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Yep conformity at its finest

@@kurniaramadhan7630 if you watched the whole video he says that the bullet points listed were not what they voted on they voted on sometheing else and that was the result that he had no hand in thats not reallt his fault conformity would be if he didnt tell anyone he disagreed but as soon as he saw it wasnt what he thought he very publicly came outto disagree.

@@Fableruinthere’s no way they were not read the demands that they will turn in to riot

LCS peaked when all players are high school dropped out and had to fight their parents to play in LCS😢

You know what solves homelessness? Getting a real job, like 99.9% of people who can't afford to pretend ''im gonna go pro one day broo"...

​@@peterino6370 yes theres no desperation no passion no want you make fkijg tier 2 and your set hmjust chill playing league make ez money thyere has to be less money in na so we get tru great laywrs

Facts! I always immediately think of Zorozero

@@peterino6370they still are high school dropouts tho don’t worry. Apart from guys like Dom and Revenge almost none of them even got into good Universities.

He is literally standing behind them while having a gun pointing straight at the back of their heads waiting to pull the trigger if it don’t benefit him 😂

The thing people are missing is that an actual season walkout would just kill the LCS, put many of the orgs in serious financial problems, and deny all of the players and coaches and analysts half a year of pay. It's a death sentence.

​@@jaredswift Well, they better figure out how to appease the players then.

except not at all cause doublelift is not negotiating for himself here, in fact where do you think the money they save from not running academy is gonna be going to hint: it's towards being able to keep paying huge salaries for big brand players like doublelift I'm not saying he's doing it maliciously or anything but he's just kinda not that smart xd

@@caramelheaven im sure the example is referring to leverages and not knowing wtf they are. DL clearly doesn’t understand that

bro the outro killed me xDDD

The outro was so fucking funny

I remember Emiru put on a streamers tourny & that was the most fun i've had watching NA league since like 2015. So yeah let's just run a "how hard can my imports carry in bronze" split, at least it'll be a fun watch

I mean, Riot put out a statement that any team can hire randos for LCS Summer but the LCS player union told anyone trying to accept that offer to stfu. Man, the bronze shenanigans we missed. It would've been a lot entertaining.

​@tkraid2575 I'm sure the bronzes would ignore the players association there

For one night only, Dom and Piglet play on the same team. Seeing Piglet be passive aggressive while Dom malds will be something I'd pay to watch lol

I wish it became high elo streamer league. LETS GET HASHINSHIN STYLING ON THESE NOOBS.

Wrong, the Korean TEAM Pyosik played with won worlds. You could convince Faker to play with an LCS team and they’d probably shit on every other team in NA, but when they made it to worlds they would lose because it would literally be a 1v9. Huni also played on T1 and when he came to NA he was ok, but the team he was on still sucked.

@@xv_thedevil CoreJJ won worlds, too. It's not an issue of individual player skill and it never has been. edit: hmm maybe I should qualify this. There might be a better average player in Korea, or the best player in the region is directly better than another region, but what I mean is that several of the teams and players NA has sent to worlds had the players to win (or players who are damn good or good enough) - they just never have the "team" as a whole, whether that's all 5 players on the same page, or the mentality, or the ambition - I don't really know. Competition is weird. Look at the NHL right now and you'll see two teams nobody would've felt good about betting the farm on a month ago competing for the final. Watching MSI for example was very interesting. Nearly all the NA teams jumped out to leads early in several games, and then pissed them away. And then their mental was completely broken and they'd get annihilated after that. They obviously do have the player skill to win games, but there's a secret sauce that's missing there. Whether it's WAY MORE PRACTICE or something - unsure. Very well could be. Being young and having a hundred thousand dollar paycheck in Los Angeles probably gets a person thinking a lot less about practice time and a lot more about... literally anything else.

Drx won only because faker and Zeus inted game 5

​@@ELTT1 my man been watching too much nba lol

@@jimai808 lol I bugged

I think he has complete awareness, he just doesn’t mince words with all the bullshit.

@@BobJason1 he has no understanding of basic economics in sports/esports orgs despite having been in the scene for a decade. If he was self-aware, I think he'd have figured out basic things like Academy team and LCS incentives.

​@bob jason no brain no bs. Not a good combo. He's confidently dumb as hell

@@RahulDevanarayanan do you think you could share some of your basic understanding of economics and what the NACL should be doing to incentivize competitive integrity, and how it differs from DL’s statement?

@@stevenarvizu3602 Dom literally states a possible thing that could have happened at 5 minutes into this video. But obviously you didn't watch it. :)

I don't get how the PA dropped the bag with these demands. These guys had one opportunity to send a message and pissed away their opportunity to make a list of unrealistic demands.

By far 2. is the most important. It's like they can't face the fact they are being overpaid, and instead actually demanded for the opposite.

@@juanaugustolopez8747its illegal unless they are in a union so that will never happen

1 and 3 will NEVER happen. Riot is the TO, never a PA/union have a say in how TO work or how TO place rule. Either you out, or you play. PR image is the only thing that can affect TO decision. Don't even try, it never happen, not in future, not now, try tell football players to fight FIFA, see how they laugh.

4 actually reasonable demands vs whatever nonesense LCSPA came up with maybe they should hire the youtube commenters instead

take up the offer and show em who's boss, timmy!

fr the goat

Dude and it's ending involves a guy ACTUALLY NAMED Aram. So bizarre

Nah Dom just play everything live. He is a great producer for sure

the ending was actually straight up from his stream, i was watching it live and was dying laughing for 10 mins straight

That was part of his point?

@@gamer-ih7wo part of his point was that when it was his responsibility to go into negotiations with Riot to transition the academy system from being lcs org dependent to independent he sat on his hands? No it wasn’t, he didn’t even acknowledge that he was the vice president of the PA years ago. He’s now, after the fact and now that the responsibility falls on someone else, saying something should have been done earlier when HE was one of the people in the position that should have gotten it done.

@@MrPromech No, he said that he didn't support the teams having to field an academy roster when they didn't actually use it for anything, a money sink. He spoke up this time because Riot has abandoned tier 2 league as they got rid of it while having no plans on how they could make a tier 2 league work.

@@gamer-ih7wo Riot talked about their plan moving forward and indicated they would be supporting the academy scene, they just would discuss the details of it at a later time. Riot didn’t straight up say “academy is dead” and in fact there are teams RIGHT NOW that are in academy with rosters of players ready to play in academy whose season is delayed because of the players association. My point is the time of bringing that concern up was when it happened, which he agreed with. He just also omitted the part where it was actually his responsibility to be the one to bring it up at the time and didn’t.

@@MrPromech I think that it's irresponsible that Riot pulled the tier 2 scene without having a clear plan going forward. Obviously, they can and probably will put forward a plan for tier 2 going forward. I just think it shows a lack of care on their part, insinuating that they don't care about tier 2. Your right that Peter should have said something. Maybe he did or didn't, who knows. I think that hindsight definitely helps identify the problem. Also after seeing that the PA didn't do their research when making their points. I wouldn't trust them to be competent.

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if you're an org hiring DL, you probably aren't very smart to begin with.

Yep! He might've just upended the whole negotiations thanks to his massive ego. Especially his statement about wanting to compete in the summer split and worlds. The guy's a great player but sadly he doesn't have a great head on his shoulders.

Absolutely hilarious

@@NyangisKhan Smart player, stupid person overall. If Doublelift's career was hinging on his ability to read a room, this guy would still be homeless lol.

Theres a difference in not thinking about it and not caring. The asks of Riot is stupid and the players association is a joke. Nothing DL does or says changes these facts that Riot will never give a fuck about the players association because the players didn't pay a god dam dime to have a say. This "hide everyone's opinions" ideology is one of weakness and applaud DL for not giving a fuck about people who CHOOSE to be weak.

Not just esports, it ruins every sport

@@ElEmElEkv13 please do explain cause traditional sports are doing just fine lmao 😂.

Epsort are not sustainable in any other ways.

@@ElEmElEkv13 not really. It is more complicated than just a yes or no. NA LCS is just way too small and revenue stream is too small for franchising to work. It is also a esports game and no one should expect it to grow forever like normal sports, which is what make traditional sport team to invest in the first place.

​@@parlangua89not every sport uses a franchise model. Most sports use a club model which is based on a community E.g Liverpool FC, Man utd, Toulouse RFC. Where these clubs are created at a community level and work their way up a pyramid to the top. A franchise model is based on a commercial brand like the LCS, where spots are sold by the governing body to commercial entites who then build a team.

People flame Thorin because it's the cool thing to do no matter how correct he is

@@spncrgrn He's always wrong until people realize he was right lol

​@@spncrgrnpeople were really flaming thorin for going on a tangent and said "i dont know whose cousin in chat you are, but I didnt invite you on this show" like he didnt have a choice and vote about inviting him on and throwing shade on his cohost and viewers

​@@acidrat420 hes right about a fair few things but his attitude stinks of piss and he rides the moral high horse but then takes Gambling promotions. Not really interested in the opinion of a hypocrite

trick2g used to do subwars, with sammy b, that stuff was crazy xD

then u would have a chance to play in front of viewers

travis taught him well, don't bite the hand that feeds and fucks you over.

/s

@@RumandCocaine Basically don't bite your pimp?

I've watched basically every Aram interview. The guy is off his rocker. He's a flat-out-literal Marxist who is enacting his Proletariat rise up against the Bourgeois fantasy. He has misrepresented the financial situation, doesn't understand that Revenue =/= profit, doesn't understand the idea of expense. He has put his ideology ahead of the interests of either the LCS PA or the NACL, and just wants a Labor vs Capital showdown. At the very *LEAST* if he didn't go to Liftlift with the demands before hand-- and the other major players and team leaders in the LCS-- to get their take, even if he went against some of them, he deserves to be canned. These demands should have been floated *as part of the walkout vote*. That's how you do this stuff. Aram's an absolute doorknob of a PA Rep. Fire his ass, get a labor lawyer to replace him, get some rational demands-- fulfillment of summer 2023 contracts, a guaranteed seat at the table for Tier 2 league discussions-- and try again. Doublelift didn't end the LCS PA bargaining position-- Aram did. Doublelift just verbalized it, and demonstrated he's not just irrational toward the ownership and Riot, he's irresponsible in his communication with the players themselves.

Academy is supposed to be a proving ground where you play your main team against your academy team. C9 has had times in the past where their Academy players and main lcs players were basically interchangeable in some roles. Like Baseball has a minor league, let league have a minor league.

Only entitled, lazy people disagree with his take.

So true. Honestly you said it the nicest way possible.

A big part of it is that they signed a year contract and it's just full on voided. That's objectively shitty. It's a lot about the lying too. Assuming the LCSPA is telling the truth and other reporting holds up, a week or so before the announcement, Riot told them no changes would be made until 2024. Both can be shitty and the rest not be warranted.

WNBA loses money every year, a lot of money, but it sadly still exists even though nobody cares about it. Rito is filthy rich, so they could fund tier 2 competition if they wanted, but greed is strong in that one.

@@andrejstojsin yeah, but the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA. They keep it as a PR league.

I mean, the pro scene as a whole *doesn't* lose money. Not close. It's just that the money it makes is in skin sales for Riot. The question is twofold, then: is NACL necessary to this process (probably no, honestly, but that's not up to me) and was there a formal agreement that the NACL would be in place and funded (yes there *absolutely* was).

L for grandpops i guess

Kek, usually don't hear people talking about their relatives who crossed the picket line. Have CBAs tear my family apart at various times. Gross stuff. I always find myself falling on the side of unions, but I hate unions.

Fkn Bulgaria. I knew it.

​@@semnejlepsi8983 It was indeed a massive L on my grandpa's part

On one hand yeah, on the other hand why even take a stand against Riot if you're then going to publicly say "if Riot makes a threat that would actually be painful to me personally, then screw those academy players"? If you're going to say that, you might as well not have taken a stand in the first place.

@@HelloWorld-cq1sq because that’s exactly his stance. That academy is ass currently but riot is also at fault. So he’s basically in the middle of both sides and will stand where he stands. Isn’t that black or white.

@@HelloWorld-cq1sq Because Aram handled the walkout idiotically. He didn't present the demands as part of the walkout vote, he didn't consult the team reps to the LCS PA (of whom Doublelift is one), he didn't put sensible demands, and Aram put out demands that enabled Riot to be the rational ones with a balls-thudding-the-table "No". This is on Aram's absolutely loony take on all of this, his dishonest spin of the situation (to the public and the LCS PA). Fire him, hire someone responsible.

@@HelloWorld-cq1sq because screw those academy players. they add nothing to the league

Yeah but that responsibility is on DL, not on others. He should've been more careful if he really does mean something else, rather than what he said in the video.

@@MM-vs2et I completely agree. The root failure is on DL and that's why I was laughing that Dom was adding to the terrible dumpster fire DL started xD

@@HunterEdmo Poor Phillip man, I get that it’s easy to laugh at how stupid DL’s messaging is, but such a shame that a historic moment in Esports got undermined by one of their own

nobody really knows. Its not even clear in valorant much less in the hypothetical league adoption of the system

@@petormaculan5424 Does valorant have franchised spots? cause if not, it makes sense in that system... but if it is franchised then yeah that also doesn't make sense