Itachi

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Transcends space=Spacetime Ninjutsu, ie Kamui. Told you industry plant.

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@@sixfromtokyo look up what space time ninjutsu is in the databook.

Nah the jiraiya statememt was just he didnt want to hurt him

I think that's pretty accurate. It's like keeping the secret is just an advantage to them. But it still doesn't give them the win. People say that statements made by characters holds a lot of weight when power scaling them, but a lot of what I've seen doesn't really match up.

​@@gulletali8418"He didn't want to hurt him" Yeah sure, the person that literally executed his own master ""didn't want to hurt him"".

Nah Obito dint just want too waste a Sharigan on itachi he may have Alot but there limited

@@gameuniverse5973 you commented this 42 seconds ago

Someone who gets it You're a true comrade

I think that Obito statement was more so referring to if Itachi knew about his secrets (izanagi), he could have planted like a second Amaterasu in Sasuke’s eye to catch Obito off guard again or something. It might not even refer to a straight up fight.

I totally agree. After all Obito was caught off guard by the Amaterasu, but the Raikage dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu and later that arc, the Raikage charged full speed to hit Obito when he appeared to save Sasuke and he was able to react with Kamui the attack, which proves that even if in normal circunstances Obito shouldn't have problem dealing with this type attack, it doesn't mean that he would never get caught off guard, which is totally in Itachi's character to come up with a prep-time strategy. Also I think that is same thing with the statement of Pain about Jiraya defeating him if he knew his secret, because Just like this situation where Obito totally physically outclass Itachi, the six paths of Pain totally destroy Sage Jiraya, but if Jiraya knew if were 6 bodies of Pain, he could maybe wait until all the 6 of them to be together to get them off guard by Frog Song, or he could distract the 6 bodies to flee from the battle and direct attack Nagato's body off guard with Frog Song or something. In the Naruto story they state in the beginning that the Shinobi Way is the art of deceiving and there more ways of defeating someone other than just an one on one fight or overpower the opponent.

Huge difference in the situations. Obito reacted to V1 raikage while raikage needed v2 and body flicker to avoid Amaterasu. meaning obito reacted to a much slower raikage.

​@@sd-pv2vywouldn't make a difference given that 14 yo obito was on par with base minato in his prime and if obito had both eyes minato would've died given the statement that madara made in the war the speed of kamui can increase if using both eyes and obito showed up to the Kage summit like he was ordering Mcdonalds

​@@sd-pv2vyduring war obito could easily keep up fighting against naruto chakra mode that was faster than raikage and while fighting naruto he was fighting gai with opened Gates and kamui kakashi and while controlling the bijus that were fighting aaginst killer b, he was literrly fighting against 4 People At the same time, its there to see.. Hes on another realm of physical features compared to Itachi, i cant comprehend how Peoole compare him to a sick half blind Itachi

Everybody is off guard when it comes to itachi 😂 Itachi is a checkmate master

@@angelm365he’s good at setting up attacks for sure lmao like the Izanami plan with Kabuto, reminds me of Naruto’s elaborate plan to free Kakashi from the water prison jutsu

Nope he was just able to touch sasuke and make both of them intangible besides he was already watching sasuke throughout these fights this was mentioned

Obito can just golb the burning part of his body with wood style or just kamui it.

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Why is sasukes amaterastu = to Itachis

@@SoullessFN sasuke have itachi's eyes

Isn't the point of izanami not to let a person out of the genjutsu until they realize their wrongdoings

@@jahjah3440 though it was said it only works if you don't have faith or know who you are as a person like the waterfall in turtle island

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@@gameuniverse5973 you’re right the other person is wrong

"I'm pretty sure"....hmmm Yeah I prefer Six analysis with databook statements and manga panels, than just sheer intuition.

He used izanagi to escape amaterasu. He has many sharingan in collection

@@knightf8648 considering the fact he gets hit with black flames, proceeds to scream nd walk into the shadows, then comes out no burn on clothes, perfectly fine. Most likely Izanagi

@@DieHard1912 kamui

@@QGUU its clearly izanagi, kamui doesnt take away his pain and burns and death from the sounds of those screams

no he said he would be dead if itachi knew hes secrets, im pretty sure itachi would be able to figure them out during battle

"i believe". Well that's you making assumptions, usually when a statement like that is made in a manga it's meant to power scale characters. Don't overthink it.

@@167kinggam “it’s usually meant to power scale characters” yet you probably disregard the fact that Minato stated that 14 year old Obito is a KCM level threat. Sick Itachi is not even close to KCM level and if you wanna talk power scaling Itachi literally failed to kill Obito with one of his strongest abilities even when Obito was off guard. A competitive fight is yellow mask Obito vs Edo Itachi, sick Itachi loses badly to any masked version of Obito going off of the Minato fight and what Minato said about him to Naruto.

@@wesleyholtes7905 Itachi’s half blind, he wouldn’t even perceive Obito moving at full speed. If the 5 Kage got perception blitzed by Obito when he saved Sasuke from onoki and then completely dodged V1 Raikage what makes you think a guy that’s on his deathbed and half blind is gonna perceive him moving at full speed. Itachi’s completely outmatched here due to his health issues so it’s not even fair.

@@norbit6780 itachi even after death almost killed obito LMAO. Also while minato's statement does hold weight, obito getting squashed right after by a rasengan+contract seal broken both in under a minute is very telling. He is a whole level below minato, which is pretty much itachi tier anyway.

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He probably feared Itachi would figure out he’s not actually Madara and ruin the whole plan etc

@@andrewfraser1237 Itachi can't do any shit

itachi dismantles pain very badly so thats not rlly an argument. edo itachi fucks voer an AMPED nagato and none of the paths of pain are even remotely close to nagatos full power. itachi dismantles in 2 seconds tops.

@@ichigo-rz6qk Living itachi doesn’t scale to Pain because of his chakra disease. Edo Itachi is like a cheat code and shouldn’t be factored in when talking about Itachis power scale. That’s a unfair overpowered version of his real self

@@anthoniegriffin you'd have to prove that chakra=strength which you cant. itachi bodies nagato in like 1/10 of the time he was fighting sasuke and only used pretty much the same amount of ms abilities he did against sasuke. so yes we can infact use edo itachi because its not like him and nagato were fighting for 25 chapters. they fought for maybeeee 2 chapters. itachi still speed blitzes and one shots pain unless you can prove him having less chakra = less power which i promise you you can not do.

@@ichigo-rz6qk Lol, Itachi's not beating a dude with near-absolute control over the playing field, & is immune to genjutsu

@@ichigo-rz6qk Hell no. Itachi had to hit Nagato through blinding smoke just to seal him. Nagato with his extended vision , ability to fly with summons, access to all paths of Pain, and his larger chakra reserves would've packed Itachi up with a Chibaku Tensei.

If hes stronger hes stonger.

Based

If it’s juubito then yes he wins 100/100

@@Valkyrae123 well yeah at that point the difference in raw power alone is way too much

Yes, orange mask Obito is superior to akatsuku Itachi in ability, but Itachi is obviously more intelligent and level headed. Itachi has the strength required to kill Obito if the circumstances were right. and is strong enough to kill him. Obito knows he would likely win no dif in most scenarios, but it’s not a guarantee. The pros of attacking Konoha while Itachi was alive were not worth the risk. Take Orochimaru vs Hiruzen or Shikamaru vs Hidan neither of those baffles were won due to superior strength. They were won due to strategy. Obito recognized Itachi was capable of pulling off something similar.

Spit himself out inside Susano then what? Kamui is not as broken as you guys think, Danzo's guards are able to figure it out fast and he cant even absorb Might Guy with Nanchakus. Obito literally didnt do anything significant before getting the rinnegan coz Minato showed him his not as broken as he think he is. But if he did have the sharingan that kakashi has then that would be a different story.

@secondnotion9506 Kamui is absolutely as broken as everyone thinks it is. The amount of things he can do to end the fight once he's inside might surprise you. He can stab him in the back with a rod, remove him from the battlefield, bind him with chains, kiss him with a paper bomb under his tongue, etc. Yeah, he has options.The scary thing about it, is he has all these dodge hacks AND can get a free Izanagi, without losing his Mangekyo powers. Bringing up feat inconsistencies doesn't exactly make his best feats not count. Fighting and surviving one of Minato's strongest attacks, while alive (I know Sage mode is counted as an option for him while alive by some, but in character he never used it), then escaping him is actually quite a feat. And he was still a kid then. He reacted to Kaguya, in her gravity dimension, while near death from having the 10 tails pulled from him and using his Jutsu to hop dimensions with Sakura's support. He banged with KCM2 Naruto. It's easy to say Base-2nd gate Guy should be slower than Itachi in theory, but you can't make that same argument about KCM2 Naruto. Because he should be at least a whole speed tier above KCM1, who Itachi is above, but still relative to. I personally believe both forms exist on either side of the Itachi's Edo, and I can see arguments for a Full powered Itachi being slightly above KCM2 or relative. That's where Obito's scaling should begin, and move up from. As he took a KCM2 rasengan straight to the face. The big thing about Itachi, because I argue for him more than against him, is that he left the show right before the power scaling got really funky. And we never truly saw him at his best. We do know that despite him being the one to finish Nagato, he needed Bee and Naruto's help to counter the planetary devastation as an Edo. So Nagato is arguably above him in raw destructive capacity, but it would be better to assume Itachi might still be the fastest at in that battle. As he is able to perform similarly to, if not better than, EMS Sasuke. Who in all fairness was still adjusting to them even after showing up to the battlefield. But I would still put KCM2 above EMS Sasuke, at least at full power. My main reason for differentiating is that Naruto had run through entire reserves of chakra multiple times before and after Sasuke arrived, and got stronger each time. Say all that to say Obito versus hypothetical full power Itachi is the only interesting fight between them. And I'd still give it to Obito. It's really not that hard to figure Kamui out, but actually being able to counter it is Itachi's problem. His attacks can't touch him, and his defenses can't stop him. So in any situation he has to stall out for at least 5 whole minutes, without getting touched, before he can even think about attacking. If Hebi Sasuke can counter Tsukyomi with just base sharingan, it's not too far a stretch to assume Obito could as well, since he had even more time to plan for it than Sasuke did. Fuck! I am rambling something fierce. Sorry bout that. I don't get to talk about this as much as I used to. Plus I'm higher than giraffe nuts. So hopefully this all made sense, even if it doesn't change your mind. I also hope none of it comes off as patronizing or aggressive. I was kinda just going. 😅

@@jarrodkent716 those things youve mentioned are only applicable to regular shinobis. Itachi is obviously elite and has ms which makes him react even faster than 3 tomoe sharingan`s already insane reaction speed it provides. Obito is literally solid when he emerges from kamui dimension, or entering it and v.v. and that process/procedure's speed is not even close enough to itachi's reaction and overall speed. If he wants to warp itachi to kamui he needs to make contact which makes him very vulnerable to counter attacks just like Guy did. He could easily get tsukoyomi if he does and if he izanagis it, itachi could just easily rinse and repeat but then he wont have another izanagi to use afterwards. Also itachi is one of the most elusive ninjas in naruto, hes mastery and trickiness with the shadow clone is just as good if not better than naruto (pain arc and beyond), of course not as many tho. Obito runs the risk of getting himself figured out if he spams kamui to figure out which one is itach. Also Sasuke was only able to overturn tsukoyomi due to the boost of the curse mark which obviously obito doesnt have. And id argue it was a weak tsukoyomi because he doesn't intend to do serious damage to sasuke. Obito literally has no one shot ko/kill jutsu or anything of that level that can seriuosly harm itachi with or without susano the proof of that is he is only at the level of kakashi when they were inside the kamui. I know hes not exactly there to beat kakashi and his stats are far better than kakashi but that is how vanilla he is without kamui. And even tho rinnegan Obito may have fought kcm naruto, guy and kakashi at the same time thats only coz the jinchurikis too powerful and he wouldnt have that feat if it werent for kabuto. Obito may have the endurance for a long fight but its that kind of fight that itachi doesnt need to tire himself by spamming susano or any high chakra skills coz Obito is not that deadly. On the other hand Itachi is deadly even if needs to conserves chakra and stamina

@secondnotion9506 I'm sorry bro, but you seem to have the wrong idea about a few things. 1. I clearly don't consider him an average ninja putting him up there with KCM2 and EMS Sasuke. But like Sasuke almost was, Itachi can still be killed by being run through. So, those things are indeed applicable to Itachi. 2. Obito only has to be solid to drag others in and out of Kamui, and even if that wasn't the case, he himself has noted that he can adjust the speed of the teleportation in his fight with Minato. 3. I've already explained how outliers are not the rule. Plus, it's not like Guy hadn't prepared a majority of his life to specifically counter sharingan users. Obito is also nerfed by controlling HIS edos that HE summoned after learning the edo tensei from Kabuto. 4. Are you really trying to say that the man that was fooled by the other man into thinking he was someone else for YEARS actually is the craftier of the two? Also, Kakashi saw through Itachi's use of clones and tricked his 30% clone into wasting a tsukyomi. Obito had the whole world convinced he was Madara, even Ohnoki, who had met the real deal. He manipulated the most dangerous Organization in the world and 1 of the 5 major villages from the shadows, again, FOR YEARS. 5. What's a bigger boost? Curse Mark state 2, or having half of your body be constructed of Hashirama cells. Which can be pretty safely assumed to be the reason he has at least a psuedo-EMS. While it's true that you could contribute Sasuke's beating it to Itachi holding back, Obito has incredible genjutsu prowess as well. Plus, the psuedo-EMS is still higher than regular MS and CM2 enhanced Sharingan. So you can still argue that he could still possibly resist despite that. 6. What?! How can Kakashi and Obito be on the same level and Obito have far better stats? That doesn't make sense. At least you were fair enough to mention that Obito wasn't trying to win, but both of those latter statements totally invalidate the notion that he and Kakashi are actually "on the same level." If you want to use this path of argument, you just need to structure it better. That being said, in both encounters between Kakashi and Itachi, Kakashi wasn't ever really that outmatched against Itachi's regular Sharingan either. And you can also make an Itachi holding back argument as well, so using Kakashi to scale either against each other is kind of moot. Even when MS Sasuke almost killed Kakashi with Susanoo, he was still able to square off with him in taijutsu. So maybe we could just say that Kakashi and Guy can hold their own against stronger opponents with their taijutsu. I'd say it's pretty consistent throughout the show to be the case. 7. Saying Obito has no wincon is ridiculous. Getting trapped in the Kamui dimension is a clear win path for Obito unless you can dimension hop. Itachi was even tricked by a Jutsu that Obito has used himself, which is Headhunter jutsu. This makes it very easy to imagine Itachi getting pulled into Kamui from underground. Also, it's not like Itachi just can not get stabbed either. Gaara proved that they can be interacted with inside their Susanoo when he snatched Madara out of his. So you can lie to me all you want to on this subject, but stop lying to yourself. 8. KCM2 Naruto alone is worth that whole team many times over, and Obito was able to react to him multiple times and tank a rasengan from him straight to the face. 9. Obito after freshly obtaining MS, used wood style to one shot an Anbu team that was put together to escort a tailed beast. He's plenty deadly. Again, stop lying to yourself. 10. I'm not explaining Naruto to you anymore. You should reread their fights and get a hold of the novels, if you haven't already. Itachi's, in particular, gives you a good understanding of how Itachi sees himself. He almost lost a 2 v 1 with the 3-tails Jinchuuriki when he was probably closer to his prime than any other, given his time in the Akatsuki was only around 6-7 years based on Sasuke's age the night of the massacre, and lost his partner. Although, on that side note, it is still likely to be earlier in that career given dialog between him and his first partner. But we also know that Itachi had already started going blind sometime between his 3rd and 5th year. There are other examples to show that Itachi just isn't that cracked outside of his mangekyo abilities. Tbh, base sharingan to base sharingan, I'm still pretty convinced Obito would slam him on his neck. At worst, medium difficulty. 11. If I had to give anything to Itachi, to end somewhere in the middle, I do honestly think he had more potential than Obito had he not succumbed to illness specifically. There's an alternate timeline where he and Sasuke swap eyed, and he truly hits the top tiers of power. Maybe even above Madara, but I wouldn't be as comfortable pushing that one. Anyways, take it easy.

@@jarrodkent716 1. Really now? But you still think those cheap tricks would work on the level of itachi, now thats very contradicting. Youre assuming that kamui is as fast as body flicker when clearly its not. 2. Theres an upper limit to kamui's teleportation speed, as madara was able to stop him from entering kamui. And clearly that limit is not fast enough to even people like base Guy made him choose to be intangible instead of being able to teleport. 3. Bro it doesnt matter coz the boost is way stronger than the nerf, Rinnegan plus hashi cells. Its just that he hits the wall on the limitations of kamui coz im telling you its not as broken as you think. 4. What does that have to do with the fight? The name Madara made people afraid and Madara's plan has a lot more to do with that, than Obito. But yes, itachi is craftier coz he trapped him with the amaterasu on Sasuke and there many other instances. The same can be applied with his usage of the shadow clone getting sasuke and many other people off gaurd that a clone is suddenly present in an instant mid fight. 5. Bro i dont deny that hc is a boost but cursed mark transformation is a form of sage mode which is entirely a bigger boost than just having hashirama cells. 6. I did say obito had better stats, ready my previous comment better. What im getting at is that because Obito doesnt have a killer move it made kakashi fight him like theyre equals. All that buff, stamina and chakra but no jutsu to focus it all. Imagine if he had something like rasengan then hed whoop kakashi ez. Its the same sit with naruto versus kakuzu, naruto at that point is not stronger than kakuzu but coz he has a finisher move, he beats kakuzu. 7. Im not making any lies, kamui is just not gonna work on someone like itachi and ive told you why. 8. Naruto has accessed kcm2 but he was on kcm1 when that rasengan hit and he also had clone which means his power is far lesser than if was in kcm2 as you wrongly mentioned. 9. Lol that was only coz he was fused to guruguru again stop lying to yourself. 10. Novels have questionable connection to the canon anyway, even the authors say that these are just spin offs and the only true conan is original source material. And although it made it to the anime it had a very loose adaptation coz Itachi doesnt even know he had amaterasu at this point and was surprised that it was a mangekyo power. Also if kakashi with one sharingan can stand toe to toe with Obito in taijutsu, then what more for someone who has two. Itachi was way better than sasuke in taijutsu and did not take damage from bee when he was even unarmed. Bee whos able to anticipate minatos attack 11. Obito is only OP because of the HC hed never be able spam kamui/intangibility without it

The fact that Kakashi trained under Minato completely shuts this argument down in favor of Kakashi. Do you see your logic here?

​@@noudleboy whats your point?

@@mrwillard95 his point is just because ur trainer was strong doesnt mean u are strong; but in ur case u are right lol. being trained by madara uchiha himself turned obito into a top tier shinobi lol rinnegan obito in the war arc pre juubi is kcm minato to edo madara level

@@mrwillard95 not to mention madara put all his trust in obito so he literally gave him everything, half a body of hashirama cells, instant regeneration, infinite ms, wood release, even helped him awaken his mangekyo he planned that all out which is crazy. subconciously gave him a curse of hatred uchiha amp too and trained him. put his will in black zetsu then had black zetsu teach obito everything lol kid obito was weak asf a literal joke then a year later he became the masked man controlled the kyubi awakened the mangekyo sharingan and kamui even went toe to toe with minato at 13-14

@@jackdougglins1862 Thank you this is what I was trying to say

I mean bro I hadda be honest lmfao

@@sixfromtokyo bro you misinterpreted Obito’s statement about him dying to itachi. Obito meant that if Itachi had full intel on his abilities he would’ve died to his trap as he says “ if he knew my secrets I would be dead right now” right after the amateratsu trap, which implies that if Itachi had full intel on his powers he would’ve formulated a trap to counter Izanagi or kamui. In no way is Obito implying that he would die in a real 1v1 fight against Itachi. This interpretation makes way more sense as you yourself said that you don’t even know how Itachi would win the fight lmfao. Itachi can’t do anything to Obito, he doesn’t have the speed or any space time techniques to counter Kamui so he gets bodied.

@@norbit6780 Don't tell me I misinterpreted a statement based on the way you interpreted it. I think it's fairly probable with the surrounding context about the pact w/ Itachi and other things I mentioned that my interpretation is the correct one if you don't feel that way fine have your interpretation but don't tell me I misinterpreted it.

@@sixfromtokyo I’m saying you misinterpreted it because you yourself don’t even know how Itachi wins the fight lmfao which is why the interpretation that I just gave you makes more sense. Obito kept the pact so Itachi could keep working for the Akautski, if Obito broke the pact by invading konoha then he would’ve lost a valuable asset to the team. Obito has pain and the whole Akautski backing him, if Itachi’s power is what prevented him from invading konoha that makes no sense, he could’ve just jumped his ass with Kisame and Pain and there’s no way Itachi is winning that fight.

@@norbit6780 The method by which the conclusion is reached is unimportant to how much sense the conclusion makes given the other evidence to support it. I was typing out an example for this but it was just way too long if you want to talk about the shit more you can join my discord discord.gg/era6 but I hope you can gather what I meant just from the statement lol i'm too tired to type atm.

I think that statement is very contextual (The Pain One) so what I think Pain is implying is that if he had all 6 bodies out when Jiraiya launched the genjutsu he would've lost not that Jiraiya is directly stronger than him. I basically think Pain (pre knowledge of the genjutsu) would lose then Pain (post knowledge of it) would never let Jiraiya get it off.

​@@sixfromtokyo the mental gymnastics

@@marzman4 there is no mental gymnastics in that wtf

@@marzman4 ur average naruto fan that can’t comprehend complex arguments and label it mental gymnastics 😭

@@marzman4 its called context

Susanoo isn't irrelevant. His Shield will block any attack but the ones obito phases, and his sword will seal obito. But obito can still just teleport into the Susanoo.

@@SeviathTheHumanDrago You just debunked your own claims

@@George-zc6dj I didn't debunk anything. I provided my own counterarguement because I can see both sides of the arguement since I'm not biased. The susanoo is still a viable means of attack and defense against obito. He can still like move around and stuff while in it, duh big red truck, it doesnt lower itachis mobility. So obito having to constantly teleport into his barrier would be a viable tactic to keep him at bay and itachi is smart enough to exploit that and know that as well. I'm really concerned about people's critical thinking skills. Obito isn't just going to teleport into the susanoo and itachi go: "Well shucks guess I can't beat him hyuck hyuck hycukc I give up." Lmfao

@@SeviathTheHumanDrago I get that, im just questioning whether those points are even valid at all, i think your counterarguments serve as good debunks, i wasnt trying to come off like a smartass or anything Personally i dont think he would even require teleporting inside the susano. obito could have a kunai in his hand, sink through the ground, sink up right behind itachi and stab him, and itachi wouldnt sense/realise him until the very last minute since his intangibility means he cannot be sensed, as we have seen earlier in the series against the konona 8. I really dont see itachi using susano at all in this fight unless obito just starts going all out with high powered attacks

@@George-zc6dj I took a theoretical debate course in high school. I might get a little passionate about proper debating. Technically I defeated my own arguement yes, but I would still like to provide the counterpoint as it's not simply a write off like I got the suggestion from you "irrelevant" comment.

I mean healthy DMS Obito is also another hypothetical

I love the "Prime Itachi" or "Healthy Itachi" reachers too when you counter with the fact we got an Obito with 1 of his eyes throughout the whole series. Give Obito Kamui, both his Magekyo and a Susano and Itachi gets giga stomped. Theres a reason Obtio was nerfed the whole series, Shippuden wouldn't have happened at all Obtio at 14 would have went to the Village, captured the Nine Tails and killed everyone including Itachi, series over.

@XDusk557 He wouldn't have needed them should he have had both of his mangekyo, no one would ever touch him. The only reason he was pushed at all against Naruto, Guy and Kakashi was Kakashi having his second eye. Him losing access to kamui due to being a jinjuriki is a whole different debate that also was a nerf that shouldn't have happened. The point is, they were both done for one reason. He would literally be unstoppable and untouchable without the nerfs. There would be no series, he would body the verse from hacks.

And to add onto it even a bit further, but this would be more speculation at this point: would be how long do you think Madara had Hashirma cells before his Rinnegan awakened? 30-40 years? Maybe more, it's not quite apparent at how old he was when he died. Either way, the point I'm trying to arrive at is Obito also had Hashirama cells, a significant amount more in fact which you could potentially argue would increase the speed of awakening. Theres a reason why he never got his OWN awakened Rinnegan, he would body the verse from hacks.

People say the same thing with DMS Obito vs Juubidara/Kaguya etc it’s a cool hypothetical since it’s something that is clearly a handicap to the character.

He brought up Kamui and Izanagi, so maybe 50% cap

Sure, in the same way that saying "2+2 might equal 4, or might equal 12" is 50% cap lol@@JustANiggaWithARocketLaucher

Straight from swags mouth 🤣

That would blow his cover as the nobody goofy Tobi. He couldn't make that order.

Yep, this is basically my interpretation too. Let's be honest, that statement is vague and is meant to leave things up for interpretation. To me it's simply a case of having Itachi as an ally is much more useful to the Akatsuki than to make an enemy of him. They collect the Jinchuuriki faster with him on the team. Obito would eventually betray him, but he might as well wait until they had the first 8 Beasts. You would have to convince me there's a significant downside to maintaining alliance with Itachi in the Akatsuki for me to interpret this any other way.

@@cloudj232 he could just tell pain to tell them

@@derickjones9205 Dont you think Pain would want to know why? Which can lead to terrible consequences like why would you willingly allow a traitor in the organisation? Pain can revolt after learning those informations.

I don't think that Obito was a prodigy. Considering all the alterations made to his body and who trained him, plus his MS ability makes him seem as if. He can't handle two Rinnegans and went berserk when he had an incomplete Juubi.

Obito is a prodigy?😭😭😭😭😭

@@uspahle yes an uchiha that was recognized by madara and was able to fight on par with an already stated prodigy kakashi as a child once he unlocked his sharingan and could say he outperformed kakashi in that moment saving rin. His MS is completely broken which isn’t something you can choose you are just born with it or inherit it in a way like sasuke did with Amaterasu. He was definitely a prodigy like naruto but didn’t have much of a support system and ended up in the wrong hands.

@@jermainep9393 didn’t see this but my comment above is my response^ plus not many people can handle 2 rinnegan. You’d have to have an absurd reserve of chakra and control over it like an uzumaki which were rare and known to have exceptional chakra reserves. There’s probably only a handful of people who can handle one let alone 2 rinnegan and actually use it

@@mcclainwesleywm fight on par? Kid got clapped everytime.

Obito has inferior everything to itachi except physical durability because hashirama cells make up half his body

Itachi use the Izanami and it's GG

⁠@@bobjohnson1633Ninjutsu- obito has fire style that’s equal to Madara both of their fire style was even bigger than 10 tails, he also can use defensive barrier that was strong enough to repel and burn the 8 tails, woodstyle that could subdue kcm2 naruto, and could fire out giant shuriken that cut off 8 tails tail. Taijutsu- kakashi vs obito shows superior taijutsu to anything itachi has shown, plus obito is physically stronger, suigetsu swung at him with one of the legendary swords and obito casually blocked it with his bare hand, on top of this obito has a healing factor. Chakra- obito easily Stamina- obito easily Genjutsu- this is the only one that’s arguable they’re relative here. Unlike itachi who’s mangekyo ability is genjutsu based obitos regular genjutsu is compared to shisuis koto when obito was shown to be able to control yagura. So no obito is basically better than itachi at everything

If Itachi use the Izanami Obito wouldn't be able to do anything

​@@andreleandro6931Izanami requires time and have to be prepared before a fight,it's not an instant ability, Obito isn't dumb to fall for it because he have knowledge about forbidden tehnicues including izanami

@@_Ghost_HD_ no, Itachi used the Izanami against Kabuto kinda at the beggining of the fight, so he would do the same against Obito, and once he create a loop of happenins, the Izanami it's finished and GG

Obito is trash ngl his jutsu can be countered and he doesnt use other jutsu ever

@@jackschwanke603 There are many other jutsus,and tell me how can Itachi counter kamui,he have nothing like FTG, nor other eye nor some jutsu that keeps bombarding for 5 straight minutes

Orange mask Obito vs hokage Minato is the only interesting debate for me

@@gameuniverse5973 agreed

@@gameuniverse5973 Besudes an izanagi blindside attack or genjutsu i think it goes the same way

Juubito > kcm minato > white mask obito > hokage minato > orange mask obito > jonin minato > yellow mask obito > kid minato > kid obito This would be my list of every obito vs minato forms

@@named4957 W

That was all a bluff bro…

@Jon Miller why would he bluff about the rest but tell the truth about that itachi clearly wasnt scared of obito at 13-14 so why would he be scared at 20…

@Mugen W!

The fact that Obito said that Itachi would literally kill him says it all.

@@MajorTom4 he never said that once lol itachitards will literally lie about anything

The issue I have with Obito saying that "had Itachi known all my abilities I would of been dead" is Obito was saying it based on Itachi trap when hes off gaurd. I dint think hes saying it in a fight. We know that when characters are off gaurd they can be killed by lesser oppoenets, like Madara and black zetsu. In an actual fight Obito qouldnt be off Gaurd. We do see him react to things way faster and even if it did hit him, he can teleport it off it, like what he did with conan when she stuck paper bombs in him.

How is Obito stronger tho? Coz i see it i chakra only but Kamui isn't as OP as most people think

​@@secondnotion9506exactly, it's scary of how the people doesn't count the Izanami as a PERFECT way to beat Obito

​@@andreleandro6931 can't do a shit

​@@secondnotion9506he is stronger

Follow along-able made me laugh you know damn well that is not a phrase lmfao but yea ik wym preciate the feedback

Facts these People are as Delusional as people who think Jiraiya beats Itachi

​@@quazargamer839correct

itachi dismantles every path of pain before they can react. debate me on it

@@ichigo-rz6qk not trying to debate, you have your opinion I have mine.

@@TTD97 thats perfectly fine im just letting you know that ur wrong. if itachi can casually dismantle nagato who scales so much further above pain then hes just gonna wipe his ass with pain. just so you know the argument ^.

Itachi vs Nagato sounds more a fight still doable with high diff when lucky (everything goes perfectly). Pain is 6 bodies to worried at once with the ability to revives bodies that felt on the ground if the one Pain with the king of hell power is not taken out quickly. It looks like a lot to handle for Itachi.

@@fellowkrieger457 itachi speed blitzes and negs them all low diff. itachi>>>nagato as we see them fight and nagato>>any path of pain. so itachi>>nagato>>pain. and itachi no diffed nagato so imagine how badly hes gonna fuck up pain.

Facts, notice how no Itachi fanboy can come up with how Itachi would overcome Kamui lmao they’re all relying on a few statements that can be interpreted in a lot of ways.

Kamui doesnt matter. For every abilitie Itachi or Obito has, the other has one as broken. It is a fight that would be determined by the focus both of them have during the fight and whether or not one lets his guard down

@@norbit6780 Minato and even Naruto and Guy learned how to fight kamui in pretty little time. A simple clone getting sucked through it would give enough information to Itachi. Just saying that there are ways around it and either one could win the fight

@@jhulianvincentutermohlen287 minato has flying rajin and kakashi had his other sharingan so thats not a very good example

@@von1274 it is. They are high level ninja just like Itachi. Who is in fact even superior to them... a crow or a clone getting trapped by Kamui could be enough information for Itachi to get a plan going. Im not saying he necesarily wins, just that he has more than enough means to do it. (Obito does too)

Lol Pein would poop on kisame.

No kisame cant cut almighty push and shark bomb would not be able to eat chibaku tensei. Chibaku tensei sucks in normal rocks so no. Kisame cant put them under water since pain would just absorb it.

So because he makes one stupid mistake this whole video is in the bin now XD

Yeah, please Six read only the part of the manga I like to side with please. Cause I'm unbiased.

@@fellowkrieger457 ah yes, I only want itachi to lose because I am an itachi hater.

@@fellowkrieger457 obito was saying that itachi would have killed him in that specific instance had he know obito’s secrets. Not that he would win in a face to face battle. Obito could just phase out of existence until itachi dies from exhaustion.

@@javierperez8458 Well if he thinks Itachi can kill hill potentially, then he thinks he can loose to him. I mean dying sounds like loosing in a fight. I'm not saying Itachi claps him, just that he is a threat that potentially can win.

Bro what Itachi gets mad respect and Obito barely gets any

That wasn't itachi's ultimate attempt so much as it was a fail-safe in the event Sasuke came into contact with Obito, or someone with a sharingan. It was just a surprise attack Amaterasu, not something I think anyone would consider to be Itschi's ultimate move. I'm not claiming Itachi would necessarily beat Obito st this point because I do believe Obito st this point is presented to be thr stronger character narratively, but Itachi's intelligence could potentially net him a win under the right circumstances

Is the novel canon though? it blatantly contradicts events in the manga, so idk

itachi was wrong even though kishimoto himself wrote that line. Sure, we should all believe what a random fan on YT comments says.

@@167kinggam Kishi never wrote Itachi Shinden you absolute fool 🤣

@@167kinggam You say that as if Kishimoto didn't also write Obito surviving Itachi's attempt on his life with relative ease.

debate me on itachi vs pain. itachi one shot blitzes every path low diff.

@@ichigo-rz6qk Pain swarms Itachi with six paths, Itachi uses Amaterasu with fire style and shuriken to fend off of animal summons and the rockets and missiles and shit, but his justu gets absorbed and deva path/asura path close in. Itachi then insta pulls out Susano with sword and goes to swing but pain pulls him out of the Susano and while Asura tanks the blade, cuz I assume his totsuka blade can’t be absorbed so he kills one path. But he’s pulled into the other 4 paths and they merc him, medium difficulty. Pains wombo bombo combo took out Jiraya, Kakashi, SAGE MODE NARUTO like I don’t see what Itachi is gonna do if he gets pulled out of his Susano into the other paths, animal paths are too much pressure for him to blitz, Pain can tank the totsuka blade despite not being able to absorb it but does permanently lose a path, and Itachi is swarmed and murdered. Itachi cannot blitz six people at once, only reason he hit Nagato was because Nagato didn’t wanna fight, Kabuto had to control him. Nagato was nerfed as shit. But my point still stands against the six paths Pain wouldn’t even need to use Chibaku Tensei, and if he did that’s another way he wins cuz Itachi can’t destroy it himself. If pain starts with that it’s also GG clap

@@late-nightlivestreams7105 a weakeneed itachi stomps an amped nagato (had the 8 tails chakra) who stomped kcm1 naruto and killer bee at the same time.(who scales to kcm1 naruto aswell) the strongest path of pain was only on par with sage mode naruto not to even mention 2 kcm level fighters at the same time. + none of the paths of pain at all scale to nagato strength or speed wise so if itachi is blitz fucking nagato hes casually wiping his ass with the paths of pain.

@@late-nightlivestreams7105 also no offense but im not reading ur fucking novel when i could just tell you why itachi dismantles pain.

@@ichigo-rz6qk itachi didn’t stomp, it was a 1v3. And Nagato wasn’t even trying Kabuto had to make him do Justu for him. You can’t scale shit off that fight. Except it took 3 of them to get out of chibaku tensei… nagato only got 8 tails chakra cuz Bee hit him, if Nagato was on the offensive he would just take what little chakra itachi had. Kabuto says himself Nagato is his second strongest summon… But back to the six paths of pain, yeah idk I don’t feel like arguing with an Itachi fanboy who thinks itachi is god. Itachi is overrated as living fuck. But if you think Itachi just is so fast and so strong he just blitz six dead people at the same time with no effective genjutsu to use, powerful animal summons everywhere, rockets, missiles, soul sucking bullshit, shinra tensei, chubaku, then sure. Anyone who has a grounded sense of power scaling knows that’s jacking Itachi off like BJ territory lmao but hey if you think so then that’s fine. Itachi is strong but. I think he gets clapped and Hes overrated as fuck

@3rd Way y’all downplay sasuke heavy. He def wouldn’t get one shotted at full fucking chakra and not fatigued at all lmao

Lol I mean he 100% hated his brother and wanted him dead. That’s a big difference from someone he just didn’t like.

Its pretty obvious Obito has always had spare Sharingan hidden to act as Sacrifice for Izanagi.. Later on we seen inside Obito Hideout that he amassed Dozens and Dozens of Sharingan as spares probably from Uchiha Massacre.

@Ghost Phoenix Thank you excellent answer, its weird because their elite ninja with top tier awareness so im like did he see it coming or did it just do it for him ? im gonna rewatch some fights to see if hes ever surprised he didn't touch someone before his kamui activates

if you have discord i can send you the page that literally says as long as he has his MS on his kamui is automatic. i cant be bothered to go get a link to wher eits said but i can send you the page via discord since i have it in my files.

Itachi uses his crows to track and they don't speak so him* having that is a given

Itachi use the Izanami and it's GG

@@andreleandro6931 Obito use kamui earlier and it's GG

@@user-mm7pb5si6j Obito wouldn't even realize he was in the Izanami, the same way Kabuto didn't realize, so yeah, the Kamui would be useless

@@andreleandro6931 to set up Izanami for Kabuto Itachi needed Sasuke by his side and even then manage to get killed. And maybe it will be big news for you, but Kabuto didn't have kamui, otherwise Itachi would got destroyed in first minute after first blindspot attack

Didn't Itachi resist Obitos genjutsu as a kid?

Wasnt Obito controlling the 3 tails with genjutsu for almost a decade and the same Jinchuriki that killed Itachi’s fodder akatsuki teammate and made itachi retreat as well?? Yea definitely that guy😂😂

Unstable juubito couldn't infuse both yin and yang chakra into them so they didn't have the destructive capabilities they have later on which is why hiruzen regenerates from unstable jubitos tso while minato couldn't regenerate his arm back from Madaras tso

Damn i didn't know that. Thanks for clearing that up 👌

Facts

Itachi also died thinking obito is madara

Because Obito has the knowledge of the Shinobi world and the Uchiha clan that Madara has. On top of that he claims to be Madara and has MS. So the logic assumption is to say that he is Madara indeed.

@@fellowkrieger457 no bro a 14 year old making the fastest strongest ninja of his era who used to be his TEACHER think he was a lengend based off how he slipped in the village undetected , controlled kurama with his sharingan , and how he almost bfr’d him and was relative in a fight speed and skills

@@fellowkrieger457 he never said that he was Madara to Minato, Minato only assumed that because he showed knowledge and skills potentially on the lvl of Madara's

Edo Nagato Imo

Sage Kabuto wtf he heavily counters Nagato sage Kabuto vs the three sannin is better

@@gameuniverse5973 how does he counter? 🤨

@@agelessscroll1595 white rage cancels out the Rinnegan prowess and the sound genjustu just makes it gg it literally the two biggest things that led too pain downfall in fights with even tho Nagato is stronger than pain his Rinnegan is technically weaker by being a fake Rinnegan while pain has the real one

@@gameuniverse5973 wait so pain has the rinnegan but Nagato has the fake one :?

Nah bro, Obito dont need to be afraid of itachi or say yes and amen to pre massacre itachi. Obito was 14 when he forced Minato, the flying rayjin, 4th Hokage to sacrifice him and kushina. They were slapping hands man. Also he put the WHOLE Kurama, ( Naruto and Minato have half of it each) under his genjutsu....with his B A S I C Sharingan bro....Obito is definetely above Itachi BUT Itachi with his genius mind and prep time could corner obito pretty good it would be an absolutely badass uchicha fight

I think so. Both have outstanding powers and habilities. For me this is a fight where the better planing and focus in the fight would win it. Obito became a legend, did not even have a problem to fill Madaras shoes and expand his legacy. And Itachi was on his way to become the best shinobi of all time, and even though we dont get to see him fight a worthy oponent (which is itself a statement) by his filosophy he got further than anyone else.

@@odin44 “i would be dead by now”

Speed feats are a bit weird in the war, he is as fast as KCM Naruto. And somehow also base Guy with nunchakus, who should be much slower than Naruto to this point. It's weird.

W take the correct one at that.

Bro I physically cannot talk much louder than this and if I audio boost my voice it sounds distorted and trash

Orange mask Obito woops Edo itachi still

​@@gameuniverse5973 no he doesn't lol obito struggles with kakashi. itachi washes kakashi everytime they fight.

@@deshardmyles86 Obito threw the Kakashi fight on purpose to get the seal that was on him removed what are you talking about

@@riotowa Nope obito and kakashi have even stats meaning healthy itachi > both of them in base stats

@@ajayimoses2495 where are the even stats?

Very true but based on anytime We see Obito bring up Itachi in the manga, anime, and even the movie Obito was pretty damn worried about genjutsu. Itachi would realize ninjutsu and taijutsu would not work. So he’s pretty confidently beating Obito with Genjutsu.

He is great. And the best narrative point of Shippuden after Pain. Until he became unmasked. Then he became half cringe.

Prove that

@@Rck-vert Sasuke escapes paralysis with Susano, Madara escapes a whole sand mosoleum with susano..you can’t trap a susano user😂

well, the people I collabe with half also been doing this for half a decade maybe longer & I said Obito beats Itachi 2/3 times calm down lol

Lol six is on the come up. I remember him at like 2k subs last yr

Hashirama cells

Itachi fans can argue that he can beat Hagaromo.

Tbf Obito fans are toxic too. They hype up OM Obito speed with panels they want, discarding the others in which he is not that fast. They don't want to see all the times Obito got hurt against Jonin level or mid Akastuki level opponents. They want to hype up Mokuton from OM Obito, even if his best feats are there with Guru Guru or ten tails amp. Some also are like "yeah he beat Minato by the age of 14 years old" even if he got absolutely demolished by Minato. Obito fanbase is weird too.

@@fellowkrieger457 no idiot most people downplay Obito also sick itachi was hurt by shurikens I'd you want too use Obito getting hurt by ten million paper bombs or a super broken beetles

@@fellowkrieger457 because the times he got hurt by mid level Akautski opponents and jonin are explainable. I assume you’re talking about fuu and torune? Obito wasn’t even close to taking that fight seriously and he still disposed of them in like 20 seconds, the reason why he cut his arm off is because his arm got infected by touching Torune as his body was encased with poisonous bugs, these are the same bugs that messed up Shisui in the novels and it would definitely affect Itachi if he touched them. The Konan fight has already been debunked multiple times so I’m not even gonna bother but in short Obito wasn’t trying as he literally states himself “I didn’t take you seriously enough” after he sucked in the paper bombs, also 600 Billion Paper bombs that Konan had in her possession against Obito would literally killl anyone in the Akautski and mostly everyone in the series apart from Six paths users.

@@norbit6780 i like how they mentioned that stuff but don't mentioned how sick itachi was hurt by a large shuriken

Yellow mask Obito vs sick itachi might be a good debate not gonna lie

Yeah, use emojis, best way to make a solid point.

@@fellowkrieger457 He werent tryna make a point. Its called an opinion.

@@surraka9153 No he brags out saying it's a stomp. The emoji is there to implies it's not even a debate. This is not an opinion, this is just saying that other opinions are to cry about.

@@gameuniverse5973 there's no gage on itachi's power, nor was he ever shown actually going all out, his best feat come off him not trying to kill kabuto, with the argument of them being relative, obito on the other hand, at 14 was fighting hokage minato, and there's an argument for them being relative, idk why this is even a debate, in the itachi novels, obito is always narratively portrayed stronger, and in the naruto story

Itachi set Amaterasu in sasuke’s eye to protect him from obito, the reason itachi was a spy is because he could find out what they were doing. There’s is no chance that he 1v1’s every member of the akatsuki without them getting suspicious or killing him lmao. But yes he’s overhyped by most people but a lot of people still undervalue him too. He scales SLIGHTLY below obito in the series as a whole imo.

@@digita1camo270 slightly?? Saying he scales slightly below obito is like saying Obito

@@digita1camo270 how does he scale slightly below? What does sick Itachi do that scales him near Obito level? 14 year old Obito is stated to be a KCM level threat by Minato, an Itachi who has no sickness or blindness matched a KCM Naruto that was holding back and asking questions. Sick Itachi would scale massively below that so he’s not even close to Obito’s level lol.

@@norbit6780 using Itachis fight with Sasuke to scale him is like using Obitos fight with Kakashi to scale him. They aren’t applicable. You gotta use Edo feats to scale sick Itachi. We never see KCM 1 Naruto fight OM Obito (who Minato is referring to) we only see him fight a Rinnegan Obito who canonly has greater physical stats. KCM 1 Naruto , Itachi and OM Obito are relative to me and makes sense narratively.

@@ugouchiha4147 “Om Obito who Minato is referring to” how would Minato possibly know that Obito got stronger and wasn’t a little child when he fought him? He’s basing Obito’s power off of the confrontation he had with YELLOW MASK OBITO, why would he think that OM Obito is any different to Yellow mask Obito? He doesn’t even know what Orange mask Obito is even capable of, this OM Obito has 17 years of more experience, has an extra sharingan and has access to Izanagi spam, please tell me how Minato would know all of these things?

Somebody with actual Common sense thank god

Itachi planned for that. Clones, substitutes, and attacks you don't see beats sharingan.