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Is Wild Turkey's OLDEST EVER Rye Whiskey WORTH The HYPE?

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In this video, we dive into the rich flavors and history of Wild Turkey Master's Keep Triumph, a 10-year rye whiskey that has enthusiasts buzzing. We'll explore its unique tasting notes and what sets it apart from other rye whiskies on the market. Whether you're a seasoned whiskey aficionado or just starting your journey, this review will give you all the insights you need to decide if Master's Keep Triumph deserves a place in your collection. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more whiskey reviews and recommendations!
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@mikestewart3670
@mikestewart3670 Ай бұрын
A video where 95% of the viewers are living vicariously through Kurt and Trenton as that we will never see that bottle or can’t afford it. But I am glad you guys got a bottle because I know how much Kurt likes WT. cheers!
@a_quail
@a_quail Ай бұрын
We need a video with Kurt ranting about things that annoy him in the whiskey industry!
@sn1000k
@sn1000k Ай бұрын
One thing goes into pricing this: people profiting too much for ten year old juice. Oh and the fancy packaging, which does add a little appeal. I'm with Trenton, but double the skepticism. Ain't no WAY I'm paying $400 (or even $275) for a bottle. I'm not sure there's any bottle of whiskey I'd pay that for, honestly, so I guess I'm not the target consumer for this.
@waded2678
@waded2678 Ай бұрын
"Trentons always gotta have the preshow sniff"❄️
@BillMcGirr
@BillMcGirr Ай бұрын
Glad to know I’m not the only one whose brain went there.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🥃
@louismeszoros4574
@louismeszoros4574 Ай бұрын
Kurt and Trenton, I think your talking about Potpourri
@caseyfloyd7750
@caseyfloyd7750 Ай бұрын
You should blind this against the other ryes that Trenton mentioned (i.e. Bulliet 12 year, knob creek 10 year) and maybe Rare Breed Rye just to see how it compares when you don't know which one it is
@true-fiction
@true-fiction Ай бұрын
Would love to see this!
@danielhuffman7531
@danielhuffman7531 Ай бұрын
Include a JD Rye Single Barrel
@BentleyJV
@BentleyJV 6 күн бұрын
I definitely don't have the cache of Kurt and Trenton - but i was actually compelled to do this exact blind. I didn't include Rare Breed Rye, though i did include OF Single Barrel barrel proof Rye and JD single barrel barrel proof rye. I will say that, somehow, the blind didn't make sense. It seemed like i was tasting completely different categories of whiskey (i.e. scotch vs irish vs rye) with the exception of OF and JD. I could see how they were all rye whiskey, but i quickly understood that there is a MUCH wider potential for outcome in rye whiskey than there is with bourbon.
@anthonyavila4027
@anthonyavila4027 Ай бұрын
Saw that bottle Monday for $499.99 passed on it and now I'm glad I did..
@CSAN
@CSAN Ай бұрын
Paid $300. I’m enjoying it. Happy to have the bottle. Definitely not worth the cost.
@BillMcGirr
@BillMcGirr Ай бұрын
I’d have a really hard time imagining ANY bottle is worth that much.🙄🤷‍♂️🤣🤣🤣👍🥃
@100puremustard5
@100puremustard5 Ай бұрын
Saw this last week $240, still passed. I paid less for 2020 GTS and THH 😂😂😂
@CSAN
@CSAN Ай бұрын
@@100puremustard5 unfortunately, where I live the BTAC are $900+ 🤦‍♂️ For another example, EHT Barrel Proof costs about the same as Master’s Keep. Sucks
@deankruse4491
@deankruse4491 Ай бұрын
@@CSAN EH Taylor barrel proof is very hard to find my area. Last time I saw a bottle it was 500 bucks. 🤔
@CSAN
@CSAN Ай бұрын
@@deankruse4491 I feel your pain. I had seen it previously at $499 at some stores nearby. This latest EHT batch was available for $299 and I jumped on it. Bought a backup after tasting it. It’s among the top whiskeys I’ve tasted. Painful but where I live it’s pay up or go home.
@rsr3162000
@rsr3162000 Ай бұрын
Would love to see in a blind with Michters 10, Knobb Creek 10, Bulliet 12 and Old Overholt Cask 10 year.
@FarmerBill99
@FarmerBill99 Ай бұрын
I would like to see the blind of ryes...Knobcreek, Bullet, New Riff, Pikesville, Rare Bred...I'd watch that. (Of course, if you two are leading the way, I'd watch just about anything).
@harpoon970
@harpoon970 Ай бұрын
The Rye that would be a fantastic comparison would be Old Overholt 10 year cask strength. I recently picked one up for $80 and personally think it is one of the best ryes I have ever had. Would love to see it in a blind with this. As usual great stuff fellas!
@mathewtrites875
@mathewtrites875 Ай бұрын
Out here in AZ, the distrubutor charged us $251.99, so that's before you even get to factor in the store's margins
@bmc2567
@bmc2567 Ай бұрын
Absolutely want to see the blind. Crazy prices continue to amaze me. Great video too… potpourri … 🤭🤣
@aaronwurtzel7287
@aaronwurtzel7287 Ай бұрын
Good Monday Morning SLB community!!!!
@Birds-EyeBourbon-or9fy
@Birds-EyeBourbon-or9fy Ай бұрын
Gonna post an unboxing of this on my channel, with a review to follow. Very lucky to have snagged one, or was I lol? Cheers, y’all 🥃
@davefabian2942
@davefabian2942 Ай бұрын
Potpourri?
@slbdrinks
@slbdrinks Ай бұрын
YES, THANK YOU! That was driving me nuts.
@jthomas0298
@jthomas0298 Ай бұрын
Just picked mine up from a grocery store here in MN named Lunds & Byerlys. Grabbed it for $299
@doubleg2475
@doubleg2475 17 күн бұрын
I’m about 40 minutes west of St. Louis and I saw this at Total Wine last week for $338. I passed. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen a Masters Keep but that is about $60 higher than the most I’ve ever payed for a bottle.
@kelstonswift3170
@kelstonswift3170 Ай бұрын
Kansas City here! I paid 320 secondary. Locally here, ive seen it between 365 and 380 msrp without tax
@h2osonb
@h2osonb Ай бұрын
Great review on the Triumph. I'm from Illinois and was lucky to be at Wild Turkey the day it dropped and picked one up. Got to meet Jimmy Russell, and he signed the bottle. I agree... to me this does not smack you around. The nose is incredible, and at first this seems crushable. But, when you get a few sips in, it takes you on a wonderful journey of so many different flavors... the honey, orange - citrus, light caramel, a little wood... it just keeps going on and on for me. The palate is subtle, but there is a lot going on. I can see sitting down with one pour for an hour or so and just enjoying the ride. I can't wait for mine to open up a little and see the difference, but this will be a bottle that I save for special occasions. (Edit for Trenton. Job Chapter 2. It's a good read, and just like this bottle... a great example of patience paying off in the end.)
@robertbooth3367
@robertbooth3367 Ай бұрын
Sagamore - any of them Rare Breed Rye Barrel - any of their finished ryes ( SEAGRASS !! ) - barrel proof too Alberta Premium Cask Strength All excellent products at less than 1/3 the cost Count me out on the $275 minimum
@FakingANerve
@FakingANerve Ай бұрын
Damn fine summary. Cheers 🥃
@wayne19563
@wayne19563 Ай бұрын
How many of your viewers would pay for a $300-$400 bottle of whiskey ? ... not many. Thanks for reviewing
@heywardcampbell5721
@heywardcampbell5721 Ай бұрын
You need to do a rye blind with lesser known ryes like Catoctin Creek, Southern Star Double Rye and Hunting Creek Rye. Throw in Old Overholt, Pikesville, Rossville Union, and a Whistle Pig to round it out.
@BlankenshiptheDevil
@BlankenshiptheDevil Ай бұрын
Haha, going through the poopouri section at Hobby Lobby. Don’t change Trenton😂😂😂
@nickp5511
@nickp5511 Ай бұрын
Nice review! I haven’t had any of the masters collection:( I’m all in on a rye blind with this pour against Pikesville, Knob Creek 10yr, Bulliet 12yr, etc. Cheers!
@scottykarate8596
@scottykarate8596 10 күн бұрын
My local total wine (Indy area IN) just got this Triumph in stock online.. $499
@chrisgravbelle7980
@chrisgravbelle7980 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge on the pricing issue. I always thought the store marked it up and not the distributor. A little more understandable now.
@JerboFotius
@JerboFotius Ай бұрын
They do
@jordanchambers5684
@jordanchambers5684 Ай бұрын
A great review as always! I would love to see y’all blind some 10yr Ryes on Friday to see where Triumph stacks up. Also, I’m excited to see your review of the New Riff 8yr Rye here soon!
@fidddle121
@fidddle121 Ай бұрын
Pikesville is probably just as good. If I hit Mega Millions would consider a $275 bottle.
@jacksontd7757
@jacksontd7757 Ай бұрын
Trenton, you gotta try Frey Ranch's 100% rye whiskey. Its one of my favorite ryes, not sure how they do it so good. Also love they grow all their own grains on site.
@rustbucket9318
@rustbucket9318 Ай бұрын
I grabbed a bottle of Knob Creek Bourbon/Rye last week. Hoping to see it in a future video here. Even the store owner didn’t know it existed until he got a case. I only had one pour so far and am giving it a couple weeks to think about itself before I go back to it.
@AmericanGunWorx
@AmericanGunWorx Ай бұрын
You guys gave been a joy to watch and i have learned a lot. I have definitely been soaking it all in. So being new to really experiencing different bourbon's and whiskey i had not really explored my different vendors. I have long been a fan of Buffalo Trace but can not get any in Alabama. Being just a few miles from Florida I pick it up across the line. So i am used to my ot finding things locally. But, you spurred my interest in Old Foresters 1920. I had found a nice store locally that has everything i see you two reviewing. Did think the price was a little high from listening to you guys but thought maybe it is what it is. To my surprise my wife was at the ABC looking for some mixers and had called me to see if i was looking for anything. She picked me up some Makers Mark Cask Str. and Elisha Craig small batch. Both for a little over $30 each. To my surprise she had noticed that the Old Foresters was more than $20.00 cheaper at the ABC. I had given $80. Did not think pricing would be that drastic just a few miles apart. Thanks for all the content as i have very much enjoyed doing the taste test myself. Quick question or maybe a tipic for a video. Three to five bourbon's that you would suggest a new taster to try with $100 per bottle limit. Thanks again
@mrscott99
@mrscott99 Ай бұрын
Total Wine price was 329 in CT
@loganstrom2656
@loganstrom2656 Ай бұрын
Saw this at Total Wine in MN for $299 and as much as would’ve loved to have tried it, that much for a ten year just felt wrong a day after I got a perfectly pleasant Knob Creek Rye 10 for $65. It was hard to walk away though…
@anthonygallo6718
@anthonygallo6718 Ай бұрын
Morning fellas! Appreciate you guys reviewing this bottle. I will be hitting the bourbon trail with friends later in the summer and this a bottle I was contemplated buying If I saw at the distillery gift shop. Love the honest review, and have always valued your honest opinions. Glad to say I will cross it off the list and use that money towards something better while I hit the trail. Keep up the great content!
@jimcole2648
@jimcole2648 Ай бұрын
I just got an email with other Wild Turkey makes I have never heard of. Wild Turkey 12 Wild Turkey 13 Wild Turkey Kentucky spirit single barrel Wild Turkey Master Keep Triump and unforgotten. That would be a good review
@doogie64
@doogie64 Ай бұрын
Yes. Pikesville is my fav.
@uwrossl
@uwrossl Ай бұрын
Pikesville is such a hitter. This years Michters Barrel Strength rye kills this bottle as well. A friend brought this over and tried to trade me this for my Michter's when he left. I did enjoy the pour but boy is it overpriced even at MSRP.
@michaellarkins9293
@michaellarkins9293 Ай бұрын
Trenton was right, this episode was all over the place, and I loved it!
@Just_One_More_Bourbon
@Just_One_More_Bourbon Ай бұрын
I got mine from WT for "msrp" and it was what I expected for a high end rye for them. I am new to loving WT and am not a huge rye person, I thought this was a really good rye. But the price tag hurts. On a side note I really enjoy run finished bourbons and really enjoyed voyage and was happy to have gotten that at msrp as well. Cheers 🥃 and great video
@MRsavard73
@MRsavard73 Ай бұрын
New to the channel and Would love to see the 10 year Rye blind.
@lfd_eng9219
@lfd_eng9219 Ай бұрын
Had tasted a Russell's 6 Year Rye at an event...it was amazing! Nice mint and black tea flavors. Newer to Rye, so my pallet isn't as fine tuned. Would appreciate a blind with some of Trenton's favorites...and since you all like the 10 bottle tastings...maybe put up a couple of the other Rye offerings from Wild Turkey! Cheers!!!!
@MarkTraveler85697
@MarkTraveler85697 Ай бұрын
Yep, there are a lot of us old guys watching Kurt, don’t change, not one bit 👊
@johnwaynes4417
@johnwaynes4417 Ай бұрын
Would you add the Bulleit 12 year rye to Fridays blind. I really like it, haven’t heard you talk about it. Great channel my dude’s.
@MrBill4118
@MrBill4118 Ай бұрын
Could you put Rare Breed Rye in the blind, its mash bill is very similar. Also could Kent make a special guest appearance for the Friday blind?
@joelcopeland3018
@joelcopeland3018 Ай бұрын
What do you think about this as a birthday gift... My daughter and son-in-law just gave me a 107 proof Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year...
@JerboFotius
@JerboFotius Ай бұрын
Probably better buy than this rye
@chargerguy74
@chargerguy74 Ай бұрын
Trenton, you need to get your hands on Alberta Premium Cask Strength batch 5 (64.2%abv). Would love to see a review. I know you like Batch 2.
@paulhendershot111
@paulhendershot111 Ай бұрын
I would love to see a blind with this and some other ryes, such as Pikeville. It sounds wonderful, but I refuse to spend over $100 for a bottle of whiskey as a matter of principle. It is fun to see these reviews even though I will probably never get to sample this.
@anonymouswatchguy4223
@anonymouswatchguy4223 Ай бұрын
I’ve seen it at two different total wines in Indy for $499
@chrisgunn408
@chrisgunn408 Ай бұрын
100% would love to see this in a rye blind.
@rustbucket9318
@rustbucket9318 Ай бұрын
Yelling “potpourri” at my phone!!!😂😂😂
@milesgonzo
@milesgonzo Ай бұрын
Yes, I’d like to see Triumph blinded. Ty
@ast51590
@ast51590 Ай бұрын
I was hosting an event this weekend to try and raise money for my wedding and we were going to raffle off a little book chapter 7 but there wasn't a very good turnout so we decided to keep the bottle but while cleaning up after the event I was loading the truck and when I was getting more stuff to load up I came back and someone stole the bottle out of my truck I was devastated
@GHOST0766
@GHOST0766 Ай бұрын
In Miami it can be had for $289, saw it 2weeks ago in St. Pete Beach, Florida for $399.
@shawndeddens5931
@shawndeddens5931 Ай бұрын
Trenton, the Alberta Premium Cask Strength is 100% Rye
@jeremymcbride
@jeremymcbride Ай бұрын
We blinded this - Triumph > Cornerstone > KC10R. We threw in a few samples I had collected of M10R('22) and PH10R('23). Michters beat Cornerstone for me. It beat Triumph for my wife. Parkers was at the bottom with KC10R. I forgot that I had a Kentucky Owl Rye batch 4, So I'll redo the blind of these 3 again with the KO included.
@ypol89
@ypol89 Ай бұрын
just grabbed one for 292.20 in NC
@ericamiles2641
@ericamiles2641 Ай бұрын
I would love to see the blind with this and the Knob Creek 10 rye. I just picked the KC up and I like it a lot.
@jasonbell5564
@jasonbell5564 Ай бұрын
I would like to see a Kurt rant video about pricing. I do not like paying much more than msrp for any bottle. I would like to see the blind you're talking about as well.
@josephlinstead5270
@josephlinstead5270 Ай бұрын
I saw one at Party town in Florence KY for $390. While they havent changed the name of the store to Good Spirits, the new prices sure do reflect new ownership lol.
@tonybeckman1774
@tonybeckman1774 Ай бұрын
Yes, absolutely blind it against some affordable bottles. TonyB
@aaronowens6617
@aaronowens6617 Ай бұрын
Bullets 12 year rye is pretty dang good juice.
@CainGaming96
@CainGaming96 Ай бұрын
Yall should try Adictivo small batch whiskey!
@DaveVogelsang-b8v
@DaveVogelsang-b8v Ай бұрын
Saw a bunch sitting on the counter at The Party Source for $329. I would rather have RR 15. 🥃
@paleggett1897
@paleggett1897 Ай бұрын
Rolling Rock does make a 15 day wort . . . 🤪☺️
@BlankenshiptheDevil
@BlankenshiptheDevil Ай бұрын
Me too, easy pass
@heywardcampbell5721
@heywardcampbell5721 Ай бұрын
Rich & Rare makes a 15 year old?
@DaveVogelsang-b8v
@DaveVogelsang-b8v Ай бұрын
@@heywardcampbell5721 Russell’s Reserve 15 Year 🫣
@jasonbennett499
@jasonbennett499 Ай бұрын
Never once did i see the look of amazement, clearly not worth 275+.
@philb6409
@philb6409 Ай бұрын
Would enjoy a blind with Triumph and other ryes yall mentioned? Speaking of New Riff; will yall be reviewing the 8 year rye soon?
@YoJimBo851610
@YoJimBo851610 Ай бұрын
Should try it against Bulleit 12 year rye
@teslapete4461
@teslapete4461 Ай бұрын
paid $329.99 a week ago for this bottle in bellvue ky
@yoisbelmarante2172
@yoisbelmarante2172 Ай бұрын
I was able to put my hands on this one and retail at Total Wine was $300 down here in Florida, I just did it because it was my first Master's Keep and I has this opportunity at my local TW for a "fair" retail price, still haven't opened it yet so I can't submit a feedback yet
@Bajinok
@Bajinok Ай бұрын
Can you review Calumet bourbon?
@TheCrustyCupcake
@TheCrustyCupcake Ай бұрын
Seen it for $320, insane for how people are reviewing it. How would you compare this to the Little Book 2024 if you've had it. A mostly Rye dominated blend.
@beaudwayful
@beaudwayful Ай бұрын
Would love to see it in a rye blind
@BlankenshiptheDevil
@BlankenshiptheDevil Ай бұрын
Passed on this bottle at 329.99 plus tax. Can’t justify paying double Little Book 8 for this, would rather save for a chance at RR15.
@dkfromthebay
@dkfromthebay Ай бұрын
For every video you should do an over/under for how many comments say "no whiskey is worth more than $X" or "I only paid $Y for this". Value is always relative because for everyone who wouldn't pay more than $75 for a rye there's plenty of people where that amount is way too high. Likewise there are people who light their cigars with a flaming $100 bill on their yacht.
@robertschroeder1978
@robertschroeder1978 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the video and for your various viewpoints on this release. This is unfortunately a release that many of the viewers will not enjoy or even be willing to pay for a bottle of bourbon. I believe that the price point is beyond a reasonable price for a bottle of bourbon. This is "Only" my perspective and I totally respect other differing opinions. I agree with Trenton, there are better priced products to enjoy. Perhaps if I were as independently "Wealthy" as Trenton my cabinet might be better stocked! Smiles... Yes, Yes, Yes, please compare this release with others available in category of mash bill and age. This will provide many of the viewers with some high quality and valued products with a more reasonable price point. Kurt, I'm older as well so I understand buddy! Trenton, you always bring smiles with your insights on flavor and aroma profiles...
@teamlazydave
@teamlazydave Ай бұрын
Locally in FL I see it for 300-340. Bought mine from WT online "presale" for $275. Haven't opened it yet.
@tonybeckman1774
@tonybeckman1774 Ай бұрын
I'm a newbie when it comes to ryes, but my wife and I were in Indiana (from Ohio) last week and stopped at a liquor store near the highway and I asked them what they had from Hard Truth. Turned out they had some Hard Truth sweet mash rye single barrel, store pick. I picked one up for $75 and it is delicious. I don't usually keep my buys a little less than that, but this bottle is worth it. I sent you an email about donating something (not bourbon/rye) for the Riley's benefit auction but have not heard back. Do you check your emails? TonyB
@skarletice7768
@skarletice7768 Ай бұрын
Just got a lucky grab Russell's Reserve 6 year rye, here in PA
@jzadski
@jzadski Ай бұрын
Gotta do a 2024 rye showdown so far. KC, lil book, bullet...
@CountryTortoise
@CountryTortoise Ай бұрын
I like w good 60-30 in either direction, whether that be high rye bourbon or high corn rye
@gregsmith5132
@gregsmith5132 Ай бұрын
Currently have seen this in two different stores on the shelf available to anyone at $329. I, for one, appreciate wild turkey letting the price rise to the level of demand instead of all this crazy allocation/who you know/secondary market crap. If me and a couple buddies want to chip in and split a bottle of it instead of going out to the bar we can because it is in the store and not horded in some flippers basement waiting for some secondary market sucker to come along at 5-10 times the “fake” SRP of $125. If the price stores can meet demand and the product is available is $275 or $329 THAT is what it is worth. If it is too high it will sit around and they will lower the price on it.
@davecashel4007
@davecashel4007 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t pay $275 for Pappy 23 let alone a 10 year wild turkey. That bottle is worth $100 at most. Distilleries are getting carried away with hyping up bottles to make crazy money , they should all be ashamed of themselves. Common sense needs to start making an appearance for all of us consumers, we need to stop paying more than $100 for any bottle of whiskey.
@chrisw4192
@chrisw4192 Ай бұрын
600 dollar master keep 10 yr rye is a bit pricey for me!! Hopefully you love it
@100puremustard5
@100puremustard5 Ай бұрын
At this point any store owner paying over msrp for any bottle that's on them. The bourbon bubble is busted wide open at this point! I walked by two cases of ER 10 on the shelf $41.99 just this morning, as well as a case of Blantons 😂 The only people at this point that would deny the "bubble has burst" are Flippers 😂😂😂
@bks7842
@bks7842 Ай бұрын
If I want a rye, 52% is not enough for me. I have found the least amount I like is 65% as in Old Forester 100 rye. I'm also very much enjoying Jack Daniels mash bill of 70% in their single barrel barrel proof, bonded and a local store pick of the 94 proof single barrel.
@stevebristol6369
@stevebristol6369 Ай бұрын
Blind this with the wild turkey and Russell’s rye offerings
@Fisklina
@Fisklina Ай бұрын
Nice review guys. I've never seen any of the Master's Keep here in Sweden, but I doubt I'd pay the price for them considering how much other good stuff could be bought for the money. I'm ending with a question. Does anyone have experience with Rossville Union Barrel Strength 7 years Rye? Is it any good?
@basmolen80
@basmolen80 Ай бұрын
Do the rye blind tasting this Friday!
@parkeroliver1061
@parkeroliver1061 18 күн бұрын
Blind this with a Michters 10 Rye as well.
@DuckieDooh
@DuckieDooh Ай бұрын
You could blind this against Pikesville, Knob creek 10, Bulleit 12, and something else fun
@BourbonUnited
@BourbonUnited Ай бұрын
It’s $318 plus tax at stores in Louisiana
@dustinpulliam9262
@dustinpulliam9262 Ай бұрын
Bulleit 12 year is $43 by me in Missouri
@ladie5man17
@ladie5man17 Ай бұрын
Total Wine sold them for $220 in CA.
@vkaspari
@vkaspari Ай бұрын
Total Wine had this for $500. I was able to get it online at Wild Turkey for $275
@russellkimbrell979
@russellkimbrell979 Ай бұрын
Bought one today for $275 in North Carolina
@roccobovenzi7018
@roccobovenzi7018 Ай бұрын
If it ain’t 30$ or less I’m out
@EasyGiese
@EasyGiese Ай бұрын
Would love to see a blind. KC10, Pikesville, sagamore 8,bulliet 12
@CookieSweet4
@CookieSweet4 6 күн бұрын
Is the WT MK One or Forgotten better than the Cornerstone or Triumph?
@caleballen8862
@caleballen8862 Ай бұрын
Yeah I’m glad y’all got it for the collection but I’m def going to pass. For that price it would have to be one of the best ryes ever. Some of the distilleries are getting wild. Just my two cents.
@thomashunt6681
@thomashunt6681 Ай бұрын
If you taste test this in a blind with $80 ryes, you should include Wild Turkey Rarebreed Rye in the blind. That will give you a Wild Turkey product at the same price point as the competitors ryes.
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