Recurve Archery Nocking Point | Tuning Series Episode 9

Recurve Archery Nocking Point | Tuning Series Episode 9 | How to find the best spot for you

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4 жыл бұрын

How do you find the best nocking point location for your individual setup? Find out in this video how to adjust your nocking points and learn the differences between the different types out there.
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@troysmith236 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate the way you break down the information.

@archer8096 3 жыл бұрын

Needed a quick refresher before setting up a new string. Jake as always, delivers superb advice. Thanks 🙏

@maximostrovskiy1986 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Jake) Thanks for doing it. All archers I know in my area use your channel for tuning and form things)

@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, the book you mentioned in this video is a great book as well. I got it yesterday. Very good book my friend. Thanks for taking the time to share and I hope you have a blessed week. Keep up the great work, this is an awesome series. Dale

@histriamagna1014 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the great explanation. Greetings from Slovenia.👍

@bradhaines5711 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. You are a legend and extremely helpful. Thanks mate.

@SteveLikeUke 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, very informative.

@brolandi 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jake, great video as always! Can't wait to get your book!

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to release it!

@stevearce1498 3 жыл бұрын

Jake is Awesome! 🙏🏽

@sirkeibner1270 4 жыл бұрын

ooooo jehaaa finaly the video i was waiting for ,,thank you jake ,,have a good one cheers

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Hope it helps.

@thedragon-gr 2 ай бұрын

Can't thank you enough for all the videos! Greetings from Greece!

@tomconaway3286 4 жыл бұрын

Another great one,,, love that you are being inclusive of the barebow community,,, Thanks as always

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@randallkadish5663 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos. Thanks so, so much.

@dennisds33 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your great video. The end is like a cliffhanger :-) I need more...

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Always have more to offer. Time is the limiting factor

@messimattracingchannel3353 4 жыл бұрын

Very very nice job. Lots of good information.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@KellyAtkinson0 4 жыл бұрын

I'm loving your videos and your Training book. Super stoked to hear a tuning book is in the works. Can you please release it as an ebook as well as paper? Hoping it will keep costs down for you and make it easier for me to read! Thanks!

@barbequeluki5676 4 жыл бұрын

You are best, Jake. You help me so much.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully I keep being helpful.

@dinnerwithfranklin2451 4 жыл бұрын

Good vid, thanks

@anthonyleger6436 4 жыл бұрын

Brass nock sets/points. I slip a little bit of shrink tube around them to prevent them from tearing up my finger tab leather.

@AlexanderMLarsen 9 ай бұрын

Cool tip, I’ll definitely try this

@chrisnoble662 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I shoot Beiter Nocks and always wondered why my tune needs a high nock point

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to answer some questions.

@blackironbarbell Жыл бұрын

Great series. I’m working my way through it for my bow/arrow tune. For those of us amateurs who still have some draw length inconsistencies would you recommend using a limb driven clicker to ensure consistent draw length when it comes time to shoot @ 30 for the fletched bare fletched bare method of determining nocking height?

@scamperstephen4811 4 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up mate

@Branthroc 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake. Thanks for the great content. I was wondering what brand of nock you would recommend? I currently shoot beiter, but this viseo has made me curious to try a different brand. TIA

@-fazik-3713 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@Gorkilein 3 жыл бұрын

Ahhh FINALLY someone that explained the reason why the nocking point has to be higher! I got basically 20 different reasons calling shops, Archery clubs, Arrow makers and so on. Archers Paradox, Limbs, don't need to.... Even to me as a beginner the reasons told to me clearly were complete bullshit...

@JakeKaminskiArchery 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to be here with helpful advice.

@stuartwolf9249 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant and informative video's. Really very helpful.I would like to ask about bare shaft tuning. Do the bare shafts always have to match the arrows you are shooting, i.e length, spine, tip weight? If you shorten your shafts to make them stiffer for example do you also modify the bareshafts?? Kind rgds Stu

@ramiethepeep 4 жыл бұрын

I can't thank you enough for finally - FINALLY - being the guy that says "a 2020 recurve setup is just not the same as a 1990 recurve setup, so why are we using tuning advice from 1990?" The tuning process is confusing enough for a beginner already! I just sat here with my mouth hanging open and my mind blown, because I shoot beiter nocks, and my nock height has NEVER been 'right,' because once I hit the top of the 'acceptable' range, I quit raising it (even though the bareshaft was showing 'nock low') and assumed that the problem was my technique. I know my technique needs work, of course, but this would definitely explain some frustrations I've had for literally years, thank you. 😭👌👍

@gilruirodrigues6268 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing so much knowledge of experience done. I would also like you to share information about strings. bowsrtring materaials, number of turns, serving size and dimension, etc.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Planning that for sure

@robertjennings9823 4 жыл бұрын

appreciate the education. I'm shooting barebow and have a slightly higher nocking point, paper tunes well. Had considered adjusting tiller to make it even.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t recommend paper tuning with a recurve. I’ll cover a video as to why eventually.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

But maybe that’s a trick for barebow?

@robertjennings9823 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery seems to be the norm for barebow. Rick Stonebraker wrote tuning for Tens for barebow, used several times with great success. Would like to hear your reasoning though.

@jrreid24 Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@williamwinter2638 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty clear info, some items way out of my league as I am just getting back into bows after 45 years. And I am only interested in bare bow. Too much crap takes the fun out of it.

@jdsalinger73 11 ай бұрын

Imagine native Americans watching this video. 😄 Nah, I love the super deep analysis. Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@agnostic47 4 жыл бұрын

Another good one from Jake. In 10 minutes you get (almost) 10 minutes of good stuff. Most other videos you get maybe 3 out of 10.

@stevemarce1988 Жыл бұрын

🙏🏽

@msrvfx Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this Jake. Now that you do BareBow, which nocking points do you recommend? I can imagine with the changing string angle w/ string walking you’d need a wider nocking slot. That would seem like a moveable nocking point would be good. At least until you discover the required width.

@roost4u 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jake, I just replaced my epic stick on arrow rest because I installed the old one too low. Now my plunger is touching the side of the arrow like it should but now I'm hitting the target 5 inches higher. Do I need to change my knocking point or just walk further down the string? Currently at 18 meters I'm walking down 1 1/8". It seems I'll need to walk down another half inch in order to shoot center. The top of my lower knocking point is 1/32" below the rest height. Thanks for all your help. You rock!

@user-td2xw7mm7k 4 жыл бұрын

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@davidhefner5668 3 жыл бұрын

Its being said there are two nocking points. Those are nocking clamps, or a set of knots. The nocking point is between them.

@gojuadorai 3 жыл бұрын

@Jake Kaminski weird question: what would have happened if youd just used the beiter knocks upside down? could that have maybe normalized your knocking point?

@everwill6088 Жыл бұрын

Does it matter whether u use a knife or a pair of scissors on tied nocking point? How big differences will there be?

@TheRastaDan Жыл бұрын

lol, I just ruined the fletching of one of my arrow, will be using this to determine my nocking point

@joshuagtrx 3 жыл бұрын

How do you like the bow tech trainer?

@Waltham1892 4 жыл бұрын

Another lesson from the school of Hard Nocks.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

🤘

@ddeboy002 2 жыл бұрын

why do you have different tiller from top to bottom? What does that do?

@adamh1497 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake ... I have nocking point really low ,but my arrows go down ,even if my bottom tiller is 0.6 -0.8mm smaller... Have aby idea why ? Bad finger pressure can cause this? I dont have more ideas 🙄😒

@maxstepaniuk4355 4 жыл бұрын

Those defects on the wall made me wipe my screen several times

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah one day there will be a set of nice cabinets back there.

@maxstepaniuk4355 4 жыл бұрын

@@leejohnson3959 Now i have holes in my screen, same as on the wall☺

@agnostic47 4 жыл бұрын

Ha Ha. I keep scrolling up because I think a pixel has gone out.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

agnostic47 I could film in 720 again 🤷🏻‍♂️

@shellyott7331 4 жыл бұрын

🌈‼this

@beachboardfan9544 3 жыл бұрын

Why does finger placement change if you're shooting a bare bow?

@philipsturtivant9385 3 жыл бұрын

Here I go again. I've gotten no further than 3:40 and - guess what - this video is going on my wish list for the "Things newbies need to know, but nobody tells 'em" Kaminski mix. It's got bow square and how to use it right, it's got tied nocking points (not brass - who knew!?) and it's got "straight line push = bad idea" Boy did I waste a lot of time shooting without understanding any of this.

@garymickus6412 4 жыл бұрын

What is your opinion on “tuning for tens” and the Easton Tuning Guide.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

The easton tuning guide is from the 80s and could use some updating. Haven’t read the tuning for tens. However I believe there is good principals in it, not sure on the methods to arrive there as I haven’t read it. Releasing my own tuning book and methodology shortly.

@user-si6fk9er8i 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake, I shoot barebow three under and a fixed string walk of one finger's width. Does this kind make the Beiter knock fit me better than the conventional symmetrical ones? Thanks.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Potentially. You’d have to look at the top tier BB shooters and see what they all shoot.

@SaneAsylum 4 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend a neutral nocking point with a two finger tab (or a mechanical release for that matter)?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Mechanical release, yes. Fingers? Depends on what the bare shaft says.

@ARABARCHERYTV Жыл бұрын

In the minute 3:38 you said it work with compound to have the mocking point at 0 angle with the string but i think no it doesn't work even the compound can be little high is depending of the archer release and other tuning of the bow

@mhenschi 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake, what a timing for this tutorial... I had just ordered my first set of Beiter nocks, which arrived yesterday. Watched your video last night. Heard your comment about the higher nocking point for Beiter nocks. Without that information from you I would have really been wondering today about what is going on with my form (never would have guessed that a nock can have so much influence). I had to raise my nocking point 1/4"!! What puzzles me is that I'm a barebow shooter with 3 under, however, I'm only crawling 1/2" below the nock for 18m indoor with my setup. So what I'm really wondering about is that the asymetrical nock should actually be made for hooking below the nock with a 3 under hook. Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those nocks? There's quite a lot of pros (barebow or recurve) shooting them as far as I know. BR Michael P.S. Thank you VERY much for all the info you're putting out!

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Good to hear. I’ll talk eventually about the nocks and why to choose different types. Quick run down is the top Olympic shooters use the beiter out nocks a lot on the easton X10 shafts because they do keep the forgiveness up a lot. However if you look at the nock wrong you’ll robinhood your arrow and your average consumer can’t afford that to happen.

@mhenschi 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Looking forward to hearing more about this. However, could you please give me a quick comment on "Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those nocks? " Also, I was surprised that I experienced having to raise nocking height, as I'm shooting 3 under. Your argument was that the "modern" way of hooking makes the arrow sit between the nock points almost symmetrical and that this is actually the reason why the asymetrical Beiter nock causes the nocking point to need to be raised. In my 3 under hooking the arrrow is pretty much sitting on the string asymmetrically, at least as much as compared to olympic style (I think you say old school) hook, where the bottom fingers have most weight/pull.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

mhenschi it’s not needing a higher nocking point because of a modern hook, it’s needing a higher nocking point due to the shape of the nock. So regardless of the hook you will need a higher nocking point with the beiter nock.

@mhenschi 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks for clarifying. So the nock style actually would suit 3under hooking perfectly but it comes along with needing a higher nocking point. This again brings me to this question "Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those nocks?" Is there a trade-off, something like nock point needing to be very high (what you experienced), which causes a draw back which is worse than the benefit the asymetrical nock brings with it.

@mhenschi 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Hi Jake, I would really very much like to hear your input on the question: "Do you see any drawbacks in having to shoot with a higher nocking point caused by using those asymmetric Beiter nocks? Is there a trade-off, something like nock point needing to be very high (what you experienced), which causes a draw back which is worse than the benefit the asymetrical nock brings with it." You said you stopped shooting them because you found your nocking point "ridiculously" high. So you must have seen a draw back in your case, since I don't believe you made that choice just because the nock point LOOKED very high.

@GatorsRock01 Жыл бұрын

Where can I buy bare shafts?

@BlasterKotakatik 4 жыл бұрын

Hey its that green ring thingy from your 3D printer behind you. What's your plan with it?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Barebow stuff.

@cszechai 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. Have you ever used a Beiter nocking point before? What are your thoughts on those?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I have. I liked them. A bit of a pain to adjust and once you move them they loosen up so you have to pay attention. Overall I liked them.

@kalumeet1 4 жыл бұрын

Do you know, that there are Beiter nocks which are straight for your style and for compound too?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Yep. But no recurve shooters use them. Well not typically

@yewahkem 4 жыл бұрын

So beiter asymmetrical should be the right choice for three-under / stringwalking then given the description?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Possibly, What do the top string walkers shoot?

@yewahkem 4 жыл бұрын

Jake Kaminski - checked with handful of top Swedish barebow shooters and half were shooting the beiter asymmetric. So definitely in use there.

@osmansalem 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake We need video on aiming

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

In the pipeline.

@osmansalem 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery what's do u mean?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Coming soon

@Haveaniceday80 4 жыл бұрын

Do you know some about target panic?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah ill put up a video on that eventually.

@daniamani5528 4 жыл бұрын

I adjusted the nocking point according to the tune, but for some reason it affected my shooting. Any particular reason why?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Need a bit more info to guess. How did it affect it?

@daniamani5528 4 жыл бұрын

Jake Kaminski not quite sure, my technique seemed fine but during release it felt like a mess

@daniamani5528 4 жыл бұрын

Jake Kaminski using beiter nocks with the modern hook

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

How much was it off that you had to move it?

@daniamani5528 4 жыл бұрын

By 5 increments up in imperial

@osmansalem 4 жыл бұрын

How to identify exactly nocking point, based on which line

@osmansalem 4 жыл бұрын

What I meant on the Tsquare

@roydoorenspleet1548 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake If my fletched arrows land 1/2 to 1 " above my bareshafts in the gold at 18m as I understand it my nockingpoint is too high but by how much? If it is a very small amount would it not be easier to tweak the tiller a smidge?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

It sounds super close. If your rest can move I’d just bump that.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Otherwise tiller can be used. I’ve done it to Prevent retying my nocking points. Haha

@roydoorenspleet1548 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks ! I thought perhaps it was a stupid idea but I'd put it out there anyways lol.. But hmm the rest - spigarelli z/t revolution bow version - I can tweak that a little too.. Rests can be a definate influence.. Friday night at the club I noticed a fellow on the line barebowing mediterranean style and heard a little rattle every time he loosed. Magnetic style rest like mine - he said it was just hitting the riser but it sounded off to me. Took out my toolkit n walked over. Rest's arm axle nuts in the block were loosish. Arm had too much play up and down at its tip. Tightened those up as much as I dared - no idea how old the thing was and did not want to end up stripping the thread. But less play.. Did not hear the rattle when he loosed anymore. And he got back to me later after the club match and said his score was better ^^

@Xtreme_Airgun_Slugs 3 жыл бұрын

How do I nock my recurve with an L ruler while using a whisker biscuit?

@leroybenjamin 2 жыл бұрын

no subtitle?

@darrenmcdougall4426 4 жыл бұрын

Captions are off again bud 😛

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

give it a bit of time, nothing I can control. should be there eventually.

@darrenmcdougall4426 4 жыл бұрын

I hear ya, it's just with the anchor vid there's still none available and I'm itching to watch it 😛 but I understand it could be a different technical problem from one vid to another - I'm not down with the KZfaq tech for captions as ya know, in my head it's just an on/off switch which is probably not how it works 😛

@076588rgn 3 жыл бұрын

C c c

@dalepaladin916 2 жыл бұрын

Ok, you lost me as soon as you pulled out a bow square, which I have no idea what it is...

@eltgima 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, it would be great if during your video recordings a separate microphone could be fixed close to your mouth. Your room acoustics is terrible and echoes are really annoying. Please invest a little bit four your followers :)

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Already ahead of you. I recorded these videos where I am wearing this red shirt, after this one I will have much better sound quality. I’m also working on acoustic panels as well. Funds are tight and I am also working on a way to supplement funds to afford more to make the experience better.

@eltgima 4 жыл бұрын

Jake Kaminski just in case of low budget this example could be taken as an option, but requires some time of course: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pqdyqbeIuN6zlac.html

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that was my plan. Saw that video not that long ago