I love that Jago's mum watches his videos

What we have learned after all these videos is that Jago's mum watches them. On behalf of his fans, might I say "Hello, Mrs Hazzard"

You mean we may have been barking up the wrong creek?

It could have also been the isle of bogs, because it was full of marshlands (as Jago mentioned). Some may argue that it still is an isle of bogs. Or just one big bog.

The text, "I did remember!" On the top right corner make me smile

I remember visiting Greenwich and the Isle Of Dogs as a little 'un with my parents in the very early eighties (they had friends there). It always stuck with me how dilapidated the whole area was yet also how vibrant, atmospheric and teeming with life. And I got to see the Creek Road drawbridge in operation!

I love that this channel makes me think about place's names that I either never knew about or places I never thought about! Keep up this great series, Jago!

5:33 With the closure of my local car mechanics south of the river I got last year's MOT there.

Thank you, Jago. Didn't really clear up the derivation of the Isle of Dogs, but it was an entertaining tale nonetheless.

When I first went around here I couldn't wrap my head that 30-40 years ago, there were nothing but abandoned warehouses and delapidated buildings. You could say it truly went to the dogs. Incredible what they could build in that time frame. Lovely shot of the Götheborg as well, when was it in London?

6:18 Shoutout to Jago’s Mum who watches these videos. 👏🏽

Hi Jago. Wikipedia says "In English law, time immemorial ends and legal memory begins at 1189 A.D., the end of the reign of King Henry II". QI also asked your question about when time immemorial was, but I cannot remember exactly when it was - I think they even came up with a specific date.

Canary Wharf is on the Isle of Dogs. The Canary Islands, which shipped fruit to Canary Wharf, are not named after any birds, but from the Latin canaris - dogs. Don't know if this is the answer, but is an interesting coincidence.

Hello to Jagos Mum🤚🏻…

“…but we got pirates in there so that’s fun.” - Pitch Meeting for ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’.

Lovely clips of the area's housing. Meanwhile on the BBC website they did an article recently about reducing the amount of light pollution at Canary Wharf whilst constantly referring to the City of London and the "Square Mile" which cause me much amusement.

3:25. Love how smooth the segue to the sponsor was, and only the segue back to topic needed mention :D

Hello Mrs. Hazzard, you boy has done good.

Thank you Jago. I've been saying this for years. Isle of Docks to me always seemed to be the correct one. So glad you've gone through this though.

I think that last theory (hanging the dead pirates) might be a bit truer. That is the sort of image that stays with people. Calling someone a "dog" carries a negative connetation, and I can see how sailors can call pirates "dogs". This is not just an English phenomena, as in Spanish calling someone "perro" is almost always negative.

"Personally when a want to get around restrictions..." Quality :D

Time immemorial 'in its present form' is 1189 (and possibly specifically before 6 July of that year), or, more vaguely, 'since before anyone can remember it being different.'

That seque is worthy of breakfast telly.

Dog-derived Epithet. I’m definitely using that at some point.

I have always mentally associated Isle of Dogs with Canary Wharf, as we know that the latter was named for the Canary Islands, but the islands were not named for the eponymous singing-birds but for the dogs that roamed there.... a bit of a random association, though, as of course the place existed long before the dock!

Given the multiple possibilities, I suspect the Isle of Dogs may be hounding you for a while yet...

As an interesting aside, North Ormesby market in Middlesbrough is known as "Doggy Market", which DOES derive from "dockside"- it is beside the old Middlesbrough dock (where the Riverside Stadium is, for those who follow football).

I was hooked on this video from “on whom, more later”

"And not anything else your filthy mind might be thinking when I say the word dogger." Cod, i love your humor Jago XD Also, definitely a call out for one or two people lol

The pirate hanging from the gibbet at the end put me in mind of the term "seadog", meaning "experienced seaman". Maybe this was where they lived

Wes Anderson would say ‘Isle of Dogs’, but a Londoner might say ‘Isle of Docks’.

It always makes me shake my head, when I go to the Isle of Dogs one side of the road are council flats and the other multi million pound river side apartments allegedly built with Brinks mat gold.

0:44 Jago really knows their audience, I presume? 😂

An other explanation can be from the fact that the Thames here has a sharp bend, or dogleg.

I was always under the impression that it was where King Henry VIII used to hunt with his dogs when in his time it was an extention of the Epping Forest which was also a Royal Park. But then again......

This video’s Ad Read was (chef’s kiss)

At 4:35 on the ancient map, at the southern tip, was an "I. of Dog Ho." Domestically speaking, that is where I currently reside :(

Love your videos Jago, thanks for all the research and effort you put in

One of the main methods of both loading and discharging vessels was by Barges/lighters. I can remember in the Royal Docks in the late 70's lighters full of "CKD"s Car Knock Down arriving from Ford for export to Singapore. Tea, coffee and rubber were discharged to lighters , the Rubber and Latex to the London Rubber Company, Tea to Twining's.

Great video, as a kid I was told about hunting dogs being kept there! But now that I'm all grown up I can look into things. If you look at any maps before the 19th century there's nothing there. The hanging of pirates (sea dogs) sounds more plausible. Also I wonder if the name Dogger came from the area in the north sea called Doggerland, being fishing related or something.

It’s not a vlog until there are pirates!!

The pirate explanation sounds the most plausible to me.

Was the land owned by a hospital? Isle of Docs? Hello Jago's mum :o)

Could there possibly have been a pack, or a few packs, of wild dogs living in the Isle of Dogs? The Canary Islands also means The Islands of Dogs, but the birds that were found on the islands, were named after the Canines.

6:02 there's the Traffic Light Tree

Loved the way you seamlessly wove the sponsor's message into this tale :^)

Excellent camera work on this video, very enjoyable viewing.

Hello, Jago's Mom I hope you read comment too Because your son make a wonderful video and you should give him a hug and kiss for this

Joolz Guides just pipped you to the Isle of Dogs this week!

I often go in the pub at 5:42 The Gun, when I go up and visit family in London. Nice views down river and of the O2 on the opposite bank.

In English law "time immemorial" is pre-1189. As far as the Isle of Dogs not being an island I suspect the marshes made it one for all intents & purposes. I have read that the marshes dug out to form the Royal docks were such a barrier to travel they formed the boundary between Kent & Essex rather than the river. Hence North Woolwich.

I only watch these to find out more about SurfShark

I appreciate how committed Jago is to solving this mystery

Thank you Jago for sniffing out the name, I raise my leg in salute. Cheers from California 😊

I remember visiting the Isle of Dogs or London Docklands as it was called, just before all the redevelopment took place. Visiting the old Wharfs and Warehouses before developers got their greedy hands on them, and gentrified them for rich folk. And when I visited Tobacco Dock in Wapping, which is in close proximity to the Isle of Dogs, before it became the ill fated shopping centre that never was, I remember you could still smell the Tobacco inside the warehouse, and it conjured up memories for me of Britain’s empire. Great video Jago.

Excellent as always but this one was fantastic.

Made it all the way through the video without once hearing an utterance of, "You scurvy dog".

Mention of pirates always reminds me of one of ny favourite jokes - "what letter comes after P in the Pirate alphabet?" "Arghhhhh". Sounds better than it reads...

The word 'dogs' is a common one in phrases which imply something negative - dog's dinner, gone to the dogs, sick as a dog, etc. And these phrases are generally much older than the London docks. So, my suggestion is that area was so-named to imply that it wasn't a nice place (for whatever reason - possibly because it was marshy), rather than it had any specific connection with dogs. So, you'll have to make another video now...

Very interesting. Thanks for the reference to pirates. Are you familiar with The History Guy KZfaq channel, Jago? He likes to get pirates into his narrative whenever possible. "Don't all the best stories involve pirates?" is almost his catchphrase.

May I be permitted to have a crack at this derivation thing ... My "theory" is that the Thames does a big U bend here necessitating that the sailing vessels of old undertake a series of "dog legs" in order to negotiate this section of river. The piece of land therein contained would therefore be regarded as an island [okay it's an ithsmus but, pedants aside, Isle will do] that denoted the place where a series of tacks or gybes - one is where the bow passes into the wind, the other the stern is presented to the wind - needed to be done in order to perform said dogs [or dog legs] to progress up or down stream. Therefore, upon sighting said piece of land, a sailor would recognise it as being the place that needed to be dogged around - hence; Isle of Dogs. Apologies for the length of this explanation, almost as long as Jago's video itself, but I hope it stands up as a theory.

Love how you slipped in the video sponsor.... channeling your inner Yerkes,Mr.H?? 😊😜👍

I have a possibility for you. It's related to canary wharf. The original dock was dedicated to trade with the Canary Islands which in the 17th century was quite large. Now the canary is as we know, a bird, but the Canaries may have gotten it's name from Canis- Dogs in Latin and we are going back to possibly Tudor times, Canary wharf was opened later but it is possible that the area could have got it's name from the shipping that was involved. The concept of Bonded warehouses and Customs controls was not a bar to landing goods. Most of the listed Customs houses are from the 17th Century, but Customs existed far earlier than that. Chaucer was the collector for London in the reign of Richard the II. As far as I can make out the right tax tax imports could be down to the Local landowner, who would himself be taxed on the basis of the expected revenue. Since time immemorial Richard 1- 1189-1199 IRC.

As always, erudite, entertaining and just good fun. Always a pleasure Jago!

Perhaps a short overview of the Surrey , St Katherines and London Docks is in order , along with link and refresh of your vids on the canal and basins off at Limehouse.

This part of London has always fascinated me. 👍

One day Jago will uncover the mystery of the 'Isle of Dogs'! Great video

Towards the end, after a brief pause, I was expecting the narration to go: "If you'd like to visit the Isle of Dogs, take the bus from..." before I realized I wasn't watching The Tim Traveller 😅 Well, maybe some other time then 😜

Keep up the amazing work

Surely when anyone hears the word 'Dogger', their first thought is the wonderful children's book by the late Shirley Hughes?

The Isle of Dogs is an island - sort of. well, it is if man-made waterway connections counts and I don't see why it wouldn't! There are in fact two water routes across the island, via Canary Warf and South Dock.

Very interesting , as a suggestion to a previous video, one origin for Herne Hill is it’s named after the Herne family who lived in the area in the 17th century. There are other theories. As with isle of Dogs probably unlikely to find a definitive answer less some hitherto unknown manuscripts come to light that make things clear once and for all. It’s similar case for many place names in London and indeed further afield , pays yer money and takes yer choice

Were you and Joolz Guides on a trip to the Isle of Dogs together? It's cool seeing my little beach showing up in both of your videos in quick succession :)

Another good un, Jago..so I ask again, when are you going to do Barking and Catford?

I seem to recall, that "time immemorial" refers to the year 1189.

its isle of sea dogs as pirates used to operate or unload there.

5:54 that's the Crossrail Place

"Time immemorial" is any time before July 6th 1189. It stems from the codifying in writing of the Laws of England. If you or your forebears owned property before that date, that was sufficient to prove ownership.

Time immemorial means 1189 A.D, the death of King Henry II. Apparently it is important for law students in Australia in the 21st century to know that we only have to look back to the 12th century to know what our common law is.

I'm fairly sure that Canary Wharf was built on the site of Cannery Wharf, where there was once a cannery. The developers changed the name to the twee Canary Wharf to reflect the high profile they hoped to achieve, and to remove any association with something so despicable as a cannery. There used to be evidence of this on the net but it seems to have been redacted in favour of the myth that the wharf was dedicated to ships from the Canaries. Any thoughts anyone? As an aside, the Canaries could be called the Isles of Dogs, as they are in Spanish - Islas Canarias. (The birds were named after the islands, not vice versa.)

Top video, Wrighty! I always used to be very fond of the American TV show, Isle of Lucy.

Great video as usual. How about a video on the Lost Rivers of London, eg. Tyburn, Fleet, Wandle, Ravensbourne,...to name a few.

Jago the scruffy detective with dogged determination is going to get to the bottom of this.

Speaking of mothers and female dogs … As a teenage boy, my angry mother once referred to me as an SOB, to which I replied "That says more about you than it does about me." I then turned and walked out of the house while she stood there unuttered disbelief. She never referred to me as that again. *Edited for the pedants.

Jago isnt coming out hes been a naughty boy lol

What about the story that King Charles kept his spaniels there in kennels? Not the present Charles, I mean number two.

Is your favourite pantomine snow white and the severn whaves ?

The romans called the place Canarii, The etymology of this word suggests Canine hence dog. Interestingly the colours associated with this place was green. Added with the yellow of the bird Canary you have the colours of Norwich city football club (the Canary's). When Canary wharf (Note the name again) was built a lot of green was in the internal structure. Perhaps you could look there for your next video on the subject

So what about Canary Wharf as that could also have something to do with dogs as does the Canary islands i.e. the Latin word for dog, canaria.

Ye dogs, what next? I think you said before they should really have been at Barking but hey ho. As Florence and the Machine would observe "The Dog Days are over". You may yet come across the key that PUPorts to solve the mystery. Good luck.

love these videos

I fear people have misunderstood why it was once called the Isle of Docks. The name goes back many years to the vast amount of docks, the rumex obtusifolius type, that were grown there by one time smallholder, Horace Waters. The not inconsiderable patch of broad leaved plants he grew earnt his smallholding the sobriquet Dock Green. Others followed his example and by the end of the C19 the island had become renowned for its docks. At least I think that's what happened.

In English Common Law Time Immemorial is everything before A.D. 1189. So some time around the start of London getting too full and too expensive, probably.

Thanks for the video - enjoying the lack of resolution (and pirates) - and best wishes to Mother Hazzard.

Pirates, yes, airships not so much

Nice views around London & the Thames area as ever Jago - Thanks for sharing!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂

I likes to think it's named after all the salty sea dogs. Ah you beat me to it

Haha, who cares about coming to a definitive conclusion, it’s just lovely simply to talk about the various parts of our city

You've been dogged by going back to this subject.

Legally speaking, "time immemorial" in England means "before July 6, 1189". Because of course some lawyer had to come up with a precise definition of it sometime. :)