Firing your weapon after rolling, uppercutting, or during a roll-jump will autolock onto the nearest enemy!

Jak and Daxter veterans: "You use the guns?"

I didn't know people used the spin move thru the whole game, that sounds and looks kind of stupid and boring

You know, despite being the “hardest game”, for me personally, it is a game I keep returning to. Jak and Daxter the Precursor legacy is for me most fun at the beginning, Jak 3 for me is most fun at the mid point when you’re actually doing stuff. But Jak 2 is fun almost all the game for me.

Really blows my mind how people really couldn’t figure this out. I’ve figured these tips out just by playing with the combat. The hardest part of the game to me is the driving/hoverboard and that’s about it.

Thank you! It frustrates me heaps when they're like "just junp, spin and shoot" I'll admit in Jak 3 that strategy is more effective with the reflective blaster shots but not in Jak 2

The fact that, after almost 20 years, we are still talking (and playing 😁) this game speaks for itself... Also good job making this video, you deserve so much support 👏👏 started to play the game yesterday once again, I have to do so at least once a year!!

Honestly I use the constant punch strategy for the docks, and feel no guilt for it

This is the kind of in depth gaming coverage I like to see. Too many movie length “in depth” reviews of games on KZfaq barely talk about gameplay.

Recently did a one day play through of the first 3 games and I specifically tried to avoid the spin shoot play style and was amazed at how versatile the other gun were when you actually use them

The infamous onslaught in the shanty town, I realised if I had every other weapons ammo count maxed out I could only get ammo pickups for the Vulcan Fury, which can stunlock the enemies. Makes that fight a lot easier

It pisses me off to see how underrated this series is! Thank you for spreading the awesomeness of this near perfect trilogy! Always love to see a dedicated J and D fan!😄👍

Honestly, I basically never used the spin blast because it just felt inaccurate. I mostly used the scattergun and melee. If I used the blaster, it was after a melee hit to blast enemies with the 3 shots in addition to the punch, or just at long range. Interesting tips to keep in mind for future playthroughs though, thanks!

Im so glad im not the only one who plays this way, I always played it as melee from Jak 1 as possible and and only used ammo when i needed the range or when completely surrounded. Neverbunderstood the appeal of playing my just spinning and shooting, comboing attacks is alot of fun and really effective in the Jak games

You forgot to mention that the Vulcan Fury is also devastating against groups due to it's bullets penetrating and hitting multiple enemies when lined up.

I can't be the only person who hears "Slinger bastards" every single time.

Great video! Didn't realize that many people didn't up understand the game's depth. I love that you're spreading the word.

Most recent playthrough, ran out of all ammo (mostly through jump spinning) in the sewer mission and used dark bomb too early at the end and had no choice but to melee the last group of metal heads and actually made it. Was satisfying at the end but nearly went insane

I decided to replay Jak 2 recently with this strategy in mind. Not only was the game MUCH easier to play, but it felt more nature and most importantly fun! Great video!

In the docks level with crimson guards, I run with the hoverboard to the end (never touching an enemy and not going to the water ofc), it's easy and a lot of fun.

Funny never really found this game that hard besides 1 or 2 missions still my favorite jak and daxter game

the dock mission was so hard for me that i gave up trying to fight the guards and learned the route i use with the hover board to speed by the guards and the dropships so i did not have to fight them. It takes one or two try's but it still works for me today. To this day it is one of my crowning achievements

I've had trouble with Jak II in the past, but I've never thought to blindly waste ammo with spin shots, unless I was surrounded, in which case it's worth the price. But more often than not enemies are too far and are already firing on me at a distance to make the soon shot viable. That being said, I've never thought to combo melee strikes with weapon shots. It certainly looks ingenious, and will get me to continue my original playthrough. Thank you, sir!

I just replayed all 3 main games about a month ago, and I gotta say, when you play Jak II (even 3 if you ignore Beam Reflexor) with that more “tactical” mindset, then it becomes infinitely better. I guess it doesn’t help that most of the people who played the game for the first time were young kids who played the original Jak & Daxter (like me). Not to say that Jak II doesn’t have its fair share of ass-blast moments, but I was shocked how little trouble the game gave me when I played through it as an adult compared to as a kid

I think Jak 2 might just be my favourite PS2 ever. When you think about it, this game should've been a disaster. A dark 'n edgy sequel to a cartoony 3D platformer with guns, cars, swearing, a flippin' hoverboard... set in a post-apocalyptic city. But everything worked so well. Yes, I even thought hover vehicles were great. I could never get used to desert buggies from Jak 3, though. They would always spin out of control randomly.

That’s absolutely crazy, I used the actual viable strategies so much that I thought the peace maker and Vulcan were the best gun and that the blaster was for minor encounters and emergency crazy rage tactics. I didn’t use the scatter gun a lot cause it trivialised most combat when I wanted to feel like a smart combat master. I was 12 don’t @ me

It is very satisfying knowing that I figure this all out as a kid. I played this game over and over again. This is my childhood

Another thing to note from the 17 min marker, listen for audio cues like these at 14:20 (Grunts), 14:28-14:33 (Stingers and Grunt) and 14:22 (Slingers) alerting you of expected/unexpected enemies in the area or around a corner. There is another audio cue that comes up in pretty intense moment like multiple enemies in one area, but my dude went through Dead Town like a normal Tuesday morning either it never came up or its barely audible. These audio's pop-up in almost every situation, so if you hear it be ready for something.

Your videos are amazing, incredible job in this one, after all these years I had no idea you could play this way.

When in a close combat situation in a controlled space (like the one with the grunts in 11:20) I always switch to the scattergun mixed with punches. It makes you more untouchable than the other strategies and you don't need the range the other guns offer. I think the wastelander shines more when you are in close quarters in a chaotic situation, with enemies who can shoot at you (like your first encounter with Ashelin). In these situations, you have to get rid of them quickly or risk getting hit by a stray bullet. Also, the gun allows you to take care of long range enemies after you killed the close ones

I only spin and shoot if I'm surrounded by large groups of enemies

Funny thing you brought up at the end, the strategy I managed to successfully did in the most infamous mission being the Seal Piece at the Slums was using the Jetboard to make a quick escape. Basically what I did was taking out the first drop ship squad of Krimson Guards and then using the jet board to make my way around the Slums so I can prevent the drop ships let out the guards and slow me down and kill me while also making sure I don't fall off the docks and into the water where a security bot will instant kill me (I tried to get out once before the bot reach the surface but didn't worked in my favor).

Never really looked at the combat this way. I never did understand why people did the spin and blaster move never worked for me. I found myself using melee and scatter gun more often. How i usually do it is to roll jump towards the enemy with the scatter gun and fire once the jump in complete. I found this to most maybe 60% of the time the 40% with the other guns. A cool video indeed. If a may make a video suggestion could you do jak 3 as well since most people use the beam reflector +spin move a lot. if not its cool i understand the time it takes to make one of these videos. Keep up the good work.

The turrent mission on taking down crimson guards ships on hero mode was a hair puller.

As a kid I did the jump and spin and hated the scatter gun but now I love it for the very reasons you posit.

Jak 2 is for the real ones that knew GTA was for children, and needed a mans game

Watching this really made me want to play Jak 2 again. One of my all-time favorites. We need more games like this on modern platforms.

What I like about this is that the game pretty much makes the player find out about these moves while playing. Never used a strategy guide for it and ended up finding some of these moves you are discussing in this video. That was the most fun part of the gameplay.

The slide punch and shoot tactic really helped me out throughout the game.

Excellent video. Love these kinds of in-depth mechanic breakdowns, especially for games that do a poor job of teaching these things. So many players have no clue about what can be done in so many games, missing a lot of the most fun and coolest stuff.

Wow. This makes me want to give this game a second chance. I've always started a new playthrough, only to never sit and finish it. I remember being very impatient and stressed as well. (At that time...) Next time I'll take my time, be more observant, and be more persistent!!!! Maybe this game is not quite a hard as I think....

Great analysis of the combat in jak 2, I love the punch then using the scatter gun when I can and using the wastelander move with the blaster, makes me want to play jak 3 and experiment with the weapons, thats why I like borderlands so much because you can't just use one weapon for the entire game it forces you to change depending on the enemy type

It's been years since I last played and I was worried for my future trilogy playthrough. This should help make the experience much more fun. Thank you!

The fact that off camera Krimzon guards doesn't hit you with the first shot, is a really cool and fair game design choice

This was one of the first games I ever had as a kid, probably the first. All I remember is getting to some part where an alarm goes off and a tank shoots at you or something as you try to escape and I never got past it

15:31 What you actually do there is Dark Jak Bomb into the water (this destroys the submarine), then just hoverboard/swim to the exit :)

This was such a fascinating video. Not because I learned how to play the game, but because I didn't realize so many people just played through the game with the "jump, spin, shoot" tactic. Sure, Jak II, can be a tricky game at times, but I almost never relied on that 3-point trick. I guess I just figured most people played it utilizing the wide range of abilities at your disposal. Jak has an incredibly varied move set, and it's something I've always appreciated about the series. Even things like the uppercut, which like you said doesn't have much use in combat, can still be used to help you reach ledges, which is faster than a crouch-jump. Great video!

I remember having as hard time playing Jak 2 back in the game. I didn't know about these general tips on the weapons. This does help a lot. Ty for this video.

This has never been rocket science. *Red Scattergun* - used for shooting multiple enemies at close range (especially weaker ones) and useful for stunlocking enemies *Yellow Blaster* - "Jack of All Trades", deals decent damage, useful for taking out medium-sized enemies at any range *Blue Vulcan Fury* - the more "complex" gun to use, it is best used against very dangerous, very powerful enemies because it stunlocks them, but also good if there are groups of dangerous weapons that you DON'T want to get close to. *Dark Peace Maker* - the "nuclear" option, kills most everything in range, basically the BFG of the game.

Great video man, agree with all your points; they were explained really well and the examples were relevant and interesting. Really like what ya said about an enemy needing a combo move to take them down; that definitely would've incentivised learning some of the neglected combat features. I think a lot of the criticism for the difficulty is a mix of not properly introducing these combat mechanics, and the game being simply aimed at a younger audience who weren't prepared for that dock level (my younger self included ahaha)

Woaaahhh this blew up! Congrats man. I watch all your stuff. Good to see theres still interest in these games- keep the momentum going please! Jak 4 2022!

GREAT points. Love this video, thank you so much for making it

EDIT (04/01/2023): Since uploading this video, I have had some issues with how I approached the topic. While I still generally agree with the takeaway, there were some poor decisions made in the former half of the video. If you would like to see me talk about my issues with this video, I reacted to it on stream, which can be viewed here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpZhi650m7jKhH0.html -(leaving the rest of the comment in tact) Hey everyone, this video has REALLY blown up over the last few days, way more than I ever would have imagined, so I'd like to address a comment I've got several times now. Quite a number of comments are telling me something along the lines of "you're just doing the jump spin shoot wrong, because if you fire right before you land, you'll send out another 3 shots." I'm very aware this move exists, but I purposefully left it out for a few reasons. 1. If you look at the examples of reviewers doing this move, you'll notice none of them are doing it. I'd like to point to this specific spot in Antdudes video. Not only to show you his gameplay and how he plays, but also his viewpoint of how to play the game. This is the exact viewpoint I'm trying to challenge with my video, because I strongly disagree with his statement here. (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j99hp7OL1pO2fJs.html ) 2. This video isn't about examining every single move with a fine toothed comb. This is more about trying to show how interesting and varied the combat encounters can be if you're willing to try using more than just the Blaster. I would have addressed these points, and other criticisms I've been getting in the video, but I didn't feel it was necessary at the time, due to how small my audience is. I know a lot of my audience, and I knew they would like the video, but if I knew the video would reach thousands of people that I've never interacted with before, I would have made the video a bit more air-tight. I'll use this as a learning experience to improve my scripts moving forwards. Thanks for watching and leaving feedback on this video, I've had to leave aside a few hours just to read through them all over the past few days, it means a lot. And welcome to the channel! -Zeke

Now this is some good f'ing gameplay, I knew the game had depth and every gun had a unique use case but I never really dove that deep into that rabbit hole tbh. A cool strategy I thought of is if you've got low fury ammo you could use a few on the rapid fire gunners and then do a melee blaster move. Can't say I ever used the jump + spin Wastelander move while playing, I either didn't know or it just never really worked for me. I find myself using a hybrid of melee and ranged because it's closer to how the original controlled, this makes me better at melee then the average player buuut the hoard missions tended to eat me alive. :/ Your strategy for the dock mission's good but it'd end up being a ammo drain, Imo it's supposed to be a chase scene and I'm pretty sure you're supposed to used the jetboard considering you're guaranteed to have it at that point of the game. Another strategy, which is definitely not intended, is to hold X and continuously and move forward while groundpounding. When the guards get to you they'll be too close to try and shoot or taser you and their melee takes so long they'll always miss, it's not the most consistent but it's funny as hell. One thing I've done and can't prove is I've gotten 100% on Jak 1 with my left and my right hand, each on their on separate playthroughs, no mouth and no hand switching. Zoomer levels were a f*ing pain and despite being prominently right handed left handed was way easier? It was a fun challenge and now I'm kinda ambidextrous. :D

This was really informative. I just played/beat the Jak trilogy for the first time last year and I definitely forgot about the Wastelander technique right after they taught it to me, haha. I didn't know about the jump/spin/blaster technique in Jak II until I beat the game, watched some reviews and saw people doing it. I carried that into Jak 3 with me, where it was MUCH more effective once you unlock the ricocheting bullets: jump-spin-shooting still tore through my ammo but it created rooms filled with bullets flying everywhere, which was fun.

My personal favorite combo was doing the punch and then quickly jumping to chain into the uppercut and finish it off with a quick blast from my weapon. Stylish, effective, and just overall fun to use.

I'm really glad you covered this! Really well made and great video! The first time I played through Jak II fully, I honestly relied heavily on the jump-spin-shoot attack as well. I've been running through the whole series again lately and really paid close attention to the gun-training course advice (i.e. doing the ol' "Wastelander move" that Sig mentions that you demonstrate here) as well as experimenting on enemy types on my own, and lo and behold, the game is that much more straightforward. Even the docks mission was made a lot simpler through the kick-shoot move, and the Scatter gun actually does help take care of the initial crowding since they're all on narrow bridges. I think the only time the jump-spin attack _might_ ever help is in a surrounding swarm, and I'm guilty of still doing that attack frequently out of habit/laziness, but even then the standard spin-attack without the jump helps a lot. Or also just using the Scatter gun, because _man_ I did not realize how useful it was on my first playthrough. I also used a very similar method for the Dead Town mission, and surprisingly breezed through it much more easily than my first time around. The game has a good range of versatile weapons for different scenarios, and they all work pretty great! Great play styles for damn fantastic game from beginning to end.

the docks best method is just to jet board to the end, so long as ur decent on it then it only takes a couple tries

After just reading the thumbnail, I was very curious as to what you meant. As soon as you mentioned the "dominant strategy" I got a chuckle because despite hearing about it before, I didn't realize that people actually do this 😂

Most useful Jak 2 guide video on the internet. Got through the sacred site mission in one go thanks to this video

I remember that in Jak 3 you only need the Beam Reflexor and that jump spin move. But Jak II is not that easy.

So about that crimson guard docks mission... Did anyone else ever just get on the hoverboard and speed past it? I grant you, it's a total pain but it is doable.

Very well made and edited video and you can tell a lot of people effort went into it. Thank you, and I agree, people complain way too much about this game without ever properly experimenting with it

Great video! I appreciate you pointing out how difficult this game can be. Truly underrated

I can't say I ever used the spin-shot in Jak II (I did use it a lot in Jak 3 with the OP Beam Reflexor), so it's interesting to see that other people tend to get themselves stuck using it. I almost wonder if it comes from people seeing how game-breaking it is in Jak 3 and applying that logic to backwards to Jak II?

The Jak trilogy has been one of my favorites since childhood. Just found your channel, and you’re already giving me plenty of new, far easier and practical ways to play the games for my upcoming attempt to do a Hero Mode run. 👌😩 Keep up the great work, man! 🤘

For the docks mission I’ve just spammed the punch move and sort of used it as a means of moving forward and just kept going while ignoring all guards as much as possible. Since it doesn’t involve guns it doesn’t really go with your video, it’s just a strategy I haven’t seen before so I thought I’d share lol great video btw! Jak 2 was a favorite game growing up.

Good video. I have played Jack and Daxter during at least 2 days and, I rarely used the Fury Vulcan, I usually use the Blaster or Scatter gun combine with jumps. But, after I played for hours, I begin to use each of the weapon depends on the enemy or situation. Thanks for your tips and recommendations. I will start your strategics since now.

Punch to uppercut is what I use if I know I could take out a whole room without firing a shot. I have no idea why people need to persistently spin since you don’t exactly dodge attacks unlike with Punching. I’d say the shotgun is for most combat when combined with Jaks attack movements like the punch, uppercut then shoot does pretty good damage and distances you. The blaster is what I use to take out single strong targets or a small horde of medium tanky close range enemies. Kick/punch, shotgun, switch to blaster, land some single shots then kick/punch shoot for left overs. The Vulcan is my least used for prolonged combat I normally use it to stun lock and knock enemies off edges at range so I can either get close or deal with them. Purple is for boss fights... I don’t use it much XD Jak2 is my favourite. I find Krimzon Guard fights to be second nature due to my enjoyment of seeing how long I could last constantly persuade from one end of the map on foot to the other. Most of what I learned from combat came from Jak1 and so I may over use hitting over shooting when I could just shoot but it also means I normally have full ammo for when I really need it. I miss this game series. I wish I could hire a team to work on a Jak 4 using the same core materials as Jak 3 (because a lot of Jak 3 is Jak 2 with different textures) and just make another fun shooting platform game. I was thinking for game progression that Jak travels back in time to the Metal Head war where he helps with the protection of Sandover Village to when it becomes Haven City when the walls are built. It’d be a nice throwback to the first game and would make a satisfying tie... I’m rambling, good guide, I hope more people see this and learn how to enjoy the combat.

I agree with you about people saying the scattergun is "the worst weapon in the game". I think it's actually one of the most useful. People just don't realise - probably just cause it's not as "sexy" as the other guns haha

My favorite thing to when playing any of the three games was chaining combos and roll jumps to keep as much momentum and hit as hard as possible. Great job with this video I love these games to death!

Thank you so much for this video. This was my favorite game growing up, and I never beat it. I came back to it recently and was getting thrashed. I really appreciate all these tips

I missed your videos man

YES!! Finally seeing another Jak II player that sees the value in the gunplay and strategy! While I haven't watched very many playthroughs of Jak II, it would annoy me to no end when someone would say "the aerial spin with the Blaster is the best strategy to use". Granted, I didn't know these strategies in years of replay for a while, but when in one replay I considered the Wastelander spin Sig teaches you, I thought, "Maybe I'm not using Jak's combat ability to it's full potential." So then, I used the Wastelander kick with the Blaster more often, then incorporated it as well as punches with the Scatter Gun then the Vulcan Fury. From there, it wasn't long until discovered the strategies you discussed in the your video and missions that took me SO many tries only took me 1-2 tries to get through. I took such pride in it that I actually ended up more disappointed with Jak 3's gunplay when I would move on to that. I would want to use the strategies, but I actually wouldn't need to. It feels less fun when you're not given the chance to use the varieties you're given to their full potential. Thanks so much for making this info available to others!

I remember when I found out that the Krimzon Guard shots aren't just random made me feel like a genius.

Thought I knew everything about Jak's moveset, but 16:31 with the held punch vs. pressed punch is a new one on me.

I’m 24 and I still have ptsd from the slums

If only jak 4 was a thing

I only got and played the Jak Trilogy as an adult a few weeks ago and I'm delighted by this video. I forgot the "Wastelander move" about three seconds after Sig taught it to us, I had no idea you could do that jump-spin-shoot thing at all, and the Blaster has got to be the gun I turn to the *least.* I pretty much main the Vulcan Fury-pulling out the Scatter Gun for big groups of stingers and the like-but I didn't even know it was fully-automatic until my second playthrough of the trilogy because I forgot to do the gun course after Torn gave it to us. Also, because of the way the VF "shocks" enemies like that, I've never actually *used* the fully-automatic part of it on purpose even after learning about it-I just count out the individual shots it takes to kill each enemy. I love these games but apparently I'm an absolute disaster of a player who just muddles through via trial-and-error 😅😅😅

Spinny bouncy blaster is legit the only tactic needed in jak 3 though. It’s hilarious seeing an entire level of enemies wiped out in seconds

Can I just say thank you for pointing this all out. I always felt Jak 2 was better then Jak 3 objectively cause the game made you make use of everything st the right time, where as Jak 3 constantly introduces too many weapons in quick succession making the game way to easy in edition to light Jak healing giving you little excuse for failure. Jak 2 too me is just such a balanced and well designed game, and i unfortunately think naughty dog lost sight of their brilliance when making Jak 3.

Jake II was so good and underrated!!!! I loved it. I don’t think I ever did that jump spin and shoot move. Lol.

The docks mission is a jet board test. You don't have to kill a single guard.

For that seal mission, I usually get as close to the drop ship as possible and get them with the scatter gun as they drop. If they’re already dropping at a distance then it’s Vulcan time. Killing the guards early is key in my opinion. The longer you let them live, the more accurate they become

Combat for me was pretty much: "jump + spin + shoot the gun" That was pretty much a winning move. But then I went back and tried to win the way the designers intended, it was actually very awesome and challenging.

This single player game has a more evolving meta than some recent fighting online games. I miss this series

Love this video. It covers the gameplay mechanics pretty well. I can only add, that there actually is a way to be both accurate with your hits and dodging at the same time. Jak can roll or jump roll and out of these moves, the gun will just auto target when combined. And if I remember right, this also instantly allows the Vulcan to fire at maximum fire-rate. This is actually the main thing with the guns, that they will combo and track out of the majority of moves Jak can do.

Right after I'd figured this hidden depth out (I had some idea of the hidden depth before this video as the Scatter Gun was one of my lowkey favorites), the Krimzon Guard ambush for Seal in the Slums became one of my favorite missions in the game because it was one of the best combat scenarios in the game for me, like a test of what the player's learned up to that point. Initially I'd just cheese my way through the guards by punching them (I'll still do that if I'm speeding on through to beat the game quickly), but this mission is more fun doing it normally when you know the game's mechanics. Now granted, I'd been playing Jak II for years so I'd figured some stuff out but this video back when it was released had me consider more of my options as I rarely used the Vulcan Fury until after that and admittedly until the video I didn't think to use the punch as a dodge but it's a handy use for a dodge and I used melee more if I needed to conserve ammo too, sometimes even if not necessary (your mileage may vary on dodging with Punch on Ps3 since the HD collection has a rare bug where the punch sends you in a different direction than intended). I agree that the game doesn't do a good job of explaining the hidden depth, knowing this hidden depth makes Hero Mode a little easier and the Wastelander Move is more or less required if you're not cheating with infinite ammo and invulnerability or infinite Dark Jak or nuking everything outside some exceptions with the Peace Maker, but ammo drops are limited to drops from the KG to my knowledge so the drops are pretty rare unless you go out of your way to sound the alarm in the city. I found the Peace Maker is the best weapon to use for the yellow suit Krimzon Guards in the Palace since Krimzon Guards consistently drop ammo for the gun when your other guns have max ammo. I can easily say that Jak II is easily my personal favorite in the series as it has a good mix of platforming challenges (I'm someone who likes platformers a ton) and a unique gunplay that no other game on the market's tried to imitate to my knowledge, with Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy being my second favorite as it's a smorgasbord of platforming goodness. I still like Jak 3, but I can't deny that I feel it's a weaker game than Jak II due to a couple factors like the gunplay being overly simplified and no new enemies being made specifically for the new overpowered gun mods and the game deviates a little too much from the core gameplay with mini-games for my tastes (a trend I noticed in a few platformers around that time, some were better than others on that front), my favorite deviating gameplay styles is piloting the glider to a volcano and the Hellcat Cruiser to the KG robot factory missions because it's fun to fly around.

People complained this game was hard? 10 year old me is furious.

The Jak kommunity needed this badly. . . . . . You could have mentioned that rolling IS an effective way to dodge shots better, and coming out of a roll still crouched will let you aim faster and better, WASTING THE SUCKER.

The scatter gun was always my favorite, i love red eco, its so underused :D

I’ll admit I love doing the jump spin shoot combo but I agree a lot of people overlook how versatile Jak’s move set really is. I love how when you go to do a ground slam & press the jump button as you hit the ground you’ll do a high jump & still keep the spin shoot combo going.

About the jump-spinshot: that was dominant in jak 3, but holy fk is not in 2, played it for more than 500 hours and i can ensure you that punch-shot ys more effective, wastes less ammo, and misses less shots.

That's typical KZfaq analysis for you. Refuse to engage with the games mechanics then complain that it's not deep enough

It's kinda crazy just how much a lot of this stuff helps with this game. Back when I was a kid, the jump spin blaster combo was pretty much my go to for taking out enemies in this game and while that was good, I never beat the game when I was younger because of it (along with the throwaway segments being pretty big stopping points) but nowadays, I pretty much play with my first instinct being to melee every enemy I can and conserve ammo which is surprisingly not even that hard since all of Jak's face button options can be chained from a punch making him very mobile. The scatter blaster also became my favorite weapon coming back too since I love a good shotty and this one is one of the best out there. Nowadays, I just sort of breeze through this game with the only hard segments being the mech lifter segments near the end which are pretty hit or miss anyway so i'm not typically stuck on them for long.

for one i find it heartwarming to see people who still care for the franchise been trying so hard to replay it but i always stonewall at the temple on Jak 2, essential puzzle items falling through the floor or Jak/Dexter suffering a heart attack when in a chase

I never understood why people find this game so hard

Wish I watched this before I did the dock mission, very helpful, thank you

I don't always use the spin move but you can't lie in jak 3 when you get the reflective mod its really useful

Man I'll never forget the Christmas season when Jak 2, Sly Cooper 2 and Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando came out. Unforgettably amazing times