Isiah Thomas crowns LeBron James as the GOAT over Michael Jordan | NBA

Isiah Thomas crowns LeBron James as the GOAT over Michael Jordan | NBA | UNDISPUTED

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Isiah Thomas has already made it clear that he thinks Los Angeles Lakers F LeBron James will go down as the GOAT by the time he retires. Yesterday Thomas tweeted one of the reasons why, saying that LeBron quote, “will be the all-time leader in points scored in the NBA and he has never been viewed as a score first player.” Michael Jordan is universally recognized as the greatest NBA player of all-time prompting Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe to have a classic GOAT debate.
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Isiah Thomas crowns LeBron James as the GOAT over Michael Jordan | NBA | UNDISPUTED
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@RING_FF Жыл бұрын

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@RING_FF Жыл бұрын

@johnny6610 Жыл бұрын

Zeke continues throwing stones at MJ, this is a real rivalry folks.

@futuretrunks4669 Жыл бұрын

Goat bronze medalist,Lebronze 🥉🥉🤣🤣

@mikesoles1970 Жыл бұрын

@justmeuncty Жыл бұрын

Skip forgets the all time scoring record is a longevity award within itself. Kareem played 20 seasons himself.

@myronpearson9427 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@FreezeIzGawd0517 Жыл бұрын

That’s just a DUMB topic Of course it’s a longevity award It’s 38,000 point. There are only 82 games in a season So unless you score 4000 points a game IT LITERALLY WILL TAKE YEARS

@michaeltorres3543 Жыл бұрын

And Kareem got it the way Skip talks about LeBron getting it where he makes it seem like lebron fell off and is scoring 10ppg trying to get the record

@RockyHoward Жыл бұрын

@@michaeltorres3543 Kareem didn’t “fall off”, he was fricking 41! Let’s see Lebron at 41 first.

@venusspacey9685 Жыл бұрын

Skip don't understand LeBron make it look easy finishing at the rim. It's not athletism that's putting the ball threw the net.

@nickkorea5850 Жыл бұрын

Longevity is always a knock on LeBron while Brady is praised for it. Complete double standard. Not LeBron's fault Jordan retired twice or that Bron was good enough right out of high school

@AnonymousRandomGuy006 Жыл бұрын

Good points

@didjen181 Жыл бұрын

come on you know that not the same. lebron got a losing record in the finals unlike brady. and lebron hasn't surpassed jordan in rings while brady surpassed montana in rings. stop being dumb

@afambasil753 Жыл бұрын

Longevity with less achievements. Try again

@IlmaliklI Жыл бұрын

@@afambasil753 replace the jazz or another team like that with the kd warriors and Jordan woulda retired a third time lol

@C2Poke Жыл бұрын

@@afambasil753 - Actually Lebron has more achievements. Jordan sycophants just disregard every achievement that Jordan wasn't the best at.

@Thatwhiteblackkid Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy to know that people think it’s easy to average 27ppg in the NBA over the course of 19 seasons.

@robbier3785 Жыл бұрын

I mean in an era where defense has become non existent, it’s not hard to imagine a great player like Lebron average that much

@s.s7337 Жыл бұрын

Scoring is by far the best thing Lebron does.

@GentlemensInsanity Жыл бұрын

@@robbier3785 lebron played half his career in the 00’s they didn’t play defense then either?

@i_chosen_one_ips432 Жыл бұрын

@@GentlemensInsanity no because they removed hand checking and sent players the the free throw a lot like they do today

@rajohnbarnes4168 Жыл бұрын

@@i_chosen_one_ips432 lebron came into the league where they were still playing tough defense

@SS.Hollywood Жыл бұрын

“Isaiah had two plates!!!!! Magic was at the buffet”😂😂😂 I love Shannon

@adrianb2851 Жыл бұрын

We needed a guy like Shannon he always reminds the old heads the stuff they don’t mention when Jordan gets brought up.

@maccrew612 Жыл бұрын

Shannon ate on Hater in this one. I will concede that Zeke has bias though, but it is still conceivable that his opinion is valid.

@adrianb2851 Жыл бұрын

@@maccrew612 agreed

@afambasil753 Жыл бұрын

MJ still holds a better record than all of them in the finals. And yeah they had the better team than Michael y'all know the story when he finally understood bball was a team game... you saw the numbers.

@iamkingbeats Жыл бұрын

It must’ve been like the last supper on lebron watch then. Everybody ate more. That same argument works against lebron as well.

@bfns2353 Жыл бұрын

Skip knows for a fact if KD keeps playing how he is today up until he's 38 that'll be impressive asf and he'll call KD the baby goat behind MJ but he somehow holds it against Bron for sustaining greatness for 19 years straight.

@TheEvard14 Жыл бұрын

They all great af

@sohnhazel2409 Жыл бұрын

Yah yah yah, let it go- MJ is & always will be the G.O.A.T. wthout question...wth LBJ on the othr hand u gotta question almost evryrhing, but MJ is a sure thing HANDS DWN!! & im not an MJ fan. 4r

@2robjenkins Жыл бұрын

It’s the only narrative he can create at this point, other than his finals record.

@T.H.U.G Жыл бұрын

Truth

@Augrills Жыл бұрын

You know, I know, and Skip knows that KD will never be the goat. He could win the next four years in BKYN and he wouldn’t catch 23. He’d be better than Bron, though

@Saitam79 Жыл бұрын

Isaiah still mad at MJ for that 92' Dream Team snub 😂

@siriusblack4591 Жыл бұрын

funny thing is it wasn’t just because of MJ, pretty much half the players on the dream team didn’t like Isiah or had some type of beef with him. That’s the main reason why he was left off

@juwantaylor5293 Жыл бұрын

Facts 😆

@juwantaylor5293 Жыл бұрын

@@siriusblack4591 but mj is better than lebron clearly come on now

@TeflonBTM Жыл бұрын

📠

@BG-mn6di Жыл бұрын

shiddd I would be too.

@rahsheedashley1817 Жыл бұрын

I don't even know why people still expect him to have a good argument he's been a troll for years what makes y'all think he's ever gonna stop trolling?

@Flowerz__ Жыл бұрын

Yeah his arguments remind me of how trump talks

@warrenbrooks7053 Жыл бұрын

@@Flowerz__ check your gas prices and all other prices and look at the condition of the world and then repent

@doctorshutup9817 Жыл бұрын

Jordan being better is just a fact you casual.

@blackscreen1810 Жыл бұрын

Everything he says in the video is true. Have you ever heard anyone say Lebron isn’t a good scorer? Even Skip has never said that. It is a longevity award obviously. You can’t make the Brady comparison because no one looks at Bradys totals stats as the reason he’s the goat they look at his rings. MJ is obviously a better scorer than Lebron. Just like Lebron is a better passer than MJ.

@TheOnlyBallout Жыл бұрын

@@Maine_thought that’s comical to say

@michaelepps7838 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure I have heard Skip on many occasions saying that LeBron was a pass 1st player and criticized Bron for not being a score 1st player 🤨

@danielshropshire3443 Жыл бұрын

Fact’s!

@kisuryouri334 Жыл бұрын

this old man so delusional literally obsessed with LeBron

@DanceswithHyenas Жыл бұрын

I read no lies. He actually criticises Lebron for making the right play and not "shooting" the ball.

@timhardy5031 Жыл бұрын

He said when the is on the line

@sammyhonerd677 Жыл бұрын

Yeah in clutch moments.

@d-boent.8577 Жыл бұрын

The fact that Michael was able to keep Isaiah off the Dream Team shows how much control he had….he took food off that man plate

@christiano2349 Жыл бұрын

The biggest misconception is that Lebron is pass first LOL

@fadelesstrain3770 Жыл бұрын

Exactly he career fga is 19.8 more than Kobe who’s considered a ball hog lol

@xenesa8114 Жыл бұрын

@@fadelesstrain3770 Thats primarily because of Kobe's younger years where he was a bench player.

@purerage7812 Жыл бұрын

@@xenesa8114 they always put numbers with no context. LeBron has also been better for a longer period of time so his averages will be higher

@fuckallthat6090 Жыл бұрын

@@fadelesstrain3770 More FGA per game than KD too but dont let the bron nuthuggers hear that

@SweetNWater Жыл бұрын

@@fadelesstrain3770 wrong, pass first means he looks to get his team mates involved first, if it’s not there then he’ll take it, that wasn’t Jordan or Kobe

@selfiekroos1777 Жыл бұрын

Magic had 5 chips and 9 finals in 11 seasons

@Raul7663 Жыл бұрын

“Magic was at the buffet” 💀

@donaldmilton49 Жыл бұрын

"Jordan had no competition"

@thetruth-gy2lc Жыл бұрын

Jordan wasn’t even in the league til 84-85 (Magic won 3 by then ) lol Magic had a Big Mac meal at McDonald’s is more like it 😭

@kingnegus5000 Жыл бұрын

@@donaldmilton49 forreal that's how good he was. Made it look like he had no competition

@phenom5075 Жыл бұрын

Isiah did say mike was the goat numerous times especially when he used to commentate during those nba nbc games in the 90s

@munoken Жыл бұрын

Yeah he's an idiot

@tylerhingleton8493 Жыл бұрын

He just saying what the media heads wanted to hear. He always had Kareem as number 1 for the longest.

@KayBeen Жыл бұрын

Lebron didn't play in the 90s

@phenom5075 Жыл бұрын

@@KayBeen ugh its 2022 the general consensus is still michael jordan is the greatest of all time.

@KayBeen Жыл бұрын

@@phenom5075 you have a point. But if anyone mostly older players say LeBron is better there is backlash or that person has an agenda against Jordan.

@raheimjones2217 Жыл бұрын

I spit out my drink when Skip said Lebron was a “shoot 1st” guy 😂almost sounded like Pierce calling Steph a “Wing guy” 😂😂

@syzorst Жыл бұрын

Well Lebron is a good passer but he's more of a scorer. Steph is a PG but plays like a SG so it's understandable why Steph is called a wing.

@raheimjones2217 Жыл бұрын

@@syzorst and if It’s clouds in the sky Issa chance for rain 😂 stop it please don’t continue with this argument

@bbginc694 Жыл бұрын

Lebron is a scorer, you cant average 27 ppg and not be a score first player.

@raheimjones2217 Жыл бұрын

@@bbginc694 I feel like you argue with yo eyes close Lebron is NOT a score 1st player Lebron is Lebron he can do EVERYTHING at a high level

@zedon8769 Жыл бұрын

I have been saying that for years if LeBron was only interested in scoring he would of eclipse that scoring tile longtime ago .

@GBULL1982 Жыл бұрын

Right

@rafa328 Жыл бұрын

Facts and a half

@thejinx8413 Жыл бұрын

If mj also interested in stat pads like lebron.. he will have many triple double like other greats so? And if mj interested in breaking alltime stats he will never retired twice 🤷‍♀️

@nicstone3141 Жыл бұрын

@@thejinx8413 Stat padding you mean like when MJ came back and was counting points for 2 yrs to make sure his career avg stayed at 30 and if lebron was really stat padding he could have averaged a trip dub for his career now say I'm lying 27 7 and 7 so plus 3 more in ast and boards would have been nothing to get if he forced the issue and he retired twice why he said himself he was burned out

@abdeenabdul7803 Жыл бұрын

That's cap

@Mister.Patterson Жыл бұрын

The fact that Kareem scored 38,000+ points with only one made 3 pointer in his career his INCREDIBLE in its own right. Crazy to think LeBron of all ppl will pass him.

@grimhunter2223 Жыл бұрын

That's one of the reasons why Kareem is the GOAT.

@chrisbonfigkio3892 Жыл бұрын

That sky hook was nasty.

@Mister.Patterson Жыл бұрын

@@grimhunter2223 I don’t know why he isn’t brought up more in that convo. He was pretty much regarded as that until MJ became MJ

@nate8604 Жыл бұрын

Karl Malone, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and LeBron James, have three scoring titles combined in their careers, and they’re the top three scorers ever…..wild to think.

@ASalahSamak Жыл бұрын

Kareem is the greatest winner of ALL TIME so it's not uncommon for him to get much without scoring 3s. 5 greats are on a complete different dimension that only belongs to them entirely. MJ , LBJ, Wilt, late Bill Russell and Kareem

@Soulpandakitchen Жыл бұрын

Okay a longevity stat is averaging 15-20 pts for 20 plus years. LeBron has averaged nearly a triple double his entire career and over 27 ppg consistently. That’s not longevity that’s greatness. People keep knocking lebron for his “longevity” but they praise Kobe (RIP) for being a great scorer and lebron has 3000 more points than him in less seasons. Lebron is also the fastest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 pts. And that was over 10 years ago when he was in Miami.

@bwilliams3904 Жыл бұрын

Broke that down beautifully bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Columbiawarriorsbasketball Жыл бұрын

He also had an advantage of playing at 17. Had less injuries than Kobe. Played more games than Kobe. Does he have all time leading ppg?

@suntansuperman26 Жыл бұрын

LeBron wasn’t the fastest Wilt was the fastest, he was the youngest

@uncleb3545 Жыл бұрын

@@Columbiawarriorsbasketball they both came in the same age. His fault Kobe got hurt. Yet he averages more than Kobe.

@trainpushingtutorials2822 Жыл бұрын

@@Columbiawarriorsbasketball Bro u realise u saying he came at such a young age is making lebron's case even more significant? and wasnt he still in school at 17

@JordanFans78 Жыл бұрын

Jordan in year 15 and Bron at year 15 Jordan had more points at the end of his career than Bron 😂

@loubensoctave3986 Жыл бұрын

And Who took more shots though?

@Advent616 Жыл бұрын

@@loubensoctave3986 Lebron still made 1000+ more 3pters than Jordan at that point. The 3pt line wasn't encouraged by coaches back then because logically, why would you take that many difficult shots that far from the basket? It's no different that the exact reason why you guys bash Kobe for his FG%.

@fadya.3660 Жыл бұрын

This feels like the same tired conversation of MJ vs Lebron, throwing in the same tired conversation of IT versus MJ in there as well.

@Eric-qv2rz Жыл бұрын

Of course. You have Aaron Judge on the verge of being the Real hone run king and you still talkinf this tired debatel!!

@theonewhoknocks8680 Жыл бұрын

Maybe bc nobody cares about baseball ? Lol

@fadya.3660 Жыл бұрын

@@Eric-qv2rz well we all know baseball gets terrible ratings lol focusing on more current events in NBA free agency or the nfl season starting would make more sense. I feel for you on baseball but it’s be a waste of TV time because ratings show people don’t care about baseball, relatively speaking.

@Hot33333333 Жыл бұрын

@@Eric-qv2rz who tf watching baseball bro 😂😂😂😂😂

@THP999 Жыл бұрын

For someone who loves MJ so much, Skip has such tired and limited arguments regarding him. Doesn't even counter that the Pistons were not old.

@dnice4145 Жыл бұрын

IKR, skip is terrible at debating. I think he's just too old at this point to think quickly on his feet to respond to Shannon's bs. So he resorts to reciting the same facts.

@dxjx23 Жыл бұрын

That's because the debate has been over after a while it gets pretty annoying his face so annoyance what are you guys even talking about😂🤷‍♂️🤦

@willdiesel8431 Жыл бұрын

Same with LeShannon and LBJ.

@jordanhutton5787 Жыл бұрын

And the Pistons were back to back champs when the Bulls finally swept them

@dxjx23 Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhutton5787 yes Jordan lost he also lost against the Magic when he came back from playing baseball but once he got to the finals he never lost two three peats. There's only been one other three peat and that one was Kobe with Shaq so what are you guys talking about again a whole bunch of craziness that's what you're talking about. No one cares about playoffs lost or appearances unless your trying to be called the goat

@zachmccabe7510 Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how people say " well LeBron played more seasons!" That's not an argument to me. That actually MORE IMPRESSIVE LMAO.

@206legend3 Жыл бұрын

If u knew why Jordan stopped playing you’d understand..

@angelaquino6755 Жыл бұрын

How is that more impressive? Imagine being an actor, or any other type of artist or athlete. If I had a 10 year career and won 5 oscars, and you had a 15 year career and only won 3. What’s more impressive? If you were an actor for 5 years longer and still won less Oscars that I did. That’s the exact case with Bron and MJ. Bron has played 5 more seasons, yet still have 2 less rings, 2 less FMVPs, 1 less MVP, 1 less DPOY, 9 less scoring titles, 3 less steal titles, the list goes on… of course, longevity matters and a player should be praised for it, but it isn’t the only thing. What good is your longevity if you still achieved less? Just saying.

@youngskyler7568 Жыл бұрын

Jordan accomplish more in less years

@manuelrodriguez9972 Жыл бұрын

@@206legend3 Excuses. I’m 43 yrs old and I know. Jordan shortened his own career, and I’m mad because I’m Bulls fan and I wanted to enjoy him more something that LeBron has given us. He never loved the game, he loved himself.

@fcarter3863 Жыл бұрын

So Vince Carter is better than Larry Bird? Vince has more points and played more seasons

@slammin04sammy Жыл бұрын

im gonna make a bet with myself before continuing the video. skip will say its blasphemy, and IT only said this because he doesnt like Jordan and is jealous of him and still holds a grudge for being snubbed on the dream team.

@rodneynrivers Жыл бұрын

Well skip is right

@Sports-media180 Жыл бұрын

After Jordan won the first ring IT Never had a sniff at the ring again. Let’s be honest was Kareem ever a GOAT while he had that scoring record. NO HE WASNT. So what makes u think james will.

@dlxinfinite801 Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Zeke sounds like the girl who wasnt picked. 30+ years ago.

@increasekru5123 Жыл бұрын

The Isiah hat for Jordan is unbelievable, he knows MJ is the GOAT

@rell_5000 Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Kobe is 1st all time at SG for assists, and he never shook his gunner label, nor did he ever get props for how good of a passer he was. That's just how it goes with "narratives" and bs.

@MrJreed98 Жыл бұрын

I never knew that! Wow, I appreciate the education

@lastassassin5674 Жыл бұрын

People who actually watch the game know Kobe was passer , people just hate

@Sakamoshi Жыл бұрын

Kobe only passed when he was quadruple teamed. Lebrons assists are positionless all time stats

@rell_5000 Жыл бұрын

@@Sakamoshi Must've been a lot of quadruple teams. More than Wade, MJ, Harden, Hornacek, Carter, Iverson and McGrady ever saw huh? The point though, is that Kobe has that stigma from people like you, when reality says something else, similar to LeBron scoring.

@Sakamoshi Жыл бұрын

@@rell_5000 point is who cares. He's nowhere near the top 10. I was embellishing obviously, but he wasn't a great passer. Lebron is. And LeAssister played the 3/4 position most of his career. Everyone else in the TOP 30 are PGs. Useless info in an ice cold take. 🥶

@nmbmemphisbeast3690 Жыл бұрын

At the time bron passed Jordan he did it on less shots..yes hes taken more shots than mj now and hes also way higher on the scoring list tf

@russelturner5771 Жыл бұрын

Way more three's, so there's that.

@nmbmemphisbeast3690 Жыл бұрын

Who's fault is it that Jordan wasnt a better 3pt shooter? Yall said bron cant shoot also lol cant win for losing

@darnellwilliams8783 Жыл бұрын

Nmb Memphis beast smh LeBron stat pad meanwhile Jordan won every championship never he cared more about those

@manan612 Жыл бұрын

Why don’t you count the free throw attempts as well

@rfoster8 Жыл бұрын

@@darnellwilliams8783 Jordan only played 6 seasons??

@travionjohnson3975 Жыл бұрын

The top 3 scorers played atleast 20 seasons pretty simple. Don’t matter if you’re considered a score first player if you play 20 years control the offense and ball you’ll score

@kenmckinnie6061 Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy how you hate him so much that you can’t even give him credit where it’s due🤡😂😂

@maricioboler5872 Жыл бұрын

Can you name those 3 for the classroom please and how much they averaged for their career? Ain't Haslem playing his 20 something season this year and he ain't no where close. Stop hating

@travionjohnson3975 Жыл бұрын

@@maricioboler5872 Clean your kneepads off so sensitive🤣 Kareem Bron Malone all played atleast 20 and are alltime greats that’s the point I wasn’t saying all players that play 20 years will break records

@theALMIGHTY987 Жыл бұрын

@@maricioboler5872 Didn't LeBron start in the league@18 & the great MJ@22? He already had a jumpstart on him, Lebron's legacy is his durability & longevity......the great MJ was just DOMINANCE! 6RINGZ!!!!!!

@trainpushingtutorials2822 Жыл бұрын

@@theALMIGHTY987 why wasn't mj playing when he 18

@ydlee5888 Жыл бұрын

Isiah Thomas should be disqualified from commenting on anything to do with Jordan due to bias or jealousy and hate.

@insidejah9293 Жыл бұрын

Sooooo... Nobody has bias except Isiah Thomas????

@ydlee5888 Жыл бұрын

@@insidejah9293 You missed hate and jealousy?

@insidejah9293 Жыл бұрын

@@ydlee5888 Soo nobody else in the basketball world has bias, hate, jealousy except Isiah Thomas????

@ydlee5888 Жыл бұрын

@@insidejah9293 I think you should be disqualified due to inability to understand what's going on. I'm talking about direct hate and jealousy Isiah Thomas has towards Michael Jordan. So obviously, he's going to badmouth Jordan whenever possible while pretending not to and never would admit that he's the GOAT.

@waldolibby4391 Жыл бұрын

Only thing I disagree with Shannon is when he says nobody is as good as Lebron in year 17, 18 and 19. Kareem and Michael played 3 years of college so they were both 3 years older than Lebron in those years! If you want to compare Kobe with Lebron in those late years ok that makes sense since they both went pro out of high-school at 18 years old. The real king of longevity is Vince Carter he played 22 nba seasons after going to college for 3 years. If he went pro after high-school he would of played 25 nba seasons wow 👏

@LanceNoir Жыл бұрын

Those guys weren’t as good as Bron at age 37-38

@jacobfarley247 Жыл бұрын

U realize Vince carter played his last couple of years on the bench lebron has played 20 straight seasons as a starter 🤡

@ltothet7247 Жыл бұрын

So, LeBron is Shannon's goat and Skip's goat is MJ? That's new

@drsmango Жыл бұрын

And you’re here commenting on the video, thus giving them more interaction which will factor into this continuing as a topic. If you don’t like it then just shut up. The irony of y’all commenting complaints like this is insane to me. It’s counterproductive to the point you’re trying to make lol😂

@unafraidjlay Жыл бұрын

Who knew?

@GoatJoe74 Жыл бұрын

😂

@pickledokra2963 Жыл бұрын

@@drsmango the topic isn't going to change because they're not good at changing it up. It has nothing to do with people commenting lol, that's boomer naivety.

@GoatJoe74 Жыл бұрын

@@drsmango bro it don’t matter if we comment on this or not. The topic will be here forever. Have a good day broski! ✌🏾

@markreadin7124 Жыл бұрын

GOAT debate is subjective, because it will depend on which criteria you value. If it's championships, Bill Russell. If it's individual stats, guys like Wilt and MJ come to mind. If it's sustained greatness, LeBron and Kareem. And anyone saying there is no GOAT debate is already participating in it 🤔

@actormertsirin Жыл бұрын

It is 100% not subjective. We all know MJ is clearly number 1. Stop this BS. Facts aren't subjective. Two three peats, 6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, 9 time all defense. No, it ain't subjective bub.

@tigerscott5929 Жыл бұрын

@@actormertsirin at this point, yes it’s absolutely subjective. For multiple reasons. A, based on what someone’s criteria is, B, likely depending on when you grew up and who you grew up watching, C, the fact that people magically put criteria on LeBron that never mattered before. The facts are there are people who love Mike, and there are people who love LeBron. There’s nothing wrong with either. But the criteria you’re basing your stance on matters.

@markreadin7124 Жыл бұрын

@@actormertsirin You can list bunch of accolades for anyone my guy 😂, doesn't make those the objective criteria. Who would even decide that?

@Iss.hinck7 Жыл бұрын

@@actormertsirin im with you bro!

@MikeJones-fz2mt Жыл бұрын

Stop the BS! MIKE IS GOAT these weird little kids think it’s bron smh

@xxmaskedupjayxx3006 Жыл бұрын

Man y’all don’t get tired of this same conversation 💀

@tj1317 Жыл бұрын

U know when Shannon won, when Skip start saying “Jordan went 6-0” he got nothing else to say

@Augrills Жыл бұрын

Shannon can’t win cause MJ is the goat

@martyg2333 Жыл бұрын

That's cause there's nothing else to say....MJ is the GOAT. It's a silly argument anyways, just like it was silly when we were comparing Kobe to Jordan. When the dust settles he'll be ranked somewhere between 2 - 10 but he'll never be ranked above MJ by the vast majority. You can't lose that many finals and still compare him to a guy that went undefeated. It's a losing battle.....

@tj1317 Жыл бұрын

So is Bill Russell the best of all time 😭😭😂😂

@tj1317 Жыл бұрын

And its crazy too cuz who was Mj’s hardest compilation in the finals

@andrewwilson2272 Жыл бұрын

yea he did

@gridirongod4207 Жыл бұрын

LeBron and Kobe average nearly the same amount of field goal attempts per game. Though LeBron averages more PPG and APG.

@Rjptz Жыл бұрын

damn they only .1 away from each other

@CallMeBezzy Жыл бұрын

If kobe played as passive as bron his numbers would be insane kobe was aggressive asl all the time

@spidaman2475 Жыл бұрын

Kobe is a great. I would take him over lebron

@Jcon4002 Жыл бұрын

And Lebron is more efficient

@hectorcervantes4025 Жыл бұрын

And this is why I find it ridiculous when people say he’s pass first, no pass first player shoots that much

@geraldhoward3361 Жыл бұрын

Longevity and physical advantage are Lebron's strengths and talents. They should be adding points to his greatness not minus. It's like i can say MJ had shooting advantage over Lebron.

@mrpearson1230 Жыл бұрын

...and rings, & scoring titles...etc

@clipsedrag13 Жыл бұрын

@@mrpearson1230 lebron is almost perfect. if he wasn't a social justice hypocrite, he'd be the greatest athlete/celebrity of all time. even so, he might still be

@GreaterThanSolomon Жыл бұрын

@@mrpearson1230 and defense alcolades

@GreaterThanSolomon Жыл бұрын

@@clipsedrag13 his social activism has nothing to do with how he plays. Get out of your feelings

@syracuse1433 Жыл бұрын

Prime Jordan was quicker and had a higher vertical than lebron. Lebron is stronger but this is basketball not football.

@Sean-gq6vj Жыл бұрын

Let’s not pretend that having a midrange or variety of ways to score doesn’t set you apart. Shaq didn’t have a mid range pull up game either. And that’s exactly why Kobe went one on one in a lot of late game situations.

@chadbinette3201 Жыл бұрын

Isiah has said Jordan is the goat, then he said it was Kareem, even though Kareem hasn't played a game 30plus years and now it's LeBron so whatever Isiah says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

@Mercil7 Жыл бұрын

He’s been saying LeBron

@ankeviousoliver4472 Жыл бұрын

Isiah said LeBron years ago and he can change his mind if he likes. The man knows basketball.

@calsums914 Жыл бұрын

Jordan hasn't played 20 years so what's the difference

@MrsOrganics Жыл бұрын

WHAT ! Are you dumb?! Of course the GOAT status can change as STATS and players change! What are you even talking about?!

@davidrandolph9397 Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. IT hates..

@MrJreed98 Жыл бұрын

This conversation has been run into the ground so much that who truly cares anymore?!?

@jefferybradley7187 Жыл бұрын

Right

@mikemorrow3238 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you 😂

@hiphophead4891 Жыл бұрын

Funny how people will say "Players say Kobe is better so he's better." But then when Isiah Thomas or other legends or players crown Lebron as the G.O.A.T all of a sudden they hate or dont know what they're talking about.

@thinktwice3211 Жыл бұрын

I bet you dont even know why IT hates MJ. IT's critique is flawed.

@hiphophead4891 Жыл бұрын

@@thinktwice3211 IT beat him more times than MJ beat him IT is not salty if anyone is its MJ he aired em out on the documentary.

@afambasil753 Жыл бұрын

Nobody's crowning Lebron only Jordan hater(s). They said Kobe surpassed MJ now LeBron tomorrow might be Giannis or Curry and NBA is making a lot of money. Difference between MJ others remains he'll be compared to the best player (s) of every era.

@hiphophead4891 Жыл бұрын

@@afambasil753 You're missing the point. I'm not crowning neither Lebron nor MJ the GOAT(I dont think there is one). Yes there's clearly an upper echelon of players but to say one is better than the other is blasphemous. Anyways my point was people will always bring up player opinions to boost their favorite players case in the G.O.A.T debate. Its more prevalent with Jordan and Kobe stans than it is with Lebron stans thats how I see it. Yet if players like Isiah Thomas, J.J Reddick, John Stockton, Etc. were to dare say something that Jordan and Kobe stans dont agree with. They either say they're jealous of MJ or they're dumb. Just callin out the hypocrisy thats all

@martyg2333 Жыл бұрын

@@hiphophead4891 It sounds like you're a biased Lebron d rider. Your OG comment doesn't even make sense. So when people make a case for Kobe or MJ they make little effort and people accept it but when people say LBJ is the goat people discredit them. Really? Why, because you saw it happen in one video?

@NastyWorks Жыл бұрын

skip and Shannon are forgetting that there are 33% more possessions in a game in this era than an MJ’s. That’s 33% more chances at rebounds assists and points

@facelessandnameless Жыл бұрын

Yup. This is definitely an era of major stat padding.

@senseicharles2856 Жыл бұрын

Yea but there’s only one basketball which means that 33% is shared by 9 other players on the court per game so that doesn’t mean lebron has 33% more of a chance you have to divide that by 9 for the other 9 players on the court with lebron and then factor in minutes in a game and other things so that 33% ain’t really that much of advantage …the 3 pointer is main difference between Kareem and Lebron and mj that’s it

@dapperdon5428 Жыл бұрын

@@senseicharles2856 that 33% is major when the offense is ran thru you and you have the ball 90% of the possessions

@nate8604 Жыл бұрын

Then why doesn’t Kobe have the accolades LeBron has??? KG played 21 seasons, Vince played 22 seasons, Tim Duncan played 20, you hold their accomplishments against them??? They don’t have the stats Bron does either, moot points.

@shayjames5099 Жыл бұрын

There is not 33% possessions at all the 87 season there was a average of 87.1 FGA per game last season 88.1 look it up

@gstacks_bundles3403 Жыл бұрын

Now days as soon a skip says its my I end the video carry on 🤣🤣🤣✌🏾

@existdissolve Жыл бұрын

Skip's amateurish psychoanalysis of every athlete on the planet is always a good laugh.

@martyg2333 Жыл бұрын

His expectations are completely unrealistic.

@LuisCarlos-zs3dv Жыл бұрын

I'm a 42 years Brazilian. I started to watch NBA right before the 92 Olympics. So, I saw all MJ career high and all Lebron's carreer. Having said that, every time I see Lebron in the court in a playoff game I think to myself: his team can beat any opponent just because Lebron. But, when I used to see MJ in a playoff game I used to think: no one can beat his team. So, for me, no matter numbers: MJ is the GOAT.

@dillonblase Жыл бұрын

Except they did beat his team from the time he was drafted up until 1991 when he reached his first finals 😂😂. If he was such a good “leader” or teammate he would’ve brought his team to the finals at least once in 7 years right? But he failed time and time again. He could only make it to the finals when he had pippen and that’s FACTS. Without pippen he doesn’t win any rings.

@teehee6492 Жыл бұрын

Okay fair, but that is also because mike had Dennis Rodman leading the league in rebounds, Scottie pippin, and one of the best coaches of all time. Just because the team is unbeatable doesn’t necessarily mean it has the greatest singular player on it

@LuisCarlos-zs3dv Жыл бұрын

@@dillonblase Like I said, I begun to watch NBA in 1991. And, that time I use to think exactly that about Jordan.

@kelahamutenya3217 Жыл бұрын

@@LuisCarlos-zs3dv the competition in the NBA from 2000 onwards was trancendent you cant compare. There was no competition for MJ, Scottie and Phil. if you compare just even the 90's foreign talent alone you are talking Olajuwon and thats it. The franchises were terribly run and the league in the 90's was just not as competitive and dont tell me about hard fouls im talking IQ. LBJ for me has played in the most talented era of the NBA at all levels not just on the court. Being dominant when your opponents are clearly weak is not as impressive than when you defeat some of the best teams in NBA history Namely GSW 2016 the Spurs 2013. I get the solidarity to nostalgia but im in my 40's and the kids from 2000 led by Kobe and co changed the game it was no longer a league just selling sneakers it actually became a true spectacle sport not brawling, just balling.

@wealthdiscoveries2641 Жыл бұрын

@@teehee6492 Jordan’s shot won that team their 6th ring, literally! Pip and Rod combined for 15 points in that deciding game of the 98 finals game 6. Jordan had 47 points

@whitefire06 Жыл бұрын

MJ is my #1 GOAT but Shannon made some good points here that I guess I didn't think about. My pick is mainly based off of the eye test so stats don't really matter to me but when you actually value longevity instead of just their "prime", it does make me appreciate Bron more. It seems obvious but I always just compared their primes.

@Thomas998822 Жыл бұрын

longevity is just the icing on the cake. Bron has the PPG to back it up, he's been at the top of the league in scoring average since day 1. *PLUS* only Wilt has a better career shooting percentage. So not only is LeBron on the brink of being the All-time scorer in pure volume, he's right up there nearly identical to KD in PPG, AND he's literally the 2nd most efficient scorer of all-time. That's literally the entire trifecta, but he's not a great scorer?!?! People are right, he's not A great scorer, he's THE greatest scorer, as far as combined longevity, volume, average AND efficiency. Case closed.

@endangeredspecies8441 Жыл бұрын

@@Thomas998822 relax bro. Kareem wasn’t a great scorer but he had an unstoppable move. Being a scorer is a lot deeper then laying up the ball for 80% of your career.

@Thomas998822 Жыл бұрын

@@endangeredspecies8441 very true... that's exactly why I said being the greatest scorer is about volume, average, consistency, longevity and efficiency. LeBron is goat status in all of that. And let's be clear only 38% of LeBron career pts have come in the paint. NOT 80%, but point taken. To, me it wouldn't matter if 100% of his points were dunks. Scoring, TO ME , is about putting the ball in the basket and putting points on the board. Feel free to do you. If the greatest scorer, to you, is who had the purest jump shot, deepest arsenal, or best ball-handling and lay-up package...cool. Lebron is on the brink of pointing the ball in the basket more than anyone ever. Did it for longer. Did more consistently than anyone besides maybe Kareem. Had a higher average than most everyone, and did it more efficiently than everyone besides Wilt. Those are FACTS bro....those. are. Facts... That's GOAT! IDGAF!

@g-tall665 Жыл бұрын

Isaiah Thomas will never let his MJ beef go bro how long have y'all been retired let it goooo! 🤧😂😂

@lipscovc Жыл бұрын

Tell them Shannon. You do it so eloquently.

@damienag2026 Жыл бұрын

The arguments from Skip are just getting more ridiculous as LBJ is getting closer to break Kareem’s record. Anything to discredit him before his accomplishment.

@thinktwice3211 Жыл бұрын

The scoring record doesnt put Le3*-6 anywhere near MJ. MJ is the reason GOAT is even an acronym.

@damienag2026 Жыл бұрын

@@thinktwice3211 yet he is the one most brings to the conversation. 😆 It just matter of opinion.

@9614cp Жыл бұрын

I can tell he’s getting tired of going at LeBron but that’s what he gets paid to do, take on all the narratives that go against LeBron. But ain’t no way I’m taking LBJ over MJ.

@AnonyMous-un3df Жыл бұрын

LeBron is not a "passer" he is a floor general. it's mot about him passing to an open man, it's him running plays within plays so that even when he doesn't have the ball he's still in control. Ofcourse he still makes mistakes. P.S MJ is to me the most impressive display of a basketball player I've ever seen.

@insidejah9293 Жыл бұрын

The last time LeBron "officially" played Point Guard position, he led league in assists AND won an NBA championship with Finals MVP. But he's not a passer???? SMH...haters are gonna hate!

@Sonnel_James Жыл бұрын

that's exactly the reason why nobody can play their game on a Lebron James team

@1Scital1 Жыл бұрын

@@insidejah9293 lol, the funny thing is you are actually doing him a disservice calling him a passer.

@insidejah9293 Жыл бұрын

@@1Scital1 actually the funny thing is that you are assuming that I think in black & white terms! LeBron is literally "All of the Above"...scorer, passer, rebounder, blocker, dunker, logo three maker, turnaround jumper maker, coach, leader, GM, ...you name it he does it.... That's what makes these haters so mad! There's been no basketball player that has displayed this kind of talent, skill and IQ in that many categories AND for 19-20 seasons. Hater's gonna hate.

@1Scital1 Жыл бұрын

@@insidejah9293 You literally called him a passer now you are agreeing with me lol. Right.

@khymitchell2196 Жыл бұрын

Shannon buffet scenarios are killing me 😭🔥💯💯

@samadboss9396 Жыл бұрын

Shannon always destroy Skip Bayless in debates 💯💯

@dukeGed Жыл бұрын

are you a slow person by any chance?

@dnice4145 Жыл бұрын

He does but not because Skip has a losing hand, he's just not built for these debates. If you listen to some of the stupid/irrelevant arguments Shannon makes before replying they can be slapped down rather easily. Skip is generally terrible in making arguments which allows Sharpe to get away with his half truths and phony arguments.

@Mercil7 Жыл бұрын

@@dukeGed it’s clear that you are if you think otherwise

@misane2212 Жыл бұрын

Michael retired and came back and won three more That’s all I have to say no one will do that in NBA history ever again

@heemladen5872 Жыл бұрын

That wasn’t no damn retirement

@northphillybul8577 Жыл бұрын

3 straight back to back to back not once but twice !!!! Say it louder for the people in the back

@SpideyJ239 Жыл бұрын

Not a lot of talent in the 90's era. That's all I have to say.

@yank8037 Жыл бұрын

@@SpideyJ239 90's, not just talent better teams and not one sided. Do to over stacking team With superstars.

@tylerjones4418 Жыл бұрын

@@northphillybul8577 he retired because he couldn't handle the nba....he wanted a break, he said it...lebron went to 3 straight finals fool, with 2 different teams. Imagine if lebron had pippin and Rodman in their prime for 5 to 6 years. Btw if snake a$$ kd wouldn't made the join warriors he would easily have 5 or 6. Also I don't ever seeing any othet player in history carrying the 2007 or 2018 cavs to the finals

@n00utz81 Жыл бұрын

Isiah got forever beef with MJ lmao dude is so petty. LeBron is not on Mike's level.

@sonytoor542 Жыл бұрын

Petty? Yeah he is, BUT, since Jordan kept him off the Olympic team, I'd be petty also. Not to mention, Jordan himself was, is and forever will be notoriously petty himself

@n00utz81 Жыл бұрын

@@sonytoor542 ok but there's being petty then there is just being a flat out dunce he knows damn well this conversation is media driven. No NBA GM ever in their right mind would take Lebron over MJ

@sonytoor542 Жыл бұрын

@@n00utz81 true, but my point wasn't about Lebron vs Jordan, it was about Isiah being petty, the reason and Jordan being just as petty.

@trentwoodard6450 Жыл бұрын

Lebron had time off a lot… took my 13 years plus retirement and it’s talking lebron almost 20 yrs to get to this point 🤦‍♂️

@antonioantonio447 Жыл бұрын

This is getting old if you watched both players play as I did there’s no question that Michael Jordan is the goat 🐐…

@DJDNAUK Жыл бұрын

Lebron is the 🐐

@nasseramirabdulghaffar234 Жыл бұрын

I watched both of them too Lebron and Magic over jordan

@whitenip84 Жыл бұрын

Damn is Isiah Thomas STILL bitter at MJ for not making the Dream Team? Lol

@jaysouthmusic8230 Жыл бұрын

Talking bout holding a grudge lol

@winnigriff8989 Жыл бұрын

The look on skip face while shannon spoke was hilarious

@juanaorozco6593 Жыл бұрын

They said the same thing about Kobe when he was playing

@thisiseliasm4645 Жыл бұрын

MJ average 32-8-8 one season. How was he never asked to do everything like LeBron?

@manuelrodriguez9972 Жыл бұрын

Only one season lol 😆

@SpideyJ239 Жыл бұрын

What season was that? Did he win the chip 🏆.

@dapperdon5428 Жыл бұрын

Lebron fans dnt know that much about other basketball players or the game period

@youngskyler7568 Жыл бұрын

Facts MJ in the late 80's put up monster numbers in the 90's the bulls was a complete team in everybody played there roll MJ numbers dropped for more team success in winning

@thisiseliasm4645 Жыл бұрын

@@manuelrodriguez9972 yes but LeBron only averages 2 more assists and one more rebound pero game for a career.

@leetraviusmckay2919 Жыл бұрын

Shannon literally destroyed him right there when he said LeBron had more points on less shots than Michael at the same time in their career 😂.

@atlien1988 Жыл бұрын

Obviously because LeBron has attempted thousands of more threes.

@dondada6839 Жыл бұрын

@@atlien1988 did you miss the fact that he took less shots ?

@corneiliuslee1624 Жыл бұрын

Shooting guard job Is to shooting

@kcsizzle23 Жыл бұрын

He didn't factor the defense and how the game was played then... I'll take the GOAT anyday.

@Gordoh20 Жыл бұрын

Yo after that skip just moved on to Kareem lol

@anuraag111 Жыл бұрын

Lmao skip got wrekt for 12 minutes straight hahahaja

@DoeSavage202 Жыл бұрын

When has longevity become a bad thing

@kaliiitaye1920 Жыл бұрын

MJ only played 13 full seasons Im going to leave it there….

@tylerwest3161 Жыл бұрын

15*

@ronaldjackson7541 Жыл бұрын

@@tylerwest3161 11 full season as a bull because he missed 62 games in his 2nd season because of a broken foot then 2 as a wizard.

@chasinggreatness42 Жыл бұрын

Facts!!! And Mike scored 32292 pts during that time and 1072 games played. If Mike never retired in 93 or 98 he definitely would've passed Kareem

@tylerwest3161 Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldjackson7541 still played 15 seasons

@zmankicks7688 Жыл бұрын

So pretty much according to skip, shame on lebron for being born right handed and becoming ambidextrous, shame on him for being taller and stronger. Shame on him for being in the league so damn long (all while scoring 25 ppg+ every year but his rookie campaign) that the game changed and became 3 pt dominant). Its more impressive he’s continued to adapt

@dnice4145 Жыл бұрын

Skip was only refuting another stupid narrative that the most ball dominant player in nba history (Lebron has never wanted to play in a system that didn't revolve around him) isn't considered a scorer. People like Isiah Thomas only make such irrelevant and un-provable arguments to some how make his longevity stats somehow more meaningful.

@Oddsharxz10 Жыл бұрын

Ya exactly

@zmankicks7688 Жыл бұрын

@@dnice4145 in skips own words though he’s the best passer of the basketball ever, why shouldn’t he have the ball in his hands then. It’s not like he isn’t efficient considering he’s more efficient than MJ (passed him in points with less shot attempts) , and KD

@dizzydacure8226 Жыл бұрын

@@dnice4145 Bro y'all have to stop with these BS narratives that y'all create. Please Show proof that anyone who has ever coached or played with LeBron said that he has "never wanted to play in a system that didn't revolve around him"... That statement in itself is not only false but could mean different things. For example. Please tell me what system had MJ ever played in that didn't revolve around him? Don't worry, you don't have to answer that question because there has never been one. Coaches had put the ball in Brons hands early on because of his facilitator ability, basketball IQ and his willingness to make the right play. Y'all talk out both sides of your mouths. In the beginning it was "Bron is too unselfish and needs to take be more like MJ/Kobe" then now y'all trying to push this "Bron is selfish" and "it's all about him" narrative. Lol... Y'all don't know what y'all want. Lol. The standard that LBJ is held to and the fact that he's exceeds those standards is what makes him the GOAT to me. MJ isn't even held to the same standard and that should tell you everything you need to know.

@charlesvxiii5925 Жыл бұрын

Playing with da best of the best for majority of his career while avoiding injury sure made it a lot easier

@justinsmith9832 Жыл бұрын

Majority? I want to start with off with this comment is coming from a Mavs fan whos favorite player is Kobe and thinks it's Kareem, MJ and Lebron in order for GOAT. Alright now - His first 7 years in Cleveland, Mo Williams was his 2nd best player, he took a group of YMCA rec dudes to the finals. He was in Miami for what, 4 years? 2 of those D-Wade was low key washed and Bosh was a corner three shooter really, a 38 year old Ray Allen for a season? The rest of the team were min contract players. So I'll give you 2 years with best of the best. He then went back to Cleveland and played with Kyrie who was only available for the playoffs the year they won and KLove who was just white Chris Bosh. So only 1 maybe 2 years counts. Now he's with the Lakers, 1st year were all young players. 2nd year they get AD and win the title in the bubble. Since then it's been all injuries, a disconnected AD and bad roster signings with washed up once upon All Stars like Dwight Howard, Melo and Westbrook. Cmon man. 19 years in the league and he had 5-6 years max where he's actually had a great team around him.

@syyner1748 Жыл бұрын

@@justinsmith9832 you lost the argument when you said D Wade was low key washed up. That's a load of bs...

@loudthebest7546 Жыл бұрын

@@syyner1748 literally go look at his stats in the finals. Wade wasn’t putting up all-star caliber performances in 2013-2014 finals. He played poorly and was clearly showing signs of regression. In 2011-2012 he was still himself but an extra 2-3 years will take an extensive toll on your body when you’re a professional athlete

@justinsmith9832 Жыл бұрын

@@syyner1748 that last 2 years was about 60% of the player he was when Lebron got there. He wasn't a top player in the league anymore.

@brianshin3209 Жыл бұрын

It’s not bout hating Lebron. It’s just when ppl want to always say he’s better than MJ when he’s just not.

@rafa328 Жыл бұрын

Until both players play under the exact same conditions (Same exact opponents, teammates, and rules) then any comparison is nonsense. After watching basketball for nearly 30 years, I can say the best basketball I'm seeing is right now. The competition has never been better. The pace of the game has never been faster. The level of athleticism is unmatched. With all due respect to Jordan, but if he had to get guarded by these guys today under zone defense... There's no way he's ISO'ing his way to as many fadeaways as he did in his career. Like absolutely no way teams today let that happen under zone defense play.

@syyner1748 Жыл бұрын

@@rafa328 yea I call bs

@efarrar Жыл бұрын

He's not pass first? Stop it Skip!

@jaust9077 Жыл бұрын

Magic was pass first, not Lebron.

@efarrar Жыл бұрын

@@jaust9077 Because Magic was, LeBron can't be? 🤔 Either way, LeBron is gonna pass Magic on the all time assist list this year too. 😒

@jaust9077 Жыл бұрын

@@efarrar no im distinguishing the two types of players. Lebron averages 7 apg in his career. Magic averaged 11. Its not even close.

@efarrar Жыл бұрын

@@jaust9077 Yeah. Magic was a point guard. Everyone in the top 10 is a guard except LeBron at 7. The next none guard on the list is Scottie Pippen at 35.

@efarrar Жыл бұрын

And the one year he played the point, he averaged 10.2

@ronniealexander4842 Жыл бұрын

This is no debate. Michael Jordan will go down as the GOAT Forever. He is known world wide as the GOAT. 6 titles. Put them together in any room and events. Around NBA Players and you will see who they regard as the GOAT.

@TO-xm1vh Жыл бұрын

There are others with more NBA titles than Jordan... Let's talk about Goat in ice hockey or even lacrosse

@ronniealexander4842 Жыл бұрын

The GOAT Conversation will majority's most of the time will involve basketball or football. Tom Brady/Michael Jordan. That not putting down the others GOAT in other sports

@TO-xm1vh Жыл бұрын

@@ronniealexander4842 now ask yourself why basketball and football only?... There are a billions sports out there and you speak of goat in only basketball and football?... The answer is there in black and white for you to see, not just for look, watch or read only... Think as well

@ronniealexander4842 Жыл бұрын

The conversation is about GOAT of basketball.

@TO-xm1vh Жыл бұрын

@@ronniealexander4842 why goat of basketball or football out of all the millions of sports out there?... Nobody ever called Micheal Phelps goat, why?

@ikwed Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy how skip takes the height of Jordan as a weakness but doesn’t for steph them double standards

@bobbyward2285 Жыл бұрын

How tf can skip go back on 18 years of LBJ is not a scorer ?

@tristancampbell4941 Жыл бұрын

"Damn. Here we go again." -Kanye I get it, recycling is good for the environment, but sh*t😂

@ricardolozano5356 Жыл бұрын

second place finishes don't count

@tristancampbell4941 Жыл бұрын

@@ricardolozano5356 I don't get why you Jordan and LeBron fans are so h0rný for each others hatred. It's deathly apparent.

@bink542 Жыл бұрын

I’m a huge Mike fan but at this point the goat debate is pointless, it’s just who do you prefer more truthfully.

@munoken Жыл бұрын

You crazy for saying that. Air Jordan all day.

@bink542 Жыл бұрын

@@munoken i guess you didn’t get what i said bro💀 I know Mike is the goat but the goat debate is pointless.

@wealthdiscoveries2641 Жыл бұрын

LeBron switched teams 100 times because he couldn’t win where he was. Jordan 6 rings with one team, undefeated in the finals, and has the all-time highest scoring average in nba history. 9-time all defense to LeBron’s how many ? I think 6 or something. 6 finals MVPs. Jordan is just better than LeBron. Y’all voting with y’all hearts.

@maricioboler5872 Жыл бұрын

UnK: "I'm just saying 🥴" 🤣🤣🤣

@g-era8998 Жыл бұрын

Shannon's commenating kills me 😂🤣

@joelbrown5932 Жыл бұрын

Malone scored more than MJ but never won a championship against the Bulls that doesn’t help Bron argument as the best he lost to many finals when it mattered MJ won more championships and has more accolades than Bron will ever achieve in 13 years stop comparing

@lifeofibo Жыл бұрын

Tell me one of Jordans opponents that he met in the final thats able to beat the 2017 & 2018 warriors with kd steph klay & draymond or the spurs team with duncan, manu, tony (kawhi)

@kingmoney3163 Жыл бұрын

@@lifeofibo exactly . These boys stay tryna act like Jordan peanut headass was really better than LBJ. Stop comparing . If LBJ was in the league back then he would’ve smashed them all no cap

@luminousrxk7288 Жыл бұрын

@@lifeofibo who did bron face in the playoffs?

@joelbrown5932 Жыл бұрын

@@lifeofibo Klay and Draymond not in the top 30 players since going to the playoffs in 2015 lol that fact let’s me know everybody has won against Bron it’s 2011 all over again you man crushing state facts

@thinktwice3211 Жыл бұрын

You just cant be the goat if you dont/know how to play defense. MJ is the reason GOAT is an acronym.

@alphamohamedkebe8513 Жыл бұрын

MJ never even guarded the best players that was Scottie and Rodman, he was mainly asked to only score and guard the teams second or third best player

@thinktwice3211 Жыл бұрын

@@alphamohamedkebe8513 I cant even believe I read your comment twice and thought about it for more than 30 seconds....wow just wow.

@thinktwice3211 Жыл бұрын

@@alphamohamedkebe8513 I'm copying this and making it a comment for all to see.

@mookdamoor3531 Жыл бұрын

Unc shay where ya suit jacket!!?!? Lol

@trentanderson1321 Жыл бұрын

Skip is such a troll lmao love it

@cutehumor Жыл бұрын

Air Jordan is the Goat. did you see the nba all time 75 greatest players ceremony? guess who came out last..the goat himself Air Jordan

@champ1440 Жыл бұрын

Lebron has taken 2300 shots more than MJ...... playing 4 more seasons than him. This just shows MJ shot wayyyyyyyyyyy more than Lebron.

@chrisbonfigkio3892 Жыл бұрын

But passed Jordan points in less shots.

@matthewitaliano9088 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbonfigkio3892 Chad wasnt ready for that FACT haha

@fredrickwhynn6225 Жыл бұрын

Taking more shots is fine, PPG is what matter. MJ has lead the league in scoring 10x, 8 of those times he had 30 or more ppg. LBJ has lead in scoring once, and got 30 ppg less than 3x lol.

@champ1440 Жыл бұрын

@@fredrickwhynn6225 yeah u just showed your IQ with that take. I won't even discuss hooping with someone that says that.

@ankeviousoliver4472 Жыл бұрын

Longevity is a huge part of being a goat. You can't last short and be in the convo.

@suntansuperman26 Жыл бұрын

Yea but what if you’re short but still accomplished more than those who played longer than you?

@stevenguyen8161 Жыл бұрын

20 years, 4 rings, 4 MVPs vs 15 years, 6 rings. 6 MVPs. Dunno about you, but someone is more prolific and efficient at being a winner. Consider LeBron is 6' 9" 260 lbs. Jordan was 6' 6" 200 lbs. Who is more difficult to stop physically, and therefore who is more likely to have an easier go at the basket? Ergo, who would be perceived as easier to defend? And yet, one of them has 10 scoring titles and 9 All-NBA defensive team awards. Who is that superstar?

@ankeviousoliver4472 Жыл бұрын

@@stevenguyen8161 teams win chips not players

@stevenguyen8161 Жыл бұрын

@@ankeviousoliver4472 Teams are made up of what? Gerbils?

@TheEvard14 Жыл бұрын

KD don’t even really be pushing to score like that all the time only if he really has to

@JasonWilliams-um8im Жыл бұрын

🧢What else is his objective??

@garonb584 Жыл бұрын

LeBron James has passed Michael Jordan for 4th place on the NBA's all-time scoring list with 32,293 points. James did it in 117 more games than Jordan, while Jordan took 1,300 more shots than James.

@samestuffdifferentday5712 Жыл бұрын

The only problem with your cap argument is because lebron has played longer. If you cut lebrons averages off at the same time jordan stopped it would not be the case. Your capping like a typical lebroniac.

@jordanhutton5787 Жыл бұрын

When you shoot 70% within 3 feet in a league that barely any true big men that'll happen

@dynamic6645 Жыл бұрын

@@samestuffdifferentday5712 Jordan shoots more than LeBron, LeBron scored more pts than Jordan while taking fewer shots and on better FG% and 3P%

@dynamic6645 Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhutton5787 Averaging 30 ppg in the zone era = Averaging 40 ppg in the no zone era

@culture8109 Жыл бұрын

Shannon got him he passes Micheal with fewer shot than Micheal took. Skip couldn't even respond

@projectworld4023 Жыл бұрын

Tony Gywnn is my Favorite Baseball Player! Thanks for the shoutout

@FreedomFighter2112 Жыл бұрын

Total Achievements: (Titles / Scoring Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs /1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 3) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 4) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -- Curry only has 13

@adeife2 Жыл бұрын

You know Bill would easily be on the top if those achievements existed during his time. 💀

@FreedomFighter2112 Жыл бұрын

Although Bill and Wilt would be MUCH higher, Jordan would still be #1. For instance, even if Bill made 1st All-Def 13 out of 13 years and won 11 out of 11 NBA Finals MVPs, he would have had 43 points. Most historians believe he would've won 6 Finals MVPs

@JohnWCote-gt4fs Жыл бұрын

This debate will probably never end 🐐 James the real 🐐 and it ain't even close 😂

@fuckallthat6090 Жыл бұрын

lmao keep dreaming kiddo

@fuckallthat6090 Жыл бұрын

MJ achieved more than lebron in less years, period, end of story

@Sonnel_James Жыл бұрын

if I had watched basketball for the first time and compared MJ and Lebron's game I would say you're delusional for saying that.. nothing in LeFraud's game is impressive LOL

@JohnWCote-gt4fs Жыл бұрын

@@Sonnel_James Has your balls even dropped yet because you sound like a 10 yr old say it with me G.O.A.T James 🐐 James and it ain't even close 😂🤣

@anthonyb9196 Жыл бұрын

Imagine if Lebron was a 85-90% free throw shooter he would’ve destroyed this record

@JamesLee-nw8kz Жыл бұрын

Imagine if MJ concentrated on shooting 3 pointers or didn't take a year an a half off after his 1st 3 peat..

@yonassima8168 Жыл бұрын

He doesn’t need that percentage to shatter the record

@Sonnel_James Жыл бұрын

@@yonassima8168 he needed the ball in his hands 90% of the time tho

@yonassima8168 Жыл бұрын

@@Sonnel_James Last season, Westbrook was main ball handler. LBJ end up scoring 30pts a game!!! 19th season!! Who else does it??

@productivecitizen2066 Жыл бұрын

Shannon killed skip. Everybody was eating!!!💯

@_M.... Жыл бұрын

please consider the source. all I'll say, lol.

@nicoesparza8632 Жыл бұрын

For Jordan, and even Kobe, to score at the level as they did, where most dominant scorers in history are Bigs, is what makes what they did more extraordinary.

@knucklesaukuso5086 Жыл бұрын

Extraordinary ball hogs yes 💯%

@TMS_CJamez Жыл бұрын

Love when the greats give bron his flowers 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

@tyyrreekk9005 Жыл бұрын

It's always the ones who never played in the league trashing him even MJ himself gave LeBron his props idk why people have to make it a rivalry between them tho like why can't there be 2 goats they're from 2 different generations

@Fr1sen0 Жыл бұрын

@@tyyrreekk9005 Because that wouldn't be all time....

@davidocampo8997 Жыл бұрын

Coming from Isiah? Really?

@donwax3061 Жыл бұрын

It's always someone who got eclipsed by mike

@bengochea64 Жыл бұрын

@@donwax3061 💯

@cryptotheconqueror9038 Жыл бұрын

Yet Lebron is passing Kareem at a younger age and less games. If Kareem is humbled by Lebron passing him the world should be.

@MrAjscott03 Жыл бұрын

Shannon won when he said Lebron took less shots to pass Mike than Mike took to get there. 🤭

@reidwilson7974 Жыл бұрын

Different league then when Michael played you really can't compare

@jv-heavyzeo8588 Жыл бұрын

@@reidwilson7974 better competition now n more skills it's nothing to fight under the basket

@reidwilson7974 Жыл бұрын

@@jv-heavyzeo8588 dude stop, more skilled sure but weaker, because it's more kids he is playing against. it's one & done kids that are asked to be the franchise players & can't handle it in today's game. that's why Charles Barkley made a good suggestion most of these kids should stay in school for at least three years because it's hurting the brand. y'all like to use the more skilled bs 💩because it's a more three point based game & wide open where they didn't worry about that in Michaels time plus handles but that is a more focus coming out of college today but that doesn't mean they know how to play the game, which makes it more weaker

@mnm4840 Жыл бұрын

Jordan took 13 attempts to win 6 rings, and Lebron will NEVER get there.

@dabirds4005 Жыл бұрын

Skip expects the record to be broken in a 12 year career! Kareem played 20 seasons himself

@KingHassify Жыл бұрын

We all know Jordan the goat it's jus skips arguments be so weak Shannon be winning even tho Shannon knows Jordan the goat

@MistahUnknown Жыл бұрын

I'd argue they both know LeBron is the GOAT

@KingHassify Жыл бұрын

@@MistahUnknown u trolling rite?

@MistahUnknown Жыл бұрын

@@KingHassify Not at all. They're playing a role on a debate show simply to make money.

@TheosYeshua Жыл бұрын

I grew up watching 80s 90s Bball, nonetheless, every generation will have its assertions, and the next-gen and the next, and we will be still on this page debating with all our hearts on an issue that will never come to terms. Man!! Those two gentlemen are billionaires! For real, what are we getting out of this? I'm still fighting for a dollar 💰 to put in my pocket, just to give my Family 80 cents. End of the day, they going to be still rich...🤔 I mean, "Wealthy," and we will be still debating until someone else rows in the NBA 20yrs. from now. Let's salute all those Brothers & Sisters who are blessed by the Heavenly Father to pick up a ball and do something they love, instead of working 8-12 hrs. a day.

@TheGhostofMrArthurs Жыл бұрын

Skip - "Its a longevity award, thats all it is" also Skip - "Thomas Patrick Edward Brady Jr! Untouchable records!!!"

@Augrills Жыл бұрын

It makes sense to keep playing when you’re winning rings

@i_chosen_one_ips432 Жыл бұрын

Brady has a bunch of records that aren’t longevity

@TheGhostofMrArthurs Жыл бұрын

@@i_chosen_one_ips432 all of his career records are though, which is the point. Skip will bring up jordan as a scorer because of 10 titles and a 30 ppg. LeDipshit is about to pass the ultimate longevity record and skip find a way to skip

@chasinggreatness42 Жыл бұрын

Everybody knows that Isaiah is one "The All-Time Greatest Haters" I don't take anything he say as facts. He still salty about not playing on the 92 Olympic team and that he got swept 4-0 in the Eastern Conference Finals by the 🐐 after coming off back to back titles so anything Isaiah say is laughable

@warrenbrooks7053 Жыл бұрын

About time somebody can see. Hate tor raid

@MovieGuy666 Жыл бұрын

he changes his opinions like most people change socks.

@onidtubes Жыл бұрын

Lead the league in steals 3 times in his career and 3rd all time. An underrated Jordan Stat that no one talks about .

@jordanhutton5787 Жыл бұрын

DPOY and MVP in the same season in 88-89. These folks just don't know

@MylesKillis Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhutton5787 Lebron has been robbed of DPOY twice

@Mercil7 Жыл бұрын

You what’s an underrated stat? When Jordan left the Bulls and replaced him with Pete Myers, the bulls had a higher defensive rating with Pete than with Jordan. The rest of the roster was the same.

@jordanhutton5787 Жыл бұрын

@@Mercil7 All that just to barely be above .500 when MJ came back. Then would proceed to win 14 of the next 17 games........