, by seeking in the skin color the reasons for inaqualities, when there are so many other ways, and more sensical ways, to explain them, like cultures, social status, a system where social promotion is not working anymore whatever the skin color, etc... And note that the clever panelist is by far the black man, which tells a lot, and it is not because of its skin color! Otherwise it was a great debate with very intelligent remarks from the odience.

Yes