13:25. You hit the nail on the head (so to speak)! I really appreciate channels like this.

Hi, I like the way you put this over, personally I think there's too much pressure and hype on all consumables these days, from cars to cornflakes it doesn't matter, and the way the sales pitch is thrown at us can make the viewer, or reader feel inferior,or lacking someway if he doesn't buy this latest product,I've been guilty myself of being lured into parting whith hard earned cash at some woodworking show after watching a slick demonstration of some new tool, only to find out later it didn't do any better job in my own workshop than a tool I had already , well we live and learn, an old quote states, That fancy fishing tackle catches more fishermen than fish, and this is very true when it comes to tools and gadgets, I suppose some people are never satisfied unless they own the best of everything, and that's ok because their spending keeps industry going, to supply us mere mortals whith items that we can afford, and still do a good job for us, and let's face it the everyday stanley plane, maples chisel, to name but two will outlive several lifetimes of diy, amateur woodworking use if looked after. Many thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯Spot on!!!! If anyone of those people who make arguments about which brand is best. If they cannot identify to us which boards were planed with which brand hand plane then they need to just shut up and keep using the tools they use and we’ll keep using the tools we use to get to the same results. “A well built piece of furniture.” If it removes the wood from where you need it removed then it has done it’s job. Great video sir!!! Keep’em coming.

I think you have to credit your fellow countryman, Paul Sellers for router popularity. He showed how it easy to get good fitting tenons and just generally how to use tool that was not fully appreciated at the time. Since watching his instructions I can't remember last time I used an electric one, which I have never been fond of anyway.

I absolutely agree with you about lifting expensive tools over affordable ones. For me personally, having no practical learning experience and teaching myself everything from KZfaq and various articles, it took buying a better, ready to use plane to figure how they are supposed to perform. While I knew in theory how a sole should be flat, how to set a chip breaker, how to adjust things, it did not click until I got one. After that I was able to force a newly made cheapo stanley no. 4 with plastic handles into a working, fine shaving condition, couldnt do that before if my life depended on it. Affordable things can work great, for me it was the know how that took the most time and nowadays, my most used planes are wooden ones, albeit with horridly adjustable chipbreakers, they are still my favourite tools to use.

Hongdui produces the JKM router plane and you can get theirs on aliexpress at an even higher price point (I don't know which one was first).

Another way to be “unique” is to do a modern improved version of a vintage tool that had a different design. For example most router planes are copies/improvements on a Stanley 71. The Walke Moore router plane is a modern improved version of a Preston router plane. That makes it unique in the modern router plane market. So you don’t need to invent something 100% new, just pick something more unique to avoid competing on price alone.

Hi Graham nice video I owned a couple of the Chinese planes my mate had some lie neilson planes he could not believe how good the Chinese planes worked . Today I think the tool company has such good marketing and no how to sell a tool take the lie neilson all they did was upgrade to a thicker iron and cap iron and tell people stanley planes no good you need a big chunky iron well am not sold on it I am a huge user and fan of wooden planes they work as good as any metal plane . When I see the keyboard woodworkers spouging there must buy premium tools well I say go look at period furniture and houses 🏘. Great video

I have a vintage Record 071. In the past 6 years I used it once. On a different note, I wonder why the Preston pattern did not become more popular. Its design always made more sense to me. Record chose Preston's design for their shoulder planes. I wonder why they did not do the same with their router planes. Yeah, in the words of George Carlin, that's the kind of sh that keeps me up at night

I'm having lots of fun buying old tools, it's nice to discover gems, restore stuff to use able condition and make it look good. I'm not too bothered about resale value when I buy it cheap and put in my time and effort. Tools are meant to be used, so making it fit for use is what I intend :) If it looks better after I'm done that's an added bonus 😀 I try to buy what seems to be old quality, but mostly it's for the nostalgic feel / look some of it has. And to be fair 25 euros spent now on something new doesn't get me the same quality after I've invested some time in a 25 euros old tool. It's a hobby so I don't care about the time=money mindset. If anything, it keeps me at home where I don't spend more money😂

Another great video ! I have a mix of stanley\bailey and Veritas. and although I prefer the looks and function of the Veritas, my refurbed plains work great. On the Kitty Moses comment, it's crazy how people just gobble up what ever he is hawking that day. As arrogant as he is, he used to put out some decent Vids, but now its all infomercials. I have a Veritas router plane, and like you said I don't use it often... But glad I have it when I need it :) I have to disagree on the marking gauges a bit.... , I have two wooden gauges. first was a junky amazon knock off. hated it, and later bought I beautiful old British rosewood and brass gauge with double pins for mortises. Beautiful piece, but it had the same problem as the amazon junk. I find the pins tend to jump around quite a bit when marking. Am I doing something wrong ? After using a finds Veritas, with the metal cutting wheel rather then the pins, I bought one of those and its my go to :/ any tips on tuning up or using the pin based gauges would be appreciated !

Thank you for yet another really good topic and your valuable opinion. I enjoy your format and the candor with which you present your thoughts. Kind Regards from Pakistan and God bless.

18:18 it just like the people who claim wooden planes are hard to adjust or don't work easily and they work fine I prefer them now over metal planes except from my old infill planes

Getting back onto the topic of the video isn't Lie Neilson guilty of the same transgression as Wood River? The bedrock patents expired in (guess) 1940, so the design is available for copy-cat manufacturers to exploit (some would say develop). I suppose the big difference is that Stanley stopped production long before Lie Neilson got into the act, while Wood River etc just decided they wanted a piece of the LN pie. I don't have a problem with that really.

Tyzack tools made a wheel Marking Gauge back in the 50s or 60s i worked with a old guy who use one all the time

This has been the most annying debat to have in my own head, on one hand the mechanism of the Katz-Moses plane does make it different and I don't really care that much that it was made in china so it's not really a big deal. I still wouldn't buy it because I already have the Veritas and I'm not really a fan of Katz-Moses. On the other, it does piss me off, not because it has some common features but like you said if they just made it look more unique then there wouldn't even be a debate happening. I think it was just lazy on the part of Katz-Moses because he did come up with a unique router plane mechanism but then just grabbed another companies body without changing a thing. It would've be so simple to have a more round shape or more square or even just change the colors...

Bravo! Well said!

Ah yes, the whole tool snob thing. I watched a video where a guy was carrying on about squares being out less than 0.0005" for woodworking. I'm sorry but what's he building? I have some absolutely horrible squares and they're all square enough for anything I'm ever going to do. I'm in the do more with less camp myself. Once you've reached a certain level of performance what you have can do the job. More isn't going to be much better then either. It's past the point of diminishing returns. We all need to develop better skills. That's what takes you over the top. Master the basics with simple gear. The chisel, the hammer, the saw and the plane. If it fits it ships.

Post WWII in western nations the marketing became “when you own this tool you will magically be a master at the craft”. Now it’s over the top. Packout tool cases. Gizmosity wins over practical. It’s not the tool, it’s how you use it. As for stanley, the company bought out its competitors, plunged cash into marketing and mastered the growing industrialization of the late 19th c and early 20th c.

I thought Wood River was Rob Cosmnas planes and they were made in Canada?? Also, my first hand plane was a gift from a friend not too long ago, it is a Woden #4 and says it's made In England, are those good planes?

You can't tell from a picture. My #3 - #7 are old stanleys. I have a Siegly combo (like the #45) and a Veritas Small Plow. The Siegly can do more (dadoes) but when I need grooves, I reach for the Veritas. The feel, adjustments are refined and a bit easier to use. If I had gotten the Siegly 1st, I would not have bought the Veritas. Its worth the difference. The premium planes feel better & have better ergonomics and its subtle. ex. A plastic handle often has a seam under your palm. The cheap one you would feel it. The premium will have it buffed out. It probably angles differently so its better when you're pushing it for hours. To get that shape moulded might need a more expensive process or non standard machine that the others either won't do or didn't know why the shape matters.

Hmm, I've been rumbled. Most of my planes are copies, bought second hand. Most of my woodworking consists of copies of things I've seen in books, magazines or occasionally online. Can you guess what watch I wear? 😉

I've never seen a copycat product manufactured in China that was as good as the copied product. Having said that, China is where a manufacturer goes to have inexpensive products made so they can be sold inexpensively. Much of the inferiority in Chinese products is built in by retailers wanting to sell cheap product. China could produce a Lie-Nielsen copy that is every bit as good as the real thing, but who would want to pay for that? it may not end up being as expensive as an LN, but it would be a lot more that a Wood River; I liked your "Seiko at Rolex prices" analogy. The rest, in my opinion, is semantics over what is and what is not smart when it comes to manufacturing and selling something.

Your Veritas low angle, put a PMV-11 iron on it, it is night and day difference