It Took Me A Long Time To Figure This Out (too much distortion)

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Rhett Shull

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Distortion is one of the most used and useful sounds we have as guitar players, but how much is TOO much distortion?
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0:00 Intro
1:55 What Is Distortion?
3:45 The Harmonic Series & You
6:04 Compression From Clipping
9:50 Using Distortion In A Track

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@jamesvisceglia3971
@jamesvisceglia3971 Жыл бұрын
A great example of this is the first zeppelin record. It really shows how powerful your sound could be with less. In many moments on the record, the distortion is nowhere near what we as players hear and thus try to emulate.
@ESP77769
@ESP77769 Жыл бұрын
Amen, James!! And Jimmy Page running a Tele into a Pignose amp that's about to blow up!! It wasn't always Les Paul's and Marshall's, etc.
@martinaddison4880
@martinaddison4880 Жыл бұрын
@@ESP77769 Motherless Children's slide gtr part was thru a Pignose.
@jeffwheeler3504
@jeffwheeler3504 Жыл бұрын
So, so true. Xlnt point we should all internalize
@gojoe36
@gojoe36 Жыл бұрын
Also Try Molly Hatchet Beatin the Odds....brings out what real DISTORTION is, an AMP on the verge of breaking up
@dougiemonday
@dougiemonday Жыл бұрын
Yeah that record is a immovable top ten’r
@sneifert1968
@sneifert1968 Жыл бұрын
Angus Young’s tone is a perfect example of lower gain sounding huge.
@benchilds2374
@benchilds2374 Жыл бұрын
Malcolm even moreso.
@farmerkerry7426
@farmerkerry7426 Жыл бұрын
Ironically, most modelling amps have an AC/DC sound that is way too high in gain.
@sagarchawla8145
@sagarchawla8145 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes
@louiscyfer6944
@louiscyfer6944 Жыл бұрын
it would be malcolm.
@Soldano999
@Soldano999 Жыл бұрын
Pete Townshed / The who as well.
@crimfan
@crimfan Жыл бұрын
That riff is ready to sell some serious trucks!
@ApolloSuns
@ApolloSuns Жыл бұрын
Haha coming to a Ford commercial near you
@TheDankCat127
@TheDankCat127 Жыл бұрын
(Deep voice) “Are you a middle class suburbanite looking to compensate for the fact that you’ve never worked a blue collar job in your life? Are you trapped in a sexless marriage while suffering from ED? Reclaim your manhood with the all new 2023 gas guzzler…” *guitar riff*
@paulmdevenney
@paulmdevenney Жыл бұрын
Rhett - I love this kind of "context sensitive" demonstration of fixing a tone for the mix. I would love to see more of this kind of stuff.
@michealodwyer7306
@michealodwyer7306 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a similar video on reverb. Too much of it might sound great on its own, but like distortion it can remove definition and add mud to the tone in the context of a full mix.
@danielsaturnino5715
@danielsaturnino5715 Жыл бұрын
For me, on your original play clip you have too much low frequencies going into the distortion which make it a bit of a mess. It would sound fine with the same distortion set on the amp and less bass on the settings. Actually when you cut the bass frequencies the saturation on the preamp stage also drops a bit.
@Eliphas_Elric
@Eliphas_Elric Жыл бұрын
Or just slap a Tube screamer in front of it with the drive on zero, volume on 10, and tone set to 2 oclock, boom fits right in the mix and sounds great.
@coreybuystedt
@coreybuystedt Жыл бұрын
I agree
@Texasbluesalley
@Texasbluesalley Жыл бұрын
This is a great video Rhett. I wonder how much of our tendency to add higher levels of gain has to do with how many of us record today. With more and more players playing at home at low volumes, it's really easy to lose sight of the fact that many of the records we love (especially live albums) were recorded at much higher volumes where the guitar tone got an assist from the amount of air being moved and helping the guitar sustain more. So when our tone lacks the same "energy" our first instinct is to add more gain or distortion. It does give us more sustain, but we lose clarity.
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
👆👆Thanks for the feedback, Expect more video very soon send a directiy message I have something for you 🎸🎁
@CR3W1SH03S
@CR3W1SH03S Жыл бұрын
Some of the biggest rock tracks were actually played on very small amps. Layla was played on a Fender Champ. Little amps can sound big and allow you to use much better but sometimes more fragile mics. Things like ribbon mics would never take the punishment of a Marshall stack.
@kennethc2466
@kennethc2466 Жыл бұрын
It's not about gain, its about frequency. Hence, a fuzz vs a 5150II. The fuzz is what the video's author says is not good, where a 5150II, crunch switch in, is what he says it 'clean', and 'good'. Seems quite silly, and absolute...to sell a product. Shame context is ignored for, 'less pre-amp be more gooder, regardless of the guitar/song/band/venue/speakers/etc...' Please, tell Ted Nugent his 5150 is, 'too much distortion'.
@johnb4024
@johnb4024 7 ай бұрын
Jim Lill made a great video called "the one thing every influential guitar tone has in common". In that video he took samples of his guitar directly in front of a cranked Marshall half stack and samples of his guitar not in the presence of loud volumes. When he played the sound files back of the 2 recorded guitars you could not hear any difference between the two guitar parts. Psychologically it might make you play different, but you could not hear the difference on the recorded guitar part
@ruminantmelanoid5444
@ruminantmelanoid5444 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to you, I started using "edge of breakup" in my playing. A little really does go a long way.
@max.r.guitar
@max.r.guitar Жыл бұрын
Did too, the result is immediate : when playing gigs I started getting compliments from other guitarists (better than me) on my tone, and that's quite a feeling
@danabiondo9243
@danabiondo9243 Жыл бұрын
Less is Really More.
@DerEchteBold
@DerEchteBold Жыл бұрын
@@danabiondo9243 But here it doesn't sound good at all!
@jonathandanielmartinez2949
@jonathandanielmartinez2949 Жыл бұрын
@@DerEchteBold Edge of breakup is a starting point foundation! Add your choice of effects to build the sound. Ex. Guitar-flanger-compressor-clean boost-amp-fx loop-chorus-delay-reverb. Could always add, a couple of more bells & whistles. There are no set rules.
@DerEchteBold
@DerEchteBold Жыл бұрын
@@jonathandanielmartinez2949 Hmm... but if you see it like that, instead of improving something that lacks in sound you would usually want to start with something that sounds good already, right!? Well, to me this doesn't at all.
@philipatoz
@philipatoz Жыл бұрын
Couple of takeaways: Doesn't matter so much how or what you used to get the sound you're after - but once you have a sound you like, know how you got it / and how to replicate it: Always listen to your guitars in the band mix - what sounds great alone may have frequency clash or clarity issues; Trust your ears!
@joxyjoxyjoxy1
@joxyjoxyjoxy1 Жыл бұрын
Yes! Most guitarists always want their inst. to sound like a live setup when they record instead of finding its place in the mix. I almost always drop out the low end unless the guitar is playing on its own.
@MetalJamesK
@MetalJamesK Жыл бұрын
been watching your channel for years but this.. this is it. great job Rhett
@cancelbubble6535
@cancelbubble6535 Жыл бұрын
It's all about the vibe you're going far and of course personal taste. I actually preferred the heavy version over the cleaned up version, but at the same time, to me, it isn't like one is vastly better than the other.
@kal-el4781
@kal-el4781 Жыл бұрын
I preferred the heavier riff too. It sounded a lot more pleasing to my ears compared to the cleaned up version.
@blackinblue11
@blackinblue11 Жыл бұрын
@@kal-el4781I would choose somewhere in the half way of the two:)
@Mojoman57
@Mojoman57 Жыл бұрын
Love the comments. This is why music is awesome. I'm digging Gary Clark Jr. one night, and TOOL the next.
@owenandrew8108
@owenandrew8108 Жыл бұрын
a balance of higher and lower gain is a good option. i feel like the higher gain prs for the chunk with the lower gain novo to preserve the sparkle and definition would be a good balance.
@gamezombie1013
@gamezombie1013 Жыл бұрын
same
@jimmygrant3151
@jimmygrant3151 Жыл бұрын
This was really good Rhett. This is the exact reason why I subscribe to your channel. having said that, there is so much truth to this. I always find myself backing off the distortion when I record, but having it full on when I jam alone.
@hybridnoisebloom
@hybridnoisebloom Жыл бұрын
Jimmy Page was a master of the interplay of instruments in rock music. When you hear just the guitar on an epic track such as Immigrant Song, it doesn't sound all that impressive on its own, but when paired with Jones' bass and Bonham's drums underneath it, it sounds freaking MASSIVE. Page really understood how the bass and drums and guitar all served the riffs and the songs.
@marions.120
@marions.120 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s correct. People don’t understand when I tell them Page plays cleaner than they think.
@jeffwheeler3504
@jeffwheeler3504 Жыл бұрын
@@marions.120 Great point. I was always amazed how clean Page played live back in the 70’s versus what my ear was hearing on the record
@marions.120
@marions.120 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffwheeler3504 -Crazy isn’t it?
@danabiondo9243
@danabiondo9243 Жыл бұрын
A Musical Genius !
@justinpalmer6098
@justinpalmer6098 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffwheeler3504 A lot of times what you hear on the record is studio distortion from having gone through the transformer(s) at the mixing desk. There's an interview somewhere with Angus (or one of them) talking about how much more guitar distortion is on the final recording than what they're actually using.
@bailey5924
@bailey5924 Жыл бұрын
I learned this from Ola Englund. When trying to dial in a good rhythm metal tone, try to use as little gain as possible to get your sound, then cut it back just a little for recording. It allows for more dynamics and responds to you digging into the strings for heavy chugs!
@Zeagods-CyberShadow
@Zeagods-CyberShadow Жыл бұрын
Yeeee
@216trixie
@216trixie Жыл бұрын
This is critical to good sound in a band live. Bedroom sound is one thing. I gig regularly in a few bands. Over the years I have constantly dialed back the gain more and more. It's amazing how little I play with now and get the best tone ever. And I don't get lost in the mix!
@learningftw8173
@learningftw8173 Жыл бұрын
Wow this came at the right time, been playing as i lay dying and my tone would get very muddy with the backing tracl, thanks Rhett, love your stuff man 👌
@alkyhauler8185
@alkyhauler8185 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation about all things distortion. The difference in the two tracks is amazing. Way bigger sound. Great job!
@taylormoon3561
@taylormoon3561 Жыл бұрын
Great video, this is one of the most important lessons I’ve learned about dialing in my sound. Even metal players like Matt Pike from Sleep talk about how they really just use a medium overdrive sound.
@TheDilligan
@TheDilligan Жыл бұрын
This is something I love about the Klon. It's "enough" distortion. But it's not capable of giving you too much. Sometimes, practicing alone in my room, it is unsatisfying. But in any actual context, it's plenty.
@MegaTubescreamer
@MegaTubescreamer Жыл бұрын
your shows are jam packed with intelligent method and concise information rhett ! great to see your level of applied experience yet still having fun doing it your way ,its always time well spent. 👍
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Expect more video very soon send a directiy message I have something for you.👆👆👆
@emmanueldubois5882
@emmanueldubois5882 Жыл бұрын
One of the best and clearest lead on the path of understanding distortion. Hats off.
@TheDankCat127
@TheDankCat127 Жыл бұрын
“My best RAM trucks commercial riff” You mean The Black Keys?
@patriotpizzaman
@patriotpizzaman Жыл бұрын
I'm curious what that riff would have sounded like with one guitar running the heavy gain and the other one with the cleaner setting. I kind of liked the sound of the chords better on the heavy takes and the single-note riffs slightly more on the cleaner setting. Maybe a combination of the two would be the best of both worlds?
@GooberNumber9
@GooberNumber9 Жыл бұрын
I've done this before and it definitely works. Another way to get an articulate and also thick guitar sound is to take a DI track along with a high gain track and then mix the two together, with or without some kind of re-amping or amp emulation on the DI track. The DI track is maximum clean, dynamic range, and articulation. The gain track is kind of the opposite. Combined with good EQ decisions made on the gain track and maybe some compression on the DI track, along with good mixing for the rest of the sounds, this really can be a best-of-both-worlds sound, as long as the music calls for it. I have long preferred to both double track and double amp guitars, giving me four total guitar tracks (guitar 1 amp 1, guitar 1 amp 2, guitar 2 amp 1, guitar 2 amp 2). You can always mute one of the amp sounds if it's really wrong, but I find mixing two different sounds for each part gives me a lot of ways to fix or enhance the guitar tracks. Plus if you want that wide stereo sound of double tracked guitars panned left and right, having the separate amp sounds for each part let you be even wider!
@stevengarrity2989
@stevengarrity2989 Жыл бұрын
I've found this (overlaying a cleaner sound over a thicker/heavier sound) works well. It doesn't even sound like two layers, just adds clarity to the fuzzier layer.
@Kenneth_R
@Kenneth_R Жыл бұрын
Your playing and that amp sounds amazing. Just superb. Keep using it.
@davemarriott9332
@davemarriott9332 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video Rhett.....Well explained. Took me years to figure this out. I remember mastering at the Record Plant and wondering why my guitar was getting buried in the mix. It was to late to go back to Studio D to track. EQ was my only friend at that point and every session I did past that our producer (Bill Cutler) reminded me to use my gain sparingly to stand out in the blanket of the other stringed insturments. These small classes your putting out are great and look forward to the next. Cheers Dave
@imacmadman22
@imacmadman22 Жыл бұрын
I actually liked BOTH guitar tones and agree on both fronts because I've always thought the guitar's tone should fit the song. Imagine 'War Pigs' without Tony Iommi's sludgy, thick tone or Santana's 'Black Magic Woman" without the singing sustain. Both of those legendary examples would likely not be the the classic sounds many of us know and love. I believe what matters more is what you're trying to achieve within the overall sound of the song. I do agree that less gain can make a guitar part stand out, but I also think it's worth looking at what you're trying to achieve with the song itself. Many legendary guitarists achieved their heaviness through production rather than gain and there are countless examples of that anywhere you care to listen. Nice CE too, Rhett!
@Wanderer_XJ
@Wanderer_XJ Жыл бұрын
I was once told: The more notes/strings you are playing at once, the less gain you need to use.
@RetroPlus
@RetroPlus Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true
@edwardlangdon9256
@edwardlangdon9256 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will help me alot and explains clearly some problems I was hearing in the past
@ROLLOGUITAR
@ROLLOGUITAR Жыл бұрын
Thank you Rhett. I've found this out the hard way. Great tip!
@Burnt_Gerbil
@Burnt_Gerbil Жыл бұрын
I play rock and metal so I’m fine with “too much” distortion. The trick is to turn down bass and turn up the mids. 🤘😄
@CRAZYCANUCKTV
@CRAZYCANUCKTV Жыл бұрын
That is very true
@sunrise2982
@sunrise2982 Жыл бұрын
When play with a band, even in metal the principle is valid. Having high distortion you easily lose definition. Also what sounds good alone or in your bedroom, is not the same in a full band or recording situation. Less bass, more mids and barely treble combined with not very high distortion always kicks!!! I have tried in rehearsal room with the band at "playing" volume. A lot of reviews of distortion (in fact great) pedals/modelers on youtube, shows almost full distortion setup, but in real life that specific pedal doesn't sound as good as they pretend and you can get the best going to max 1/2 o'clock with the distortion. This video it's a good starting point: the sound in the room, alone, versus in a full mix/recording!!!
@Burnt_Gerbil
@Burnt_Gerbil Жыл бұрын
@@sunrise2982 - Cool story, bro.
@adambrown8867
@adambrown8867 Жыл бұрын
If you mix layer distortion back to front, heavy distortion sans added compression goes in the back, & the cleanest goes in front with added light compression/peak limiting as needed. Combined the sound will be huge while retaining dynamics.
@MinoStraussen
@MinoStraussen Жыл бұрын
This I am writing in my book of stuff to try out!
@jorgemartinez42069
@jorgemartinez42069 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by "back to front" here? Volume levels? Or placing them in a "space" by making the guitar in the "back" have more reverb than the on in the front?
@adambrown8867
@adambrown8867 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgemartinez42069 Could be accomplished more than one way. The most simple is just volume mixing, but you can get more depth if record with depth to begin with. You get depth by microphone placement in the the space & microphone selection. You can also flip it around. Oh, you need a really good space/room. I digress. Put the distortion in front & the clean in back. To me reverb is like compression. Really don't want it all over the place. But ymmv. Whatever works.
@jerrystephenson1172
@jerrystephenson1172 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgemartinez42069 I understand him to mean front as earlier in the signal chain & back as later. The guitar in ft. amp in back as the signal flows.I could be wrong bc. it threw me at first.
@allstopblue5717
@allstopblue5717 Жыл бұрын
I understood the original comment perfectly (in my mind). All the responses got weirder and more complicated. Lol I’ll stick to what I “thought” I understood. Haha
@rickbjurstrom467
@rickbjurstrom467 Жыл бұрын
Already really liked your videos. But I gotta say your production value has just continued to improve to a seriously top shelf level. Really appreciate all your hard work.
@Jalliams
@Jalliams Жыл бұрын
Often discussed, rarely demonstrated so well. Thanks, Rhett! Learning to turn the gain down when appropriate was an absolutely game changer! That Pedal Show is other channel that also demonstrate this idea. Also, love that CE22. Cheers!
@SimonRefaloGuitaristOfficial
@SimonRefaloGuitaristOfficial Жыл бұрын
Malcolm Young had the best rhythm sound and was mostly a clean sound, but then Angus would have a more crunchy sound which complemented his brothers sound- which made the ultimate ACDC sound!!!
@darthgibsonlp6631
@darthgibsonlp6631 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Malcolm's sound was partly through playing heavier gauge strings and using a harder picking technique - he wasn't afraid to dig those chords.
@joxyjoxyjoxy1
@joxyjoxyjoxy1 Жыл бұрын
Love Malcom's sound. Spot on with how those 2 complement each other.
@dstagl
@dstagl Жыл бұрын
This is great, Rhett. Now, can you please do one on how reverb on guitar works in the context of a band?
@kennethsease6761
@kennethsease6761 Жыл бұрын
As an audio engineer I learned so much about exactly what you were talking about rhett. A lot of it is just phase cancellation and EQ and frequencies and it's all compression and left right up down forward backwards that's what's so cool about engineering a record is you can place things because of all those things and that certainly has a huge impact on what is in front of the mix what is behind the mix etc .......thank you rhett for your channel, it's very informative I always love watching you because you tackle things in a way that keeps it very interesting.
@mustanggrandpubah
@mustanggrandpubah Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson today. I'm going to put some of this into practice as I lay down some tracks tonight.
@Dave-hp4vh
@Dave-hp4vh Жыл бұрын
Great tip for getting a crisp and thick heavily distorted tone within a mix: double the part with a clean acoustic with heavy strings and keep it panned in sync with the heavy guitar so they blend well, cutting a bit off the low end EQ on the acoustic. The percussive sound of the acoustic strings plus the crisp upper harmonics makes the distorted guitar sound absolutely massive and allows the notes in the riff to stand out
@joxyjoxyjoxy1
@joxyjoxyjoxy1 Жыл бұрын
Whoa. That's an awesome idea. I use a lot of chunk when i record. My method has always been to put a tiny bit of chorus or phaser on. Can't wait to give that a shot.
@Slayer821
@Slayer821 Жыл бұрын
I like the Heavy version better and I still think that needed more distortion.
@kamasotomonte5043
@kamasotomonte5043 Жыл бұрын
I want to smash this video with an ole 90s Peavy.... 🤣
@jorgemartinez42069
@jorgemartinez42069 Жыл бұрын
Judging by your handle, I'd guess your taste in music is probably a bit different than Rhett's and thus would lean more towards the distortion side with metal and then rely on other techniques with EQ and such to make space for the wall of sound that hyper distorted guitars produce.
@Slayer821
@Slayer821 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgemartinez42069 Correct.
@larstraue6393
@larstraue6393 Жыл бұрын
And once again - Less is More! Thanks a lot for this very helpful demonstration! What a huge difference!
@ZackSeifMusic
@ZackSeifMusic Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Rhett! Love how you went through the physics of sound as well, as it is very important to learn in order to really understand what's going on in music when it comes to mixing, arranging, and trying to manipulate sound. I do think that the amp itself plays a huge role in this as well. Some amps fall apart if pushed too much, but high-gain amps (Mesa Mark Series, EVH 5153 etc.) that are designed to handle higher amounts of distortion can be turned up to 10 with no loss in clarity or low end flub out since the tone stack can help tame all of that. Wattage/clean headroom so that's another major factor. My trick is to find the sweet spot and work from there. There's also the whole pre-amp gain vs power-amp consideration as well. So many areas to explore, and factors to consider!
@SleepingLionsProductions
@SleepingLionsProductions Жыл бұрын
It really all depends on your style of music and preference. I personally would've gone with the heavier riff cuz I just love that heavy saturated tone but the clean riff is great if you love the dynamic and twangy sound.
@davesaenz3732
@davesaenz3732 Жыл бұрын
I get annoyed with that twangy sound. Lol. Overused and too soft.
@thechannelforeverything2170
@thechannelforeverything2170 Жыл бұрын
Being a rock metal player. I've been discovering over time that, the heavy tones are indeed the ones that are much more clean than you think. I use a Mesa Mark III for all my Thrashy stuff, and I always leave the gain on 4 and no more.
@harolddeschenes4640
@harolddeschenes4640 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rhett for this video. I learned a lot in 15 minutes. I'm a metal guy so the more gain the better but I totally get what you're trying to show us here. I'll go to bed more informed tonight so thank you :)
@john564holloway
@john564holloway Жыл бұрын
Great vid, Rhett. Love tone tips like these!
@elphidium
@elphidium Жыл бұрын
interestingly, but I liked the fuzzy sound better. Good video btw
@lucistired
@lucistired Жыл бұрын
I think the threshold should be wherever you can hear every note in the chord. This threshold shifts depending on the chords you play; I use 7th chords a lot so I tend to play cleaner (a fender twin at 6-8 is my happy place) but as Rhett pointed out more gain sounds awesome with power chords. So basically use however much gain you think sounds good, but remember that you already know what the chords are; the audience doesn't. Make sure they can hear them
@Fernando-ry5qt
@Fernando-ry5qt Жыл бұрын
Unless you want a big wall of something, I dub guitars with a LOT of fuzz and use them as "beds" for the "heavy" guitars (not that distorted at all) and it does wonders filling those small gaps below the band, kind of like using synths or organs for the same purpose
@1badsteed
@1badsteed Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@fasteddievh2072
@fasteddievh2072 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Extremely helpful. I feel like didn’t realize that “less is more” until I started gigging . You will suddenly figure out that what worked well in your bedroom, doesn’t translate well in a live band mix. Plus, I always remember that Dave Friedman once said “the greats don’t actually use a lot of distortion”.
@WyattStensrud
@WyattStensrud Жыл бұрын
I love seeing KZfaqrs I love shouting out other KZfaqrs I love!!! Lots of love to you and Andrew!
@KesslerMickschGeorgeII
@KesslerMickschGeorgeII Жыл бұрын
SRV, AC/DC, and even Sleep are great examples of how volume is power. Power amp gain and speaker breakup are essential elements of ‘heavy’
@chewybang
@chewybang Жыл бұрын
I guess it really depends on what you're going for. I have found your advice to be true, but sometimes more is more (like Malmsteen would say) Listen to Fu Manchu's "King of the Road" for a master class in fuzz and heavy distortion. Just killer stuff.
@TheTruth70777
@TheTruth70777 Жыл бұрын
its nice to have a better understanding of it. Thanks
@guydouglas6094
@guydouglas6094 Жыл бұрын
This is excellent. Love the harmonic series video - that was great. The 'cleaned-up' to 'heavy' comparison was a great demo. Love watching your channel. That PRS guitar is awesome on the eye and pleasing to the ear. The PRS amp definitely has that Marshall plexi treble/bass mix.
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
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@jackmaddox4960
@jackmaddox4960 Жыл бұрын
I noticed this phenomenon, or whatever you want to call it, years ago on Led Zeppelin recordings; As a kid listening to Zeppelin I always 'heard' the guitar parts as heavily over-driven; but as I got more experienced, and developed a more critical ear, and then later was able to hear the tracks soloed, I was surprised by how often the distortion level was a lot less than I'd imagined... And as in Rhett's example, often it was the many layers of guitar tracks that created that huge gritty sound. Jimmy Page demonstrated tremendous sophistication in guitar tone/recording, especially when you consider how long ago it was, and how limited their tools were then, compared to now...
@thomkopal1740
@thomkopal1740 Жыл бұрын
"Gain" You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. ~ Inigo Montoya
@josealaras9191
@josealaras9191 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for this lesson Rhett!
@dogcowrph
@dogcowrph Жыл бұрын
I always learn something watching your videos. The bonus I’m entertained as well.
@kennethc2466
@kennethc2466 Жыл бұрын
The laughter from metal players is thunderous.
@alluringskull2133
@alluringskull2133 Жыл бұрын
As a metal player the max gain i have ever used is 7
@kennethc2466
@kennethc2466 Жыл бұрын
@@alluringskull2133 On all amps, ever?
@jackmontano3698
@jackmontano3698 Жыл бұрын
I have a question, that tone in the beginning was pretty good, so can’t you just mix the entire track differently to make it fit? Like Hendrix had a ton of gain from his fuzz, and Kurt contain had a literal ds1 with ear bleeding gain and it sounds amazing??? So I don’t really understand why you can’t just mix it differently
@DerEchteBold
@DerEchteBold Жыл бұрын
Why change the mix? The initial version sounds great as it is!
@zachary963
@zachary963 Жыл бұрын
It’s what you want out of the tone. Personally I thought it sounded great heavy. Most metal heads use incredibly distorted tones. But that’s not necessarily always pleasing. If you do what to mix it to sound better, I would recommend cutting some of the low end frequencies and then putting a transient designer to strengthen the attack.
@Jay-nu1bk
@Jay-nu1bk Жыл бұрын
Awesome deep dive into the workings of distortion, enjoyed every minute
@georgecass7581
@georgecass7581 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Rhett! Very informative.
@goddamelectric8468
@goddamelectric8468 Жыл бұрын
I mean yes and no. The problem isn’t necessarily the gain it’s the eq and the gain combined. You can leave that same gain structure and eq differently to get a much better sound. This only really matters when you play both clean and distorted and switch between. Kinda tells me you don’t get high gain sounds. If you’re a hard rock player and don’t play clean this advice is going to give you a headache. Jerry Cantrell isn’t turning down the gain, trust me.
@famouswww
@famouswww Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, heavier settings sounded better for this specific track but I get the point. Sometimes, lower gain tones sound a lot bigger because you're left with more space in the mix. Btw, you also can't go wrong with a PRS whatever tone u choose :) Great video!
@caca_spaniel_1239
@caca_spaniel_1239 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it sounded like a fuzz which was pretty cool
@rickmoore52
@rickmoore52 Жыл бұрын
hey, this was a greatly informative video and demonstration. thanks!
@chazjr2390
@chazjr2390 Жыл бұрын
This is why I watch your videos, Rhett! Great lesson! I really appreciate it!
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
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@r33th
@r33th Жыл бұрын
Dude that amp is producing fuzz without a pedal. PRS nailed it with that thing
@WilliamDeShazer
@WilliamDeShazer Жыл бұрын
You are right and I get what you're saying, but I prefer the heavier sound.
@lancere00
@lancere00 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it sounded way better. It had more guts and sounded more exciting to my ears. Definition is great but it isn't everything- sometimes you want it, but it depends on the effect you're going for. 1st clip rocked harder
@Dann1303
@Dann1303 Жыл бұрын
Also makes a massive difference if the backing track matches guitars that are heavier. Just like saying your guitar doesn’t have enough gain and putting a clean channel in front of death metal rhythm.
@TheDilligan
@TheDilligan Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think the other thing to consider is that so many bands, especially in punk and grunge, went into the studio and used maximum distortion because they were coming from a place of less experience in a generation that had access to higher distortion. The result may be dirty and messy, but that means it gives listeners a different impression - not a better or worse impression. And nowadays it has been normalized enough that it is a completely acceptable option. The value in knowing the difference is being able to decide whether the sound you are looking for requires more or less gain.
@Zafersernikli
@Zafersernikli Жыл бұрын
This took me to my high school times where I turn all the knobs of my MT2 up all the way.
@OfirOrlinsky
@OfirOrlinsky Жыл бұрын
Great video Rhett! Interesting topic. More like this please.
@nickzema4200
@nickzema4200 Жыл бұрын
This was very helpful for me. Thanks. More videos about how to track in this mindset would be fantastic.
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
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@stevewarren4813
@stevewarren4813 Жыл бұрын
A very common "sound issue" that I have heard a lot of great players have is to play really distorted parts with POUNDS and POUNDS of delay and reverb. No!!! Stop it!!
@mjeetje5850
@mjeetje5850 Жыл бұрын
Next Video Plz: You're Probably Using Too Much Reverb (and it sounds bad)
@genri.a9128
@genri.a9128 Жыл бұрын
Yes!! And delay!
@PeterUrbanPhoto
@PeterUrbanPhoto Жыл бұрын
Finally someone that explains the relationship of base tone/note and harmonics properly, thank you.
@johnmccabe7645
@johnmccabe7645 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely stellar vid. The side by side harmonic removals was the best demonstration. Keep on keeping on😎😎
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
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@DevonVanNote
@DevonVanNote Жыл бұрын
Some of my favorite metal albums use a less gain than you think. Less gain and more layers create that huge sound.
@DevonVanNote
@DevonVanNote Жыл бұрын
a lot less*
@bgmchrisc
@bgmchrisc Жыл бұрын
Actually, I think that guitar sound at the beginning sounds atrocious; no bite, no power, flabby all around. I wouldn't listen to any record that sounded like that.
@michaelwillinger
@michaelwillinger Жыл бұрын
Great video Rhett. The demo really shows how less can be more.
@ricardogdnb
@ricardogdnb Жыл бұрын
great timing, during this week i was trying to remove all of the distortion "noise" from my presets, this video was pretty much spot on 👍
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
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@scottwengerd7725
@scottwengerd7725 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful! Thanks for the video!
@AeroPR
@AeroPR Жыл бұрын
Love the quality of your videos. Learn much from them.
@tommystratpaul
@tommystratpaul Жыл бұрын
It is quite interesting to play along to the tracks you are learning, after practicing and trying to find the tone in isolation. I ALWAYS realize I have way too much gain dialed in. Whenever I have longer stints of playing alone, my gain usage goes up, but in times I get to play more live I always have to dial back the gain for it to sound correct. I just never seem to learn though😅
@hairman49er
@hairman49er Жыл бұрын
Love this! Just was thinking about this the other day.
@donandmaracapili1384
@donandmaracapili1384 Жыл бұрын
Wow man very informative and very well explained. Cheers!
@cflowers69
@cflowers69 Жыл бұрын
So glad that you covered this. Have jammed with so many who just pretty much dime the gain. Nothing but mush.
@formulajoe2
@formulajoe2 Жыл бұрын
Great video! The entire time I was thinking about Siamese Dream. Billy Corgan has mentioned how when he was telling/showing Butch Vig how he wanted the guitars to sound on the record, Butch was like “No way” that’s too hard to record and get it to sound good. But that’s the sound they wanted (huge fuzz through Marshall amps TIMES TWO). Dave Onarato was apparently around the studio when that record was being recorded in Atlanta and he and Rick Beato keep threatening to do a video about it and I’m still anxiously awaiting!
@christopherberry8519
@christopherberry8519 Жыл бұрын
About 20 years ago, i was using a small home recording 4 track and just split my humbucker and ran it with the mid pickup and turned the bass down - the sound went from small distorted and tight to huge. This distorted sound is choking the amp badly - the entire attack vanishes. You can get non choked heavy sounds and they can sound quite nice but I prefer them in combination with a overdrive partner to provide some dynamics and space. Reverb is the other killer - taking up all breathing space.
@danieljones8706
@danieljones8706 Жыл бұрын
This is a good video on how to properly use distortion and overdrive. More of it makes your instrument less noticeable clear, which is sometimes exactly what you need.
@stringbladestudios
@stringbladestudios Жыл бұрын
I really like mixing different levels of gain with double tracking. But always do what fits the song.
@dcaudio1
@dcaudio1 Жыл бұрын
This was awesome....actually i loved the fuller sound of the heavier distortion but after hearing it in context of the song the less distortion sound really cut through better and overall sounded better. Thanks Rhett....
@chrisegg7936
@chrisegg7936 Жыл бұрын
you’re doing the world a great service with this
@calebriley7466
@calebriley7466 Жыл бұрын
Most of my overdrives are volume all the way up and gain barely on and it just stacks a little bit of color every time I hit on the next pedal and it’s awesome
@drewcaster
@drewcaster Жыл бұрын
This works in the context of looping too. Adding layers with different sound dynamics adds to the overall loop and if you duplicate tones in layers it can drown out or get muddy pretty quickly.
@cptntwang
@cptntwang Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This is eyeopening.
@vapingamers
@vapingamers Жыл бұрын
This was really really good. I just recently got a Gretsch 5420T and the sounds I am getting compared to my Ibanez is world apart. I am going to take what you suggested doing here and see if I can dial in a better sound. With the example you gave I clearly heard the difference. Thanks for doing this and for giving me something to think about in terms of sound and presence.
@imperialginger1590
@imperialginger1590 Жыл бұрын
Tremendous amount of value in this video!
@cockneyblue
@cockneyblue Жыл бұрын
That’s so interesting! Thank you
@moetarded7757
@moetarded7757 Жыл бұрын
Nice back to basics and the nutz and bolt of what we already have! Ty can we have a series that takes you to featured home studios! I would love to see you venturing into others realms to glean with glee!
@realreally5927
@realreally5927 6 ай бұрын
Great lesson in distortion! Nice job
@tbird_musica
@tbird_musica Жыл бұрын
This video got me pumped for Toyotathon 2022 haha! Great video!
@tomz1989
@tomz1989 Жыл бұрын
To me that's why I use a lot the volume knob to control not only the volume but the gain in first place. I found more pleasant sounds with volume rolled at 2/3 . The band mix is always a sum of everybody .....so if you try to cover too much spectrums (bassy/trebly/midrangy) you gonna be 'eaten' whole by other instruments that run on their peculiar eq segment. Find your spot and don't overdo it. I found really instructive the video posted on living gear demos about Josh Homme tone chasing . Low gain high volume. That's how you get so "surgical " in a band mix (of course EQing the right bands)
@fiveeyes2802
@fiveeyes2802 Жыл бұрын
Nice job, Rhett. This was very informative.
@BassTheworldcom
@BassTheworldcom Жыл бұрын
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@livio_morais
@livio_morais Жыл бұрын
This is the best video explainer about this "ego issue". Thanks!!
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