I said this on Denny’s video, there was some good racing but we couldn’t see it. Gibbs’ onboard cam showed Bell chase him down which was dope and really showed the rocket he had under the hood. Now what they really need to do is make these onboard videos available on YT!

There's 2 reasons why the championship race is at Phoenix... 1) Phoenix did all those upgrades that cost so much and they need all the revenue from the championship race and that's the only way they can make it back in a timely manner. 2) the championship race is in the desert so no risk of the race being washed out for a day or 2

I think a lot of the problem is most fans think every race should be side by side with a finish like Atlanta every week. Hell I’d love to have that too. Realistically with circumstances etc it’s unrealistic. When there’s a horrible race the blame always goes to NASCAR which I’m happy they listen and try to make changes to help. There’s always gonna be races that are just snoozefests. Throughout the history of the sport there’s always been boring races. Just part of it.

I hate that the championship race is at Phoenix. Its crazy to me that places like dover and pocono only get 1 race a year but phoenix gets 2 and one of them decides our champion. I like the playoffs system points wise but the whole "rounds" thing is dumb. Just make it 16 drivers and whoever has the most points at the end wins. Crowing a champion bc you happen they have a good Phoenix set up that season is silly

I commented yesterday on Phoenix and how it sucks. What I didn’t say is the should not go to Phoenix. I think the vast majority of us, just do not want to go there for our championship battle. That what sucks. You watch this race and realize that the championship battle will just be a shit show. Move the Championship NASCAR!!

By far my favorite nascar podcast (after the download) listening to you guys does more to keep my interest in sport than the TV race broadcast does

42:30 Andretti is spot on. Penske has done a great job of investing in the Indy 500 but that’s it. The league is currently dying a slow death.

One point made in the article you covered about Andretti and Penske is that one of the owners of the Juncos/Hollinger entry is also in there talking about how when he approached Penske about these concerns Roger seemed like his priority was the Indy 500. Which is great because it's the biggest race in the world, but the whole series needs attention and the rest of the races need to be promoted more. I think his point about getting off the plane when F1 is in town and it being everywhere vs IndyCar being nowhere in terms of visibility to the general public is pretty strong. I dont think IndyCar has any stars, just like NASCAR doesn't, in that nobody is a household name to people who aren't watching. But I will say I look down the starting lineup or the championship rankings at any given point and see nothing but exciting names, a good number of which have a real shot of blowing everyone away on any given weekend and making a statement. I think because there's no playoff reset, and the season is much shorter, everything is just more intense and meaningful in IndyCar. As a racing fan that series even when they run lame street courses is far more exciting and interesting to watch. I don't look at the lineup or standings for NASCAR and get the same excitement from just the list of names.

I'm just recording races and fast-forward thru the race portion and watch restarts and green flag pitstops. Bada Bing have the rest of my day to waste on anything i choose afterwards. 3+ hrs cut down to 30mins Never having to listen to the spaz bowyer priceless 😊

The Indy Car race at Texas last year was a banger. Now its off the schedule. I just dont get IndyCar and why they do what they do.

The problem is still the integrity of those low profile tires and wheels on a 34, 00LB race car on a banked turn! That's why NASCAR had to DUMBDOWN to 550 package! You go taller on that sidewall, you'd have a completely different series and the racing would be amazing!

Too many times on Sunday, we watched the leader turn laps under no pressure, while we were forced to watch battles in the top 10 via the scoring/interval board. I mean... Blaney was moving at the end of the race, and we saw none of that.

The problem now is those experts in Italy don't want to admit they were wrong! Especially when alot of teams knew this wheel package was suspect from the gate!

I was at the race yesterday, i didnt think it was terrible, stage 1 was pretty exciting and gave me hope with ty, denny reddick and hamlin battling it out. Stage 3 ran long and became a strategy race but you definitely could pass, i watched the 20, 17, 6 and 12 make many passes moving up, from being there the fords and the toyotas were the best at passing. The track venue itself from a fan perspective is top notch, facility and infield are game changers. I think just a couple more tweets to the package phoenix could have some potential

As a Phoenix raceway season ticket holder. I agree that the championship would be more fun at a different track. But with that being said the race is still fun, great fan experience and deserves 2 races a year. If it's not Phoenix going forward I would prefer having the championship race at Darlington, Homestead or Charlotte. Maybe have the championship race rotate between those 4 tracks.

In 1970 Donnie Allison won the World 600 and then 6 days later finished 4th in the Indianapolis 500 so it wasn't the same day but best finish in both events in the same year

Was at the race. Watching in person jumping between channels it was hard to keep track of who was moving up and down and with the limited passing it turned into a Congo line on longer runs. Watching the broadcast from fox it actually looked like a better product then in person watching the whole field not move except for a half dozen cars

I think Brett hit the hammer on the head, have the playoffs be determined by a lottery. Assign a track a number, and let a lottery determine the order of the playoff races?

Agree on the status of the HMS drivers. It’s great to see 5 and 24 good, but where is the help for the 9 and 48? Do they need a personnel change? More sports psych or training? I feel like they’re letting those two start falling through the cracks

Phoenix isn't the problem, fix the package. If you bring cow shit to the best grill and grill it, its still gonna taste like shit.

Add some banks in 3/4 and this race will be great lol

We definitely have to be careful as fans not to gripe on boring races too much. The constant complaining about racing or points being uneventful is what lead NASCAR to do stuff like playoff formats and phantom cautions. This wasn’t an eventful race, but it also wasn’t a gimmicky race. I’d much rather prefer this kind of race over something like the 2022 All-Star race any day

What about what happened with that caution which was called red upstairs and yellow in the pits?

I normally watch the race replays once they come out because I don’t have time on Sundays to watch live. Normally I skip the phoenix replay and the New Hampshire replay and just watch the highlights. I legitimately fell asleep while watching the RACE HIGHLIGHTS from phoenix this weekend. We wonder why nascar popularity is on the decline and a major reason is because we have a very dull championship finale with drivers who are very PR friendly with less and less personality.

It wasn't a bad race.

It's extremely painful to admit this but Brett is right about the fact that the championship is decided by pit stalls, therefore the championship is decided by qualifying, not the race itself.....I don't condone violence so perhaps just "accidently" dropping the transaxle of Steve Phelps foot?

Crazy thought would it be possible to get a couple championships spotters in the room?

Did Kraft miss the 45 moving through the field on the last run? He restarted 14th, peaked at 6th, lost his handle, and faded. The 12 restarted 15th and finished 5th. The cars that hit the setup could move. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm camp Griffin on this episode.

Old Phoenix layout was way better. The road course was pretty cool too.

Nascar could make them have the most Horsepower of all the major series. 750 would probably be more then F1 and Indy. A plus is that they will be using more fuel and tire.

I’m a week behind. Let’s talk tires at Bristol

The reason is leaves such a bad taste in my mouth is knowing that it’s the champ race. If it had 1 date I think it’d be perfectly fine

I liked the race. But I also love complaining to my friends. Lose lose situation lol.

Groove em tires boys

Feddie is spot on

I just wish every driver wasn’t making the same lap times. I always like comers and goers and if you have a good car and also can maintain your tires you’ll do good.

The cars being so equal seems to be putting the talent of each driver's ability to drive a race car way more on display and important!!

Homestead was a decent championship track

Brett can’t say he’s spotting for the super car guy at RCR

I think they go a long way to fixing things across the series by going back to a five lug tire with a higher profile tire. The tire is the issue.

First of all, there should not be a single race to decide the championship, they should work it down to 4 drivers, and then have 3 races to decide the championship! That said, Phoenix should never be part of who wins the championship. NASCAR has thrown BS cautions for many years.

Chandler Smith was not Checked out… Justin Allgaier was….

Phoenix facilities and weather are fantastic. Rip that pavement up, get with iracing and design an interesting track.

Let's get Rockingham back!

I don't think nascar wants to give up a championship track that gives such a good money shot picture in turn 4

The hate on Phoenix has gone too far! I can easily name 9 tracks that I prefer to watch less: road courses, New Hampshire, Gateway, Martinsville. Looks like there are only a handful of teams who've figured out a set up that allows them to pass, everyone else just complains. So sure let's go back to a 1.5 mile Championship track. 5 years ago everyone hated all the 1.5 miles, we've now come full circle.

why does everyone say Alex Bowman he almost won the Daytona 500, some say he did.

It was a nodder.. Restarts aside, the rest was a snoozer. And partial blame goes to the broadcast crew. We need someone in there that has some spark. There needs to be a Jr. type. DW, Michael, someone with energy. Phoenix race just seems so watered down.

Phoenix Cup race was boring. That does not mean terrible. Just boring.

The 42 car might be cursed

So as a fan. I saw passing all day. The high line and low line both worked. I saw the leader come from 20th to 1st in just the last stage. I saw 5 wide restarts. I saw side by side racing. I saw tire wear, Ty Gibbs was crazy fast if the shoet run and fell off I saw guys spinning I thier own Honestly, I've been watching for 30+ years this is Nascar, what the fuck do you want? A wreckfest? Phantom cautions? Go watch a race for anytime in the 2000s go watch single file racing Honestly there's no making some people happy.... It's just stupidity at this point.

It’s not the track. If you can go five wide, and you race single file. Truex proved the issue, hypermiling and not racing to save gas is what’s killing things. If everyone is conserving all the way to the flag, no one’s racing. That’s how Truex passed the leaders and almost caught up again. He want conserving anymore. So if everyone’s conserving, that’s the issue

I think the reason we hate it is cause it's the championship race. It makes what is supposed to be games 7 for nascar but is a snooze fest. I'd say switch Vegas with Phoenix. Vegas has had a good history in the playoff race and is still warm weather.

As a Los Angelino, I would be down to rebuild LA, but it would just make it more expensive to live here. Love DBR, this race was good. stop complaining so much

Tj, brighten up playa

Nascar and Fox over promoted the new package, which made most fans expect more. More Horsepower and Tire fall off .

I just want passing.

Three things I would change as czar: go back to the cars looking more like the street cars they represent, eliminate stages, and go back to the original 10 race chase format!!!!!

Many athletes aren't the same after an injury.

SVG runs 6th at phoenix coz he bides his time, saves his tires and lets people wreck until it’s the last restart, then he gets aggressive and passes a bunch of cars on the way to the finish line.

Watching Bell cross the finish then P2 5.5 seconds later is completely bogus. Nascar has done absolutely nothing to improve these short track packages. We need MORE HORSEPOWER to make these races worth watching. Its a great track 5 wide restarts, tire fall off, pit strategy etc. We need a better race package at these type tracks its plain for all to see. DO better NASCAR

Take the championship race away from Phoenix!!!

I guess some people have a good opinion short tracks are killing t.v. time take a break until Talladega or Texas or even the next race in Austin. It's an intermediate and superspeedway series with less road course races and no street course put the Bush Shootout back in Daytona no more statuims and short tracks that's my point. And if NASCAR can't do that then there will be a new president coming to fix some things that are a little bit wrong with them. The Gen7 car is still good they just need to drivers stop acting like idiots when the final laps count. Return clean racing and specitcle finishes like 2022.😮

Make the Gen6 great again!! I don't see why Nascar couldn't just make improvements to make it better than going with the current car

Thought it was better than Vegas, where the 5 dominated every stage. The people that are saying it was boring most likely don't follow the strategy of each driver strategy is one of the key factors in these races.

Chase is good at road courses, but hasn't won one in the gen 7. He should have at least 1 maybe 2 wins but still sits at 0

Championship race should be at darlington. Or the comeback of the rock. Rockingham.

Its was a good race...hamlin and lagano wrecked it was perfect.... and i was laying on the bed watching. for 3 1/2 hrs.... i gave it a C+ 79/100 average normal race. no race control manipulation no someone wrecking some one on purpose no pack racing the whole time. not alot of driver or nascar drama. the camera control broadcasting was better... not great but better. cautions played with the strategies but wern't trigger happy for once.... a normal short track sunny afternoon race. it was just race #4 to me.. NEXT

I’m sorry but Phoenix has been a joke for a long time. This car isn’t designed for a flat track. It’s too damn good. The only way to make the short/ flat track package better is make the tires narrower and reduce the braking power. Guess what there goes handling with out having to play with the engine cause one manufacturer doesn’t want more power.

😢😢😢Worst race of the year, EVERY YEAR; why oh why do we do it twice??????😅😅😅😅

They screwed Phoenix after 2011. It went from being an almost short track with a short track vibe to a straight up intermediate, like we don't already have 30 intermediates on the schedule. Boo

I didnt thank it was bad

Easy, lift engine restrictions

She just wants to see endless drafting 3-5 wide. She just doesn't know which words to use! This "passing" is BS! If you want passing go out here on 465!

This track is the worst damn track on the circuit. It needs one date and not be a championship race. It was perfect that the race was on time change weekend. Fans got to catch up on the hour sleep lost. The 5 worst tracks are 1) Phoenix 2) Pocono 3)Richmond 4) New Hampshire 5)Dover Fix the car. Narrow up the tires and with a softer compound. Get rid of that dumbass diffuser.

They destroyed the racing with the reconfiguration of the track. That cutting the dog leg crap is ridiculous. It use to be a great race, but not anymore.

is TJ expecting rain in the studio?? lol

Should have never left homestead

The Phoenix race was good. I seen a lot of passing and side by side racing. It's not gonna be a best race at every track Everytime. And this Phoenix race was better than past. These two clowns in hats are more of a problem for the sport with their social media NASCAR bashing

We need 900 horsepower back and alot of these snoozers will change. No more championship weekend there either.

Legacy motor club sucked, not Noah! The 7 time champion can't even make their cars go fast 😂

F- race was boring and fox had nothing to talk about short track package is trash

It’s not the track the car sucks, y’all beat around the bush for ever but never said it, the car sucks, 3&4 wide what more do you want, need more power. Y’all said it multiple times you start 20th and you run 20th what’s that tell you, all cars are equal, Denny explains bad ass on his pcast.

Horsepower is not going to help nascar dinosaur cars

Such a huge fan of Scotty, can't even pronounce his name properly. 🙄

thsee can't pass issues... might just have to start useing the bumper again.... and move guys up the hill

Phoenix is a horrible track for next Gen cars. It's absolutely a, start the race, take a nap, wake up with 20 to go

The problem with Phoenix is that the track was better when the start finish was on the straightaway

Why you'll talking about indycar? It's you show and you can talk about whatever you want but I just want nascar. Keep it up and stacking pennies sounds better to me

So because Phoenix sucks we shouldn’t complain for it to be better because it always sucks. What a dumb argument.

The most boring driver won the most boring race. I think Chris Bell was created by AI.

There is no excuse for a a package that make so hard to pass on a 2 lane banked oval. Fix the damn car.

They just need to rename this from racing to follow the leader

80% of NASCAR races are snooze fests..

I will NEVER respect a show like this. Gaslighting the fans, who PAY YOUR SALARIES. (Sponsors aren’t there if fans don’t show up). Grow a set a call nascar out for forcing this crap car

Wow you guys are terrible.