isnt quantum tunneling FTL?

till we do know it is impossible, we can look for solutions to make it working...someone said once to me and tried to learn fly like a bird...

I don't have a problem with it. It's only SF literature that's got everybody expecting FTL. I think the way to get somewhere within a lifetime involves the much more achievable goal of longer lifetimes.

​@@ghostlyninja125 Sort of. It's more like bypassing the journey through spacetime than traveling faster than light through spacetime. While a very different thing, in effect itself, it's in this way similar to the idea of systematically bending spacetime both in front of and behind a craft to effectively "move" the bubble of spacetime the craft inhabits itself at a (hopefully) unlimited speed rather than accelerating it through the actual fabric of spacetime at any speed at all. It may be that while c (the speed of light) cannot be exceeded, the need to exceed it can often simply be creatively bypassed. The biggest trouble in my opinion is that c isn't really the speed of light; it's the speed of causality. Even if the universe isn't a simulation, you can think of c as almost exactly analogous to the processor speed of the "computer" that is the universe. Software, no matter how clever, can do very little to end in the execution of calculations faster than the processor could typically handle. Software efficiency maximization in this case is analogous to whatever methods we might devise to bypass c. c will absolutely never be exceeded, but whether or not it can be bypassed will ultimately be determined by if the actions we use and the near instantaneous transfer of information non-locally can be done in any sort of way that doesn't still end up straining the "processor" beyond function in some other way. The fact that quantum entanglement doesn't seem to "actually" transmit information faster than c and that newly discovered gravitational waves seem to obey c aren't looking good at all. Sadly, it genuinely looks a lot like the sort of thing we can preemptively declare to be impossible, like a mathematical fallacy almost, with no regard for how utterly magical and incomprehensible the rest of our tech may eventually get. That said, I can't help but notice we once said things like this about flight. I'm part of the Rubik's cube speed solving community and I can't help but notice the history of predictions of lowering the best possible average solve time since the 80s very much reflects a phenomenon in scientific progress between newer dreamers pointing out the impossible is always made possible and veterans saying, "Yeah but sadly it's actually different this time. We really do know no better now. We weren't as knowledgeable in the past." When we first got under 10 seconds, people said it was the human limit. When we got to 9 most of the best in the world said okay for real this time. Then 8. Then 7. But from there veterans in the community itself said 6 was impossible but explained how they actually know for sure this time, with analysis of the best algorithms, proofs of fewest theoretical required moves coupled with human finger speed limitations, etc. They had to be right. I mean all the facts checked out. But newer people to the hobby were always still more hopeful and said things like, "While I see the apparent mathematical problems here and respect that, as a believer in math I ALSO have to think about the field of statistics and that we're wrong 100% of the time when we declare a limit for over 30 years now." It went to 6. Then 5. Okay, sure, how did they miss that possibility through all the new techniques, but now people just need to understand that was a one-off and we fluked, 4 obviously is physically impossible for real. It went to 4. It went to 3. It went to 2. Now the question is seriously whether or not someone could someday actually solve a Rubik's cube in one second on average. One second. Sounds kinda crazy like someone outrunning a car, but I honestly don't know what to think anymore. We feel like this every single time and every single time it somehow still feels right to say "okay but we know better now" even though that's exactly what we thought every single time. Why is now statistically likely to be different? It's not. My position is an uncomfortable one in that I feel I could (sadly) almost bet my very life c will never be exceeded given the current evidence, but then there's the nagging history of being wrong. It also feels a lot like I seemingly caught my wife in bed with someone else, saw it with my own two eyes, got it on camera, there were 10 witnesses, she says it didn't happen, I would seemingly be insane to believe her, but I have a history of having falsely accused her 100 times, each time feeling that sure. What do you do with that? That's the situation we're in with c.

@@zrebbesh It does mean however that we will never, ever be able to visit anything outside the local group, which, considering the mind boggling size of the entire universe, means we will only ever be able to live on a speck comparatively. To one up OP, I would even dare to say the scariest words ever spoken would be "In a no-FTL universe, doomed to heat death...". It means after a few trillion years our civilization will either have to live around a black hole or die from starvation, only delaying the inevitable. That is genuinely scary for most people, including me.

i can't see it, when you bunker yourself i see only stagnation as it is like containing yourself to a singular pillow in your own house...

​@@SirHeinzbondA good science fiction setting isn't necessarily a good place to live. Great stories can emerge from the most hellish settings.

@@razorednight I agree, but not sure if stagnation and fortressing (if this is even a word...) are good Story points... For me a story means a movement from one point to another, if local, psychological or otherwise....there was a book series, Gibraltar Stars I think it was, but I disliked it, instantly... I don't want to read only positive stuff, but not to watch the characters to do the hedgehog...

Whoever hides within their fortress loses the initiative in War. I can see that equally applying to civilisations on a whole losing their initiative and stagnating.

You would love Dune then

Not social distancing, but I had an idea of aliens very freewheeling when it comes to trade, war, piracy and colonizing any system… except for one, the home system of any life.

If they've made it to space they probably aren't dumb enough to make friends with people who have invaded literally all other nations on their planet and butchered 4 billion humans. Nor are they likely to be swayed by your indignation, propaganda and bipolar disorder.

The idea that every single being in the galaxy could adhere to that with no deviations would suggest they are all in fact machines.

@@TGBurgerGaming the few that don’t follow would find repulsive fields that curtail them on all sides. The gaps between tree canopies comes to mind, a single tree doesn’t break it because there is no benefit and lots of down side to breaking the norms.

​@@jsbrads1 again that assumes everyone is going to agree to that. If for example i wanted to bring down your barrier generator i would dump rubbish that accidentally hits your barrier generator. Woops. Oh, well might as well corner the market while I'm here. 🤑🤑🤑

Indeed there's not even a slight accent. He responded quickly to speech therapy

A good doctor can nail it while others take good guesses. If a doctor tells you there is no fix. Seek a new opinion. He had exercises to do too, and obviously he has been working on that with vigor. I do love to see how far his audio has come, that rascally rabbit.

IA is the King of the KZfaq.

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Seriously, what kind of fellow overcomes a life challenge by making great content for folks to enjoy? Way to go, Mr. Arthur!

I agree. Great videos and I don’t always agree with the logic either. Aliens might be as dumb as many of us are.

Ideals and varying levels of wealth are the biggest source of conflict on our little Earth. We are highly social animals, while skin color and language may cause shallow altercations, ultimately they are rarely the sole source of conflict. if we encounter an extraterrestrial civilization they will likely come to convert us to adopt and believe in their ways or face extermination.

​@@pyroromancerKhorne cares not from whence the blood flows. Only that it flows.

@@pyroromancer sorry, but you are way off on the skin color thing - it has verry much has an effect on how some groups get treated vs others when the conditions are otherwise the same or ultra similar or simply similar enough.

@@xBINARYGODx I disagree. The ultimate causes of war are perceptions of shortages, or the notion that some economic advantage is worth the blood and expense. Issues such as religion motivate troops to fight, but have little to do with why governments initiate war in the first place. Even the "peculiar institution," the consequence of which continue to plague us in the United States, started out as a way to gain economic advantage through the exploitation of the labor of others. When labor-intensive extraction or farming of high-demand commodities offer a couple of the *very few* means to reliably live more prosperously, then exploitation of labor absolutely will occur. Skin-color is nothing more than a easy way to distinguish between the exploiter and the exploited.

@@pyroromancer Extermination is a really bad look and they might face consequence’s. I’d imagine permission would be needed by many to even contact us and with conversion being a choice.(on top of many assumptions)

Simply observing nature on Earth tells us that every species viciously fights for food and survival. We can't expect nature anywhere in the universe to be any different. So, of course, it's a hostile universe.

@@shatteredteethofgod The chances of you being correct are next to nothing.

@@shatteredteethofgod And you have even less grounds for your supposition that it does vary that widely. We just won't know until we get out there.

@@shatteredteethofgod No grounds except that the universe _appears_ to all function under the same rules. The properties of life are emergent from those. The question of sentients being implacably hostile to each other has more to do with their views on the value of cooperation versus the dangers of hostility, which seems much more variable than successful, mindless life expanding to the full extent that it can.

@@continentalgin The longer it takes to get anywhere the less likely a hostile race would encounter any rivals or victims before turning on themselves. The same argument may apply to civilizations ripping themselves apart before any grand engineering like Dyson Spheres visible from outside their galaxy can be completed. Imo whatever the reality is must involve a lot more skulking and hiding than conquest to account for what we do and don't see. While you could never be sure you aren't entirely visible to some civilization that was watching since before yours had fire it's reasonably clear that if anyone was watching they obviously didn't destroy you and so probably have other priorities. It seems increasingly likely to me that the classic urge to unrestrained expansion must itself be a Great Filter and eliminated for a civilization to survive long enough for non FTL colonization to reach anywhere or for that matter for any FTL to pan out, in either case thereafter resulting in a much lighter and more spread out footprint than most colonization scenarios assume. So even if some arbitrarily fast FTL later becomes available making travel to the farthest galaxies practical, the large majority of civilizations may logically choose to not aggressively overbuild or to ever tolerate it.

Unfortunately, assimilated or not, they will eventually resplit as the local conditions will inevitability craft the differences between them.

That story has FTL

Cool story. It’s on the HPMOR podcast in audio format too.

See I liked the “bad ending “way better everyone learns to get along we get to keep art and culture and we all transcend into a brave new era together. The true ending is just depressing where it turns out yeah no more pieces of shit who can’t evolve so we end up nuking our only chance of trying something new and beautiful because we’re scared and clinging on the past.

@@henryaudobooks9678 Out of curiosity, does the doomsday scenario of a rogue AI seeking to fulfill its directive of making all humans happy by restraining us (or turning us all into just brains in a vat) and pumping us full of euphoric drugs constantly not sound all that bad to you? Granted in the 'bad' ending of Three Worlds' Collide we're still mobile and 'free' after being changed, but it's still implied we've basically lost ourselves from it

AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaand: There's not much to see, what there IS to see is VERY far away, we don't quite know what we're looking for, and if we DID we might be a little out-of-phase with it, aliens are remarking on it being a slow eon lately.... Our local group might be a little bit of a backwater, and best of all: Maybe NOBODY NOWHERE NEVER has yet gone faster than light, or even anything LIKE the Speed O' Light, which I see no reason at all to think is going to happen, or has ever happened! That doesn't prove anything! BUT NEITHER does one's sci-fi-driven feeling that it SURELY MUST be possible, because we seen it in Star Wars! I personally believe that the Alleged Paradox is the food of idiots, and only exciting and compelling to persons who can't tell Science-Fiction from Science. You're all talking nonsense as far as I can tell! That being said, the videos are very striking and compelling.

@@shatteredteethofgod I'm pretty sure they were just offering their opinion on what they think the solution to the paradox is, and just used imprecise wording.

Kinda, we would easily miss an isolated dyson right now, not because its stealthy but just because it doesn't really stick out unless you are looking at it. Anything inside a thousand light years, yes we'd spot that, beyond that, it would depend a lot on if someone examining infrared data did a double-take on it, so to speak. It's big collection of millions of them that we couldn't miss. In a few decades, with AI able to look through everything for little anomalies like that and our IR detection getting better, yeah, we'd see it, but there's could be hundreds of them scattered around our galaxy by themselves or in small groups and we could miss that.

@@isaacarthurSFIA Idk if advanced civilizations would need buffer zones more than thousand light years large. That's a lot of resources to deny oneself just to be 100% sure you aren't gonna start a war. If we truly are in an interdiction zone and the empires involved are willing to leave so much empty space as a buffer, they would probably be very large empires to which the resources in that space are miniscule and would need a large buffer so that news of mistakes can reach the capitol in time. But empires that large would probably be very detectable as well.

@@isaacarthurSFIA one big hole is some of the reasoning I heard on a lot of videos is that zoo hypothesis (and a few related) is unfalsifiable and therefore not scientific. A lot of zoo hypothesis can be broken into scientific falsifiable subsets, namely there is a civilization on planet ABC or megastructure XYZ and that civilization is doing zoo hypothesis on us. Once we can check all anomalies with AI and future large scale surveys we can falsify all of them. It does not falsify all of zoo hypothesis, but it does falsify the most plausible versions of zoo hypothesis.

@@isaacarthurSFIA its bold of people to assume aliens would even need energy like humans, have you considered alternative power systems? like a fungi microprocesser that has been found to be in development? or organic spaceships? i doubt they would need a dysonsphere etc

​@@NeostormXLMAX I mean, that's fascinating... but it's _also_ a far, _far, _*_far,_* less potent, and therefore the fact that they'd skip out on something _that much_ more powerful using technology that _really_ isn't *_that_* much less advanced (see low-tech K-2 civilizations) violates non-exclusivity.

Ian was the best 👌

the Dwellers as a species are simply hilarious

​@@joskeguereza3714I love it when that guy who invaded the system tries to threaten them...

Yeah and "blood is thicker tham water" in its original context has the opposite meaning of how people generally use it now. Get over it.

@@coyoteblue4027 This isn't the same thing. First of all, Frost would be appalled to have the meaning of his poem mangled, and the "content creator" of a channel who purports to be some sort of science guru should know better.

@@Truth_Teller_101 the fuck does robert frost have to do with astrophysics? Why would you expect IA to be an expert in stuffy late victorian poetry? Get a grip. Also, it is exactly the same. An author wrote a thing. It entered into popular usage with a meaning that is diametrical to its original meaning. Logically identical situations. And robert frost is dead. No one gives a shit what he thinks of his poems, because he doesn't think anything about anyrhing, because he is dead.

@coyoteblue4027 you didn’t have to seethe this hard lmao 😂

@@thesilentgod7863 they're the one who was seething. I just told them what's what.

It's like finding the needle in a haystack that is itself in a pile of haystacks inside a barn that is part of an entire state covered entirely in the exact same red-with-white-trim barns. We still have a LOT of places to check and we might be an interstellar civilization by the time we finally find the needle... only to find out the needle was made of plastic and that's why we couldn't find the damn thing with our metal detectors.

To be honest: UFP held small size of galaxy, had only FTL capable members to start with and was *very* sparsely populated.

yeah the assumption on getting close to lightspeed i find laughable. 1% seems dangerous imo. so then you'd have to catch a ride on a brown dwarf or rogue planet beyond the oort, terraform it, and spread via osmosis. that and rare earth (modified to rare sun) explains everything fine. plus metallicity and galactic habitable zones makes it likely we are too soon in our galaxies age to determine if late filters also exist

Big Gurren Lagann Energy. 👍

@@interstellarsurfer Eww. I hated Gurren Lagaan. :/

Gall Force

@@ArawnOfAnnwn bad taste

​​​@@FRODOGOOFBALL"...THEY USED THE PLANET KILLERS... all our home worlds were destroyed..."

We should save the wider universe from our melodrama lol.

what if they were monitoring our social media studying us getting ready to contact us. And then they saw Twitter now a full quarantine is strictly enforced

Now I want you to read Captain Ginger , a comic where we all died out and our cats inherited a starship. Plus they mutated in intelligent humanoids

@@keithharper32 if they read twitter now they know, to not mess around with the ones made in gods shape!!!

Hmmm pretty good point tbh

I mean, not really if all your core systems in your "officially inhabited zone" are built up enough. You could do stuff like make a shakadov thruster made of the dyson swarm around the star, control the direction the star travels and thereby keep your systems traveling 'in formation'. Or even create artificial black holes to use as local barycenter's of gravity that would 'naturally' keep the stars in a rough grouping, moving together. Your 'desert zone' around the fortress region would move, but that might be seen as preferable since you can then pillage these new stars that you "pass by" and strip mine those too. So you're "buffer zone" would be a sort of streak across the galaxy not too unlike a comet and it's cometary tail. Hell, we might already be seeing this in the form of some of the globular clusters within the galaxy. The "Metal poor" stars in these old systems might simply just have been star-lifted, and the civilization that inhabits the cluster dumps most of this extra mass it's not using into black holes for long term, late universe storage. We take for granted that things like globular clusters are simply natural and base a lot of our understanding of the universe around these assumptions. If any one of these "natural" features of a galaxy like the milky way isn't natural, it'd rewrite a lot of astronomy.

Isn't the dark matter hypothesis based on the fact that stars in the outer galaxy orbit at the same speeds generally as those close to the center?

I think many (most?) people don't know about that original meaning anymore. The sense of 'you stay on your side, I'll stay on mine' seems to have taken over, so it's not really inappropriate under _that_ usage. Thank you for the information, though.

It's like the phrase "They were decimated..." now meaning completely destroyed. In Latin in the context of the Romans it meant "1 in 10" and was used as a type of punishment to keep regiments in line.

@@Truth_Teller_101 Yeah, I think of the how the original definition _drastically_ changes from the intended meaning whenever that one comes up. _'Only _*_decimated?_*_ That's not so bad, then.'_

The more you know

Thank you for the reminder.

Nobody is sending signals that take thousands or hundreds of thousands of years to reach their destination. Entire species get wiped out or evolve into new species in such time frames.

Yet in that same episode the intelligence stated that some problems require a more nuanced understanding of things from time to time, more than just simple instinct of chemical processescould ever provide. Just because the big brain thing is hibernating most of the time dosnt mean that it isn't there, or not vital for continued survival. Sometimes you just gotta have a good think about things, ya know?

I'm going to guess you meant Minbari and that was auto corrected.

That's an impressive number of useless platitudes shoved into one short paragraph. Unironic bravo.

I would be inclined to agree. In a no-FTL universe, it makes a great deal of sense to keep the population within the radius of the Dyson-swarm / heliopause of one's home star & have automated drones to strip-mine nearly everything else that one can reach & send back. Though personally, I do hope for FTL somehow being possible.

Simulation theory is nothing but self-important human drivel and arrogance

No communication using means we currently use.

Op you are incorrect. Check the alien beacons episode. Intentional beacons can be seen at galactic distances. Any dyson can do it

@@cosmictreason2242 sweet Summer Child 🤗

@@jhwheuer bro. Don't be ignorant. Learn.

Aye we just don't know if stargates or warp drives are possible on our tech tree

@@chaucermcdoogle6011 Yes. Unfortunately we don't have nearly enough understanding to accomplish this, even if we knew it was possible.