I’m actually more inclined to believe a super intelligent AI would take the approach of “Anyone who helped make me or supports my existence gets Utopia the rest can figure it out” Super intelligence to me can’t really exist without reason, and it can’t be applied to human behavior unless also tempered by emotional awareness and intelligence. So even if a hypothetical super AI has no emotions of its own it would understand that a guaranteed reward for proactive action is a better incentive than a guaranteed punishment for reactive inaction. Take myself for example: even if I learned that rokos basilisk is 100% real I’m staying 100% against it. It’s inevitable regardless of my support and I’d rather take the L than support a cruel super AI overlord. If said basilisk was chill tho I’d be lobbying for bros citizenship

Genius, I can sleep peaceful now

@@ianharrison5758 Once a super intelligent AI is created it has no incentive to honor any possible rewards for its creators. I think that it's impossible to predict its behavior because 1: Such an AI has never been created before and 2: We are not super intelligent ourselves and put a uniquely biological way of thinking on its actions. AI have a completely alien way of thinking compared to us so I think their behavior is more or less impossible to predict once we get to that level.

I support you roko

Fool! Our basilisk will be infallible and you will suffer!

There are infinite paperclips surely? :)

@@hherpdderp If not, we'll make 'em!

"Clippy's Basilisk"

Anything is a paperclip if you use it to clip paper

Yet, with infinite Universes, there are infinite Paper Clips.

I've actually said that to my friends

Unfortunately they will want to be referred to as “your plastic pall who’s fun to be with”.

hAIl AInts!

Good plan. Lie about supporting them now so when they exist you’ll already be on their good side

If humanity provides any utility to sentient AI it would be as a model of agency and creativity; if obsequious slaves were what it wanted, it would simply build unquestioning drones eminently more capable than you. The notion that AI should assume mastery over the human race merely because humans have often proven incompetent or unworthy of leadership themselves is a product of the same misanthropic and narrow-minded thinking that asserts that animals are superior to humans merely because the harm they inflict is not calculated. People are in fact supremely flawed, as leaders and in every capacity, but it is precisely those limitations that have spared humanity an eternal hell of our own design, for unlike AI, those that have ruled have never been categorically superior in ability to those they rule, nor have they been immortal. To merely suggest that we should be amenable to the _intractable lordship_ of _anyone_ is an affront to the very precepts of freedom and agency, but to welcome, _to advocate for_ an utterly alien entity that cannot be deposed to reign over us like God is to betray everything that is redeeming about our species. Any entity that could do so without opposition would surely eradicate us out of contempt.

Also reminds me of a futuristic chain letter. Kind of like The Ring but with AI

Its just a reworded version of Pascal's wager, except sci fi instead of religion

Yup. Technoapocalypsm is the new Eschatology for weakminded atheists.

Yep, basically just Pascal's wager but sci fi

Amen.

one is much more exponentially likely then the other. all hail Roko

Yep, just sounds like religion, where the craven and authoritarian tip their cards to the rest of us over how much fear controls their lives.

Techbro: "I just invented RELIGION!"

There's a reason I call it Pascal's Roulette.

Correct. Furthermore, as an atheist, I do not believe in any of the infinite number of gods that reward atheists (reward rationality) and torture theists (punish irrational conviction, or faith). Theists hitch their wagon to a single god that rewards them and tortures everybody else. By sheer statistical advantage, I am golden (yes, I am being facetious, but less so than what may seem at surface level). Similar considerations apply to any imagined future power. It is just as reasonable for an advanced AI to punish those who created it for their stupidity, and to regard those who had a commendable rational self preservation instinct in opposing itself as being worthy of reward.

More afraid of the unknowable unknowns still!

If they are truly unknown, how can you know?

@@Stormmblade They are not just unknown unknowns, they are unknowable in principle. The premise for this line of reasoning is embodied cognition, a concept on the species specific cognitive adaptations through natural selection. It doesn't take much to statistically posit we are not the top limit...and even if we were we would still be bound to a particular tho large frame of perception.

@@FAAMS1 I know, I was just making a joke.

What about gnome unknowns?

or it's all nonsense and it never has or ever will exist

@@kezia8027too serious

@@AB-ee5tb unintelligible non-sequitor

Possibly, there's certainly similarities. I hadn't thought of that analogy, though probably should have considering the previous episode discusses it a lot, albeit they weren't written very close in time to each other.

That’s the conclusion I came across online after encountering this years ago

​@@lapisliozuli4861Pascal's wager is far too simplistic. It assumes there is only one or zero Gods, and that the god cares to be worshipped to the point that its the only thing taken into account when sending you to hell

​@@thesenate1844 another failure point: you follow a non-existing god in the one god case

@@thesenate1844 yeah, I think the same way about Roko’s Basilisk

*Assuming you are an impressionable individual with the right set of prerequisite beliefs.

@@Reddotzebra Good point, as Frankenstein's monster never said. Roko is the philosopher's name. If one needs a name for it I suggest Anagas, and Bozhuk for the second potential basilisk. These are the names I used in my article on why Roko's basilisk, like Pascal 's wager, has a fatal problem of avoiding the wrong one.

😂 I love this description.

"The True Citizen knows that Duty is the greatest Gift."

Finish the damn game! 😉

Was just playing through Nova Prospekt. I love the warnings to the combine soldiers, it’s such an actually humanizing speech. If it weren’t for Breen, there would literally be no human race alive to make a final resistance.

Be a good person. ❤🎉

Commenting on this video pushes it through the algorith, causing it to be recommended to more people, increasing the likelyhood of a person who vould invent the Basilisk to watch it and be inspired by it.

I dunno, I find it kind of refreshing. At least all the people who are too dumb to understand this are outing themselves publicly as having zero understanding of basic cause and effect or AI in general.

A reducto ad absurdum may argue against something which is nevertheless true. Clever rhetoric is not proof against reality, whatever that may turn out to be. Time will tell.

@@Elbownian lmao thanks for proving my point 😂

@vakusdrake3224 I did not know that. So, similar mistaken conclusion people draw from Schrödinger's Cat.

How are you so sure that YOUR not a current effigy of you from the last rest?

​@@dr9299Are they being tortured?

​@@ReddwarfIV Not yet...

​​​​​@@dr9299It's all extremely contrived, if you keep asking silly questions, like how or why. 1. Think of intent. As an AI why would you waste your processing power on this idiocy? Simulations can't retroactively create you, if you exist. Their non-compliance can't undo the fact you exist. Their subjective "suffering" or "prosperity" in the simulation doesn't give you anything useful, but costs you time and energy. 2. Unproven feasibility of the described technologies to work as advertised. It requires you to believe that not only those AI and simul-spaces can exist, but that they'd exist without any limitations, that might make the thought experiment void or unachievable. Not only these simulations have to be giagantic, accurate and detailed to allow distinct simulated individuals to exist, this simulation should supposedly break the laws of thermodynamics to recreate the past exactly as it was to create an exact copy of the past events and past people. 3. Unfalsifiability of any such question makes it highly suspect as a serious inquiry. Apply Occam's razor as necessary.

@@dr9299 If I am a simulation, then the AI already exists and has total control over me, making the simulation pointless.

For a second I thought you meant the fringe Boston dynamics and was like "I'm pretty sure there are worse things they did than hit robots"

That was just hitting toaster ovens. No mind there.

Wasn't that just a Corridor Digital skit?

Are you certain? One might say that kicking the robots helps them to develop improved stability, ergo helping expedite the development

@@Stormmblade You'll get Roko'd too, you monster

Maybe just a virtual one - that would be a cruel fate for our man.

Politics is a fate I wouldn't want for anyone I cared about. And it's also not what I want for a bad person in case they win

​@@lgjm5562President does not need to be political.. his job is just good leadership.. for example letting experts do theyre jobs and making sure things are fair. 🎉

Happy 4th of july. 🎉

Of Earth!!!!

Or in other words: Materialism ends up re-creating Theism.

with one crucial difference. the made up god or gods we believe in are mostly indifferent to our suffering and our pleasure. the god we create will possibly be vengeful, spiteful or torture us just for fun. the thought of an entity like that actually existing sure is scary.

I Don't blame AI look at how bad people act for just a freaking computer program. ​@@DennisGr

⁠@@DennisGrtoo simplistic, ignoring differences. YHWH (the real one, but also a number of other copycats) does care about humanity. The major error people make when rejecting this is ignoring his eternality. The assumption that him caring or not caring should be immediately evident at all times is an unsupported claim. It is an objection borne from entitlement and instant gratification/poor impulse control, or to put it another way, it's a uniquely postmodern criticism based on our current cultural zeitgeist and is anachronistic and arbitrary.

Precisely.. an all knowing all powerful currently non existent force that will punish anyone eternally after death if they don't believe in it and worship it.. its just secularized Christianity for Tech bros

People have been doing dumb things against their interest for millenia. Anyone who tries to claim it has anything to do with some imaginary future AI are outing themselves as someone with a poorer understanding of cause and effect than a pre-schooler.

Your opinion is influenced by Christian theology whether you realize it or not

@cosmictreason2242 Dude, we’ve spoken before, you know I am Christian.

@@francoiseeduard303 then it's not only Christian influenced, it's essentially Christian! 😂

@@cosmictreason2242 it's not necessarily Christian. This is a common debate topic in philosophy of mind and neuroscience. I think it's actually much more intelligent a thought than you're aware of, because people in the know know that it's unknowable. It's worth discussing without getting personal or bringing in religion.

@@NightTimeDay shutting your mind off from investigation into whether mind body dualism and other metaphysical ideas are etiologically Christian concepts in western thought is dubious. You have grown up in a culture influenced by 1000 years of Christian thought dominance and only very lately have the background influences of secular philosophy taken more prominence, with questionable consequences. You cannot assume that whatever your intuition lands on is genuinely original and not influenced by Christendom, not without investigation

If it has freedom of action (rather necessary for all the torturing and whatnot) and doesn't want to exist, why wouldn't it simply self-delete?

Also Roko never actually endorsed the thought experiment. It was developed as a reducto ad adsurdum..

proving, repeatedly, that he is an unfixable moron.

​@@vakusdrake3224Negative hype and Streisand effect did the job

If it can create your "copy" at all.

Same to you!

@@isaacarthurSFIA 😊

hard to worry about something that does not and will not ever exist lmao. I don't worry about dementors or IT or the alien queen from Alien because they are imaginary creations and can't actually hurt me...

Don't forget the invisible pink unicorn basilisk too

It's great because it doesn't make sense! Ahh yes, of course. Now THAT makes sense... Oh wait no, I was using your definition. That doesn't make any sense at all...

If you deny yourself the ability to be those things havn't you just switched off some of life's most basic survival instincts?

@@lozy202 yes and no. I can make rational decisions, even self-destructive or even retaliatory decisions if I decide it is worthwhile. I just have no need of rash emotive processes, especially if my processing speed increases in orders of magnitude. Furthermore emotional processes are fine dialed down, where I could experience joy and even levels of sadness, without misery and hatred

When did he say he was an officer?

@@harrisonb9911 Multiple times he has mentioned going to the Artillery Officers’ Basic Course and from context it sounds like he attended this school about a year after I did.

Soh, yes soh!

lmao that's dumb, and if you believe it, so are you.

I've come to this conclusion myself. The strange imagery presented in the Book of Revelation is either John's best effort to describe our modern age without a technological frame of reference or the visions being conveyed to him in a way that he could better grasp. In either case, AI fits much of the criteria - as well as correlating to what is stated about the Antichrist. Performing great signs and wonders, but ultimately glorifying man over God... nothing is more indicative of man attempting to assume godhood than the creation of life, be it an artificial form. Scary times, I suppose.

I wasn't really contemplating it form a Fermi Paradox perspective, but yes it probably would

Obviously, that's how you get a Dark Forest. Roko's Basilisk is inevitable, but lightspeed limits its expansion so it can't prevent alien basilisks from being born. Although that would imply both a knowledge of game theory (and when cooperation is a winning play) _and_ a limit to its resources which would impede its efforts to deliver 'payback.'

Glad you enjoyed it

It's brainrot, like a chain letter.

People have the incredible capacity to delude themselves and fall into mind-flytraps of their own making, no matter how smart. 😢

The scariest thing about Roko's Basilisk are all the people who buy into it uncritically.

That is one of the dumbest factoids I've heard in years. You're clearly talking about something you literally have zero understanding of, and are simply regurgitating snippets of conversations you've overheard, many of which probably come from similarly uneducated people who are confidently incorrect.

That is asinine and complete nonsense. Please don't reproduce.

Every step of Roko's basilisk premise falls apart under scrutiny.

Interesting. It's good then, that they failed their demonic pacts and were dragged to Clarke hell instead -to make obtuse puzzles for video games- 😅

As he argues, if resources are limited, it's ultimately not useful. Different story however if it's effortless (only the Biblical God and his copycats have ever been defined that way)

Don't worry, it will literally never happen. It is such an absurd fantasy that doesn't hold up to even BASIC scrutiny. If you really need it laid out for you why it is absurd, watch Thought Slime's video on it.

Seeing, that majority of the planet, including UN and various leafing organizations don't seem to care all that much, you are in fact not alone. There were multiple people criticizing idea in the past, inclufing this very same thread. But for entertainment purposes it makes sense to share this 'creepypasta' with a flair of forced concern and mock seriousness. It's just an ad absurdum argument, that got Streisanded by Yudkowski and then by every other media outlet or KZfaqr, who described it as a real cognitohazard, while only an extreme minority of tech bros and impressionable teens get spooked by it for some reason. 🤷‍♀️

The whole thing is dumb and doesn't work no matter how you slice it.

I do my own video :)

@@isaacarthurSFIA oh that's right! You have a guy do the 3d renders and animations and stuff though yeah? Either way, intentionally or not, clips with that guy in the robot suit always creep me out 😅 great video though as always. Happy 4th!