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@Graham_Rule Жыл бұрын
8:33 Talking about companies going bankrupt while showing the Credit Suisse building 😁
@JagoHazzard Жыл бұрын
Sometimes you just have the perfect shot…
@PokhrajRoy. Жыл бұрын
Every city has a version of “Ah feck it let’s just get something done because this is going to take forever.”
@andrewweitzman4006 Жыл бұрын
Something akin to that is being done in my town (Montreal) in the form of the REM. Getting new metro extensions done here is sloooooow due to a historically weak transit agency and the technology (rubber-tire subway chosen because the mayor who conceived the plan was a Paris fanboi). So a massive automated steel-wheel metro is being built by a private company that is backed by the provincial pension fund. And being effectively private capital, they chose a lot of ugly-but-fast-to-build elevated guideways and building along highway rights of way to get 'er done inexpensively. There have been delays and cost overruns due to...ah...certain events in 2020 and freaking things like explosives found in the 100 year old tunnel they took over. But it's still on track (heh) to be open by next year.
@tremensdelirious Жыл бұрын
Not northern cities. Our version is, “feck it, let’s just get something done” and then a year down the line it will get cancelled or stripped right back
@mryeti1887 Жыл бұрын
Near me the DOT wanted to build 20 miles of road but they only had enough money for 10 miles. A state congressmen said “Well, build 10 miles. Once you do that, people will be screaming for the other 10”. He was right. The money was “found” halfway through construction.
@tomburke5311 Жыл бұрын
Rome has an appalling problem with their metro, which they’ve been building for years. Every few yards - sorry, metres - they hit some previously unknown/forgotten Roman temple/baths/apartment block and that’s it for 6 months or more, while the archeologists take over.
@thesteelrodent1796 Жыл бұрын
@@tomburke5311 that's to be expected when the original Roman city is underneath a huge part of current Rome. No one's ever dared (or bothered to) excavating it since there's buildings on top of everything, so it's unknown how big the original city really was. It's impossible to dig a hole anywhere in central Rome without going into some 2000 year old building. They even have buildings with multi-story basements dating back to the original city, because they just kept building on top as the city flooded and sediment buried the buildings. It's one of the only cities in the world to still have much of the original structures somewhat preserved (aka buried) under the current ground level
@MickCampin-jp9kb Жыл бұрын
The Channel Tunnel probably the biggest case in point, if my memory serves me right it took over 200 years. I do recognise that both Napoleon and Hitler got in the way
@Keithbarber Жыл бұрын
I thought it was napoleon that first mooted the idea
@MickCampin-jp9kb Жыл бұрын
@@Keithbarber I think the idea was muted quite a while before England to France tunnel was considered but in France I agree probably was Napoleon
@msg5507 Жыл бұрын
@@MickCampin-jp9kb It was first mooted in Roman times according to one of the Asterix and Obelix cartoons I read.
@MickCampin-jp9kb Жыл бұрын
@@msg5507 yes possibly not sure Obelix would have fitted through. I think the first attempt at a tunnel, near Folkestone was started and abandoned in 1700 or there abouts
@NeilBlenkiron Жыл бұрын
My favourite game when looking at "failed" public transport ventures is to ask myself "What would Mr C. T. Yerkes have done?". I get whole minutes of quiet enjoyment out of contemplating the answer...
@andrewweitzman4006 Жыл бұрын
Based on his exploits in Chicago, enraged the entire city against him and shagged most of the female population of the Greater London Area.
@Punnery Жыл бұрын
Skipped town and moved on to the next set of suckers--er, "opportunities"--I expect.
@tomburke5311 Жыл бұрын
I think he did OK, in both London and Chicago. The amalgamation of the different companies in London was a good idea and the creation of a significant power-generating company likewise. In Chicago he promoted and developed the Loop, the downtown section of the L (the elevated railway) - again, a good idea and still in use today (albeit enhanced). Trouble was, his schemes cost a lot of money. But I really think he was an important influence in taking the London Underground forward.
@emjackson2289 Жыл бұрын
@@Punnery Well he built transport systems in New York, Chicago and London and boy did it put them on the map . . . .
@iankemp1131 Жыл бұрын
This is actually quite reminiscent of Yerkes. It sounds as if the Jubilee line extension, which has been hugely beneficial, might not have been built without Olympia and York's scheme and their promised financial contribution. Which then never materialised, rather like Yerkes' promised profits, but by then the line was being built anyway. It was too late to stop it, so we all reaped the benefits - like it was too late to un-build the Bakerloo, Hampstead and Piccadilly tubes so they had to do their best to make them profitable or at least break even.
@grahamstubbs4962 Жыл бұрын
I do like the abbreviation "Oh and Why?" It hadn't occurred to me!
@al3k Жыл бұрын
Whenever I see vids of the isle of dogs these days it still amazes me how it looks now.. I remember mudlarking in the sludge as a kid when literally it was just all mud and junk and rotting fish bits, and those legendary cargo lifting towers all the way down... and I'm not even that old yet.. I don't think anyway.. :(
@unclenogbad1509 Жыл бұрын
I'm not that old, either - at least I don't think I am. We did a sort of project on the Royal Docks when I was at Primary school (in West London) in the late 1960's when it was still a working dock. The next time I went there was only about 5 years ago, taking my kid to MCM at the Excell centre. I could hardly believe it was the same place.
@al3k Жыл бұрын
@@unclenogbad1509 Yeah even til the 80s and 90s..Incredible how quickly it popped up.. New York took longer to skycrape like this didn't it?
@longiusaescius25376 ай бұрын
@al3k yeah but NYC didn't import nearly as many migrants
@al3k6 ай бұрын
@@longiusaescius2537 erm.. wasn't New York all built and populated by migrants? :)
@PlanetoftheDeaf Жыл бұрын
The original Crossrail scheme didn't include the branch via Canary Wharf. If it had, then maybe O&Y would have been happy with this being built first, rather than a line to Waterloo? In retrospect, it was a correct decision to build SOMETHING to Canary Wharf, as the DLR by the late 90s was horribly overcrowded.
@dodgydruid Жыл бұрын
Double interest seeing as a distant relation designed Waterloo station and my grandfather's family were the once affluent Greenwich naval Watson's with many long years of association with Greenwich RN, think my great grandfather's plaque that was on the old Dreadnought wall is still about there in the museum site. Funny story in my paternal grandmother was a Watson and a Scott (cousin and a bit to the chap who designed Waterloo), herself hailing from the well to do Morningside area of Edinburgh, when she married my grandfather she became Watson-Watson sounding like a firm of accountants lol
@superlynx98 Жыл бұрын
As someone who can read Cyrillic, your username gives me a headache
@xenon53827 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Holmes yelling for a friend.
@unclenogbad1509 Жыл бұрын
LoL
@MrGreatplum Жыл бұрын
I never knew about this private scheme - thank you for unearthing this!
@RogersRamblings Жыл бұрын
Olympia and York met their Waterloo. In the 1990s there was a proposal to build a freight line from the north of England to the Channel Tunnel passing under central London built to carry lorries on rail vehicles. IIRC one of the government's concerns was who would pick up the bill if the proposers failed. Christian Wolmar wrote a couple of articles; Rail 408: Central Railway: a big idea that could even be beautiful, and Rail 768: The mystery of the freight railway that never happened. I tried to post a link but my comment disappeared.
@andrewgwilliam4831 Жыл бұрын
KZfaq doesn't allow links to other sites in comments, and automatically removes/deletes them. A ham-fisted approach to preventing spam...
@thesteelrodent1796 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewgwilliam4831 except for links to wikipedia
@andrewgwilliam4831 Жыл бұрын
@@thesteelrodent1796 Really? How bizarre!
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
@@thesteelrodent1796 I knew they let KZfaq links through, didn’t realise they had an exception for Wikipedia too
@emjackson2289 Жыл бұрын
My *BIG IDEA* was a railway line into East Anglia, then under the Thames outside London then to the Chunnel . . . . - but who listens to lunatics commenting on KZfaq?!
@ZGryphon Жыл бұрын
"But this is ignoring a massive elephant in the room." I see what you did there, Jago.
@tomburke5311 Жыл бұрын
Another interesting video - many thanks. Something that a lot of people forget is that for quite a while, One Canada Square - the original tower - stood pretty much alone. it was opened in 1991; another tower came along in 1997; and then the floodgates opened, with many towers opening in the early years of the current century. But through most of the 1990s, One Canada Square looked a bit lost, all on its own.
@eattherich9215 Жыл бұрын
I used to have a distant view from my flat near Deptford, and the One Canada Square building stood in splendid isolation for a long time. Nowadays if you can see it at all amongst the forest of skyscrapers, the glass pyramid roof is the only distinguishing feature.
@MetroTitanD78 Жыл бұрын
Canary Wharf is my favourite building in London and I could see it from my school in Hornchurch even when it was smoggy as the sun would shine off the top of it creating a weird hovering golden triangle in the sky.
@AndreiTupolev Жыл бұрын
The answer is obvious: hire Charles Tyson Yerkes! He'll get 'er done !
@davidbaker251 Жыл бұрын
One doesn't just "hire Charles Tyson Yerkes". If you are willing to sell out to him for a pittance then there might be a conversation to be had.
@dodgydruid Жыл бұрын
Bloody hell and he shows my old flat in Thamesmead O.o Last place in south London I lived in Thamesmead's in the foremost tower block shown, I quite liked the place but events involving a war of drug dealers and finding one of them brown bread on my landing and I says to me missus "right, that is IT... we are outta here" moving as far west as possible but coming back to Dorset which I favoured when I was based outside Poole.
@iankemp1131 Жыл бұрын
Another fascinating piece of tube history that I didn't know. Rather like Yerkes, it sounds as if Olympia and York helped some extremely useful infrastructure get built that might not have existed without them, even though someone else had to fund it. The idea of having an option for running full size trains sounds interesting, at least from Stratford/West Ham (and points east) to Waterloo, but they would need to be full length too. Could have been complementary to Crossrail rather than an alternative? Travelled on a Sunday recently and was surprised to find Jubilee trains packed and standing even with Canary Wharf closed down. But the connection right through to the West End is very useful (and is the only direct tube connection from the London Tilbury and Southend lines).
@Redblockish Жыл бұрын
It's a testament to your sheer quality that I eagerly await new videos about a public transport system on the complete other side of the world. Cheers Mr. Hazzard!
@chriscarrollsydney Жыл бұрын
…”the complete other side of the world.” So you live south of the river then…
@richiehoyt8487 Жыл бұрын
@@chriscarrollsydneyGiven that (s)he said "The _Complete_ other side of the World", I think he must mean, not _just_ South of the river, but... _Thamesmead..!_
@michaelkinsey4649 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the Aldermen were insufficiently Boodled..... lol
@teecefamilykent Жыл бұрын
Another transport scheme I did not know about, Brilliant video sir.
@stopredlight Жыл бұрын
Did you forget about the junction and tunnels North of North Greenwich that were built with a "possible fiture" extinction to woolwich and Thamesmede? This was the word on the 4ft when North Greenwich Station opened on 14/5/99.
@stepheneyles2198 Жыл бұрын
Jago *almost* got into No. 10 but when they realised who had rung the bell they shut the door in his face!! 😅
@SecretSquirrelFun Жыл бұрын
Completely out of context comment No 2 - Whilst viewing your videos on my phone, your little logo/image, the one that appears in the bottom right hand corner, always makes me think about the television series, Father Brown which uses a similar silhouette. 🙂 Well, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it 🤣 Another great video. Such a fascinating subject with so many literal twists and turns. Thank you very much. 🙂🐿🌈❤️
@althejazzman Жыл бұрын
Extra points for including an elephant at the right time for the script.
@davidsummer8631 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like they could have built a even longer original DLR route that if not all the way to Waterloo possibly could have had stations outside of East London
@DavidShepheard Жыл бұрын
We need an underground Tower Hill Station (to replace Tower Gateway) and for the DLR to go somewhere west of Zone 1. I don't really care where it goes. The main thing is to get it out of Zone 1, so you get rid of the Zone 1 terminal station, and have the train take over some on the top track, that is under-utilised.
@SportyMabamba Жыл бұрын
@@DavidShepheard the vaults underneath The Tower of London prevent that idea. That’s why DLR originally terminated at Tower Gateway elevated station. The only way to get under the ground was to extend past towards Bank.
@leeroberts1192 Жыл бұрын
I don't think there's the room to be able to route any extension west from Bank
@SportyMabamba Жыл бұрын
@@leeroberts1192 I double checked and I think you’re right. It was the Jubilee overrun at Charing Cross I was thinking of, that terminates very close to the Aldwych branch. Not sure on the relative depths though, a connection might not be physically achievable.
@nirgunapa56 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what the longest time is between somone having an idea for a railway line and its opening? Over to you, Mr Hazzard!
@Pesmog Жыл бұрын
The Channel tunnel has to be one of the most likely candidates. I believe it was first proposed in the early 1800's and the first surveys were certainly done before 1850.
@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 Жыл бұрын
I think one of the Caesars was actually the first to suggest it.
@markwoodley712 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Canadian content, Toronto's Reichmann family were very rich on paper but their Olympia & York became known as Oy & Vey after they declared bankruptcy. Fortunately, Paul Reichmann was re-hired as Chairman by the consortium of investors who took a controlling interest of Canary Wharf because he knew the development better than anyone else.
@jaydub3867 Жыл бұрын
Jago, there is no way you are a failing company - great vids - keep 'em coming :-))
@TheWolfHowling Жыл бұрын
But, in the end, TfL did take that idea of a mainline route through Canary Wharf & the Docklands and run with it, tacking it on to the Crossrail proposal. The branch to Abbey Wood could be thought as the spiritual successor to the Waterloo & Greenwich
@alanwilton6806 Жыл бұрын
My local station is Westcombe Park and I can’t get to Waterloo East or Charing Cross directly, I have to change at London Bridge. If I ever wanted to go to Luton of course, which I have no wish to do, I can get a train directly there. The Greenwich Line is bad at the best of times and Southeastern have cut services because obviously nobody in my part of London needs to travel. We have buses but the roads through and around Greenwich often resemble a car park as the traffic barely moves at busy times.
@TREVORALLMAN5 ай бұрын
Just imagine how little the traffic will move once the so-called Low Traffic Neighbourhood schemes either side of Greenwich Park are imposed, even with the reduced hours of the roads being closed !!
@unclenogbad1509 Жыл бұрын
Ah, poor old Thamesmead. Used, of course, as the setting for 'A Clockwork Orange'. I was once informed by an ex-resident that if you want to live in a world worse than the one in Clockwork Orange, just move to the place where they filmed it. Funnily enough, I've never been there.
@pleappleappleap Жыл бұрын
I love Sunday Jago videos!
@PabloBD Жыл бұрын
More mostly failed tube lines, please
@tbjtbj7930 Жыл бұрын
Future Jagoes spotted at 2:25. Apparently they breed in the tunnels.
@MGeofire Жыл бұрын
And, you are the bigness to my smallness. Thanks to you, I can now speak in erudite manner with The Great Tubers--that is if I ever get to England. ❤
@jgodfrey546 Жыл бұрын
Great history capsule, Jago!
@ltankk Жыл бұрын
You are the Jubilee Line Extension to my Crossrail.
@brettpalfrey4665 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jago! It does rather beg the question whether private money will again finance new transport links in London..I hope so!
@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын
emirates air car service ?
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
PPI (public-private investment) was an unmitigated disaster in every area it was tried, so I don't think either major party will go anywhere near anything similar for many decades. None of the politicians listened to the bankers who told them over and over and over again that the only way any large project could be properly financed was over 20 years; the politicians wanted things done in 5 years, just in time to win the next election.
@daveharris7224 Жыл бұрын
A fascinating video. I was unaware of the proposed line to Greenwich. As you say, it would have not had enough capacity to make it work properly, as travelling between Canary Wharf & Stratford is already close to being overloaded, with the gates of Canary Wharf having to be closed to customers on a number of occasions.
@ttrjw Жыл бұрын
1. The Central London Rail study was undertaken by BR and LT. The politicians didn't like their influence so when the East London Rail Study was done this was contracted by DfT to Halcrow Fox. 2. The reason why the trains were proposed to be mainline sized for the O and Y scheme was because the ride quality and noise levels were better. 3. The developer contributions were linked to the opening date of the Jubilee Line. Because it opened late the total amount paid by Canary Wharf was 3pc.of the total cost. Remember that when you hear politicians (in the archives) banging on about.the JLE being privately financed.
@PenryMMJ Жыл бұрын
Friends, I suggest it is time we start crowdfunding the Jago line. The proposed line will run from Camberwell to Thamesmead, connecting with no other lines, and only running one way.
@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын
Limited Capacity and Poor Connections, sounds like my LinkedIn profile
@mdhazeldine Жыл бұрын
As long as it took (and it did take forever), I think London got the best outcome in the end. Patience is a virtue as they say.
@nickbarber2080 Жыл бұрын
I think the Jubilee Line Extension's connection with the existing Jubilee Line was a bit of a bodge tbh...
@davidosilverman900 Жыл бұрын
Greenwich Parkway would probably have been adjacent to Maze Hill or Westcombe Park
@stephenhester9804 Жыл бұрын
This brings back memories for me, I was working at WS Atkins when the O&Y rampage across Docklands was happening, it was a real kick in the proverbials when they went under and a lot of Work was lost (Not to mention Money)
@shrikelet Жыл бұрын
A private company looking to build a railway to move people to their development? "History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme", as Mark Twain wrote.
@halftimelordwizard Жыл бұрын
What else is an example of this? Thanks
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
@@halftimelordwizard too many examples to count really, it was a very common tactic to build new railways or new extensions to a new development. Even in the USA, up until about the 50s. In recent years there’s been some minor scandals where the developer didn’t want to pay as much as they first promised and negotiate with the government to cover more with public funds. Jago briefly mentioned a situation like that in his video on Battersea Power Station station.
@DT-hg7te Жыл бұрын
The Northern Line Extension is a great modern example.
@lorddiegocosta3307 Жыл бұрын
Jago, have you ever thought about doing a couple videos on Dublin's transport? Maybe something on the Luas/DART or on their planned metro? Always found their system was alright for a city of their size but it has some interesting quirks
@thomashrubecky1663 Жыл бұрын
If it's interesting quirks (and features) you're after, then it's Doug DeMuro you want. Maybe Mr. Jago can do a collab with Mr. DeMuro… that would be an excellent duo for KZfaq viewers! I vote "Yes" to the pair of them; may their partnership be long and fruitful!
@trevorelliston1 Жыл бұрын
Another fascinating video. Thanks.
@popeter Жыл бұрын
if they wanted mainline trains what would have actually been a decent idea would have been a spur from greenwich up to canary wharf and got paths from charring cross to greenwich on the national network
@AndreiTupolev Жыл бұрын
7:01is probably what they said when they heard the plan had been turned down
@peterjohncooper Жыл бұрын
A neat summing up as always.
@meijiturtle3814 Жыл бұрын
I used to live midway between Charlton and Westcombe Park so such a development would have been excellent for my commuting. One reason housing was comparatively cheap in that area until the 21st century was the poor rail connection to central London using the North Kent line.
@MrSmith1984 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't help that the North Kent Line has a frequency of 4-6tph, when 10tph would make a lot more sense.
@JonathanRichardsonUK Жыл бұрын
Odd to make Westcombe park a depot when it is constrained by a road AND the Blackwall Tunnel southern approach at one end, and a bridge with a Italianate house/estate owned by Jools Holland at the other. He'd have kicked up a hootenay. I imagine they would make the Angerstein Triangle (currently the Met Police car pound) a depot but it's not that big. At least Maze Hill had a disused third platform, Westcombe Park doesn't even have that. Curious where the Parkway would have gone, probably by what is now the IKEA I imagine. And no footage of Westombe Park by @Jago Hazzard? He'll have to have a fresh trip down - just a pity trains there are so infrequent thanks to the cuts.
@MrSmith1984 Жыл бұрын
@@JonathanRichardsonUK My guess is that terminating the line at Wescombe Park (presumably because that was the nearest Rail Station to Greenwich Parkway) was yet another example of why Olympia & York didn't have a clue when it came to Transport Planning, as well as the fact they wanted to do the project on the cheap. That's why only Governments have the money & strategic sense to actually build Transport Networks. Something that was the case both in the Victorian Era & Now. Regardless, if this line was ever built, I wonder how it would have affected any project to build the Millennium Dome.
@dougf94912 Жыл бұрын
This was an absolutely outstanding episode, nicely researched! @8:11 LOL 😀
@shaunonlyplaysyt9879 Жыл бұрын
“So your gonna buy yourself a tube line?”
@PokhrajRoy. Жыл бұрын
What a ‘Capital’ video, old chap! 👏🏽
@ThatScottishAtlantic57 Жыл бұрын
Great vid Jago 👍
@Andrewjg_89 Жыл бұрын
If only the Jubilee Line would of extend from North Greenwich to London City Airport and Thamesmead. And from Stratford low level to Stratford International and possibly extended further to say like Hackney. The Jubilee Line is still a ideal tube line that could of extend to the Docklands.
@Punnery Жыл бұрын
They say diplomacy is the art of letting the other person have your way; between Crossrail and the Jubilee Line extension as built, the system sounds remarkably like what O&Y had in mind. Too late to do their investors much good, of course, but there it is.
@mikehindson-evans159 Жыл бұрын
What a fascinating "might-have-been". With the Elizabeth Line now fully open in 2023 (thereby uplifting London rail capacity by 10% with a genuine main line right under London), maybe we ended up with an even better outcome, just 30 years later than might have been? Thanks for creating this video.
@seanbonella Жыл бұрын
Great video Jago
@Leonard_Smith Жыл бұрын
I ❤your paraphrasing Jago 👍
@davidosilverman900 Жыл бұрын
They did a documentary about the LDDC. It's called The Long Good Friday
@ttrjw Жыл бұрын
That is definitely hard to believe doc. Particularly the bit about bringing the OIympics to east London....
@SamSouthall Жыл бұрын
So early to this video it’s like I’m on a private line!
@14caz68 Жыл бұрын
😂
@capabilityred3606 Жыл бұрын
Nice video Jago. Keep up the great work!
@JagoHazzard Жыл бұрын
Ta!
@eekee603411 ай бұрын
I clicked on this expecting some ultra-rich Victorian nobleman's provate project. It was quite fascinating to find it was an 80s corporate proposal.
@hyperdistortion2 Жыл бұрын
A capital tale of capital capitalism! Lots of fascinating “what if” moments too, London’s railways could’ve been very different indeed.
@Sophiebryson510 Жыл бұрын
They were all private before the London transport takeover though.
@Keithbarber Жыл бұрын
As you stated, you were 3rd.... 🥉
@davidf2281 Жыл бұрын
I've not commuted on the Jubilee line for a fair few years now but that sound at 7:48 didn't half take me back
@HuggyBob62 Жыл бұрын
There's hope for the Bakerloo line extension, yet!
@isashax Жыл бұрын
Good video and good questions!
@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын
funny how the scales of development exceeded Billingsgate Fish Market
@c0wqu3u31at3r Жыл бұрын
Tube to Westcombe Park and Blackheath would actually be useful nowadays
@johnhooper7040 Жыл бұрын
Another very interesting video! I always suspected that there was something suspicious about the change from the "Fleet Line as planned and the Jubilee Line as constructed. The former would have been far more useful to existing regular tube users, relieving overcrowding on the District Line, connecting Fenchurch street stationdirectly to the tube network and a tube station in the Ludgate Hill area of the City where there are no tube stations and the possible extension to the public transport desert of Thamesmead. I always wondered if the Jubilee line was built simply to transport financial services and banking employees from Waterloo, where their commuter trains arrived from the leafy suburbs of Surrey and south west London direct to their new offices in Canary Wharf and sod any benefit a new tube line could bring to Londoners and existing commuters travelling on overcrowded trains on other routes. Seems I was right. Well it was the 1980s and Thatcher's Britain! Where money and business interests trumped improving public services.The abandoning of most of the nearly new Charing Cross station was a waste of money too
@General_Confusion Жыл бұрын
Old Charlie Yerkes would have had them all built in double quick time, no messing about.
@johnbristow8099 Жыл бұрын
As an ex LT employee (working on Victoria Line design) I found this video very interesting.
@Blade_Daddy Жыл бұрын
Such good info. Thanks.
@zetectic7968 Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall a phrase "Modern Life is Rubbish". Things go a a snail's pace with enquiries & reports plus feasibility studies. If we apply decisions over the last forty years to Victorian Britain then over half the railways would never have been built.
@JennyMingClarke Жыл бұрын
CWG as they now are, Have not I suspect entirely given up on the idea of their own railway, I live nearby to CW and certainly until the vote of 23/6/16 they were quite keen on a link to St Pancras/Kings Cross/ Eurostar even if they had to either pay for it themselves or even build it themselves. They didn't think The purple train, DLR, and Tube were quite satisfactory. Although maybe covid and home working will change the maths.
@kdisley Жыл бұрын
7:45 _"...and the bits to Greenwich and Thamesmead were lopped off."_ Probably around a quarter past ten on the first day of planning.
@davidwong9230 Жыл бұрын
The phrase too big to fail gives me an idea…get together a group to run the London Marathon in elephant costumes…we’ll detour via Elephant and Castle
@julianlineham Жыл бұрын
Always fascinating thanks
@bb3211210 ай бұрын
Fascinating 👍🏻
@richardeyers322 Жыл бұрын
yeah and another what if,and just out side billingsgate market entrance there is a set of traffic lights,many lights therewhich at one time was at a junction.
@roderickmain9697 Жыл бұрын
I guess there is still room for an extension to the extension so maybe Thamesmead might get its station....or maybe they will just rely on the purple line. I have a vague feeling that since around 1923, privately owned lines would not have been financially sound. Even with the potential traffic numbers that London commuters might have had on a such a line. But it doesnt sound as if Olympia and York actually planned for potential expansion so...too small to succeed....is a fair assessment.
@ttrjw Жыл бұрын
There's not. To extend the Jubilee to Thamesmead from Stratford you've have to cut the service between North Greenwich and Stratford. This isn't going to happen.
@___spiritofadventure___8 ай бұрын
Uk has turned simple transport infrastructure into monumental prestige projects with astronomical costs, creating a vicious circle of difficulty and barriers. We should see these things as simple, everyday projects with no need for monumental cutting-edge big-name architecture and prestige high profile and just get on and build them simply, like they do in Spain or in Turkey.
@clairejones7878 Жыл бұрын
Thamesmead sounds like an area with very poor public transport links.
@a11oge Жыл бұрын
A nice conclusion comment at the end.
@Sim0nTrains Жыл бұрын
Thamesmead, read somewhere that there are proposals to each it by building a tunnel under the Thames for the DLR, not sure if it a old proposal or a new one. Great video Jago
@nigelcole1936 Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks Jago
@fredashay Жыл бұрын
I want to go from "Isle of Dogs" to "Barking Street."
@Jimyjames73 Жыл бұрын
Interesting - but what if - we will never know!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
@shaunhouse8469 Жыл бұрын
Using my knowledge of the GWR "Parkway" stations Greenwich Parkway implies a station not really that near Greenwich
@johnhood3172 Жыл бұрын
I had to laugh, when you said Bakerloo extension, yes in the year 2199 or after matter transportation is invented . Regards JH
@drearyplane8259 Жыл бұрын
Hard to argue it would've been better than the JLE we eventually got, but it would've been pretty cool if it was built, this quirky oversized undersized privately owned Tube line
@TheEarlofK Жыл бұрын
I think it's easy to get sniffy about private finance initiatives in the development of Tube lines in this day and age and conveniently forgets that that this is how most railway networks began and developed across the western world. I well remember the Olympia & York initiative and I would argue that they largely achieved what they set out do I.e. get a Tube extension from Waterloo and London Bridge; the Canary Wharf development was never going to be viable without it and the DLR was never going to provide sufficient capacity. I think the collapse of O&Y is a 'red herring', major developments like Canary Wharf always involve large debt to be serviced and nobody could have forseen the utter stupidity of the Major government in 1992 driving-up interest rates to an astronomical 15% in the middle of a recession in an imbecillic attempt to shadow the Deutschemark; that policy crashed Sterling and drove many businesses to unnecessary bankruptcy across the Country.
@mattcannon2 Жыл бұрын
Needs more Charles Yerkes 😤😤😤
@quintuscrinis80322 ай бұрын
The irony that Thatcher's 3rd parliament turned down the W&G proposal for the risks of privately built and operated. Then the railways were largely privatised between the JLE being confirmed and finished. 😂
@davidpyott3710 Жыл бұрын
Why are the trains in London when discussed by my main line main man Jago so bloody interesting?
@leoroverman4541 Жыл бұрын
if memory serves, Abbey Wood was the nearest railways station to Thamesmead- and where has Crossrail gone to? when it would have been far better to extend/share the line to Dartford
@doublea06 Жыл бұрын
46/50, because I never heard of that Tube line.
@iancossey105 Жыл бұрын
7:52 Is that...? Has Jago accidentally recorded a visitation by the 4th Doctor?
@neilbain8736 Жыл бұрын
How curious. You'd think big private money would've got things done, but then it's Yerkes without sexy/silly moustaches anyway. I'm kicking myself for missing that Credit Suisse shot. But I suppose if you have enough B-roll footage from hanging around big business blocks, statistically some of them will turn up Trumps before long. And poor old Thamesmede is hanging out high and dry still. In Scotland there's Hawick which had a railway.