This is exactly how it should be. I mean if you're going to pay over 1000$ you better be able to do that. Lmao.

Agree

Sad to see people justify this.😢

​@@gabrielrodriguez9142 Bro wtf Dev's need money too , so they will give advantage to those who pay 😊

​@@kazekyuu5213 his point still stands

Also players: proceed to give them the money and still be bad at the game 😂

With him obliterate Aix I can agree P2W is good. But with Tempest Mephis VI I will not be so sure it still P2W xD Not to mention it's still 1.0 version of the game, knowing Kuro P2W ain't gonna do much in the long run

@@a.a.r4054 Jiyan auto parry dude what do you expect lol

gotta love that - much better than genshin

I did mephis with c6 jiyan but he is still lvl 70 baizhi is 60 and I dont have a legendary mortefi doesnt even have his own echos I gave him the echos from my encor and still won ^^ Even tectone on his testserver account did not manage to kill mephis and he was lvl 90 with all 3 chars verina and mortefi with legendary It's just about skill nubs get good losers

Same as real life

I'm not broke, I just like a challenge. Paying to make something easier is boring for me.

Since when not spending money in your game considered "broke" ?. I don't understand.

@@marshallman5190 it's not that deep

tru. i watched this video and was like "this can NOT be fun" lol

My monke brain likes big numbers so seeing single cycle clears is pretty satisfying to me

@@TheLazyBoi_yeah but it’ll get boring FAST

It would be Genshin all over again

Exactly. Who cares how quickly you killed it if you just threw out all the combat mechanics (dodging, timed parries, etc.)? Rookie stuff to think the numbers are what impresses in Wuwa lol

Because they want have a higher ground than 4 years game, even it sound silly they don't care and blindly become ignorant

I guess it's depends on the definition of "win" in p2w. If it means getting an extra 150 asterites per tower reset and 40 asterites per hologram boss for 1-2 month EARLIER than 99% of the players then sure you can say it's pay to win For me it's not pay to win cuz I can just wait for 1-2 months and get the same rewards if your definition of "winning" is doing 500k+ damage nuke per cycle than sure you can call it p2w

@@Kakedugem That wasn't really the case. Genshin literally had nothing to do with it. The truth is it's mostly internal arguments within the wuwa community, with sweaty f2p players hating on whales and saying they can't beat the game even if they whale, which is just straight up cap. I honestly don't like what the community is cultivating when it comes to end game content, it's almost as if they're gatekeeping other players, almost like I'm in a souls-borne community for some reason, with sweats trying to downplay others for choosing to be OP. I for one love whales on every Gacha game I've played. They fund the game for f2p players and small spenders.

@@ayemjake no. I mean for the people that you are having argument with, they don't accept fact. I never in my life hate whale since they fund the game, ofc I also not belittle f2p since they also support with their engagement in the population. This kind of argument already there in early Genshin release too. I don't know why people can just enjoy the game they want to play

​@@naavaru6229 getting an advantage by paying is called pay to win. There's no other definition

all gacha games)

that's just life in general isn't it 😭 in my place, for example. if you're a massive dimwit that kept failing the driving test, you can just bribe the test officer for like a hundred bucks. your new, hard earned license will be delivered to your porch by the end of the week🗿

Which is fine in pve games tbh

Wuthering waves does add a ton of way to just beat the game without ptw I’m free to play and I have yinlin and jinshi lol and both there signature swords a gun thing they give so much to ftp

@@RoyalCoco. 150 Pulls for yinlin, 130 for jinshi

It's not p2w. The term p2w means you need to pay, to win. As long as you can clear all content on sane levels (Warframe is a good example of not sane) it's not p2w.

​@@KazekoRyu Warframe is the worst example of that 💀 Warframe is not p2w especially with trading being a thing

​@@KazekoRyu people like you always get it wrong. Despite the name, a game in fact doesn't need the players to have to pay to be able to clear all content. You mistook paywall with pay to win

@@KazekoRyu HUH. As someone with 7k hours in warframe, played since beta, and i'm legendary rank 3. Warframe is 100% undoubtedly and undeniably pay 2 win. And wuwa is infinitely more so.

​@@KazekoRyu lol total bullshit.. p2w means you can pay and will be noticeable stronger than someone who does not throw money at the game... so the person who does not pay needs to dodge attacks for 5 minutes straight, while doing a third of the damage of the dude who paid and who only needs 2 hits to kill the same enemy and does not care about the one hit he might take in the 20 second fight it's so funny that you people always try to change the meaning of words only to somehow fit you weird definitions every single gacha game out there is p2w,, selling power is the main business model of gacha games.. and not only are gacha games p2w to their deepest core, no they are even the most expensive p2w games out on the market with their 50/50 nonsense and all the gambling involved. games where whales throw thousands of dollars at the game to unlock all sequences, constellations, eidolons or whatever you wanna call those dupes and have chars that are 5 times stronger than the chars f2p players run around with

ive been playing games for over 10 years and never bothered to learn dodge and parry, but this game, ive to learn it😂 and im regretful i didnt try to learn it earlier, i would have enjoyed my previous games more. you dont have to be able to dodge the attacks every time, 1 out of 2 is ok, and you will find the kid in your heart happy every time you are able to dodge or parry ❤ never too late to learn

​@@mayumitmarikitI relate to this hard 😂

​@@mayumitmarikit 10 years of gaming and no game compelled you to dodge or parry? You must have missed out a lot lol

If only I had money to get a better phone so I could play when I'm not at home without lag Im 19

@@anandharamananandh54710 years of solitaire and candy crush saga

Norman and babel also become ez now. Even f2p can clear it at max difficulty, it was hard before because we still don't have a fully built team yet.

So much onions.

SO much onion levels too.

I'm on onion layer 46 right now, can confirm. Not a nickel spent!

I'm onion level 31 rn and still crying

At whale level yeah. F2p still have to skill through Genshin. Unfortunately Genshin doesn't have anything like Hologram bosses. I don't feel like Local Legends are as compelling. But the combat in Genshin is definitely deeper than WuWa. But like I said, at Whale investment you don't really have to engage with mechanics as much in either game.

Whale investment is like that in almost every game, but I believe Honkai Impact 3 is more applicable considering clearing it take literal second there if You are at the top, meanwhile Abyss still need maybe 30 second-ish if it was easy and 1 min-ish if its hard(per-chamber)

​@@RuneKatashima Combat in genshin deeper than wuwa, you lost me there😂 it's just skill, switch, repeat three times get all buffs and dump damage

​@@vandergrift5557wuwa combat isn't that deep either. Dodge, switch character, ult, skill, repeat and etc

@@HI-ki8nq atleast it's faster, parry is rewarding, even dodges are rewarding with time slowing and counters, what does genshin does compared to these? Nothing

yeah, those people are absolutely delusional i also had that argument, people are SO desperate to claim they are "good at something" that they think a gacha takes skill, they were 100% sure you wouldnt be able to delete everything in a couple seconds because this is (and i quote) "a Kuro game, not a Hoyo game"

Yeah I've also seen comments like that. But I'm not good in arguing so didn't say anything XD.

It takes less skill..if you are p2w regardless of how many say it is..but you still need skill..that aix he said on the video has movement restrictions debuff..one shot from his laser you done even if you are a p2w..well i learn it the hard way so i know..

@@Hiken_Bakuzan It is not that they are good at the game, but rather their credit cards are good at the game.

Honestly, it is quite funny to argue about this topic with them. They are really desperate to defend their stan from this fact. Now, someone already comes and proves it😂😂😂.

It's P2P or pay for convience right ? Because who are they even winning against.

The P2W players were challenging shit when they weren't even UL40 iirc so they just get one shotted regardless of how whaled their characters are

@@abhiss6705 Every monster in the tower.

@@abhiss6705 bro p2w is paying to get advantage in gameplay that's all. you dont need to win against someone

@@david_ace yea that's more like pay for convience or P2P. If you don't win against anything , why is it a "win" in the first place.

So that means whales will not be allowed to use their C6R5 characters which they paid for?

​@@hikari9262They can but if they nuke the enemy, they might only get a D rank. What gives a high score in that mode are things like parry and perfect dodge or not using ult at all during the fight.

​@@acircle1542ah I see, so this mode would likely count based on how many hit/combos you land, how many perfect dodge and parry? Meaning if the whale using their maxed whale character, they basically just land a few hits then enemies ded hence lower score?

​@@hxppythxughts7149Yep, and this mode doesn't have a time limit so you have to drag out the fight and make it last as long as possible to get a higher score.

Interesting sounds cool. Like style points Always wondered why games like lies of P or even ghost of tsutsima don't throw a parry focused mode / boss rush and record statistics.....

DOLPHIN POD UNITE

Azur Lane is p2w only if you think winning means having the most skins or the highest fleet power, which is just a flex stat. Pvp gives a 20% damage advantage for the attacker , meaning oathing your ships (less than 6% more stats) is not necessary, even considering that pvp rewards are mediocre in the first place too. So nah, p2w in every gacha game isn't true.

@@jens2994 if it's a gacha that means than you can pay to get more pulls..unless this is not the case the game is p2w nothing complicated

@david_ace Getting several copies of a ship is pointless in Azur Lane, and as long as you know how to use your cubes efficiently (gacha currency), you can obtain every ship from each banner. Not to mention, the majority of events can be skipped if you only care about meta or waifus. Sure, you can buy more cubes... I have never bought cubes, have 100% collection, and I am gaining cubes from event to event. I guess you can argue it's 'play' to win instead of 'pay' as the primary source of cubes is by doing commissions (just log in and start the commissions, wait for some time and they'll give rewards) and urgent commissions (same thing but they only get triggered on chance after beating enemy fleets). There's no reason you'd have a disadvantage by not paying; That'd be your own fault for being incompetent. Game's out since 2017, so you'd have some catching-up to do, but having to pay is an illusion.

Feels wild when the bastard even has his shadow clone beating your ass.

Same HP just less DR

For now, that & tower (i think), doesnt mean this is all we get, the game is new & if theres already whales clearing the current hardest content, it could push kuro to design something actually difficult, & that wouldnt be easily beaten even with maxed characters, or they could simply lock your characters & make you use trial characters or something, something to make it equal playing field for all players

Sarcasm for people who don't get just in case

p2w = paying to get an advantage in a game that can be a character, a weapon, more gears or even gameplay advantage (for exemple because u paid u get an item that prevent your character to get Oneshotted) and you dont have to "win" against player

@@david_ace but by that logic, if someone who doesn't pay could win at the same winning condition (eg: clear the stage in x seconds), that technically win, without comparing to other player, could that game called a "p2w game" though? It's what I confused from today's p2w compared to its definition back then. I mean, WuWa and GI doesn't need to invest that much when it gets to clear any hard content at bare minimum best winning condition. So I won't dare to call them p2w. From my views, most gacha games aren't p2w as long as they don't have any leaderboards. As long as the point of "trading time for money" is enough to win, I don't count them p2w, because they're "trading money for time (plus exclusive items)". Like arknights, every level could be cleared with 3*s and 4*s, so much that you only need to borrow friends operator. Or FGO with Cu & borrowed Herc. GI and WuWa could be cleared with only 4* in decent investment. While for example Hi3 and UmaMusu that's really hard on their leaderboard for better rewards. They force you to buy every gears because the one that you grind or freebies aren't that strong enough to "win", and it's on a lootbox. UmaMusu is even worse than Hi3, they need you to pull exclusive cards to the max level break as the levels also giving you new bonuses and upgrades of the cards passive. I don't really count BlueAka & PriConne because their characters are quite easy to max with excess fragments though. Their currency are so easy to farm and games like that are generous with the tickets, but their 200 pity lootboxes with the rate are still sucks though.

@@farzbz987 my comment keep getting delete but TLDR paying and get advantage is being p2w but if the game isn't competitive the game is not classed as p2w because of that

Whatever a f2p can do doesnt matter. The fact is that a whale can pay their way to victory. You can't call that "pay for convenient" when they just straight up win the game. In conlcusion, it's a p2w game but you can also play it f2p like many other games.

@@david_ace some people do pay for the games to win, that makes sense

fair take, to get a C6 limited character you would damn hope it's broken as holy hell

you can buy wavebands using Afterglow Corals to increase your resonance chains so expect reruns as opportunities for players to increase RC# of 5* characters unlike in that other game which requires you to pull the character again in WuWa it's significantly more affordable

I greet to a degree, since people enjoy games in different ways, I will spend enough to have all characters and their weapons, and will max refresh, this way I don't get denied anything and enjoy the game, without making the game easy. Not being able to get all the characters you want is also not fun.

@@midwestairway fair

Some people just like seeing those big numbers not that its a problem the whales are keeping the game alive after all c6ing a character isn't a bad thing either but for most of us we probably don't want to kill everything in 1 or 2 hits would become boring fast there would be no skill involved

Well they funding the company so the dev can continue to make the game better, imagine if everyone is f2p the game would be dead in no time 🥱

The resonance chain and weapon refinement definitely have more to do with this damage than progression. You will never be able to do this much damage with Jiyan without S6R6

@@draconicalz8207 S6 R5 is also a progression, you can farm for him, it take time but possible.

Both are relatively the same. If you are losing, you can pay to win such as paying to destroy all of Tower of Adversity. Either way, both give a HUGE advantage over all content. And in a game where you don't need to pay to win, devs can easily make it hard as hell to entice people to pay to win, while not forcing them to pay. Even harder than Elden Ring. SO it feels like one has to pay to win. Can see where people are coming from. Where does one draw the line...

@@XiaZ Not really? Sure you can save all your currency and only ever pull on his banner, whenever he comes around but I wouldn't necessarily call that farming for him. Especially seeing how it would probably take a year or even 2 to guarantee full S6R5.

@@etrememasters1 around 9 months but yeah that's the gist of how to farm.

Not really? Thats kinda the point, f2p are not getting any maxed limited character unless theyre just lucky enough to pull 5 copies in a single 10 pull or something, could also be the weapon, since they're guaranteed its better for whales to pull since every 80 pulls they get the weapon they want, also you cant pay for echoes to not get shit substats so you just have to pray to rnjesus

To be honest, if whales who S6 and R5 would struggle to clear, the f2p and low spenders would have zero chance, so let whales enjoy their one shot clears, they paid for it. Personally I will get every character plus their weapon, this guarantees enjoying the game without being overpowered. Struggling to get the characters you want is also no fun for me, for example I want both jinshi and changli, with their weapons, I will pay until I have them

The Mourning Aix was hologram 6 lol. Sure he can test it on tempest Mephis hologram 6, but how much hp does he really have compared to Aix? And how many 600k+ nuke on 1 enhanced Jiyan ult can it tank? I'm betting only 3 at max lol and that is without the normal attacks from the ult form of Jiyan, so it's clearly VERY doable. And tbh, tempest hologram 6 is already doable at level 70 f2p. You can see Sweetily's solo Encore and other CC vids.

​@@reverie4384There is a huge difference between doing the damage in 5 mins vs doing the same damage you did in 5 mins in 10 seconds 😊😊

And they told you they came from genshin? Geez I really can't with some of you

​​@@segbefiajustin2408 yeah that dude comment is like the dumbest shit ever read in the whole wuwa vs genshin retardation arc. Like it feels like a comment made by an 8 years old.

Keep dreaming lmao. People aren't as dumb as you might think.

For sure the people who come from genshin can't figure out the UI in wuthering waves that they rip directly from genshin lmfao

@@peek3246 😂😂