Yes, you could say so.

Should be an easy Spit win assuming the pilot uses vertical tactics instead of turn fighting as they might try with German fighters.

Well, at least the Fiat CR42 could out-turn the Spifire! (And the Hurricane.) So if the British pilot yanked hard on his control column and went into a tight turn, bleeding off a lot of speed (an evasive tactic which would always work against a Me 109), he might find himself a sitting duck with that CR42 still right on his tail...

@@honkhonkler7732 : Yes, but in November 1940 the RAF had a lot of inexperienced pilots, who were replacements for heavy losses in the Battle...

@@timonsolus Wrong Britain had it's well rounded batch of Pilots who by this stage were well trained as taking part in both the battle of France and Britain by this stage.

I agree, thank you for commenting!

Bravery or fascist stupidity?

Yes, but this was, I think, Mussolini's one and only attempt to show Hitler that he could 'do his bit'. Strategically, it acheived absolutely nothing resulting in loss of life that may otherwise have been avoided!

Sooo a los italianos se le puede pintar un avión camuflado en tonos verdes en minas el cielos es celeste o gris jajajaj

In all three military disciplines, the Italians actually showed real bravery but were often let down by incompetent leadership or subpar equipment , be it tanks, aircraft, or ships, although their submarine division was punching above its weight. As a result the Italian forces in WW2 are often ridiculed, just like the French, even though the latter fought fierce battles against the superior tactics the Germans employed, actually sacrificing many to allow the British retreat from Dunkirk to become a "success".

Italian pilots were asked to do way too much by their leadership and I agree, they deserve respect.

@@showtime112 Exactly this. Italian armed forces were not cowards..They were lead by idiots who couldn`t organise a piss up in a brewery.

@@showtime112 They were fighting for fascism and terror bombing civilians. Brave certainly, and I respect that they were following orders, but this is bordering on veneration. Be careful with that.

What about the RAF "terror flieger"? They killed a few innocent civilians that never put Hitler in power.

Bologni. The missions were all a big failure. Minimum damage and lost most of the airplanes. And many pilots claimed failures and turned back for nothing. See at beginning most of the best planes "turned back "because of the weather". Paper Tigers..

Thank you very much for providing info!

Having great "optionals" but missing the bigger picture (for instance armament and engines) is a tradition of our military procurement.

@@pierluigiadreani2159 True, or at least until the Fiat G.55 and Macchi C.202/C.205 were developed, although they were dependent on imported Daimler Benz DB.601/605 engines.

Viva Italia!

Meccano is the correct name.

Thank you for sharing. I envy you for that experience :)

You lucky bastard. I am telling on you!

Thank you for sharing the story!

You can see the other first, you can fly higher than the other. If you fly a CR-42 and you're looking at Hurricanes or Spitfires or, worse, against Mustangs, just scoot off and hope they haven't spotted you.

I appreciate your support. Yes, monoplane pilots still had to be careful when entering dogfights with biplanes.

True enough. Speaking as a British person, I have never struggled with them. Although the etymology is weird, there is also an indecipherable logic to British place names which arises from the evolution of the English language which is only partly phonetic. For a foreigner who really wants to get them right I would suggest that just learning them one by one.

*Happisburgh

Not just place names. Featherstonehaugh is pronounced Fanshaw.

You might be right about never getting used to it 😁

@@KABModels How did that get by me? Age surely creepeth up!

Thank you for the comment! I don't think anyone will ever find logical explanation for some of language 'rules'. English is not exactly the only such language but it tends to be a little more confusing than your average language 😁

Arse kisser lol

@@showtime112 'Cough', 'though', rough', through' are examples of how 'ough' is pronounced differently according to convention. Now try 'Slough' ... 😂😂

No, it is NOT just fine. It is wrong. Stand in the corner with your underpants on your head and contemplate the error of your ways.

Experiences with it?😂​@@thisisnumber0

It's actually very similar to the German spring offensive camo. Likely took cues from their axis ally. Not all that's surprising seeing as it was intended for the Mediterranean. But attractive nonetheless.

It's pretty original, that's for sure.

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Well, if you watch the first part, it becomes clear 😁

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@@showtime112 Just another foreigner hating the British. The title is designed to attract like-minded souls.

@@photoisca7386 No pudding for you! Not until you eat your meat!

@@photoisca7386 What's wrong? Not enough Tea?

Thank you for watching and appreciating the video! I'm sure it was quite 'exciting' for the biplane pilots 😁

I'm happy you liked it, thank you!

Thank you! Watch the first part as well, the initial part of their operations is described as well.

It's very nice to hear, thank you!

Thank you very much for the feedback!

And the stupidity of their leader...

Nor their stupidity1

As well as the Soviets on the Eastern Front in the early years with their Polikarpov I-15 and PO-2 "bomber".

Also in Greece and Malta.

Read the biography of the South African RAF ace, Pat Pattle.

I believe some who flew both biplanes reckoned the CR42 had an edge over its British rival.

@@Heylanda-fb9xb You mean the I-153, I think. The I-15 was used in the Spanish Civil War.

Good point, offensive action always ties down enemy resources.

Thank you for the positive comment! G.55 would be an interesting story for sure. I have to check what kind of an info is available on it.

Thank you for sharing!

Thank you! The Dutch aviation against Luftwaffe is on my 'to do' list. I believe we have the airplanes used, I just need to see what kind of details are available.

@@showtime112 that is truly great to hear. If you need any help with the research or things like prenounciations please let me know.

Not sure but I think they were not based in the same airfield so weather might have been better for the CR.42s and the bombers.

Germans thought " Fuck this" not being shot down on Harwich.

Not true, especially for those with double digit numbers and even some with triple digit. For example, 111 Squadron was always known as "Treble one" and 29 Squadron was referred to as "Twenty Nine" (Odd fact, their squadron markings are XXX, which is 30 in roman numerals).

41 Sqn and 54 Sqn are said as Forty One and Fifty Four so not always the case. There are variations.

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Thank you for watching and for providing a positive feedback! Yes, this story is somewhat overlooked.

I'm glad you appreciate it!

An old Latin proverb? 😁

@@showtime112 An irish one. Mallone from the Untouchables.

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Yet do bring a biplane to a battleship fight...

@@rainerbehrendt9330 Also referring to italians

Thank you very much for the financial support! These videos are a full time effort. This one was slightly more complicated as there were many small and rather specific scenes to do.

Agreed. A similar thing happened to Italian Tornado mission in Operation Desert Storm. The support was cancelled but nobody told them and one Tornado was shot down.

Thanks, details are very important in these stories (when you can find them).

Thank you for the feedback, third part coming out this Saturday.

Thank you for watching and commenting!

Thank you very much for watching!

It is generally considered a big failure. As for your Korea suggestion, yes I've been wanting to cover some of that stuff for a while.

The only branch of Regia Aeronautica that was successful in their missions was their torpedo bomber team utilizing SM.79 aircraft. Otherwise, they are remembered in the history book as a joke.

I appreciate your feedback!

Thank you very much for the comment and for a pretty long subscription!

I appreciate that, thank you!

Glad you think so, thank you!

Thank you for commenting! Biplanes could have augmented the fighter cover but alone like that, they couldn't do too much.

Thank you, glad you liked this one!

Thank you for the feedback! I said it wrong in the first video and I got dozens of comments about it :)

Thank you for commenting and for sending the email. I've looked at the links last night.

Thank you again! I understand your problem, I have the same one with video topics. So many ideas and so little time to realize them :)

Nope, it's not allowed :)

@@showtime112 82ND AIRBORNE Damn!! That was Strong!!

Thank you for the comment! This video is pretty much intended to be watched after part one in which more details about the airplanes themselves are given. I made a video about Mario Visintini too, a while ago, maybe this will encourage people who missed it to watch it.

It was the end of the idea that agility would overcome speed. The Soviets made the same mistake at the start of their air battles.

@@showtime112 I must watch! Thank you!

Brits were still using Gloster Gladiator fighters in the early years of WWII

@@sixgunsymphony7408Yawn! The RAF was indeed employing knackered old Glads but not over “this green and pleasant land”, They were employed in secondary theatres like East Africa where pilots like Visentini were shooting them down with gusto.

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Exactly. Thank you for another comment!

Good to hear you are back. And I appreciate your positive opinion! More content on the way.

@@showtime112 - More power to you Buddy.

I appreciate your feedback!

Thank you very much for this inspired comment! Italian Air Force is often overlooked (and ridiculed) but I'd say they were an important part of the whole story. I seem to inspire model builders a lot recently :)

Not quite, Woos-ter would be the town of Worcester which is the county town of Worcestershire which is pronounced Woos-ter-sher 🙂

@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 I stand corrected. It’s been 30 years since I lived there.

Most details actually come from the British reports. This is in fact true in most cases, British or American sources are usually the most extensive ones. Or at least it seems this way when you primarily research in English language 😁

@@donparker1823 No worries man, 61 years old here, born in the UK and English pronunciations still throw me from time to time.

@@showtime112 . I used to have a small book published in 1943 titled RAF Nice Types. It had cartoons and descriptions showing the various personnel on an RAF station. I seem to remember the Intelligence Officer who it was claimed wouldn't accept a kill unless the pilot brought back the enemy pilot to confirm it.

Then why is the captured CR.42 exhibited in the Battle of Britain Museum? 😁😁😁

@@showtime112 So when do you say the Battle of Britain ended, if you don't believe the official date? And should the pilots who fought these Italians be awarded the Battle of Britain clasp? And if so what should be the last date for one the most prestigious battle awards there is?

@@showtime112 Showtime, I did enjoy your video and I have more time to respond. The reason the Battle of Britain has dates is because the Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939-1945 star was awarded 2,937 times to all aircrew who made an operational flight between 00:01 on 10th July to 23:59 on 31st October. It entitles the holder to claim to be one of "The Few" the single most famous fighting group of World War 2. Only one survives - Pilot Officer Hemmingway. He is 104. And I thought your video was very well made but the Battle of Britain does have defined dates.

That has got to be worse than getting sent in a concentration camp…

They were already unhappy with German food in Belgium as one of them reported :)

Seemed they wanted a bit of the "action" against the British... shit cuisine or not. They fucked about and found out.

My uncle was prisoner in England...i can witness eng people was very correct find him a work in Manchester. Army catch them in desert...he was Flying on a Savoia marchetti as forecast guy

@@claudiocalabrese3865 The Allies used concentration camps and slave labour.

It was common practice during the Battle of Britain for the Hurricanes to attack the bombers & the Spitfires take on the escort, which was normally BF109s, & the fairly ineffectual 110s.

I agree about the pronunciation theory, it definitely sounds like a joke 😁😁😁 Thank you for commenting!

I appreciate your feedback, thank you!

Brits and their 'correct' ways to pronounce things 😁 But thanks!

​@showtime112 It is correct for the RAF, but there's no suggestion or implication this is correct for other airforces.

@@heneagedundas im sorry, did i even mention other air forces?

​@@KABModelsNope. But I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Showtime and the possibility he thought this was a naming method we British think should be universally applied. I agree with everything you said, and have been making the same point myself over the years.

RAF hugely overclaimed but still, the losses were unsustainable for the Italians. As for the G.50s and Bf-109s, they would have probably been very significant if the RAF component remained the same.

@@showtime112 Yeah. The Italian industry could not handle these losses even if they were "small" for other major powers at the time.

Thank you for your comment! I was using research of other people but there is a lot of info regarding this battle.

Thank you for the feedback! To be honest, I have no idea how to pronounce that 😁

Thank you for watching and commenting!

Thank you very much for the positive feedback! Check out older videos if you missed them and final chapter of this story is coming up on Saturday.

Thank you, Part 3 coming up this Saturday.

Thank you very much!

Thank you for the comment! There was a bunch of older video about Italian Air Force in WW2, check them out if you missed them.

Thank you very much for that info. And for subscribing. The pronunciation it was a bit of a joke since in the first video, I pronounced the 'w' and I got dozens of comments explaining how the w is silent 😁

Thank you for the comment and pronunciation guidance!

@showtime112 thanks for your reply, as I said I wasn't being a smart arse, just trying to help Your videos are really good

Thank you for the feedback! Yes, the paint scheme must be a challenge but an experienced modeller might look forward to it.

Thank you for always being among the first! Italians with their aviation started the mid-1930s really well but then they couldn't keep up anymore.

Salut Jeanne, j'aurais aimé savoir ce qui se serait passé si les G50 et Bf 109 étaient restés. Il y aurait eu une tactique d'attaque différente et peut être plus de chasseurs en vol car les radars anglais en auraient détecté plus

@@dominiqueroudier9401 Après octobre 40, les allemands ont commencé à replier leurs gaules, à cause des pertes aériennes encaissées par la Luftwaffe qui étaient très conséquentes. Un débarquement était impossible à cause des conditions météorologiques en automne et de toute manière ils n'ont jamais possédé une force de débarquement digne de ce nom, l'Allemagne restant une puissance militaire terrestre avant tout et l'Angleterre une puissance maritime historique. Le Blitz sur l'Angleterre a continué mais plus de façon nocturne jusque début 1941, puis la Luftwaffe pris la direction de la Grèce, de la Crète pour déloger les anglais que l'Italie avait du mal à réaliser et après avril 41, Goering a préparé les objectifs de Barbarossa pour réaliser l'invasion de la Russie prévue au mois de juin 41. Les erreurs tactiques allemandes concernant la bataille d'Angleterre ont été manifestes, on peut parler d'une accumulation d'étourderies dramatiques, bref de l'incompétence caractérisée. Fin aout 40, après six semaines de duels aériens, les britanniques étaient pratiquement exsangues, pénurie de pilotes, aérodromes militaires flingués par les bombardements allemands ainsi que pas mal de stations radars, des avions restaient disponibles puisque les usines de production n'étaient pas touchées car hors d'atteinte du rayon d'action des bombardiers allemands. Ce qui manquait c'était les pilotes à cause de la longueur de la formation, les anglais n'arrivaient pas à remplacer leurs pertes. C'est pourquoi il y eut tant de nationalités qui pilotaient les avions anglais. Ce fut l'erreur britannique, ne pas avoir formé assez de pilotes pendant la période de la drôle de guerre. Avec leur empire colonial immense, il étaient disséminés un peu partout. Quand Hitler décida de bombarder les villes anglaises en réponse au bombardement anglais de Berlin qui lui même étant en réponse à un HE-111 égaré qui avait déchargé sa cargaison mortelle par erreur sur Londres. Il décida début septembre que tous les ME 109 escorteraient dorénavant les bombardiers sur les raids des villes anglaises. Ce fut le tournant de la bataille. Fin octobre, les anglais avaient sauvé la face et retourné les crêpes aux allemands qui se sont offerts comme cible aux avions anglais.

@@jeannezehner9450 Dis donc Jeanne, tu aurais pu être historienne et enseigner. La bataille d'Angleterre à été limite pour tous. La RAF a eu le renfort des pilotes de la FAA: Royal navy et même des pilotes civils ( anciens de la RAF et âgés : + de 30ans, t'es vieux)des différents constructeurs. L'opération SeeLowe de débarquement était risque car peu de plages anglaises le permettent. Falaises, galets, etc... Après tout à bascule sur la décision d'un homme. Heureusement la RAF avait une force de réserve en Ecosse, loin.. après me rappelle plus de tous les détails de cette histoire

@@dominiqueroudier9401 Les allemands guidaient leurs bombardiers de nuit pendant leurs raids sur l'Angleterre avec des faisceaux d'ondes croisés comme un système de goniométrie qui leur permettait de se diriger vers leurs objectifs de bombardement. Seulement les anglais arrivaient à les brouiller, et les bombardiers allemands dérivaient du fait de l'imprécision pour faire le point précis pendant leur vol et bombardaient à côté ou des villes que les anglais choisissaient. Ainsi ils évitaient de bombarder les sites stratégiques qui auraient paralysé la production industrielle. On retrouve un peu la même chose avec le décryptage du code ENIGMA utilisé par les sous marins allemands qui flinguaient les convois alliés dans l'Atlantique Nord. Les anglais mirent un peu plus de deux ans à le décrypter et à partir de fin 42, ils choisissaient les convois que les allemands devaient flinguer et faisaient passer les primordiaux à travers les meutes de U-BOOTS. Durant l'année 43 la couverture aérienne alliée fut assurée tout le long de la traversée, ce qui rendit les choses encore plus difficile pour les allemands qui se doutaient que quelque chose se passait et avaient ajouté une quatrième molette à leur machine de cryptage ENIGMA. Mais les britanniques réussirent à le déchiffrer une nouvelle fois.

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Thank you! Part 3 coming up this Saturday.