I always found it perfectly rounded out the series because it added foreshadowing to Samos' opening speech from the precursor legacy. "...Who were the precursors? Why did they create the vast monoliths that litter our planet? How did they harness eco, the life energy of the world? What was their purpose, and why did they vanish? I have asked the plants, but they do not remember. I have asked the rocks, but the rocks do not recall. Even the rocks do not recall. Every bone in my body tells me that the answers rest on the shoulders of a young boy..." Then Daxter gets turned into a precursor and spends almost all of his time from then on resting on Jaks shoulders.

I love Jak's reaction: " Oh my god. "

When my Father and I first saw this plot twist, we busted a gut laughing so hard. The set up was great, and it wasn't out of place at all for me. This series always found a way to balance serious and funny tones and keeps staying a childhood favorite of mine.

i dropped my controller when i got to this part... what a blast

You know Jak is a great game when its 2019 and videos about the series is still being uploaded on KZfaq. I will hang on to my faith that we will see Jak 4 till the day I die

One of the Precursors questioning about their states is enough to hint that they are not as great as they claim themselves to be, also this Plot Twist made a plot hole as to How Daxter turned into an ottsel with a dark eco when it was explained in the same game that it can either kill or turn into dark makers.

What makes this plot twist so unique is that it's completely weird and it's the last thing that we would think of. Awesome way of making people laugh.

The precursors are the lombaxs from Ratchet & Clank

I always ADORED this plot twist, but probably because it is presented so late into the game, it left me confused and made me question stuff that the game just didn't have time to address.

“Beware of the dark light, fore it has twisted the fate of one of you” Yo was the Precursor talking about Daxter who was touched by dark eco bro?

I'm wondering if the precursors were a metaphor for the fan perception of video game developers; I'm sure we've all had those moments where we've played a game and expected the developers to be some kind of omnipotent gods, only to find out they're pretty much just like the rest of us (or in Jak 3's case, just like the rest of us, but small and covered in orange fur). Ultimately they were a prime example of why you should never meet your idols.

i love your videos i miss jak and sly

It's a great plot twist, I never had seen a funny turn of events in a revelation before or after. The reactions where priceless, also Daxter "I'm a god...". And it at least set-up and hinted during the third game, it didn't come complete out of nowhere. The spargus monks casually talks about how Daxter resemble their creators.

I wish they continued with that plot line and we saw Jak explore the universe in the next game! It would be so cool if they give a storyline to the dark precursors becoming dark! Like a Jedi & sith Kind of thing. We would even play Jak as Mar! Nice video bro love your work man! 🤜🏼👊👍🙏

The plot twist to me fit right in place with the series. The timing of the comedy after vigors reveal on the surface endeared me with comic relief XD

the plot twist was amazing, I was kinda thinking the precursors were immortal in a certain sense.

I was really disappointed and confused when they confirmed that the percursers were ottesl

I remember first time i played Jak 3 my reaction to Precourors being Ottsels was “I’m sorry i need to drop something” Regardless Jak 3 is still my favorite in entire trilogy because of twist and gameplay

Mabye there is a possibility that the ottsels were lying about being the precursors. They may have just stumbled upon the precursor technology and pretended to be them just so they can be looked upon as godlike.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. " Arthur C. Clarke

My reaction to finding out that the precursors bring like Daxter was the same reaction to King Candy as Turbo from Wreck-it-ralph in the movie. My jaw hit the floor and like Jak i also said oh my god and also screaming out what the hell

I laughed... a lot... but not because their Ottsels... but because how Jak says "Oh my God..." everytime I hear it...

The precursors look like dexter, Dexter changed form because he feel into dark eco, so would it be fair to say the precursors could actually be the dark makings who could be twisted by dark eco but want to look like the good guys.... ultimate plot twist

I personally don't have much against the plot twist since it kind of helps to explain why Daxter turned into an ottsel plus it added a bit of humour there. Also nice Kingdom Hearts reference! 🤣

No need to complicate. Little fuzzy rats can time travel (presumably every time machine is originally theirs), that's it. Holograms are illusions, fakes. Those are not real. You'd want to fluff up the myth........... a bit. Also, Classic Naughty Dogs had the knack of rewriting plots whenever they wrote themselves into a corner. Sometimes at the last minute. That rare writing skill saved Jak 2 and Jak 3's stories from becoming completely incomprehensible. If only High Impact Games did not get the chance the write the final draft............ if only Naughty Dog completed the script.............. sadly, what's in the past is done.

Thank you for discussing this I really love jak and daxter 1! And all the others they are such classics it’s weird to say that because I feel like the games came out yesterday

Ottsels are so cute and adorable! My favorite ottsels are Ottsel Dummy, Ottsel Veger, Ottsel Surfer, Ottsel Leader, and of course... little Daxter! They're so cute!

Nice video theory. But this is how I see the hologram going through the portal means. The futures precursor when they send the hologram through the portal, I believe they where just sending information about the future to their past selfs. And that’s how they now about the future I believe.

I love that Daxter was upset that they had pants. And instead of getting turned back just wished for pants instead

I never stopped to consider what possible ramifications the twist had on the rest of the plot of the series. I took it as a fun twist, particularly considering Veger wanted to be a Precursor. Back then (and probably still) I was far more interested in the impact of time-travel on the story, since I don't think it's until late in the 3rd game that we are introduced to the idea of being able to travel _back_ in time. The Precursors always were a great lost civilization. "Where did they go? Why did they build this crap?" and I'm not certain the player was ever meant to assume that anything we saw actually was a Precursor, simply some remnant of their advanced technology. To that end, the Oracles of the first game didn't need to be directly controlled or have prerecorded messages, they simply needed to be some manner of "Artificial Intelligence" and indeed, even without the context of the later games, this was the most obvious answer as to what they were. The bigger, perhaps biggest question about the Precursors isn't anything to do with the story in and of itself. It's about their whereabouts and numbers. Certainly there are more than three of them left? How have they lived this entire time? Certainly if they were as "all seeing" as some fans think, they wouldn't get revealed in the 3rd game, unless they wanted to be found. It might be fun to think about for a bit, but the world of _Jak & Daxter_ is probably best left to simple fun without trying to figure out the plotholes left by retcons like Precursors being Ottsels.

I like when the Precursors turned Tess into the Ottsel at the end of the game.

This was a trip for kid me playing to that part. It felt like it made sense but it was a hilarious idea. Like a prank on the player and the whole universe. I would adore doing something similar sometime in my own work

I thought it was the most outrageous thing I've seen all game and I was absolutely dumbfounded.

I loved this plot twist. I remember getting to that part and seeing it. I jumped up cried what! And was like no waaaaaaaaay! I didnt see it as a cop out or dumb i thought that was the best plot twist ever. Still kind of do.

'The dark light has twisted one of you' - That's clearly Daxter. His form was created by a dip in Dark Eco...

Now this is how you do a twist that's both comedic yet still makes sense.

we need more games like this love the gameplay and cinematic not over done with a good blend of story and game play, MK11 have done this well this year

They don't need the hologram to travel through time because the precursors were already present within the planetary defence system well before the first game starts.

I loved it because it was original. The story keeps me going back for its unique twist. The people behind Jak and daxter felt like they were just like us wanting to have fun and not letting anything come before that when making it. Personally I am not big on replaying games but this one I can play forever it seems and I would love to see a sequel from naughty dog. I love the games they make but nothing ever has touched my heart like Jak and daxter. Whatever they make I am down for it because it’s what they found fun and interesting. I just hope they stay true to making a great game that follows the story and follows what it always meant from the beginning... fun....you, Jak, Dax, and the many adventures where you are rewarded with new abilities and amour and guns. Truly my favorite game and a sequel would make me so happy. Would love to hear what you guys think as well.

The voice for the hologram in jak 3, is different than that in jak 2 and the Oracles in jak 1 and 2. Maybe thats a subtle hint that the precursors were only directly using the hologram in jak 3, and in jak 1 and 2 they were probably AIs or something

And Canadian Guy Eh (which I think he was mixed on, hilarious reaction though) just finished Jak 3 last night. Cleverly timed. Now I personally liked that scene as it was hilarious, I guess because of the other characters reactions. And also because it was unexpected. Oh Time Travel why must we venture into such a complicated territory? I actually planned on doing a video about the subject (across 4-game series), but it was so confusing I don't even know if I'll get it done (or even start it).

I remember playing the game getting to this part and my first reaction being “huh?” and my second reaction being “ho so that way Sein was suddenly nice to Daxter”

OMG!!!! I never finished Jak 3!!! I din't know about this!!! It's such an awesome turn of events!!!! It's a great touch to the grim world of Jak & Daxter. I'm glad Daxter remained an otter.

That part where they were revealed I always laughed so hard 🤣

So was this the video you tried uploading yesterday? But didn't work? I'm so glad you've finally done another jak and daxter theory video. It's something I honestly felt was weird at the end of the third game. The first two games made them seem so powerful! Which kind of ruined it in some ways I guess?

Nice!

Daxter did say at the end of game 1 "Big things come in small packages."

Vtnvivi I love your content and I'd love to see you do some guides on jak 2 and 3

That plot twist was pretty cool

I personally remember not liking this plot twist, it was such a let down. Jake 3 itself was overall a let down, at least that's how I remember it.

Even after completing Jack 3 and Jack X every time I go back to the Lost precursor Legacy I always interpreted the line that one of them had their paid Twisted by dark Eco being Daxter since he fell into it and it was transformed into a nozzle they never said whether it was twisted For Better or Worse but that's just me

I said the exact same thing that Jak said, at the exact same time "Oh My God". Fricking hilarious.

I think the twist is funny and awesome

I just got back into the series and oh man here we go again, but this time round we have people who somehow have the same answers my 10year old self thought back in the day 18years ago. Now that's time travel haha 😂

I think that the precursors evolved into energy beings, and the otsils are just one species that learned how to use their tech, and tried to take their place

That was definitly a huge wtf for me when I finially gotten to the part in the story

You know in the last Jack game that came out throw the psp1 the frontier one whatever it's called they show that Dexter has the same ability to channel Eco as Jeff and when channeling dark Eco becomes larger than Jack kind of like a holt form but he's also seen channeling blue Eco ready go yellow Eco and I've always used green Eco for health

Great video, V! My reaction when seeing this scene was something along the lines of: "Oh fuck, Jak is not going to hear the end of this..." Furthermore, I think the idea that the precursors being ottsels was brilliant. The mighty beings who played God in the Jak and Daxter universe being furry little weasels was original and humorous. As for their power, I think there are a lot of unanswered questions. We can't assume that their power is mainly due to their technological expertise because we know that they created the J and D universe, but did they use the technology they had in Jak 3 to do it? I think not; otherwise, who would have created it? My theory is that they had god-like powers and developed the technology they had in Jak 3 as they progressed with the development of the universe. As for not being the most powerful beings in the universe, isn't obvious that if the precursors aren't then the dark-makers are? I mean, precursors are pretty much Gods in the J and D universe. Dark-makers are corrupted precursors, and, judging by the fact that the precursors needed the help of Jak and Daxter to "turn the tide" (implies that they were getting their sweet rabbit asses kicked) in the war against the dark-makers, we could ascertain that the dark makers are, therefore, more powerful than the precursors, at the very least. Who else could me more powerful than the precursors? The hora-quan (metal heads)? Nah. KG deathbots? Nah. So, to me, it seemed pretty obvious that they were referring to the dark makers as the beings that are more powerful than themselves. Just my thoughts in the matter. Thanks!

I like the twist. It felt like a very Jak and Daxter thing to do, it fit the humor of the series. And yeah it’s a little silly but I think it’s a very unique way of making the God species of the Jak universe stand out amongst stuff like the Forerunners in Halo or the Protheans in Mass Effect.

I realize that I'm a *bit* late, but I thought that I would give my two cents worth. The twist was dumb and way out of left field. It's just... so stupid. I get that it was supposed to be surprising, and I understand the reasoning behind it, /to a *minuscule* degree/, but I can't help but feel that a shocking twist for shock value's sake is just one of the dumbest things that you can do. It might be an attempt to mimic MIB's /tiny alien in a big mech/ (or maybe it's visa versa, I don't know) reveal seen, and it just doesn't work. It made me wonder why in the ever-loving f*ck they decided on that element in particular. When I first saw it as a kid, I remember dropping my controller and glaring at the screen, thinking "Why are these fuzzy orange rats pretending to be Precursors?" because, even as a kid, I couldn't wrap my head around the idea of the little sh!ts being near-all-powerful beings. Perhaps that has something to do with me just not liking Daxter in the first place as a kid, but that was how I felt. But about the whole precursor-totem thing, I feel like a basic AI working in conjunction with advanced facial recognition software could have been what was in play, IDK.

I always assumed the hologram going through the precursor portal was misdirection by the ottsels. It seemed to me that they never really intended to present themselves to the world. Veagers presence at the core was an unaccounted for variable that messed up their plans, forcing their reveal.

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I think they were turned into ottsels by the dark makers as a joke when overthrowing them

I always love this part kind of makes you think Daxter had precursor blood in him that's why he was able to turn into orange rat when he fell into dark eco

I would personally speculate something along the lines of the precursors originally being cybernetic and looking like the darkmaker soldiers, but normal of course. The reason that they are ottsels in jak 3 would be that these precursors got out easy like daxter after being directly exposed to dark eco. Also the subrail car thing seems too big for ottsels. Also there has to be a reason they use that mosquito creature to represent them, and i doubt that all the darkmakers are ottsels on the inside

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That blue precursor hologram is probably just a holographic communicator think of it as what they did with the wizard of Oz, the wizard was respected and feared , but turns out to be a normal person with his own way of bestowing gifts. The precursors are somewhat similar.

when i was little I've played jak 3 i Noticed that the Oracles was olttes when i played jak 1 i didn’t know they was olttes and i always wanted to know what that green thing is in jak 1 they never talked what that is they’ve talked about that purple thing in the sky in jak 3 though

I was so heavily disapointet who the hell thought this was a good idea

I remember when I was a kid I rolled my eyes and knew there wouldn’t be a jak 4 after this “twist “ I’ve kept that same energy and look 🤷‍♂️

Толстый precursor это декстер , а те двое это дети Tess и Daxter .Может быть такое ? -The fat precursor is Dexter, and those two are the children of Tess and Daxter. is it possible? *google trlst

I always thought of a game concept in the timeline of when the metalheads were introduced to the past, and jak had to go back to establish haven city. Or had to make sure the decendant of Mar then would make it out alive and be able to establish Haven city. Jak and Daxter would have to fight off the metal heads while watching the surrounding nature wither away, they have to mine the precursor Basin and under water city to establish the Haven wall, the sages add in their help before the metal heads consume it all. They start to work with the lurkers in collecting precusor metal and eco (but then betrayed as known in the future they are in the slave trade). I loved the designs of Jak1 but I'd be really interested to see how the metal heads fucked up the past that made the future to be in danger.

I think the ottsels were amazing because it shows them to be both not intimidating yet commendable in their true technological abilities. I also wonder if Daxter was blessed and Jak survived because of some sort of resistance to dark eco. I mean for Jak it was basically confirmed he resisted due to his gift, but perhaps Daxter did have some hidden potential in eco channeling or was also a chosen one. Sure he mostly followed Jak and was a reluctant hero even in the Daxter game and a few moments from the main games and Jak X, but perhaps his heart was pure enough to be blessed despite his general attitude. I feel his ego is a front both from his cowardice, and probably also to hide his general good intentions. Though the fact it took over a year for Daxter to remember to save Jak might be a wrench in that theory.

Next jak game IF POSSIBLE likely not ever but i hope SO much to see Daxter Wielding a Precursor staff XD

I’m also pretty confused when I played jak and daxter 2 and I saw a billboard of ratchet and clank in the second game. And Rachet and clank 2 ( going commando) in ratchet and clanks room in motropiles ( I think that’s how it’s spelled) on their tv it’s jak and daxter 2. Does that mean they are gonna make a game where ratchet and clank, and jak and daxter are gonna meet or what? 🤷‍♂️??

Free will vs Predestination again

Ugh man as a kid i was not happy lol still get let down when i remember

i honestly think its hilarious that they did that. i’ve come up with two (not very serious) theories about the Precursors. whether they are actually powerful or just their technology is powerful, im not really sure; but maybe they arent really ottsels, but they have the physical appearance of them due to being tainted (or blessed) by dark eco, like Daxter. another fun theory i have, not relating to the last one at all (as in theyve always been ottsels), is that Daxter turning into an ottsel was a prank from the Precursors. i like to think that, at some point, they put their DNA into dark eco to turn them into their kind as some kind of a joke. again, these theories arent very serious, and i dont really believe them, i just think they’re fun to think about, you know.

Funnily enough; I actually had a feeling that the Precursors would be Ottsels from practically the start. I mean; Daxter fell into a cat of dark eco, and of all things; he became an ottsel, and seemed to have no signs of corruption from the dark eco? I actually had to wonder even back then if the Precursors were in fact Ottsels; since I doubted that it was just a coincidence.

I think precursors are kinda like the old ones from warhammer 40k, they create life and worlds, their technology is powerfull and they can cause mass destruction with it but they still have some non human moral reason to create warriors to fight for them, I guess they would see it as one smuck = one exceptional hero = 1 life potentially lost while nukes being the 2nd option which seems to be very nonprecursor thing to do

I thought the Oracle meant that the dark light had twisted the fate of Daxter, considering he fell into Dark Eco and turned into an ottsel.

When I first saw this plot twist I said exactly what jak said "oh my god"

I remember beating the game in the 5th grade and told my friends about the plot twist none of them believed me and thought I was making it up

Maybe ottles minons hide in a ship and communicate to ottles By Communicator and hologram. To spy on jak

I really like your Videos. I prefer the theory, that the precursors were the whole time deeply in the earth under sandover village and later under Haven city, so that they didn`need to travel through time. I would underpine this, with the fact that there were precursor-temples all over the world of The Precursor Legacy.

hey vtnvivi what are your ideas on a lego jak and daxter/ ratchet & clank/ sly cooper game

Honestly, I expected them to go with the greater beings, and was hoping to see that happen. But ultimately I felt left disappointed. But I also understand why they did it.

I still... do not like this twist. The first game has this absolutely fantastic world to it, full of precursor tech and mysteries. Eco and Precursors and the robots themselves were these really awesome entities in the game and then it all becomes a gag. I find it utterly ridiculous that the whole Daxter becoming an Ocelot at the start was just him becoming a god through dark eco.

yeah, this game have the best twist when it comes to story telling is why i love it so much , not just that but the game play as well, collecting power cell and seeing all the world that you been to from far a way to going to this dark world and Jak3 sum it up , every one say that, that review Jak3 and Daxter from the psp said that their story is the weakest story but that game which is not true, every one wanted to play as daxter and we finally got it and it explain really well why in Jak2 that why daxter took so long to save Jak and with Jak3 and daxter they both have the best story and make since so i disagree with them saying its the weakest. but beside that, this is why we want a Jak4 so bad we want to know that if Jak the mar or is it some random guy name mar, in Jak3 they made some interesting twist when Jak said in the eco mind that when mar built Haven City that he must of carved out these old caves to get at the eco power and if we go with your theory that jak went back to the pass to help Mar it will make more since since onin knows Jak and in the future in JAK2 when they met again Jak say that we never met before.

what if the jak and daxter reality is just a simulated reality within the rachet and clank universe? I mean the precursors did leave a part of the world unfinished(the brink)

I ain't too sure, if they made these bein's give those mysterious messages like that in the first game then how would they realise that they would become an important matter later on when makin' sequels?

So are the precursors actual deities, or an extremely advanced ancient civilization that managed to harness eco and spread across the universe?

Next thing you know Naughty Dog development team who care about Jak and Daxter would shoot themselves from building a convoluted but lovable timeline and say “You idiots, I told you we needed a plan b!”

Okay the reveal was something that made me laugh, and was partially spoiled for me, but I'd forgotten most of it. And yeah it makes sense and is a funny twist but then it made me thinking; the whole point of Metal Kor in Jak 2 was to eat the last precursors because it was an "egg" but it's just a hologram.... Is that why the precursors were so adamant about protecting it? Because they didn't want their image tarnished when people realised it was faked? It's the only part of this that really bugs me.

If i was daxter i would beg the precursors to make me human again

God's I hated this twist... I thought it just reeked of last Minute change. It would be cool if they were a distraction. To make people THINK they were Precursor s.

I remember as a kid thinking this part was hilarious, especially since it regarded Daxter. But then, growing up and continuing to play these games and thinking on the stories, I started to become more troubled by it. Especially in regards to the Precursor Stone and what Kor knew of it. Even Vin and Samos felt it had a power not to be messed with, and if Kor was a significant ancient enemy of the Precursors, I'm not sure if could doubt his knowledge on the stone if he's feasted on the "Precursor Life force" before (unless if it was a clever deception by Mar or the Precursors). Even if what you said is true, the joke still doesn't feel as well thought out. By itself, the concept was funny, but in regards to how the story developed, I still find it somewhat problematic. At the end of the day, I don't really know what was going through the developers' heads, but I can still appreciate what they've given us.

Hey VIVI I really gotta ask you, at the beginning of kingdom hearts III before you get to the Olympus world, did you like how it said "kingdom hearts 2.9" literally after sora said "Olympus coliseum here we come!" I honestly felt really teased and bullied to be honest because the second the proper "kingdom hearts III" logo appears, after completely the Olympus world, after playing as Riku for 2 minutes and an hour long cutscenes worth of movies. I'm like "so wait a minute. This is KH3? I wasn't playing KH3 before." Do you get what I mean at all? I know it's not a big deal but it's kind of stupid and annoying when you think about it?

why hasnt the fate of gol and maya been confirmed or the issue with the dark makers been resoved yet

Me I loved i thought. Omg so that's way daxter can be smashed and blown up and be ok and are you saying they don't have powers they are just hyper intelligent somewhat like the lumbaxes