It Broke My Heart to Return This RARE One... (Busted)

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It Broke My Heart to Return This RARE One... (Busted)

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The Trogly's Guitar Show

Күн бұрын

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@chris_2714 2 ай бұрын

Too bad about the truss rod. If Dan says it's broken, you know it's broken!

@ronsampservice3066 2 ай бұрын

Trogly, in my experience with guitars and mechanics/machinist work, I would have to say that when you made your video, the truss rod was not " broken". If you could put torque on the nut and it would spring back, the rod, to me, seemed intact. But the nut was definitely stuck to the threads for some reason. If you ever get another one that acts like that, you might try heating the nut with a large soldering iron. Like a 100 watt for making leaded colored glass windows. But be sure there is no solder whatsoever on the iron. Beautiful guitar! Thanks brother for all the hard work that you are doing and I will definitely come see your museum when it's up and running.

@robertmay5091 2 ай бұрын

I’m sure Dan Erlewine would have got it working if a procedure like that was possible

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

Everything was tried. Heat was unfortunately not a solution to fixing this one. I was hoping it was just a mangled truss rod and a chasing job would do the trick, but Dan was able to confirm the rod was broken inside the neck

@derekkennedy7346 2 ай бұрын

I counted four missing threat nibs

@dublev78 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@robertmay5091This. Dan Erlewine is a living legend.

@pulaski1 2 ай бұрын

I'm betting two things: [1] that the truss rod was "broken"/ improperly installed in the factory, which is why it was stamped "BGN". And [2] that the fact there there is a "bargain" version, means there was at least one that left the factory in "perfect" condition.

@dlflash56 2 ай бұрын

I have one, a 1977, no pancake body. I got it from one of my best friends, shortly before he passed away from cancer, back in 2014, I Love it. He got it as a High School graduation gift, back in 1980. Even though he rarely played it, and it lived in its case for most of its life, unfortunately, he had an alcohol problem and a 3 pack a day habit. He also had extremely acidic sweat. It took a lot of work to clean it up and pretty much all of the hardware needed to be replaced. I did keep all of the parts; however, the bridge was not salvageable... since all of the screws were fused from his sweat. It also affected the handle on the chainsaw case. He was so acidic, he could put on a set of strings, play it for a couple of hours, wipe them down with finger ease and the next morning they were rusty. The headstock is stamped, and the three-piece maple neck is heavily flamed on the center piece. Mine also has the metal can shield over the pots. The only way I could date it, was from the pots (It's been a while but if I remember, 48th week of 1976), which is why I believe it's a 1977. I sent the serial number to Gibson and they tried to tell me it was a 1973, but the pots tell a different story.

@bmp-2267 2 ай бұрын

There's a health lesson to be learned here. Cancer flourishes in an acidic environment. There's plenty of things you can do to change your body's ph. Learn and live.

@papasmamas1 2 ай бұрын

The top and fretboard looks amazing. One reason I never ended up liking the look of this LPs is for the weird contrast pearl inlays have with the maple fretboard, and this ones solves it. Even black dot inlays would look cool on this.

@angus.f.kendal1544 2 ай бұрын

Thats one of the best sounding LesPauls I've heard lately✌️👽🌾

@paultrombetta 2 ай бұрын

What's the big can? Back of the input jack?

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

Yes, the output jacks were encased in this era

@petevadelnieks 2 ай бұрын

Seriously???? How did he not comment on that? Is it some capacitor?

@chrisghiardi117 2 ай бұрын

Shielding. During the 70s there was a period with no bridge/string grounding. Possibly because amps with polarity switches even with grounded 3 prong plugs were common.

@silvernuggets1285 2 ай бұрын

The pots looked absolutely minty...

@markt4815 2 ай бұрын

An employee special a.ka. "Backdoor Gibson".

@tonray9395 2 ай бұрын

Years ago I lived in an apartment next door to a Chrysler assembly plant.After each night shift there would be a nice selection of brtand new parts tossed over the fence to be collected later when the shift is over. At least the Gibson guys paid for it albeit at a discount

@EnJoony 2 ай бұрын

Incredibly rare guitar - Well, then it's worth replacing the truss rod!

@martinhiggs7027 2 ай бұрын

I acquired a "5420" about 5 years ago ! the build is absolutely top quality with the orange metal flake finish, the only mod was a roller bridge ! It's an absolute must to help the unit to hold its tune, today the guitar absolutely rocks, I will be installing a "VIBRAMATE" soon to help in changing strings !

@KALVIN123 2 ай бұрын

You going to put that guitar in a museum, a busted truss rod shouldnt be a problem😂

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

Longevity of the piece matters.

@TylerJohnstonGuitar 2 ай бұрын

Love me a good maple neck on an LP. I actually prefer the no inlays, would show wear really well if you’re into that.

@jameslundy6817 2 ай бұрын

I like it better without the inlays looks good

@cannabineros 2 ай бұрын

maple necks will survive centuries

@bladeoflucatiel 2 ай бұрын

There are exotic woods harder than maple, just imagine if they used them for guitars.

@mykneeme 2 ай бұрын

What if it left the factory with broken trussrod? And that’s why it was marked a bargain? If the neck is straight, it wouldn’t have been a problem for me personally to own such a guitar. If it was disclosed though and not with such a high pricetag.

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

Bargains and seconds were cosmetic blemishes only - anything that bad was chopped up.

@Noooooooooooooooooooooooo- 2 ай бұрын

you should check out Banker guitars, they are high quality really nice guitars. They were the first Gibson Partner, so they have an actual Flying V and Explorer.

@jeffreyburmeister6775 2 ай бұрын

Keep it. You pass on way too many !

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

If the truss rod wasn't broken, I would've never parted with it

@eric_in_florida 2 ай бұрын

@@Trog You're not going to play it, it's a museum piece. Keep it. See if the place will refund some of your $$.

@RC51Rod 2 ай бұрын

@@TrogFor what you want to do, you are the perfect home for it. I want to go to your museum and see stuff like this! You aren't gonna let me play it anyways, no need for the truss rod to work. Haha

@Wargasm54 2 ай бұрын

@@TrogDan can fix a broken truss rod.

@DannyRedCheeks 22 күн бұрын

Looks great Les Paul’s look so much better without pick guards

@jimkalfakis9893 2 ай бұрын

I think Dan is too scared to fix the truss rod and doesn’t want to be responsible if it breaks on his watch. It’s seized because of moisture. Give it to me, I’ll get it moving.

@ios6605 2 ай бұрын

It’s a keeper ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

@oscarhrmusic 2 ай бұрын

That guitar sounds amazing! Too bad the truss rod is busted. I would keep it just for the sound and keep it in the studio.

@stephanskogen3817 2 ай бұрын

Why not save it? I mean, if StewMac can fix it for $500, isn't that more important than it being original?

@jaymax3201 2 ай бұрын

It's listed as a Les Paul Custom MPL•F in my 1979 guitar book. Although it is a black and white photo, it appears that there is no block inlay. The price is 268,000 yen, the regular Custom is 265,000 yen, 3PU is 295,000 yen, Artisan is 350,000 yen, and Standard is 228,000 yen.

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

please send me a photo of that - austin@troglysguitarshow.com

@dosgos 2 ай бұрын

Y 268,000 was a bit over $1,000 in 1979. That would have included shipping to Japan and probably some Japanese import tariffs (I don't know if there was any type of sales tax included).

@flapjack413 2 ай бұрын

Hey, wait a minute. What's going on with the rounded corners on the end of the fretboard? That's not how Gibson does binding. Is that three pieces, with the corners rounded over, or a single piece of binding wrapping around the entirety of the fretboard?

@williampolfus6975 2 ай бұрын

That's the first thing I noticed about this guitar, I've never seen another Les Paul where the binding is rounded over at the neck joint corners like that, at least an actual USA made Gibson. It seems more likely someone replaced the fretboard at some point.

@NemesisDarkStar 2 ай бұрын

Really cool, I'm a bass player turned guitar player. I love maple fretboard on my p basses. Mahogany and ebony gibsons. Although I think that looks awesome. Ive never really liked inlays other than dots. Something about simplicity.

@lewisgeyer1440 2 ай бұрын

30 years ago a guy offered to sell me a maple fretboard LPC for $400. Problem? He was standing outside the pawnshop that refused to buy it from him. Probably stolen.

@bladeoflucatiel 2 ай бұрын

Did you buy it at least?

@ChrisShortyAllen 2 ай бұрын

Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Without evidence you should not accuse someone.

@nellayema2455 2 ай бұрын

40 years ago I sold 2 60's Epiphones to a guy as I left the pawn shop. The pawn shop dude pissed me off with his low ball offer, so I sold them to a guy walking in and got my price. They were not stolen guitars. Could be a similar situation with the guy who had the Les Paul.

@whoisdin 2 ай бұрын

Hey Trogly. long time viewer. been noticing something... the number of dB between your quietest part and your loudest is massive. it's too dynamic. try compressing more. depending on the listeners situation, it can be very challenging to listen to your videos without volume riding. :)

@joermnyc 2 ай бұрын

Reminds me of my high school gym after they replaced the floor with nice hard maple and then slathered gloss urethane all over it (insert squeaky sneaker sounds). You can replace the broken rod, but on a $6k guitar? That’s major surgery on the neck and it would likely knock a ton of value off because of the repair.

@JocAn-ri7ey 2 ай бұрын

I sent pictures of my Custom Maple a few years ago but you never replied. At least you finally did a episode of one.

@P-J-W-777 2 ай бұрын

It’s actually sounds really good.

@hotblackdesiato3451 2 ай бұрын

What on earth is that giant canister at 15:50 ? I can't remember ever seeing something like that before and Trogly doesn't mention it.

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

It’s the output Jack. They are encased in this era

@ERAPOSORESERVA 2 ай бұрын

You’re gonna keep it behind a glass in the museum anyways, it makes no difference. It’s such a rare and beautiful piece, I’d never let it go because of that.

@ERAPOSORESERVA 2 ай бұрын

@@ironnads7975cool, but I didn’t ask anything, I just gave my opinion

@charlesrocks 2 ай бұрын

Pretty simple fix. Not a deal breaker at all!!! Just get it fixed and keep it! Busted truss rod takes a lot of work, but it’s not impossible to fix.

@lilbitofOverdrive 2 ай бұрын

Keep it and have dan put a new rod in it it sounded great

@mmcwill1 2 ай бұрын

Hey Trog, in your opinion, was the broken truss rod the reason it was stamped BGN? I’m assuming they don’t use that stamp anymore?

@henrikneesgaard1764 2 ай бұрын

Really fell in love with that one.. 😌 Soo sad about the trussrod.. 😔

@glaucosouza1971 2 ай бұрын

Wow, really looking forward for that project with Dan. Sure it will be a blast!

@pulaski1 2 ай бұрын

@clarkbabin9799 2 ай бұрын

That's really nice looking on its own. The rosewood pieces look good also and I agree if you do the pickguard you have to do the pickup rings and the truss rod cover and the poker chip.. Was thinking it mightve looked good with rosewood inlays on that maple neck but being the fret board looks like it does they would have to be smaller . The big blocks like you see on a standard may take away to much .

@paulketchupwitheverything767 2 ай бұрын

I love the grain and three piece top on this guitar. I find an irregular grain pattern more interesting than more consistent quilting or stripes. I have a fondness for natural top Les Pauls generally and am lucky enough to own a 'Raw Power' Standard (not the type with EMG pickups). I'd be interested to try a LP with a maple neck instead of mahogany. So will the shop sell it to someone else as it is or get the truss rod fixed? If it were mine and I could afford the repair, I'd have a rosewood fingerboard with inlays and more modern frets, preferring playability over originality.

@johnsmith-ug5tp 2 ай бұрын

I can't believe the shop that bought it didn't remove the cover and check the truss rod? SMH

@pulaski1 2 ай бұрын

Maybe they assumed most buyers wouldn't notice until much later, when too much time had passed for the buyer to complain.

@johnsmith-ug5tp 2 ай бұрын

@@pulaski1 I was giving that business the benefit of the doubt. I learned the hard way and always turn the truss rod.

@SalmiRahman 2 ай бұрын

Would've been more nicer looking if the kbobs, selector plate an pickup rings were cream color instead of black.

@ricardobermudez6229 2 ай бұрын

amazing video, thanks!!! I love this guitar

@bigdbearkiller5115 2 ай бұрын

That decal is easy to make

@sconnyjoe5262 2 ай бұрын

I like the "Sophie's Choice" reference.

@aaabeverages7152 2 ай бұрын

It's a very handsome axe. Just had to rock your roll.😊

@Slovy_ 2 ай бұрын

I refretted a 76 custom the other day for a customer of mine. It had a ground wire just like that.

@JokersWild70 2 ай бұрын

That's really too bad about the truss rod. I understand not wanting to pay 6K for a guitar with a major issue, museum piece or not

@jeffbarnard9246 2 ай бұрын

I like the freek 😮 it's beautiful. I like the secret texts about gibson specials or any guitar secret deals

@Groovegandalf Ай бұрын

Hey everybody, I have a really weird question. I love drawlies but I'm looking for someone who does sort of what he does but with fenders because I'm much more of a fender nerd and really want to learn about the history of that stuff. Buddy has a channel that they could recommend. I would greatly appreciate it. Keep up all the great work. The less Paul history is fascinating

@disco4535 2 ай бұрын

A Trogly and Dan project is a crossover we need

@ericolson326 2 ай бұрын

The dark headstocks on these blondies ruin the whole look. Come on, how hard would a maple veneer with black inlay have been?

@danletter9357 2 ай бұрын

I actually like the ebony body one

@usagi2988 2 ай бұрын

Ugh... the truss rod info was a real heartbreak. ☹

@wrtoomes600 2 ай бұрын

That guitar is beautiful.

@Penberth1 2 ай бұрын

Ah man, what a shame. Generally not a fan of the lacquered maple fretboard LPCs of this era, but that looks fantastic and sounds excellent. I'd happily rock the hell out of that, I'm sure would sound outstanding through an old Marshall or two.

@OzziePete1 2 ай бұрын

The overdriven sounds remind me of Mick Ronson/David Bowie era....

@zeusapollo8688 2 ай бұрын

Is the can on the output wire a ferrite noise suppressor?

@radfury23g32 2 ай бұрын

Once again, maple fretboard Gibsons are SICKKKK! And no inlays!? SIGN ME UP FOR ONE WTF

@jubei7259 2 ай бұрын

July 28 1976 was my 7th birthday lol. I'd be gutted about that truss rod, especially as it all looked so good. Sounds fantastic too.

@michaeljarvis5489 2 ай бұрын

Do you have kids? Middle/Highschool age ...who giggle and ask you what year you were born?

@Phoenix308 2 ай бұрын

I actually kinda like how it looks

@vincentrandles8105 2 ай бұрын

Definitely a first for me. Never seen another. (Unfortunately) but don't give up the hunt, possibly more out there - who knows....

@jimdoner3443 2 ай бұрын

Very interesting

@chrisghiardi117 2 ай бұрын

It's a BGN because the truss rod is broke or previously nonfunctional. My experience is that BGN guitars are seriously flawed and unless you know what was fixed avoid. Did sound good.

@Kahuna54 2 ай бұрын

I bought a Carvin DC135T new in the Santa Ana store. I played it about a week and it went unplayable so I took it back. It was diagnosed as a broken truss rod. They built me a replacement under warranty but it never sounded as good as the original. Imo

@lasombra_br 2 ай бұрын

Maaaaan, what a shame! I was excited for you because it truly looks out of this world.

@Clearview68 2 ай бұрын

Your own video shows the truss rod was not busted (spinning loose) before you sent it out to be looked at. The nut was likely just frozen. Someone else tried to break that nut loose and snapped the rod. That should be investigated further, especially if the person you bought it from won't take it back for that reason. Aside from that, for a one of a kind factory guitar (such as this) seems kind of silly to not spend a few hundred to repair it?

@jonscudder759 2 ай бұрын

Such a cool guitar and heartbreaking when there is something wrong and has to go back.

@georgewendle7467 2 ай бұрын

On a side note, I enjoyed having a quick jam with you today :)

@engleharddinglefester4285 2 ай бұрын

It has the "gig monster" look to it. Meant to be played in a honky tonk.

@victorsilvas9603 2 ай бұрын

Did the L6S have inlays?

@andye3684 2 ай бұрын

👍

@Nobody92421 2 ай бұрын

I had one of those. (With inlays...) It weighed a ton. Super low frets. And yes. I regret selling it.

@picksalot1 2 ай бұрын

Too bad about the Truss Rod. I've seen someone add a washer as a "spacer" to get more tightening threads on the Truss Rod Nut, but exactly how it's broken on your guitar neck is unclear. There are carpenter devices/tools that you can attach to your Cellphone that let you see "to some degree" through Wallboard, Concrete, to find metal pipes and wires behind them, etc. Might be worth asking your friends in they have any such devices. I tried my old "Walabot" on my Strat neck, but it's not sensitive enough to see anything I'd consider meaningful.

@rudiyantohalim736 2 ай бұрын

It surely sound so good

@mikecarbone828 2 ай бұрын

Salutations Austin! Too bad it has a broken truss rod, otherwise, it is a really nice Les Paul Custom, and it is extra special having no fret markers at all. Thanks for sharing! Please have an excellent and awesome day! ☀️✨🎸

@knutsenneundorf116 2 ай бұрын

How much force do you need to apply to break a truss rod? This sounds brutal.

@stewea57 2 ай бұрын

I always wondered in your reviews when you say the truss rod looks good how would you know without trying to adjust it

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

My preliminary check is for maxed out rods with too many threads showing. Issues past that aren't quite as common and cannot be diagnosed from photos alone

@EarthAltar 2 ай бұрын

@@Trog It's a shame Austin as that is one of the best sounding LPs you've ever demoed. I wonder if that maple is so hard that it broke the rod whenever someone originally tried to turn it? The maple refused to move, and the rod gave way before the wood.

@EarthAltar 2 ай бұрын

@@cataclysmicconverterImagine the heartbreak as you feel the rod snap, and realize what's happened.

@DDE_ADDICT 2 ай бұрын

Nice score

@JayBirdsRockWorld 2 ай бұрын

maple fretboards brightens the tone alot

@mboyer68 2 ай бұрын

However old you were when you fell in love with guitars...I bet that even with your imagination (finding smiley faces or bears in wood gain for example)...even with your imagination you probably couldn't have dreamt that you'd be unboxing, cleaning, measuring, capturing and spreading Gibson history, would have a huge following of great people and be squirreling away super expensive and rare Gibson guitars for a museum!!!

@strat0871 2 ай бұрын

I have an SG with no inlays, and real ebony fretboard, but it's a luthier made SG, not a Gibson.

@3cardmonty602 2 ай бұрын

Water damage on the bottom?

@volkerlinzer844 2 ай бұрын

…you get the maple neck…in ebony… hihi

@scottbogfoot 2 ай бұрын

The two pancake bodies should be called half or short stack and full stack

@billyc6678 2 ай бұрын

That’s a keeper 🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽

@ericbgordon1575 2 ай бұрын

Gibson would be well served to build and market more guitars with maple fingerboards.

@vincentmorelli1013 2 ай бұрын

I don't get why the store doesn't just offer a free truss rod replacement.

@disco4535 2 ай бұрын

Many probably could but its an intensive, expensive process. Many people would probably take it to their luthier they know does good work for sure, if they were going to go that far.

@vincentmorelli1013 2 ай бұрын

@@disco4535 if they're trying to sell it for 6k then it better function like it is

@Returnality 2 ай бұрын

that's a very expensive thing to give away for free

@vincentmorelli1013 2 ай бұрын

@@Returnality for a 6k guitar? Gtfoh

@MarkEdward-bl6cr 2 ай бұрын

Hopefully it can be fixed such a cool guitar shame on that shop they had to know it was in that condition !

@russl9029 2 ай бұрын

Your playing has gotten way better! Great video! Sorry your "freak" was busted :( That would have been really cool to have!

@kevincox9119 2 ай бұрын

If it was busted you would be able to pull it out🤔

@jimmyjames2022 2 ай бұрын

Ah sucks this sweet maple board LP with no inlays had to go back, but that store better let the next buyer know about the truss rod!

@MegaHomie4life 2 ай бұрын

So good!

@wesleed1120 2 ай бұрын

Damn

@bradconklin2878 2 ай бұрын

The one with the pick guard looks better, period.

@Mark_Media 2 ай бұрын

But Trog! What is that big metal cylinder looking think in the electronics cavity????? Stands out like a sore thumb! You are usually so on with description, yet you didn't mention what that is???

@kris955i2 2 ай бұрын

It’s the jack socket. For some reason it is enclosed on this one

@ChrisShortyAllen 2 ай бұрын

He's just teasing you hoping for a comment. What must it be?

@kris955i2 2 ай бұрын

@@ChrisShortyAllen hoping for a comment from trogly?

@Trog 2 ай бұрын

It is the output Jack - they are encased in this era. It had to be removed from Jack plate to take the pots out