NORTH MACEDONIA | A Broken Agreement?

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Prof James Ker-Lindsay

Prof James Ker-Lindsay

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In May 2024, a diplomatic row broke out between Greece and North Macedonia when the new president of North Macedonia, Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova, used the country's old name “Republic of Macedonia” during her inauguration. This was contrary to the terms of the Prespa Agreement with Greece-a peace deal crucial for ending a long-standing dispute over the name and for the country's EU integration prospects. As the Greek ambassador walked out from the ceremony, European Union officials stressed the agreement's importance and the potential repercussions of disregarding it. To this end, the recent actions by North Macedonia's president have raised concerns about the stability of this international peace agreement. So, could the Macedonian Government really be ready to abandon it?
The country, officially known as the Republic of North Macedonia, lies in Southeast Europe and has a diverse population of around 2.1 million. The wider region of Macedonia has a rich history that stretches from ancient times under Alexander the Great to Roman, Byzantine, Serb, Bulgarian and Ottoman rule. In 1913, the territory was divided between Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. While the Serbian-held part joined the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, it became one of the six federal republics of Yugoslavia in the 1940s. This lasted until 1991 when it declared independence as the Republic of Macedonia. However, this provoked a thirty-year dispute with Greece, which contested the name. This saw the country admitted to the United Nations under a provisional name, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). In 2018, after decades of contention, the sides reached a settlement, the Prespa Agreement. This agreement renamed the country from the Republic of Macedonia to the Republic of North Macedonia and was crucial for its accession to NATO and its ongoing attempts to join the EU. But could the new VMRO-DPMNE government be about to challenge the deal?
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VIDEO CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Titles
00:42 Peace Agreements in International Relations
01:42 North Macedonia: Location and Population
02:20 Macedonia in History
04:01 The Macedonian Name Issue
05:52 The Prespa Agreement and North Macedonia
07:02 The Ratification of the Prespa Agreement
08:43 External and Internal Reactions to the Prespa Agreement
09:42 A New Diplomatic Row over the Name
11:08 A Return to the Macedonia Name Dispute?
SOURCES AND FURTHER READING
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@auto952
@auto952 15 күн бұрын
2:20 What was that? North Macedonia is by no means related to the ancient kingdom, whose territory is almost entirely in Greece today. The territory was called Paeonia, a different kingdom. North Macedonia is not related geographically, ethnically, linguistically, or culturally to ancient Macedonia. It's very unfortunate that you made this mistake.
@Sergiovision
@Sergiovision 14 күн бұрын
Actually, genetic tests from North Macedonians prove that they have a lot of Greek DNA.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES IN SOUTH EVROPA ! ! ! ! !
@art1en497
@art1en497 14 күн бұрын
Mostly yes as a Macedonian I agree I'm Albanian , but I can argue that the territorial landmark is still the same and that won't change no matter what tricks Greece pulls. Look at the map of Treaty of Bucharest, all of that was ottoman empire territory split with the peace agreement still nobody is happy about it. In a lot of north cities of Greece they speak Macedonian. The people lived there longer than 1913. Please google a map of ancient Macedonia before commenting hard like this.
@billzhang8628
@billzhang8628 14 күн бұрын
Macedonia does actually overlap with ancient Macedonia. Along with this slavic Macedonians do have slavic admixture they also have greek ancestry. I mean could the same not be said about Egypt and Syria where the majority of people are Arabs with little cultural continuity to the historic civilizations? At least slavic Macedonians claim ancient Macedonia as part of its cultural heritage.
@SpartanLeonidas1821
@SpartanLeonidas1821 14 күн бұрын
@@billzhang8628You don’t understand. They claim to be Macedonians & that Macedonians NEVER had anything to do with Greeks. That is FALSE.
@Hadar1991
@Hadar1991 14 күн бұрын
Even as a Slav I must admit that beginning of this video is misleading. Modern North Macedonians started their history where all Slavs history starts - in the swamplands of Polesia (modern Belarus, Ukraine and Poland) and there is no connection with ancient Kingdom of Macedonia. In fact Albanians have more intertwined history with Greeks than North Macedonians have. But instead going for "we conquered territories of Alexander the Great and made it out homeland" they try to cosplay as ancient Macedonians as if they were ashamed of their Slavic heritage (for God's sake Slavs conquered half of Europe and are the most numerous ethnic group in Europe and we did it without knowing how to read or write).
@jean-luc_picard
@jean-luc_picard 14 күн бұрын
So, you are saying is that ancient Macedonians vanished in thin air, instead of mixing with incoming Slavs.
@Hadar1991
@Hadar1991 14 күн бұрын
@@jean-luc_picard Slavic success was based on cultural dominance. Slavic culture was far more self-sufficient than any more civilized one. So when crisis came and civilized countries and tribes were collapsing because they were dependent on long distance trade, Slavs, with their more primitive political organization had largely self sufficient settlements. So whenever advance political and economical structures fell non-Slavic groups face either extinction, mass migration or abandonment of their way of life. And depending on region it look differently: modern Poland was basically empty because all Germanic tribes emigrated, while in Byzantine territories cultural absorption was more frequent. But it wasn't cultural blending in more traditional way, but rather abandoning old style of life to become part of Slavic community. So while there was definitely genetic mixing, cultural mixing was rather small and any notion historical or political continuity is extremely unlikely. And this is also reason why Romanians and Albanians survived even due extreme pressure from Slavic colonization - mountain people by definition were more self sufficient than their lowland counterpart and the pressure to abandon old way of living and do it Slavic way was smaller. So Romania is a quite good example of more traditional culture blending and a counterexample to abandoning civilized culture to become part of more self-sufficient and primitive culture, as seen in other regions colonized by Slavs.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
IN MAKEDONIJA --- MACEDONIANS. Slav.... dance rok en roll .
@Anastasis-is-here
@Anastasis-is-here 14 күн бұрын
​@@jean-luc_picard Noone disappeared, Macedonia is still where it always was, in Ellas. Also many tribes of Eurasia are descendants of the Ellenic army all the way to Pakistan and Afghanistan. This "country" has nothing to do with Macedonia and Ellas, the exact opposite, the real people of the land were expelled to Ellas, having to abandon their homes and start all over, as their conqueror (monkeydonians) were very barbaric.
@alexammohostianos5631
@alexammohostianos5631 14 күн бұрын
@@jean-luc_picardancient Macedonia was Greek and nothing else… yes, 1000 years AFTER Alexander the Great Slavs mixed with local Greeks from Macedonia, Epirus, Thesalia etc… What’s your point???
@peterthesneakybastar
@peterthesneakybastar 15 күн бұрын
How exactly is North Macedonia related to the Ancient kingdom? Linguistically? Culturally? Geographically? It doesn’t seem like a helpful or even remotely accurate narrative to be spreading. Even the prespa agreement that both countries agreed on explicitly states that North Macededonia has no relation to the ancient Hellenic civilization.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 15 күн бұрын
I’m not sure why trying to break that territorial link is helpful or in Greece’s best interests either. The Prespa Agreement explicitly found a suitable compromise to both positions. It recognised the territory as the land of Alexander the Great, but also emphasises that the country’s present heritage is predominantly Slavic.
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 15 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay "The so-called Republic of 'Macedonia' [FYROM] is located in what was ancient PAEONIA." Paul Cartledge, University of Cambridge, UK
@mariosathens1
@mariosathens1 15 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay You are right professor, but the people of that country still claim an ancient identity. It is everywhere in the social media, people from Skople claim everything. So, the "Slavic identity" remained in a paper inside a drawer. As for Macedonia, the original ancient Kingdom was always a small kingdom next to Thessaly, under Mount Olympus. The rest territory is expansions, and Skopje lay in Peonia which Phillip invaded, but the most popular map is that of the Roman province of Macedonia which include Skopje, and there is the problem.
@martingelevski9509
@martingelevski9509 14 күн бұрын
It is the same area of the original Macedonian kingdom
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 14 күн бұрын
@@martingelevski9509 "Modern slavs, both Macedonian and Bulgarian CANNOT establish a link with antiquity as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian Kingdom" “Macedonia Redux”, Eugene N. Borza, in The Eye Expanded: life and the arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity, ed. Frances B Tichener & Richard F. Moorton, University of California Press, 1999
@jiggy7108
@jiggy7108 14 күн бұрын
North Macedonia celebrating Alexander the Great is like Poland proclaiming Otto von Bismarck as a national hero
@EdMcF1
@EdMcF1 13 күн бұрын
Who cares, if it is just trolling the bully next door?
@angelina1636
@angelina1636 13 күн бұрын
Repablic of Macedonia never Greek never Nord god blees new President of Macedonia.
@elenilepouri7253
@elenilepouri7253 13 күн бұрын
​@@angelina1636Just slavis
@Pavlos_Charalambous
@Pavlos_Charalambous 13 күн бұрын
@@EdMcF1 go and see how the people suffer for decades in northern Greece with even threatening text messages in the middle of the night and come back again to talk about bullying The country is literally teaching hate to their youth about their neighboring countries and are threatening them with war And you still have the Audacity to talk about bullies.
@mikele9878
@mikele9878 13 күн бұрын
He is Alexander the Macedon🇲🇰 not Alexander the greek !
@ImperatorSomnium
@ImperatorSomnium 15 күн бұрын
It's not just Greece's problem, it's also a Bulgarian problem as well, from which - an European problem. If you act like cattle, you will be treated like cattle
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 15 күн бұрын
I did the Bulgarian angle in another video and got thousands of hate comments from Bulgarians after I said that Bulgaria didn’t really understand why it was angry with the Macedonians. (Every comment essentially said that I’d didn’t know what I was talking about. Of course, they knew why they were angry. And then each one gave me a different reason for their anger. You can’t make this stuff up. 🙂 I might have to revisit that discussion again.)
@zo2779
@zo2779 15 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsaythe ol’ Balkan mosh pit
@MC-yt1uv
@MC-yt1uv 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Yeah, this is why it is so hard to untangle diplomatic issues. While we try to look at it dispassionately from the outside at the end of the day many conflicts just come down to people being angry often for ill-defined reasons based on generations of inherited hate. It is hard to solve a problem backed by mostly emotional impulses.
@Nevio857
@Nevio857 14 күн бұрын
They would be much better off if they were part of Bulgaria, and in the EU
@prodannedev5657
@prodannedev5657 14 күн бұрын
​@JamesKerLindsay You are right that Bulgaria's position hasn't been clear about what our neighbors should do exactly to get our final nod for the EU. However, I do think you somewhat trivialize the issues between the two countries, and there are many: the language, the huge number of Bulgarians with Macedonian roots(all over Bulgaria), the identity of historical figures, archeological evidence etc. Many people believe the issues are exploited by politicians (on both sides) who could instead be looking for practical solutions to improve relations. The situation is quite similar to Romania/Moldova, Greece/Cyprus, Albania/Kososvo, Serbia/R. Srpska. Lots of shared history, but separate countries. Hopefully, all will be part of the part of the EU eventually, and we will be able to overcome the silly bickering. I hope you do a follow-up video on the MK-BG-GR disputes, perhaps fact-checking everyone's claims as a neutral observer.
@salilbhatnagar
@salilbhatnagar 15 күн бұрын
I mean from what i've seen North Macedonia has no relation whatsoever with ancient Macedonia as they are not ethnically Greek so I get why Greece is mad.
@user-oi4cn7rt8t
@user-oi4cn7rt8t 14 күн бұрын
That is true! Macedonia is part of the Greek culture. Even the names Alexander, olymliada, Philip, aristotelis, and macedonia are of Greek origin themselves.
@1302VL
@1302VL 14 күн бұрын
I live in Flanders. Except that I don't, because my region used to be part of the historical duchy of Brabant and not the historical county of Flanders. And yet those in Lille who historically were Flemish and today are part of France, aren't upset by this. Besides, it would be ironic for Frenchies to be upset, since unlike them, us Flemishmen are the descendants of the Franks and we don't make a fuss about that either. Damn, sometimes I'm happy we are not the Balkans.
@MarbledKing
@MarbledKing 14 күн бұрын
@@1302VLI am not sure your case is the same as the one described here. In this case, a Slavic people who appeared 1000 years after Alexander the Great claims that descended from Alexander the Great. A people who speaks a dialect of Bulgarian tries to connect itself with a person who spoke Greek, identified as Greek and spread Greek language and culture to Afghanistan and India. Do you now get it maybe a little better?
@bunnywabbit
@bunnywabbit 14 күн бұрын
Ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks either, especially not modern-day Greeks.
@1302VL
@1302VL 14 күн бұрын
@@MarbledKing so they use an ahistorical name. Like Flanders does. And France does. And Russia does (the Rus were Germanic). And half of the world does. What is not the same about it precisely?
@razvananghel7492
@razvananghel7492 13 күн бұрын
Just a regular day in the Balkans
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 13 күн бұрын
I know I'm really not meant to laugh, but as someone who has spent decades working on the region and is a bone-fide professor of SE Europe politics and international relations, I really couldn't help it! It really is either laugh or cry sometimes!
@muslimresponse103
@muslimresponse103 15 күн бұрын
are you claiming that North Macedonia and its Bulgarian/slavic population has ties to the ancient Macedonian/Greek peoples and empire? LOL if so then you have lost all credibility and I cannot take you seriously anymore! I am not even greek by the way.
@billzhang8628
@billzhang8628 14 күн бұрын
North Macedonia partially overlaps with ancient Macedonia. While they do have genetic similarity with Bulgarian they are also genetically related to greek Macedonians.
@TheBill86100
@TheBill86100 14 күн бұрын
@@billzhang8628 ????????????????????????? Source?
@user-oi4cn7rt8t
@user-oi4cn7rt8t 14 күн бұрын
He is not even a professor. I cam here to listen to a professor and his aspect on the things, and I listened to a man making cheap propaganda.
@muslimresponse103
@muslimresponse103 14 күн бұрын
@@billzhang8628 ok then so by your logic Turkiye is also ancient Greece or Macedonia because many turks have some genetics as the ancient greeks and Turkiye has lands that once were part of ancient Greece and the Macedonian empire. LOL
@portcontainer9727
@portcontainer9727 14 күн бұрын
@@TheBill86100 The source is lower intestinal.
@xunqianbaidu6917
@xunqianbaidu6917 15 күн бұрын
It's so odd that the Macedonans extol Alexander so much when it's clear that they prefer Milton.
@KiceDz
@KiceDz 15 күн бұрын
You know what's also odd? Tianamen Square 1989. You what else? 1948 exodus and ethnic cleansing of Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia + 1926 Toponyms change from Macedonian to Greek by Metaxas + 1912 Macedonia Split between 3 countries. And Guess what, BESIDE EVERYTHING, WE ARE STILL THERE (in Aegean Macedonia, occupied by Greece), AND WE STILL SPEAK MACEDONIAN (Same goes for Pirin in Bulgaria). We've been and still are like grass weeds - No matter how much you try to eradicate us, WE WILL STILL BE ON OUR OWN LAND. I guess the "European Countries and EU" don't bother with occupied regions when the UK helped the Greeks and used Napalm bombs on civilians in 1948. But what do you know about freedom, mr chinaman 💀💀💀
@jrssww
@jrssww 15 күн бұрын
I always found that odd considering that he was a Macedonian Greek and not a Slav
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
ALEXANDER THE GREAT IS MACEDONIAN. before 25 centuries ALEXANDER TSAR ON MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
@bushido791
@bushido791 14 күн бұрын
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Alexander the Slav that started the Hellenistic period and spread the Greek language in the known world, you can’t make this stuff up 🤣
@taylorswift8700
@taylorswift8700 14 күн бұрын
@@jrssww It is ridiculous if you know the History of the region.They came in the region more they 1000 years later the death of Alexander the Great.
@frb1808
@frb1808 14 күн бұрын
1. The original Macedonian territory was smaller and more southern, its inhabitants were Greeks and spoke a northern Greek dialect related to Doric, and almost all of it is located in today's Greece. 2. It's the Romans who expanded it to include Paeonia and Dardania; this is where Republic of N. Macedonia sits right now. 3. There's no mention of Slavic migrations.
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
"Both Herodotus and Thucydides describe the Macedonians as foreigners, a distinct people living outside of the frontiers of the Greek city-states" - Eugene Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus p. 96.
@user-oi4cn7rt8t
@user-oi4cn7rt8t 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 Herodotus mentions that the Macedonians are a Dorian race, which originally lived in Pindos and later settled in the Peloponnese. The Argeades attributed their origin to the first mythical king of Argos, Timenos.
@georgios_5342
@georgios_5342 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 Nice Skopian propaganda. Unfortunately it's fake
@KonstanzArrens
@KonstanzArrens 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 Don't rely too much for your propaganda on Borza. The Slav-Macedonians, Borza viewed as a "newly emergent people" who he believed could not establish a link with antiquity because "Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom". He saw any alleged link of Slav-Macedonians to the ancient Macedonian kingdom as a product of regional political factors, and not genetic or cultural.
@user-rf5fg4dz9c
@user-rf5fg4dz9c 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 if you had ever studied Herodotus and Thukidides, you would not say these nonsense.
@martingjoni109
@martingjoni109 15 күн бұрын
are you really saying that todays Macedonia is linked to the Hellenistic Kingdom historically?!
@solsunman383
@solsunman383 14 күн бұрын
I got that distinct impression from watching this, which seems historically misleading. (And I'm not even from North Macedonia or Greece).
@randomname5338
@randomname5338 14 күн бұрын
considering he missed out a very very big chunk of complicated history in which it was Bulgarian (hell the capital was there ), then Serb and then ottoman . Then all the ethnic cleansing on the otomans behalf due to rebellions from the ethnic groups , the the Serb propaganda years . Yes he might as well say it
@ozgurd5920
@ozgurd5920 14 күн бұрын
are modern greeks connected to hellenic times really? check your bloodline you could be turkish.
@GrecoByzantine1821
@GrecoByzantine1821 14 күн бұрын
@@ozgurd5920 You are turkified islamised Anatolians, you don't look central Asian Turkic. Get your facts 😉
@GrecoByzantine1821
@GrecoByzantine1821 14 күн бұрын
​@@ozgurd5920You are turkified Greeks
@mariosathens1
@mariosathens1 15 күн бұрын
by the way, in [02:20] i guess you were confused when you said that "North Macedonia have an extraordinary History and then referred to the ancient Macedonian Kingdom etc". you wanted just to say "ancient Macedonia has an extraordinary History etc"
@hisdadjames4876
@hisdadjames4876 14 күн бұрын
One of James’s absolutely standard introductory remarks is ‘(Insert obscure or disputed people or landmass here) has a very rich and complex history, dating back to (insert distant time period here)’. Much as I love him, it’s a rather banal and meaningless ‘apple pie’ statement to make the topic at hand seem more interesting and worthy of analysis. Tell me which people or territories do not , arguably, have ‘a rich and complex history, stretching back to the beginning of time’?? This one, though I sympathise with the Greeks and respect for international treaties, is just another self-interest-based dispute between different groups of people and their populist and power-hungry leaders. Pathetic. 🤷‍♂️
@lamastu2156
@lamastu2156 14 күн бұрын
​@@hisdadjames4876Yes but it's looks like everyone dp it in purpose. Ancient Macedonians was Greeks not Slavs and ancient Macedonia is inside Greece, where is and the original region of Macedonia. There is not such things as Macedonia outside Greece. These people of 'North Macedonia' are mix of Bulgarians and Albanians who want to steal Greek history. This place of 'North Macedonia' till 30 years ago was called Vardaska Banovina
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
srbi ukrali Vardarska Makedonija. dogovor 1913 : Srbija na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Vardarska Makedonija .
@mihaliprefti2507
@mihaliprefti2507 11 күн бұрын
I noticed this error too. True, extraordinary history as slavic people, not Macedonian.
@ConTickis
@ConTickis 10 күн бұрын
THERE WAS NO "NORTH MACEDONIA" BEFORE 2018 FAKE AGREEMENT , MACEDONIA FOR 4000 YEARS NOW IS GREECE
@Stav_2000
@Stav_2000 15 күн бұрын
North Macedonia wasn't even a think back when Alexander made his Empire. It just happenes to share a name with the ancient greek empire due to them occupying part of the area that made up the original Greek kingdom of Macedon. The area though was only taken many many many centuries after. They aren't even greek they are slavs (no probelm towards the people even have some slav friends) and alexander and his empire where greek. Slavs weren't even close to a think during 300 bc
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
before 25 centuries FILIP MACEDONIAN KINGDOM ! ! !
@billzhang8628
@billzhang8628 14 күн бұрын
I mean could the same not be said about Egypt and Syria where the majority of people are Arabs with little cultural continuity to the historic civilizations?
@alfredoarroyo9201
@alfredoarroyo9201 14 күн бұрын
@@billzhang8628 No, it is not the same because there is not a North Syria or a North Egypt. Where there is an actual Macedonia, which is in northern Greece
@billzhang8628
@billzhang8628 14 күн бұрын
@@alfredoarroyo9201 Assyria only partially overlaps with modern Syria. In fact there are more Assyrians in Iraq. North Macedonia does partially overlap with ancient Macedonia.
@tommyschmierer4627
@tommyschmierer4627 14 күн бұрын
I'm Serbian and in my experience most Serbians feel like its ridiculous for N Macedónia to pretend to be the descendents of Philip and Alexander the Great.... It's just stupid ... But also I can tell anyone that the people of the Balkans are some of the most stubborn people on Earth... Lol God Bless them all 🙏... I pray that they'll figure things out tho ...
@the.macedonian4021
@the.macedonian4021 9 күн бұрын
I am suggesting to you do some research on how the Macedonians in the Greek North (that's what the region was called until 1988 when it was changed to Macedonia) during the Metaxa regime cυτ out the tongues of some Macedonians if they heard them speaking in Macedonian.There was also a secret ροιice eavesdropping on people under the window because their language was forbidden even in their homes
@user-xs7rw2uh5b
@user-xs7rw2uh5b 7 күн бұрын
Израиль получил поддержку от самого неожиданного места в мире Сейшельские Острова - это не только место для пляжного отдыха и красивых фотографий, но и хороший друг Израиля и одна из немногих стран, которые поддерживают его в этот трудный период войны в секторе Газа. Недавно на Сейшельских Островов можно было увидеть выражения сочувствия и поддержки Израилю. На христианском параде, который прошел на улицах столицы Виктории, жители и школьники танцевали с флагами Сейшельских Островов и Израиля. Поддержка Израиля наблюдается на фоне рекордного количества израильских туристов на Сейшельских Островах. В апреле не менее 2579 израильтян решили провести отпуск на Сейшелах, что сделало Израиль одной из основных стран, из которых туристы приезжают в островное государство. В апреле Израиль оказался на четвертом месте по количеству туристов на Сейшелах среди всех стран мира. Только из Франции, России и Германии на Сейшельские Острова приехало больше туристов, чем из Израиля. В 2023 году на Сейшельские острова прибыли 12 945 туристов из Израиля, что поставило Израиль на восьмое место в мире по количеству туристов, посетивших страну в прошлом году. Среди всех азиатских стран Израиль находится на втором месте по количеству посетителей Сейшел - уступает только Объединенным Арабским Эмиратам, причем из Израиля на Сейшельские острова приезжает больше туристов, чем из Индии и Китая вместе взятых
@driftboogie
@driftboogie 3 күн бұрын
Ако ме разбираш значи си Българин.
@Ali-bu6lo
@Ali-bu6lo 12 күн бұрын
If these guys are so obsessed with claiming the heritage of Alexander and ancient Macedonia then they should just stop speaking Slavic and adopt Greek, they are only ridiculing themselves by their weird claims.
@tsuchan
@tsuchan 15 күн бұрын
But let's suppose North Macedonia did get in to the EU with its new name. There's absolutely nothing to stop it checking the name back, is there? No Chapters of the Acqui will have been broken, not anything even to sanction the state.
@professorquarter
@professorquarter 14 күн бұрын
Yep. There was no enforcement mechanism of any kind in 2018. I honestly don't see how they join the EU without at least some sort of mechanism now unless the new government in Skopje grovels, which they won't do. Maybe a future NM government will be willing to grovel.
@Wolverine-ky9gk
@Wolverine-ky9gk 14 күн бұрын
@@professorquarter We don’t even want to be a EU member only Kovacevski and his party are obsessed with EU membership.
@EdMcF1
@EdMcF1 12 күн бұрын
Greece might insist on some form of exception, a bit like Denmark's little tweak to the Maastricht Treaty allowing it to ban (cough) Germans from buying holiday homes in Denmark.
@tsuchan
@tsuchan 12 күн бұрын
@@EdMcF1 That was a Denmark opt-out, applied within its own country, not applied on another country. And although it's true that it was protecting itself from holiday home buyers of its neighbours Germany, it's not a ban on foreigners buying those properties but a ban on non-residents buying them. If they become tax-paying residents, Germans can buy the properties. (Canary Islands resident here: holiday homes were not just an issue for Denmark then, but are a contemporary issue for various places today, huh?)
@mihaliprefti2507
@mihaliprefti2507 11 күн бұрын
The so called North Macedonia should be properly and rightly called West Bulgaria.
@dragankokunesoski1514
@dragankokunesoski1514 13 күн бұрын
I m proud Macedonian, my DNA is J2a which means that my ancestors lived in Macedonia forever. My parents and grandparents are from Ohrid, Republic of Macedonia and we have nothing common with Greeks and Bulgarians. Long live Macedonia !!!
@limazulu6660
@limazulu6660 13 күн бұрын
Yes, this is why you watch Bulgarian videos, comment and understand everything and politicians and TV interviews with no translators. Yugoslav propaganda as usual...
@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn
@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn 13 күн бұрын
"...In human genetics, Haplogroup J-M172 or J2 [Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subclade (branch) of haplogroup J-M304. [Phylogenetics 2] Haplogroup J-M172 is common in modern populations in Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Southern Europe, Northwestern Iran and North Africa. It is thought that J-M172 may have originated between the Caucasus, Anatolia and/or Western Iran.[9][10]...".
@dragankokunesoski1514
@dragankokunesoski1514 10 күн бұрын
@@limazulu6660 I even dont understand bulgarian, just english and macedonian language.
@Invictus_Mithra
@Invictus_Mithra 15 күн бұрын
I'm neither Greek nor Bulgarian just someone interested in history and geopolitics but it seems like North Macedonia is a nation of roleplayers lol. Especially adopting the imagery of Alexander when he lived way before the Slavic migration to the area. I do wonder though about if Greece throwing such a fit over the name is the right approach. Like they could just let them keep the name and use it as an opportunity to try to spread more of their culture and influence into the area instead of riding on their historic influence of the area.
@MarkVrem
@MarkVrem 15 күн бұрын
I think it goes deeper. I just watched the intro so far. But it got me thinking. There was a province of Macedonia in the Ottoman Empire. It just so happens that the only area of that once province that is free, is North Macedonia. Maybe the Greeks and Bulgars fear their territories of Macedonia could be inspired to be sovereign also. Not sure.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 15 күн бұрын
And how are the Greek and the Bulgarian part of the modern geographical region of Macedonia not free?
@Invictus_Mithra
@Invictus_Mithra 15 күн бұрын
@@MarkVrem I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the Greek region of Macedon identify as Greece. I'm not sure about Bulgaria though but if that were the case, wouldn't the people in Greece/Bulgaria that want to unite with North Macedonia be more vocal? It really doesn't seem like that is the case or that there is a North Macedonian majority in those areas
@Odyssey05
@Odyssey05 15 күн бұрын
I understand your mindset, but you cannot portray a nation’s people as “roleplayers” if we simply follow our culture and historical heritage, which is rooted in the Ancient period of Macedonia. Our ancestors praised the conquests of Alexander the Great and the glory of Macedon in countless works. Ancient Macedonia has been used as a symbolism for freedom from Ottoman captivity by the Macedonians themselves. The symbolism of the Ancient Macedonians has been maintained throughout the 2,000 years after Alexander the Great’s reign, being engraved in our flags, coat of arms, religious sites and our tradition. We have not simply adopted the imagery of Alexander the Great, we inherited it from our ancestors instead.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 15 күн бұрын
@@Odyssey05 The Vergina Sun and all other ancient Macedonian symbols were not used in North Macedonia before the 1990's. Neither ancient Macedonian names like Alexander or Philip, neither folk song and other relative cultural elements. For example, the "Bulgarian Folk Songs" of the Miladinov Brothers in 1861, and other literary product before the 1990's speaks nothing about ancient Macedonia
@olivka7560
@olivka7560 14 күн бұрын
I am sorry but you confuse things. Macedonia as geographical location and an old Greek population has nothing to do with current North Macedonia, who are Slavs/ Bulgarians. It’s like saying USA has a rich history of of Siberian and Asian people who are known as Clovis people thousands years ago.
@piotrberman6363
@piotrberman6363 14 күн бұрын
Why USA is named after an Italian cartographer is a convoluted story...
@ilijaandrevski2749
@ilijaandrevski2749 11 күн бұрын
By that logic "New" Greek population doesn't have much to do with ancient one either. Some stayed and mixed with new people and others migrated, same as Greece or any other country.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
MAKEDONIJA EXIST 25 CENTURIES from FILIP KING ON MAKEDONIJA. germans make Blgaria before 140 years. Greece before 190 years.
@itsorganic7739
@itsorganic7739 15 күн бұрын
If you overlay a map of modern northern Macedonia with ancient Macedonia, there is basically almost no overlap. Macedonia is and was part of what would be considered the Greek/Hellenistic cultural sphere that would be inherited by the modern day state of Greece. Northern Macedonia is just a bunch of Bulgarians with an identity crisis, their languages are basically the same. I don’t know why they’re so desperate to claim the heritage of Macedonia when Bulgaria also has a rich and long history.
@ozgurd5920
@ozgurd5920 14 күн бұрын
yeah and turkey should named hitites. lmao. 2k years ago.... dude. this is madness. a lot of migration periods happened. ancient people and cultures are gone.
@itsorganic7739
@itsorganic7739 14 күн бұрын
@@ozgurd5920 The turkish people even in their own founding myth do not consider themselves as being indigenous to anatolia, (even though a vast majority of Turkey population is). They're arguments that could be made on cultural and linguistic lines, not just ancestral and ethnic ones. Difference with North Macedonia is they do not have any those.
@ozgurd5920
@ozgurd5920 14 күн бұрын
@@itsorganic7739 anglo-saxons were not british yet they claim they are british and they protect stonehenge etc right? so why not macedons cannot create their identity by their current place? and why greece getting hurted by this?
@itsorganic7739
@itsorganic7739 14 күн бұрын
@@ozgurd5920 No one really claims to be an "Anglo Saxon". That term is largely used in reference to the germanic invaders of the british isles from the early middle ages. The reason why that term endured is because most of what would become england became the domain of the anglo saxons, while the older cultures on the island like the romano british got pushed back to places like wales and cornwall. Over time these people began to consider themselves English once the country was unified, and eventually British as their control over the other cultural entities on the island was expanded. "Anglo saxon" as a term today is really only in reference to the linguistic heritage of the English language. The germanic invaders spoke what is known as "Old English" which was an anglo saxon/german dialect. That langauge eventually evolved into the english we have today on the british isle over centuries of change and cultural influences. The basis of that language though is still its Anglo Saxon Roots
@ozgurd5920
@ozgurd5920 14 күн бұрын
@@itsorganic7739 so is it so different than macedons or even ottomans at this point? history is not solid thing mate you can bend it as you want.
@Jonra1
@Jonra1 15 күн бұрын
Macedonia has a long and rich history, North Macedonia has not. It's just slavs cosplaying as Greeks.
@DutchOrBelgian
@DutchOrBelgian 15 күн бұрын
They are the same region divided by old immigration and language.
@martingelevski9509
@martingelevski9509 14 күн бұрын
Half of Greece is Slavic
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES speak Macedonian language .
@petar4968
@petar4968 14 күн бұрын
That's like saying greeks are turks cosplaying greeks
@albertbradley7820
@albertbradley7820 14 күн бұрын
According to a German historian, today's Greeks have no internal ties with the ancient Greeks and Hellenes. Current Greeks are a mixture of Slavs, Albanians and Romanians.
@kosmicheskiprah
@kosmicheskiprah 13 күн бұрын
James, I have 2 simple questions. Have you been to Alexandria in Egypt? Because I did various times and can assure you they all consider Alexandar the Great as Greek and use the Arabic word Al-Yunan (just like Turkish Yunanistan). You will see Greek writings in many places. This script cannot be read by today's North Macedonia. Also why is the modern Macedonian language the closest to Bulgarian and not Serbo-Croatian? 🙂
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES ARE MACEDONIANS ! ! ! ! !
@kosmicheskiprah
@kosmicheskiprah 11 күн бұрын
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Have you been to Alexandria, Egypt? Yes or no?
@vandergruff
@vandergruff 10 күн бұрын
The modern Macedonian language was created in 1945 by Venko Markovski. It’s essentially a dialect of Bulgarian.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES speak Macedonian language ! ! !
@kosmicheskiprah
@kosmicheskiprah 9 күн бұрын
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Reply. Have you been to Alexandria, Egypt? It is a simple question.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 15 күн бұрын
I have followed this situation closely for many years. However, like many others, I thought the two countries had finally resolved this dispute. But it seems not. So, do you think that the New Government in North Macedonia will try to revoke the Prespa Agreement? And what will happen if it does? Or will it just continue to undermine it in other ways? And what will Greece and the EU do if it does? As always, I look forward to hearing your thoughts and comments below.
@vovac8915
@vovac8915 15 күн бұрын
What is the ethnic origin of your surname Ker? Is it celtic or so? Welsh or Cornish maybe?
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 15 күн бұрын
@vovac8915 Close. Scottish! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🙂 But I also have Welsh and Irish (and English) ancestry.
@Todd.B
@Todd.B 15 күн бұрын
As an American I simple cannot fully understand this issue of heritage. All my life I've been told, there's a little bit of this nationality and a little bit of that one, I simply don't know what it's like to have not just one, but one that goes back for centuries. I can't reproduce that connection. Disputes over heritage only I find fascinating.
@iliyadimitrov4915
@iliyadimitrov4915 15 күн бұрын
The North Macedonian government has been trying to forge a distinct identity and the Prespa agreement distorts the image they have been painting. While some people are ok with this distortion, many other cannot accept the fact that they have been deceived since childhood or simply admit they have been wrong all along. The pendulum has now swung and the balance of power is in the latter's favour. Let's see how long will they keep it. P.S. It's the Balkans and thing are never straightforward.
@FlamingBasketballClub
@FlamingBasketballClub 15 күн бұрын
Russ Roberts host of EconTalk podcast should do a episode on political correctness and hypocrisy of the political commentary community. 👌🏿
@josojelic8414
@josojelic8414 9 күн бұрын
Makedonien soll Makedonien auch bleiben!...sto zele Grci?...Dali je Filip Grcko ime?Ne..dli je Aleksander Grcko ime?Ne...i tako dalje...Otac i Sin Makedonski stvorili su Makedoniju..Ne samo to,nego i Aleksandriju u Egiptu...Grci mogu bit sretni Sto TITO nije uzeo cijelu Makedoniju do Soluna...Makedonija je stara zemlja i ponosna...Ja se divim novoj Predsjednici Makedonije sto zeli Makedoniju kao Makedoniju a ne Sjevernu Makedoniju kao Provinciju jedne Grcke i EU...EU je dosad napravila toliko zla / ova EU sa Frankoistom Borrellom i U.v.d.Layen te sa Napoleonom iz Pariza i Co/.. na kraju,Makedonija nek se prikljuci BRIX-u to je Buducnost...Srbija i Madjarska su to shvatili..Kina,Rusija,Indira,Arabische Länder su buducnost svih koji Ne zele biti Sluge Anglosaxonaca i Pjetlova iz Pariza te Pijanih Engländer i Njemaca...zivijela Slobodna Republika MAKEDONIJA...
@vasilzahariev5741
@vasilzahariev5741 15 күн бұрын
Not just Greece, but Bulgaria too.
@user-ct1nu9od9y
@user-ct1nu9od9y 13 күн бұрын
Vrati se doma vo Tatarstan.
@user-kt3bq8uc8y
@user-kt3bq8uc8y 13 күн бұрын
@@user-ct1nu9od9y Учи история...вие сте българи...
@Free_Russia_in_the_EU
@Free_Russia_in_the_EU 9 күн бұрын
@@user-ct1nu9od9y, bro, the fact that Bulgarians got their ethnonym from the Turkic tribe of Bulgars doesn't mean that Bulgarians are Turks and they should return to Tatarstan... Russian also got their ethnonym from the Scandinavian tribe Rus, but this doesn't mean that all Russians should return to Scandinavia
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
germans make Blgaria before 140 years.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
@@user-ct1nu9od9y POZDRAV ! ! Tatjana od MAKEDONIJA
@DuckDodgersWannabe
@DuckDodgersWannabe 15 күн бұрын
I admire your courage, Professor. Diving headfirst into the Powderkeg that remains the Balkans is not good for one's mental well-being. Still, there must be discussion about such sensitive matters. Calm, polite and reasonable analyses such as yours are all the more required, considering how emotionally charged these situations are .Hope you are faring well!
@NYAndreas
@NYAndreas 15 күн бұрын
If North Macedonia decides to ditch the Prespa Agreement, some folks in Greece might take this as proof that the far-right was right all along-that the agreement really wasn't in Greece's best interest. This could give far-right groups a boost, especially in Northern Greece where these identity issues are hot-button topics. We'd likely see this issue pop up a lot in upcoming election campaigns, with far-right parties playing up nationalistic feelings to rally more support.
@dibaskg
@dibaskg 15 күн бұрын
It’s not Far Right Greeks who have been screaming for years that the Prespa Agreement was a disgrace, it’s GREEKS that have been screaming so even before the agreement was signed. Every single poll the last two months before the signing, showed that more than 80% of Greeks were against it, because we felt we were selling off a hugely important part of our history, especially us up North, in Macedonia. The fact that the Far Right has indeed kept the issue at the top of their agenda ever since (I’m guessing mostly for political reasons, and not because they are… fantastic patriots), does not mean that it’s just a bunch of neo-Nazis who oppose the agreement and dream of seeing it annulled. That’s actually what disgusted me the most back in 2018; the government not only closed their ears to a whole country YELLING against the agreement, but they even went that far as to call all of us who were against it, “extremists”! “Extremists”!!!!! That’s the very definition of having to prove that you are not an elephant...
@jean-luc_picard
@jean-luc_picard 14 күн бұрын
@@dibaskg After your logic, 80% of the Macedonians from North Macedonia were against the Prespa agreement too. Then we can call them extremist too. If both sides are unhappy, then the agreement must be good thing.
@navigator0950
@navigator0950 13 күн бұрын
​@@dibaskg A good agreement is the agreement where both sides are equally dissatisfied
@THEGreatGM20
@THEGreatGM20 10 күн бұрын
The signing of the Prespa agreement was political move the incubant PM of Greece signed, as he knew he would be loosing upcoming elections. What you call "North Macedonia" is not geographically, ethnically, linguistically connected to the empire of Alexander the Great. "Macedonian" Is a slavic language that has nothing to do with Alexander the Great in any way. Calling themselves "Macedonia" is just an attention seeking move to distinguish themselves from other slavic countries.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
MAKEDONCI 25 VEKA govorat Makedonski jazik ! ! ! ! !
@THEGreatGM20
@THEGreatGM20 9 күн бұрын
@@tatjanavelkova5814Yes the Greek language in the GREEK region of Macedonia has been spoken for many centuries.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
@@THEGreatGM20 MAKEDONIJA E NA MAKEDONCI . f a s' i s t.
@THEGreatGM20
@THEGreatGM20 9 күн бұрын
Ok so you are saying that I am a fascist because I support my countries province. You can call yourself whatever you want but "Macedonian" is not one of them. The self entitlement you have is crazy. This is absurd, imagine Greeks suddenly saying that they are the descendants of the Mongol empire. It makes no sense whatsoever. Macedonia is Greek and your ethnic group just happened to settle in a region close to GREEK Macedonia(not in Greek Macedonia) and you decided that you wanted a part of it. You have nothing to do with Greece since you have a slavic background. I think it's crucial for us to embrace our heritage and thus you should embrace your Slavic background and be proud of it instead of trying to interfere with Greece.
@warrenschrader7481
@warrenschrader7481 15 күн бұрын
I like how the Prespa Agreement is described as a "peace agreement." It seems like war.....war never changes.
@Anastasis-is-here
@Anastasis-is-here 14 күн бұрын
Not a single person likes it. It is selling away Ellenic heritage and history. Trump should give them Washington ot New York if he wants these people in NATO.
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
no it is not
@Stefan_Mileski
@Stefan_Mileski 14 күн бұрын
That was a mistake. When Macedonia declared independence there was no war with Greece.
@Anastasis-is-here
@Anastasis-is-here 14 күн бұрын
@@Stefan_Mileski Macedonia IS Greece
@Stefan_Mileski
@Stefan_Mileski 14 күн бұрын
@@Anastasis-is-here Germany is France?
@generalmarko5968
@generalmarko5968 11 күн бұрын
It's quite important to mention that when you talk about "the history of Macedonia", it means the history of the region Macedonia (not the country), which includes the territories in North Macedonia, Bulgaria, Greece, potentially in Serbia and Albania as well. Furthermore, President Gordana instead of using "President of the Republic of North Macedonia", she said: "President of Macedonia", which is kinda concerning too.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 13 сағат бұрын
na istok od MAKEDONIJA E PIRINSKA MAKEDONIJA. na jug od MAKEDONIJA --- EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
@ec1480
@ec1480 15 күн бұрын
North Macedonia is quite an interesting country, they are essentially Bulgarians that Serbians convinced into believing that they are ancient Greeks. Much of the claiming of ancient (Greek) Macedonian history only began under Yugoslav rule or independence. I guess it's the only way that the state could form an identity for its people as a nation, similar to Western Europe during the rise of state-sponsored nationalism over a century ago. Such a silly thing to threaten EU membership over too
@chegayvara1136
@chegayvara1136 15 күн бұрын
Not exactly. The Serbs before 1945 were adamant in convincing them they were Serb (many were; Bulagrian and Serbian exist on the South Slavic language continuum and many villages in what is now Macedonia spoke Serbian, although most spoke Bulgarian). The communists in Yugoslavia were not Serb dominated and the idea of a seperate Macedonian identity was designed to weaken Serb influence within Yugoslavia by having another equal republic made from Serb territory like Montenegro. By seperating Montenergo and Macedonia (and Bosnia) from the Serbian political entity within Yugoslavia you went from a large political sudivision that massively overshadowed the Croats and Slovenes to six total republics you could have some kind of accord between. The Croats and Slovenes were dominated by the much larger Serb entity in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia which would have been untenable in a communist federation led by a non-serb. Keep in mind Tito was half Slovene half Croat.
@peterthesneakybastar
@peterthesneakybastar 15 күн бұрын
As a Greek, it’s honestly kinda flattering how much they love and glorify Greek history despite claiming it’s not Greek whatsoever lol. I believe they are biggest victims here and I wish them all the best.
@Highball1417
@Highball1417 14 күн бұрын
You have no idea what you're talking about, please never mention North Macedonia ever again.
@VersedNJ
@VersedNJ 14 күн бұрын
@@Highball1417 North Macedonia.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
@@chegayvara1136 MACEDONIANS ARE MACEDONIANS. jedi c'varke.
@carli2302
@carli2302 14 күн бұрын
The so called Greeks that live in today’s Greek Macedonia are not native to this region. After the greek civil war they were brought from asia minor and have displaced the native macedonians, who were banished by the greek state. Also, they stole their properties. This is the main reason why Greece is so vocal abot this seemingly nonsensical issue. They don’t want you to find out the truth. It has nothing to do with whether we are descendents of the ancient macedonian kingdom. I still have relatives in agean macedonia and hopefully the truth will come to light soner than later
@giorgismaximos8662
@giorgismaximos8662 14 күн бұрын
Save your propgnda for yourselves and respect what you've signed The truth is in front of you but you've been told so many lies
@Yalbou
@Yalbou 14 күн бұрын
In the 1800s the greek orthodox church hellenized a lot of vlach, albanians and macedonians into "greeks". After the balkan wars and the greek civil war they also assimilitated and hellenized macedonians in aegean macedonia. They had to import christian turks from turkey and place these "greeks" in aegean macedonia to make it "greek". What a joke that people believe modern greeks are direct descendats of ancient greeks. The romanians, armenians and egyptian coptics have more in commen than ancient greeks than "modern" greeks
@giorgismaximos8662
@giorgismaximos8662 14 күн бұрын
@@Yalbou I've answered above Genetic studies prove it and historical evidence prove the Greekness of Macedonia Btw Vlachs are Greeks
@SGHowe
@SGHowe 14 күн бұрын
Hahaha you are a little bit confused.... Greek civil war 1945-1949. The Greek populations that you mention arrived in the region from Asia Minor in 1922! Please study more!!
@carli2302
@carli2302 14 күн бұрын
@@SGHowe I don’t have to study, I have first hand experience, unfortunately
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 15 күн бұрын
“[FYRO]Macedonian nationalism, as distinct from other South Slavic peoples is, moreover, a relatively new concept, introduced and encouraged by dictator Josip Tito, upon the creation of a separate Macedonian Republic within the Yugoslav federation in 1946. Prior to this, the area generally known as Vardarska banovina (the district of the Vardar river) was considered simply an extension of its southern Slavic neighbors, either Serbians to the north, or Bulgarians to the east. Slavs arrived in the Balkan Peninsula only in the 6th century AD, and therefore have nothing to do with the well-known classical kingdom of Macedonia, which dominated the rest of Greece, the Near East, Egypt and Persia under Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE.” Encyclopedia of World Geography, Volume 1, 2006, p.564:
@professorquarter
@professorquarter 14 күн бұрын
It was encouraged by Tito and the communist east more broadly for a variety of reasons, but he certainly didn't come up with Macedonianism. IMRO or some permutation (VMRO claims descent from IMRO) existed before communist yugoslavia.
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 14 күн бұрын
@@professorquarter It existed from the late 19th - early 20th century only for a very limited number of educated elites who up until that point hadn't even created a concrete idea of what it really meant to be "macedonian". Only during Tito's rule "macedonism" reached the average person who according to numerous sources up until that point self identified as Bulgarian, Serb or Greek...
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@professorquarter Tito ? ? ..... u titov endek.
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 15 күн бұрын
".. do not forget Greece, Alexander ..It was for her sake that you launched your whole expedition, to add Asia to Greece .." Arrian [Anabasis of Alexander 4.11.7] «.. τῆς Ἑλλάδος μεμνῆσθαί σε ἀξιῶ, ὦ Αλέξανδρε ἧς ἕνεκα ὁ πᾶς στόλος σοι ἐγένετο, προσθεῖναι τὴν Ἀσίαν τῇ Ἑλλάδι ..» Ἀρριανός [Ἀλεξάνδρου Ἀνάβασις 4.11.7]
@universetraveler5826
@universetraveler5826 10 күн бұрын
Professor, I’m struggling to understand the part of the video that is pointing out the Roman territory of Macedonia also included Ancient Macedonian history beforehand. Is this to point out why modern Macedonians should want uphold the Prespa in some way? Or is this to show people (especially many Greeks) that North Macedonia does somewhat have a connection to the ancient kingdom so they should stop being so stubborn about the name? Or maybe you’re just merely informing us the historical background so people understand where the name dispute stems from, and calling it “rich” in an effort to satisfy both sides? I genuinely don’t know.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 10 күн бұрын
It is to show why Greece is unhappy about the appropriation of Greek history. Frankly, if I hadn’t included it, there would have been a lot of angry Greek viewers arguing that I had whitewashed the Greek heritage of Macedonia. It is a no win situation. And I think it possible to say that Macedonia, however defined, has a very rich history - a highly contentious rich history. That’s the problem.
@universetraveler5826
@universetraveler5826 10 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Thank you. That makes sense. I think because of the way your video transitioned from North Macedonia to the Macedonian territory, a lot of people are completely misinterpreting this part as you stating something like “the unique Hellenistic history of the modern country of North Macedonia is where the history of Alexander/Macedon belongs (not really Greece despite being Hellenic)”. I believe this misunderstanding is 10 times more likely to get rise out of Greek viewers, history buffs, etc. than whitewashing allegations.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
@@universetraveler5826 MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES. Greece 190 years.
@Kalimdor199Menegroth
@Kalimdor199Menegroth 3 күн бұрын
@@tatjanavelkova5814 North Macedonian history, 30 years. Greek history, 3600 years+
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 Күн бұрын
MAKEDONIJA EXIST 25 CENTURIES. Greece 190 years.
@IvayloTod
@IvayloTod 14 күн бұрын
James.... I see that you are adding a smiley emoji when referring to some of your previous videos on the topic and feedback you had. I think you shouldn't do that since for many folks on the Balkans, these issues are still very real and important. I'll give you my perspective (as a bulgarian who wants nothing but warmth, friendly, and mutually supportive relations between bulgarians and macedonians) on why Macedonia keeps having issues with its neighbors. Today's Macedonia is a brand new country, only 30 ish years old. However, not only the country, but generally the macedonian nation itself is brand new (on the scale of European history) emerging during the 20th century as a split from the bulgarian nation. As every new nation macedonians are looking and in pursuit for identity. Identity that will firmly establish the modern country of Macedonia and will differentiate them from the neighboring nations. To do that, they took the path of borrowing big chunks of the Alexander Ancient Kingdom's history and bulgarian medieval / renaissance history. Naturally, neither of the neighbors liked that. If macedonians admit the fact that they are young, newly emerged nation, they won't have any issues with their neighbors. Of course i understand that nobody "owns' the history in such sense but they are objective historical facts from which we can't and we shouldn't escape.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
Thanks. I put the emoji in there because I received 7000 abusive comments calling me a liar when almost every one of those comments actually reinforced my point. More to the point, I have worked on the Balkans for many decades. I know how seriously people take these issues. And that’s the whole problem! They are taken far too seriously. Indeed, politicians across the region rely on people taking them seriously to distract them from all the other problems they face. So, while understand why you argue it is serious, I remain sceptical. And having received so much abuse, I reserve my right to treat the subject with a degree of humour. More broadly, my problem with Bulgaria’s approach to the Macedonians is that it shows a profound lack of understanding about psychology. I accept that the Macedonians were indoctrinated by Yugoslavia. I said as much in this video. But if someone is told to hate you the way you get them to change their mind is by being gentle, patient and kind. You don’t go in and say “I’m your friend, but unless you accept that I will be really unpleasant”! It is a bizarre way of behaving. And yet that is, in essence, Bulgaria’s approach.
@IvayloTod
@IvayloTod 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Bulgarian approach currently is not only absurd, but I'll call it even anti-bulgarian, since it does nothing but harming the relations we have with Macedonia. The approach was different 5 years ago and I'll try to speculate why this is happening now. About 30-40% (if not more) of bulgarian parliament is currently taken by pro russian parties. Some of them simpatize with Russia, others are out right funded by the Russian state. And if we take a closer look we will see that these parties and politicians are exactly the ones who are constantly stirring the pot, having anti-macedonian rhetoric, acting nationalistic and voicing anti EU opinions. It's not much different in Macedonia where the biggest political party, who's also anti-bulgarian, just happened to be part of Vucic, Orban and Putin's team. So yes! Surprise, surprise......, just like in many others places in Eastern Europe where we have problems and tensions, here we can also see the long russian arm interfering. Why they do that? They just found an easy tool to stop the further EU enlargement and preventing another country of becoming a member. The bulgarian VETO has very little to do with history issues and a lot to do with corrupt politicians and russian geopolitical games.
@billyblioumisfilmlibrary1820
@billyblioumisfilmlibrary1820 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay You can not really change peoples mind. People from all sides are kinda brainwashed so it is almost impossible to change any mind. People get really emotional… :) . Research is the key …. (from valid sources)
@golden7811
@golden7811 12 күн бұрын
Ukraine doesn't exist from 1991, just because before that point they were a part of the Soviet Union. It's the same exact point with Macedonia. We are not "borrowing" any chunks of history from no one. We used to participate in all of it and in creating that history. Some of the history that you mentioned, like The First Bulgarian Empire from the medieval ages, we did not only participate in it, but at one point where the heart of it. Just because we decided to split now and decided to join the allies instead of the axis, that doesn't erase our former existence.
@noIMspartacus2
@noIMspartacus2 12 күн бұрын
The name game regarding FYROM has gone from absurd to almost obscene levels of duplicity and betrayal... First off, it's time to stop all these pathetic attempts to "re-write" history. Macedonia and Alexander's legacy was and always will be Greek, carved in ancient stone and marble for all the world to see and that NO AMOUNT of pathetic geo-political games can change - let alone erase.. The FORMER Yugoslav (so-called) "republic" was and, unless some common sense prevails, always will be a sad state of affairs. The main reason that the ridiculous "claim" by the bulgaro-skopjianovski leftovers of FYROM has not succeeded in hi-jacking the ancient Greek name of Macedonia is that, despite all the cynical and hypocritical "realpolitik" games going on in the region, there are REAL world issues and historical facts that cannot be avoided. This is why all the "angry demands" and "claims" by these hi-jackers of history which, when seen all together, only manage to contradict themselves or end up in "indignant" yet baseless and historically absurd "arguments" and fake statues, costumes and "symbols". But what is even more absurd and shameful is that any self respecting person or "organization" would give any of these claims any credence. It is also why the UN and EU are - in the very least - still insisting on a compromise on the name (which is far more than this fabricated mish-mash of a country deserves) as regrettably, it is deemed that such a settlement will serve other interests in the region. Greece though, for historical but more crucially future geo political reasons, should NOT compromise on the "new name" and how it is used. Given the current "attitude" in the FYROM, they should now even renounce this fraudulent "treaty". It remains a sad state of affairs when a bunch of bulgaro-skopjianovskis - that are mostly a left over from the Balkan wars and Tito's clumsy attempts of territorial gains and access to the Mediterranean sea - try to hijack the ancient Greek name of Macedonia in a pathetic attempt to give themselves a false "identity". Something which was clearly exposed by then US Secretary of State Edward R. Stettinius in 1944, stating in no uncertain terms that: "This (US) government considers talk of Macedonian “nation,” Macedonian “fatherland,” or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece." This reality remains even if there has been a shift in some quarters of crude US "policy" in the region. Subsequently, this sad and latest episode of these displaced Bulgarians - who also have to deal with a large Albanian minority with their own agendas - is more a case of 'the mouse that roared' (with the cynical "support" of those with rather devious agendas in the region) than a case of legitimate "claims" to any so-called "ethnic" identity. Slavs, by the way, did not even arrive in the region until AFTER 600AD and - as their first 'president' Gligorov rightly said - have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alexander and Macedonia! Further more it should also be made clear that even Bulgaria - despite it's past and present agendas - doesn't recognize the existence of "slavo-macedonians" in the so-called republic!!! - quite rightly considering all FYROM "skopjianovskis" as Bulgarians. On the other hand, the heritage, cities and monuments of Alexander were, are and always will be GREEK, carved in ancient stone and marble that no devious or pathetic attempts to re-write history - or any brown nosing those who indulge in so-called "great games" in the region - can change, let alone erase. If the "supporters" of the FYROM genuinely want a solution to the serious problems and stability of this "country" and the Balkans, it is time to put a stop to this nonsense and deal with the realities of not only the region but also the very serious and very REAL WORLD social-economic and environmental problems that we ALL have to face in THIS century. Just look at the fracking hell of a mess the ponzi/casino "economies" of the so-called "united" states of america and king-CONNED-om are in - AGAIN!!! Given the relentless and ever increasing climatic disasters, it would also be wise to remember that Mother Nature does NOT do "bail outs" or "quantitative easing"...
@beatavitasv
@beatavitasv 15 күн бұрын
Engaging with historical retrospectives on North Macedonia requires acknowledging the impact of the 1934 Comintern resolution. It significantly influenced the (forceful) development of Macedonian national identity. Thoughts?
@beatavitasv
@beatavitasv 14 күн бұрын
Ignoring the 1934 Comintern resolution and CCCP/Soviet history overlooks a key factor in shaping current North Macedonian politics. #BalkanHistory en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_of_the_Comintern_on_the_Macedonian_question
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
MACEDONIAN IDENTITY 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP .
@user-oi4cn7rt8t
@user-oi4cn7rt8t 14 күн бұрын
Macedonia is part of the Greek culture. The names (Alexander, Philip, olympiada, Aristotelis, Macedonia, etc) are all of Greek origin. In Greek language this names have a meaning, but in slavic they are random translated words. Even the era of Alexander's campaign was named as HELLENISTIC(GREEK) ERA and not a macedonian or slavic era, or sametihing. The scripts, coins, texts of that period are all in Greek and not in slavic. Why? The macedonians participated in Olympic games, where only Greeks could participate. Macedonian kingdom was connected with Greece and not wuth tha slavs coming into the region in 7th century.
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
"Both Herodotus and Thucydides describe the Macedonians as foreigners, a distinct people living outside of the frontiers of the Greek city-states" - Eugene Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus p. 96.
@user-oi4cn7rt8t
@user-oi4cn7rt8t 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 Herodotus mentions that the Macedonians are a Dorian race, which originally lived in Pindos and later settled in the Peloponnese. The Argeades attributed their origin to the first mythical king of Argos, Timenos. 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@user-oi4cn7rt8t
@user-oi4cn7rt8t 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 Macedonians participated in the Olympics, only Greeks could participate back then. Great Alexander's Era was called worldwide as HELLENISTIC (GREEK) ERA, not something else. Macedonians spoke Greek we can understand their texts in Greek. So, what are you talking about??🤩🤩🤩
@user-rf5fg4dz9c
@user-rf5fg4dz9c 14 күн бұрын
​@@Love78787Do not mention Herodotus in our discussion because you have never even touched a book of him. I read Herodotus in Greek and i can understand. Can you do the same????
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
@@user-oi4cn7rt8t The Macedonians had Macedonian pagan religion that has nothing to do with the greek that is why there are Macedonian games at Dion. ''the ancient Macedonians were part of a local pantheon which included Thaulos (god of war equated with Ares), Gyga (later equated with Athena), Gozoria (goddess of hunting equated with Artemis), Zeirene (goddess of love equated with Aphrodite) and Xandos (god of light).[135]'' 😋
@gorkan6427
@gorkan6427 14 күн бұрын
Големо ни е името, ќе сакаат да ни го земат!
@user-kt3bq8uc8y
@user-kt3bq8uc8y 13 күн бұрын
Е да не кажем,че българското е по голямо име ...Какви гърци,какви македонци...??? Има само България...!!!
@Ecoman365
@Ecoman365 10 күн бұрын
Е па, да! Името ви требе да биде Пеоно-Дарданиja. Поздрави од американски потомак на македонски БУГАРИ од Солун!
@user-kt3bq8uc8y
@user-kt3bq8uc8y 10 күн бұрын
@@Ecoman365 Името ни е тракобългари...!!! Ако още незнаеш...
@GS-pf8kf
@GS-pf8kf 15 күн бұрын
2:25 I am surprised you stated that North Macedonia is anyhow linked to Alexander the Great. The cornestone of the Prespa Agreement is that North Macedonia will refrain from claiming any connection with Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonian symbols.
@MarkVrem
@MarkVrem 15 күн бұрын
Maybe I got this wrong, but watching the intro to do this video. There was the Ottoman Province of Macedonia. That got split up between Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria, and it just so happens that the only sovereign -free part of that former province is the Serbian one. Umm so there is like a concept there that these people grew up in the past seeing themselves as Macedonians, because living in that province. No idea.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
IN MAKEDONIJA EVERYTHING IS MACEDONIAN ! ! !
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
@@MarkVrem There was no Ottoman Province of Macedonia. They never used the name. The Turks called the area the vilayets (provinces) of Selanik (Salonica), Manastir (derived from the Greek name Monastiri, now known as Bitola), and Kosovo.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@MarkVrem MAKEDONSKI NAROD 25 VEKA od KRAL FILIP . zuj... u Nis'ava.
@anirudhparthasarathy3387
@anirudhparthasarathy3387 14 күн бұрын
Good Morning James, It is often disappointing these days when a historic agreement is reached and with a change in administration in one of the parties involved, it gets revoked - as it happened with the US Iran deal. That said, I am curious with one of the terms you used - 'peace agreement'. To the extent I know, the two sides were never engaged in violent conflict ? Is it common to use this term in the context? In order to not trigger emotions in the comments section, I would take one of the most obscure 'disputes'- in future if Portugal were to dismiss its claim on Olivença against Spain, would it be considered a peace agreement given these two sides were never in active conflict over it? Have a good weekend.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
Thanks Anirudh. I think we can call it a peace agreement. Agreed, we do tend to think of peace agreements as being linked to violent conflicts. However, I the term can be applied to other situations where there is a serious point of dispute that is resolved. After thirty years of tensions, which even ended up before the UN and ICJ, I think this qualified as a peace agreement. :-) I hope all else is well at your end.
@LordInquisitor701
@LordInquisitor701 13 күн бұрын
It’s kinda hard to call a peace agreement when no one actually agreed on peace
@agmg3059
@agmg3059 12 күн бұрын
I whant to state something Many in North Macedonia citizens dont like the agrement then goverment made it cause it was promised by Brusseles if i remember correctly and French President and then Cancellor of Germany Angela Merkel supported by the US made promise to start ascension talks with North Macedonia for the European Union which we know it didnt happen cause of the Bulgarian Veto,and now we can see how the European Union undermined itself when it came to the agreement.and the people felt betrayed and cheated and felt the naming issue didnt bring us any good thing.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
MAKEDONIJA 25 VEKA e vo JUZ'NA EVROPA . od FILIP KRAL IV vek pred ovaa era i denes XXI vek ! ! !
@sk.43821
@sk.43821 10 күн бұрын
​@@agmg3059 Those stpd Slavs of North Macedonia should find a new name for their country which does not relate to Macedonia at all, i.e. Lower Slavia.
@mariohristov9967
@mariohristov9967 11 күн бұрын
Hey dude, what are you talking about: “North Macedonians are speaking south Slavic language”!?!? The language is Bulgarian, the name of the country is Greek. This country is Soviet communist creation. But “south Slavic language…” Sure, USA and Canada are speaking Western European language, how about that?
@Ved000000
@Ved000000 10 күн бұрын
The SFRY is not Soviet. Macedonia was given its modern identity by Lazar Kolisevski, member of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia and the partisans that liberated Yugoslavia from Nazi filth.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 6 күн бұрын
MAKEDONCI 25 VEKA govorat Makedonski jazik ! ! ! ! !
@smsppns
@smsppns 14 күн бұрын
The question is (as with other treaties): are there ways to protect what has become international law against potential violators? For instance, North Macedonia joined NATO as part of the deal with Greece, yet there is no possibility that it would loose its position in the alliance should it decide to depart from the Prespa Agreement. So what is it that protects an international agreement? When an individual breaks the law, there are immediate and very precise consequences. But the consequences for a state breaking international law are very vague, thus making international law weak in its implementation
@dzonikg
@dzonikg 14 күн бұрын
Macedonia gained nothing from NATO,ony became poorer
@Petelko2695
@Petelko2695 13 күн бұрын
Before the Prespa Agreement, there was a another agreement in 1995, which established the provisional name FYROM for usage in the UN and on a bilateral level between Macedonia and Greece. This agreement had a clause that Greece would not block Macedonia's membership into international organizations. Greece violated this agreement in 2008, by vetoing Macedonia's NATO membership. In 2011, there was an ICJ ruling that Greece violated the agreement. The democratic and law-abiding international community (UN, NATO, EU, etc), took a very good reading of ICJ ruling, and told Macedonians that we can wipe our bottoms with it. Based on that, any other ruling on the matter will have similar weight.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@Petelko2695 FYROM ? ? CREP .
@aleksandarabas6618
@aleksandarabas6618 14 күн бұрын
tell me who's maps (or which maps exactly, not just surface readings) you used to reconstruct this and I will tell you
@stri2003
@stri2003 14 күн бұрын
The only purpose of the Prespes agreement was to enter Northern Monkeydonia into NATO and was fostered by the U.S and by Germany. It was never meant to be a real solution to the problem . They just kicked the can forward! Now its time for the next episode, however the job is done since N.M is part of NATO.
@dzonikg
@dzonikg 14 күн бұрын
USA was rushing to surronding Serbia with NATO its reason they bring Montenegro and Macedonia to NATO with out referendums
@Yalbou
@Yalbou 14 күн бұрын
Cope turk boy
@alkishadjinicolaou5831
@alkishadjinicolaou5831 14 күн бұрын
Professor I think at around 2:20 you made a mistake calling the ancient kingdom of Macedonia as "North Macedonia"
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
Thanks. Unfortunately, this seems to becoming up a lot. I said that North Macedonia has a long history. This should not be contentions. We routinely refer to the history of countries long before they existed. Greece is a great case in point. We talk of its long history, even though it only became a state in 1830. But referring to the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia doesn’t mean that North Macedonia is some sort of direct successor to that. That would be illogical in every way. But it was necessary to raise the kingdom in order to explain why the current disputes between Greece and North Macedonia have arisen. Sadly, some appear to want to read this as suggesting a direct link. I didn’t say that. And it never entered my head that it could or would be interpreted in that way. Thanks for pointing it out. I just wish that many others had done so in a polite way. Instead they have been throwing abuse. Sadly, to non-Greeks this will only reinforce the view that many Greeks are unpleasantly irrational on this issue.
@alkishadjinicolaou5831
@alkishadjinicolaou5831 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay As a Cypriot Greek I would agree with my compatriots or other Greeks who are angry on this issue. It's like calling England a Spanish province or something as ridiculous as that. There are limits to what one can listen to or read about and not reply. Therefore it is prompt to correct things so that they are not misunderstood my anyone. Thanks.
@andresmartinezramos7513
@andresmartinezramos7513 14 күн бұрын
@@alkishadjinicolaou5831 Based and Mary Tudor-pilled
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 13 күн бұрын
NOTE: It seems it was a problem with the translation. I have also now edited the video to correct any misinterpretation.
@AJSrbin
@AJSrbin 13 күн бұрын
There never was a peace agreement - the voter turnout for the referendum achieved only a mere 37%, but yet it was somehow pushed through by the EU and US backed political opposition. The phrasing of the referendum is also inherently flawed being: "Are you in favour of European Union and NATO membership by accepting the agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece?" What if an individual supports EU membership, which Macedonia still hasn't been granted, but opposes a name change? What if an individual supports a name change, but opposes NATO membership?
@alexandrosnaoum1318
@alexandrosnaoum1318 14 күн бұрын
EU accession? North Macedonia like other countries in Europe (as in whole world) have a nationalistic and populist government. Since they couldn't able to secure the sweet money of Brussels and just stay out licking the ears of their voters. Many other countries in EU with similar governments would like to do leave but since they are in, it is soooo sweet the funds (and have see the example of Brexit) to say no and leave.
@GreatMK.Forever
@GreatMK.Forever 13 күн бұрын
By George Zarkadakis As a kid growing up in Greece in the 1970s, I had to learn not one, but three Greek languages. First, it was the demotic parlance of everyday life, the living words people exchanged at the marketplaces and in the streets. But at school, we were taught something different: It was called "katharevousa" - "cleansed" - *a language designed by 19th-century intellectuals* to purify demotic from the cornucopia of borrowed Turkish, Slavic and Latin words. Finally, we had to study ancient Greek, the language of our classical ancestors, the heroes of Marathon and Thermopylae. We were supposed to learn "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" in the original, by heart, in case some time machine transported us back to Homeric times. As it happened, most of us managed to learn none of the three, ending up mixing them in one grammatically anarchic jargon that communicated mostly the confusion of our age.
@georgestylianou5671
@georgestylianou5671 14 күн бұрын
You actually associated North Macedonia with Alexander the Great and his Hellenistic empire in your introduction? Do your homework Professor, the North Macedonians who identify as Macedonian are Bulgarian speaking Slavs, not Greek Speakers with a Greek identity like Alexander was. Furthermore, the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia was centered in what is now the Greek province of Macedonia. They are Slav Bulgars who have robbed a history and identity that is not theirs.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
Seriously, I’m not sure how many times I have to say this: if I didn’t mention it, the reasons why Greece was so upset about the issue of Alexander wouldn’t have been understood to outsiders. And if I didn’t mention, you would have been furious that I was whitewashing the link between Greece, Macedonia and Alexander. I was also clear that the modern Macedonians deal a South Slavic language and that the identity was essentially constructed by Yugoslavia. Seriously, this is why people became so frustrated with Greece on this issue. One couldn’t win. And it seems one still can’t!
@petar4968
@petar4968 14 күн бұрын
That doesn't change the fact that we WERE WE ARE AND WE WILL BE ALWAYS MACEDONIANS, no one can change that
@Petelko2695
@Petelko2695 14 күн бұрын
​@@JamesKerLindsay the Macedonian identity was not constructed in Yugoslavia. The idea of a separete Macedonian identity rose after the 1870s, when Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia started competing for Ottoman Macedonia. After WWII, the Yugoslav government just recognised its existance. Macedonians living in Macedonia have both Slavic and ancient heritige. Legends and customs dating back to antiquity are still strong among Macedonians. We speak a Slavic language, but our culture is closely tied with the Eastern Mediterranean region.
@georgestylianou5671
@georgestylianou5671 13 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Professor, some things are just factually inaccurate and that was. I know you mentioned the rest. I don't personally care if anyone got frustrated with Greece. The fact is Greece and those who have the right to claim a historical connection to ancient Macedonia, as in the Greek speaking population of what was historical ancient Macedonia, were/are being robbed and unfortunately, appeasing, some would argue traitorous, elements in the Greek elite, have compromised history and reality by giving a Bulgarian Slavic people the right to use even the term North Macedonia as a description for the state north of Greece's Macedonian province, and the right to label a Slavic Bulgarian dialect as a Macedonian language. Its disgusting; a perversion of history and identity and will no doubt cause all sorts of tensions going forward.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES speak Macedonian language .
@mikhailkochev285
@mikhailkochev285 14 күн бұрын
The new president did not call the country The Republic of Macedonia. She called the country “Macedonia” Please correct your video.
@Brian-----
@Brian----- 15 күн бұрын
You would think that North Macedonia, a small landlocked state needing development, would do everything possible to reasonably get along with and integrate with neighbors.
@randomname5338
@randomname5338 14 күн бұрын
evidently you've never met the stubborn people of the Balkans
@user-uw7yb6qq6h
@user-uw7yb6qq6h 14 күн бұрын
Getting along with your neighbours doesn't mean they can decide the name of your children.
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
@@user-uw7yb6qq6h Sure, names like Branko and Goran. Sounds like the Serbs name your children.
@user-uw7yb6qq6h
@user-uw7yb6qq6h 13 күн бұрын
@@sirbobloblaws The Slavic language group is the largest language group in Europe. Deal with it.
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 13 күн бұрын
@@user-uw7yb6qq6h I have little issue with Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Bosnians, and most others.
@Stefan_Mileski
@Stefan_Mileski 14 күн бұрын
Just a few corrections. The new Macedonian president signed the Presidential oath with the formal new name the 'Republic of North Macedonia'. However, she verbally didn't say 'Republic of North Macedonia' when repeating the oath. Instead, she just said Macedonia instead of 'Republic of North Macedonia'. It was the common practice of previous President Pendarovski to verbally say either Macedonia or North Macedonia and Greece never complained. There is nothing wrong with this. It's like a politician from the United States saying America instead of the United States of America or a British politician saying Britain instead of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This is just a storm in a tea cup, just another Greek politician being a typical drama queen ahead of elections. You forgot to mention that after the name was changed in the parliament contrary to the will of the opinion as expressed in the referendum, there was a veto by France to stop the opening of EU negotiations with Macedonia. The French then found another country to do their dirty work in Bulgaria. The Russian supported Bulgarian President was happy to oblige by carrying out his Russian and French orders.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
Thanks. I did in fact explicitly cover the referendum and noted that it failed to receive the required threshold. As for the name, I accept that people may make mistakes occasionally. It happens. And they may even use a shorthand. Britain is wrong, it should be the United Kingdom, but many politicians use it. But the new president was making a very clear political point at a crucial moment. She knew exactly what she was doing and the effects that it would have. It would be as if a new King used Britain in his coronation after having been given the words United Kingdom to say. This would send out a very clear and powerful message.
@Stefan_Mileski
@Stefan_Mileski 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Yes, you mentioned the referendum. You didn't mention that following the name change, France was the first country to veto the start of Macedonia's EU negotiations. You only mentioned Bulgaria's veto, which followed the French veto. The real problem for Greece wasn't not the name, the problem was that an independent Macedonian state might start pushing for the minority rights of the ethnic Macedonians in Greece. Konstantinos Mitsotakis (the father of the current greek PM) said that he 'doesn't have a problem with the name but doesn't want to create a second minority problem in Greece' (he considered the ethnic Turks to be the first minority problem).
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
@@Stefan_Mileski There will never be a minority issue. The majority of Slav-speakers in Greece descend from Patriarchists who supported the Greek cause over the Bulgarian cause. The Rainbow Party that claims to represent this so-called minority has never participated in a Greek national election, and it's no accident that the party's founder was educated in Belgrade during the communist era. The idea of Greece recognizing a Macedonian minority within a Macedonian majority is as ridiculous as it sounds, and no outside power will ever attempt to impose that on Greece. A few supporters in a handful of Florina villages (a very tiny portion of Macedonia) can get Rainbow funding from some lunatics in Canada and Australia, but that's about it.
@gnazlis
@gnazlis 13 күн бұрын
It's like the President of the United States repeating the oath by saying "President of Tijuana" or "President of Ontario".
@Stefan_Mileski
@Stefan_Mileski 13 күн бұрын
@@gnazlis No, its like the American President saying that they are the President of America.
@hisdadjames4876
@hisdadjames4876 14 күн бұрын
It’s encouraging that the EU and broader international community should show respect for a formally-agreed treaty between Greece and North Macedonia, however it was made. To do otherwise would make the world order even more chaotic and dangerous than already it is. 🤷‍♂️
@noIMspartacus2
@noIMspartacus2 12 күн бұрын
The name game regarding FYROM has gone from absurd to almost obscene levels of duplicity and betrayal... First off, it's time to stop all these pathetic attempts to "re-write" history. Macedonia and Alexander's legacy was and always will be Greek, carved in ancient stone and marble for all the world to see and that NO AMOUNT of pathetic geo-political games can change - let alone erase.. The FORMER Yugoslav (so-called) "republic" was and, unless some common sense prevails, always will be a sad state of affairs. The main reason that the ridiculous "claim" by the bulgaro-skopjianovski leftovers of FYROM has not succeeded in hi-jacking the ancient Greek name of Macedonia is that, despite all the cynical and hypocritical "realpolitik" games going on in the region, there are REAL world issues and historical facts that cannot be avoided. This is why all the "angry demands" and "claims" by these hi-jackers of history which, when seen all together, only manage to contradict themselves or end up in "indignant" yet baseless and historically absurd "arguments" and fake statues, costumes and "symbols". But what is even more absurd and shameful is that any self respecting person or "organization" would give any of these claims any credence. It is also why the UN and EU are - in the very least - still insisting on a compromise on the name (which is far more than this fabricated mish-mash of a country deserves) as regrettably, it is deemed that such a settlement will serve other interests in the region. Greece though, for historical but more crucially future geo political reasons, should NOT compromise on the "new name" and how it is used. Given the current "attitude" in the FYROM, they should now even renounce this fraudulent "treaty". It remains a sad state of affairs when a bunch of bulgaro-skopjianovskis - that are mostly a left over from the Balkan wars and Tito's clumsy attempts of territorial gains and access to the Mediterranean sea - try to hijack the ancient Greek name of Macedonia in a pathetic attempt to give themselves a false "identity". Something which was clearly exposed by then US Secretary of State Edward R. Stettinius in 1944, stating in no uncertain terms that: "This (US) government considers talk of Macedonian “nation,” Macedonian “fatherland,” or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece." This reality remains even if there has been a shift in some quarters of crude US "policy" in the region. Subsequently, this sad and latest episode of these displaced Bulgarians - who also have to deal with a large Albanian minority with their own agendas - is more a case of 'the mouse that roared' (with the cynical "support" of those with rather devious agendas in the region) than a case of legitimate "claims" to any so-called "ethnic" identity. Slavs, by the way, did not even arrive in the region until AFTER 600AD and - as their first 'president' Gligorov rightly said - have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alexander and Macedonia! Further more it should also be made clear that even Bulgaria - despite it's past and present agendas - doesn't recognize the existence of "slavo-macedonians" in the so-called republic!!! - quite rightly considering all FYROM "skopjianovskis" as Bulgarians. On the other hand, the heritage, cities and monuments of Alexander were, are and always will be GREEK, carved in ancient stone and marble that no devious or pathetic attempts to re-write history - or any brown nosing those who indulge in so-called "great games" in the region - can change, let alone erase. If the "supporters" of the FYROM genuinely want a solution to the serious problems and stability of this "country" and the Balkans, it is time to put a stop to this nonsense and deal with the realities of not only the region but also the very serious and very REAL WORLD social-economic and environmental problems that we ALL have to face in THIS century. Just look at the fracking hell of a mess the ponzi/casino "economies" of the so-called "united" states of america and king-CONNED-om are in - AGAIN!!! Given the relentless and ever increasing climatic disasters, it would also be wise to remember that Mother Nature does NOT do "bail outs" or "quantitative easing"...
@yorgos19681
@yorgos19681 14 күн бұрын
professor you have probably confused history northern Macedonia never had an empire ancient Macedonia was the empire which was Greek so don't say northern Macedonia again when you refer to the empire of filipos and Alexander the Great
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 4 күн бұрын
MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES. Greece 190 years.
@jonaszswietomierz8017
@jonaszswietomierz8017 15 күн бұрын
If the country is called Macedonia: the Greeks are unhappy because it negates their historical heritage. If the country is called North Macedonia, but with the denomination of "Macedonian" for the language and people, then Bulgaria is unhappy because it negates their cultural heritage in the region. Also, Greece is still unhappy. And if the country is called anything other but "Macedonia", then it negates the identity of the people living in the country. Sounds like there could be no compromise. Although I have a proposal that is going to infuriate everyone equally: Republic of North Alexandria and West Bulgaria
@dyawr
@dyawr 15 күн бұрын
In favor🤚
@Wolverine-ky9gk
@Wolverine-ky9gk 14 күн бұрын
This issue will never be solved Tsiparas and Zaev manage to put a band aid on it.
@Valeri-Mitev
@Valeri-Mitev 13 күн бұрын
This is not a "naming dispute" but an identity dispute which manifests itself through the refusal to accept the new name. The identity of ethnic Macedonians claims continuity from the kingdom of Ancient Macedonia and rejects Greek claims over that heritage, which as you said is ridiculous as it was a Hellenistic state. The name solution was designed to disentangle and separate the identity from ancient Macedonia which rightfully belongs to Greece. Yet when you do your history lesson you start from ancient Macedonia meaning you trace continuity from Alexander the Great which is exactly what ethnic Macedonians do and is the source of the conflict.
@noIMspartacus2
@noIMspartacus2 12 күн бұрын
The name game regarding FYROM has gone from absurd to almost obscene levels of duplicity and betrayal... First off, it's time to stop all these pathetic attempts to "re-write" history. Macedonia and Alexander's legacy was and always will be Greek, carved in ancient stone and marble for all the world to see and that NO AMOUNT of pathetic geo-political games can change - let alone erase.. The FORMER Yugoslav (so-called) "republic" was and, unless some common sense prevails, always will be a sad state of affairs. The main reason that the ridiculous "claim" by the bulgaro-skopjianovski leftovers of FYROM has not succeeded in hi-jacking the ancient Greek name of Macedonia is that, despite all the cynical and hypocritical "realpolitik" games going on in the region, there are REAL world issues and historical facts that cannot be avoided. This is why all the "angry demands" and "claims" by these hi-jackers of history which, when seen all together, only manage to contradict themselves or end up in "indignant" yet baseless and historically absurd "arguments" and fake statues, costumes and "symbols". But what is even more absurd and shameful is that any self respecting person or "organization" would give any of these claims any credence. It is also why the UN and EU are - in the very least - still insisting on a compromise on the name (which is far more than this fabricated mish-mash of a country deserves) as regrettably, it is deemed that such a settlement will serve other interests in the region. Greece though, for historical but more crucially future geo political reasons, should NOT compromise on the "new name" and how it is used. Given the current "attitude" in the FYROM, they should now even renounce this fraudulent "treaty". It remains a sad state of affairs when a bunch of bulgaro-skopjianovskis - that are mostly a left over from the Balkan wars and Tito's clumsy attempts of territorial gains and access to the Mediterranean sea - try to hijack the ancient Greek name of Macedonia in a pathetic attempt to give themselves a false "identity". Something which was clearly exposed by then US Secretary of State Edward R. Stettinius in 1944, stating in no uncertain terms that: "This (US) government considers talk of Macedonian “nation,” Macedonian “fatherland,” or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece." This reality remains even if there has been a shift in some quarters of crude US "policy" in the region. Subsequently, this sad and latest episode of these displaced Bulgarians - who also have to deal with a large Albanian minority with their own agendas - is more a case of 'the mouse that roared' (with the cynical "support" of those with rather devious agendas in the region) than a case of legitimate "claims" to any so-called "ethnic" identity. Slavs, by the way, did not even arrive in the region until AFTER 600AD and - as their first 'president' Gligorov rightly said - have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alexander and Macedonia! Further more it should also be made clear that even Bulgaria - despite it's past and present agendas - doesn't recognize the existence of "slavo-macedonians" in the so-called republic!!! - quite rightly considering all FYROM "skopjianovskis" as Bulgarians. On the other hand, the heritage, cities and monuments of Alexander were, are and always will be GREEK, carved in ancient stone and marble that no devious or pathetic attempts to re-write history - or any brown nosing those who indulge in so-called "great games" in the region - can change, let alone erase. If the "supporters" of the FYROM genuinely want a solution to the serious problems and stability of this "country" and the Balkans, it is time to put a stop to this nonsense and deal with the realities of not only the region but also the very serious and very REAL WORLD social-economic and environmental problems that we ALL have to face in THIS century. Just look at the fracking hell of a mess the ponzi/casino "economies" of the so-called "united" states of america and king-CONNED-om are in - AGAIN!!! Given the relentless and ever increasing climatic disasters, it would also be wise to remember that Mother Nature does NOT do "bail outs" or "quantitative easing"...
@MichaelMakedon
@MichaelMakedon 14 күн бұрын
If the Macedonians and the Greeks were the same people, then there was no need for Alexander the Great to call himself King of the Macedonians and the Greeks, but just King of the Greeks. In his five-century old book Mauro Orbini says that because the Macedonians have their own language, which didn’t just fall from the sky, it is clear that they have always spoken the same language. If that was true in 1525, when the book was written, then it is very probable that Alexander and Samoil spoke the same language. According to Orbini, Alexander, Samoil and Saint Clement would have no problem understanding each other in their mother tongue in 1525.
@TheManigas
@TheManigas 13 күн бұрын
The jokes write themselves. For anyone that has read what the delusional bulgarian wrote above , Samoil was defeated by Basil the BULGARSLAYER , Samoil was a Bulgarian as he wrote himself but brainwashed people can change his nationality as they also change their own. Don't take my word for it do your own research. Also try google translating "macedonian" language text but instead of using "macedonian" to english for example try using the same text but bulgarian to english , it works every time . Cause it's bulgarian.
@HellenicLegend7
@HellenicLegend7 13 күн бұрын
@@TheManigas​​⁠​⁠You forgot to comment that Alexander spoked the same (Slavic) language as Samouil…💀😂😆🤣
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 13 күн бұрын
"Orbin's work The Realm of the Slavs was also the main source used by Paisius of Hilendar to write his Istoriya Slavyanobolgarskaya, the most influential work of early Bulgarian historiography, in 1762." Orbin considered your ancestors to be Bulgarian.
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 12 күн бұрын
"...you should say to the King [King of Persia] who sent you, that A HELLENE [Alexander I of Macedon], the Grandmaster of Macedon, welcomed you...." King Alexander I of Macedon Herodotus [5.20.4] "πρὸς δὲ καὶ βασιλέϊ τῷ πέμψαντι ἀπαγγείλητε ὡς ἀνὴρ Ἕλλην, Μακεδὼν ὕπαρχος, εὖ ὑμέας ἐδέξατο"
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 12 күн бұрын
"Your ancestors came to Macedonia and THE REST OF HELLAS (Greece) and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed LEADER OF THE GREEKS, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you..." Alexander the Great Alexander's letter to Persian king Darius in response to a truce plea, as quoted in Anabasis Alexandri by Arrian; translated as Anabasis of Alexander by P. A. Brunt, for the "Loeb Edition" Book II 14, 4
@the.macedonian4021
@the.macedonian4021 14 күн бұрын
*Ironically, until 1988, Greece's well-documented policy was that Macedonia did not exist, and it violently tried to eradicate its very existence. Then, for fear that it would lose the part of Macedonia that it annexed in 1913, Greece's propaganda machine changed course to claiming that Macedonia's land belongs to them, while the people still do not exist* *Greece did not call Macedonia but “The New Territory” in 1913. They was renamed the Governorate-General of Northern Greece in 1955 because it was combined with the Governorate-General of Thrace. It was renamed to the Ministry of Macedonia and Thrace in 1988*
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
Total Srboman propaganda. Macedonia has been used by Greece as a place-name continuously since 1912/13, the 'Macedonia' (Makedonia) newspaper has been been published daily in Thessalonica since 1911, the position of Macedonian governor-general was part of various Greek governments pre-1988, and a government ministry called 'Macedonia' has existed off and on since the Balkan Wars. The communist Yugoslav government that took power in 1944 deported, jailed or killed thousands of Bulgarian intellectuals who refused to follow the new 'Macedonian' ethnicity imposed by Tito's totalitarian regime. When will the warped Frankenstein Srboman regime in Skopje finally take responsibility for taking part in denying and destroying its Bulgarian heritage and history? When will they admit to destroying the ancient, medieval and modern Greek heritage of cities such as Monastiri (Bitola), where my grandparents were born?
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
MAKEDONIJA EXIST 25 CENTURIES. Greece -- 190 years.
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 12 күн бұрын
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Go home, Tatjana, you're drunk again.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@sirbobloblaws I am home in MAKEDONIJA . srb @.
@christismystrength6521
@christismystrength6521 7 күн бұрын
According to the "Treaty of Bucarest" ( 1913 ) the macedonian territory was given as a gift to "greece" and "bulgaria" -- to be used for a period of 100 years -- and then to be given back to the rest of Vardar Macedonia. In 2013 the deal ran off and they ( greece and bulgaria ) had to give us back the land they stole. But they refuse, silently, to give us back what legally belongs to us. That's why they are so ferocious and that's why they REFUSE any historical revisionism. REMEMBER : 2013 !!!!
@Ballykeith
@Ballykeith 15 күн бұрын
Is there any other international conflict which has parallels with this one?
@archon1972
@archon1972 14 күн бұрын
"the country's ancient history" ??? the country has no ancient history. Get your facts strait.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
So, why was Greece so determined to ensure that the Hellenistic era was recognised under the agreement? The territorial history of every modern country stretches back long before the country existed. This should be beyond contestation. Indeed, by your logic, Greece has no claim to its ancient history. I readily accept the Roman heritage of Britain without claiming that Britain was Rome. Let’s not be so unduly touchy about all this. The country that is North Macedonia has a long history. North Macedonia is a new country.
@archon1972
@archon1972 14 күн бұрын
The difference is that Romans were Romans not British and ancient Macedonians were Greeks not Slavs
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
indeed. And I’m not disputing or undermining that. I specifically said that the modern Macedonians speak a Slavic language. It’s just sad that a lot of commenters seem to want to make inferences that simply weren’t there! This issue really does bring out the very worst in some Greeks. Το λέω ως κάποιος που έχει ζήσει στην Ελλάδα και μιλάει ελληνικά!
@archon1972
@archon1972 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay im sure it does. Its a very sensitive matter for Greeks and their history - heritage.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@archon1972...... MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES ARE MACEDONIANS ! ! ! ! !
@user-yu3er9ve1g
@user-yu3er9ve1g 14 күн бұрын
Only someone deeply familiar with the history and politics of the Balkans can understand the total farce that is North Macedonia. The idea that the Slavs in Macedonia are ancient Greeks is actually Greek propaganda from the 18th-19th centuries, which Greece used to de-Bulgarianize and assimilate them, parallel to the slogan of the national hero of Greece, Pavlos Menachs, "there should not be a living Bulgarian in Macedonia". The national symbol of this country is the revolutionary organization VMRO. The organization itself strongly opposes Greek propaganda and even in official documents discussed measures to combat the term "Macedonia" and Macedonians - specifically, the national hero of North Macedonia, Damian Gruev, wrote about it. Damian (Dame) Gruev himself is an ethnic Bulgarian, and VMRO is a Bulgarian organization that arose as an attempt to revise the Berlin Congress of 1878, by which the Bulgarians were divided into several parts after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878 and in this organization only Bulgarian members of the Bulgarian Exarchate can be members (in Orthodoxy this represents ethnophiletism, which is why this church was stigmatized in the Orthodox world until the end of the Second World War). Historically, the "Macedonians" in these lands were never called Macedonians, but Bulgarians. As Prof. Raymond Detrez says "these people called themselves Bulgarians and were called Bulgarians by others" (this quote is from an online scholarly debate between Bulgarian and Macedonian historians during Covid and can be viewed at T). It is even funnier that even after World War II the communists in Yugoslavia wrote that these people were "Slavs", it is not clear what Slavs (they were already forbidden to define themselves as Bulgarians). However, a Greek mythology and propaganda began to be harnessed to build a new identity for these people. The story of the ancient mighty Macedonians perfectly fits the building of a national identity different from the Bulgarian one. Thus, the Bulgarians became "Tatars, Mongols, fascists, occupiers", and the Macedonians, an ancient nation of 3000 years old, that "gave the world the white race, Christianity and the Cyrillic alphabet" - these are real statements of the new Macedonian historical science. Many people today may accept this lie sympathetically and with a smile. In reality, however, behind it hides terrible hatred, discrimination and chauvinism, which leads to territorial, ethnic, church and minority claims toward Greece and Bulgaria. Looking at certain maps from the 19th century, these people believe that the Ottoman-era Maceodnia vilayet belongs to them. This vilayet is only an administrative region and today includes Greece and Bulgaria (and a small part of Serbia, but in North Macedonia no one dares to claim Serbia ;)))). Moreover, the new Macedonian nation was given a new "Macedonian language" by the communists, which was created by Bulgarian writer Venko Markovski. Markovski himself later renounced his own creation because it divided the Bulgarians. However, this new Macedonian language is a regional form of the Bulgarian and as such is spoken by Bulgarians in Macedonia and by Bulgarians in today's Pirin region in Bulgaria. Skopje persistently lobbied to impose this new language and thus claim a Macedonian minority in Bulgaria and Greece - historically there is no such thing. Things are becoming particularly dangerous for Bulgaria, because at the creation of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria had to become a member and give the Pirin area to the new Macedonian state. The communists, with decrees and violence, turned hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians into Macedonians. This policy was abandoned by Bulgaria, but Macedonia uses now this period to claim a minority in Bulgaria. In the 1970s, Yugoslav intelligence worked in this direction and created organizations OMO Ilinden Pirin to claim cultural autonomy of certain regions in Greece and Bulgaria, but they were exposed. Bulgaria and Greece consolidate their policies against Yugoslav claims. The conclusion is that behind the name there are serious claims of this young country to Greece and Bulgaria - territorial and minority, which, however, have no historical basis. The refusal of the politicians in Skopje to respect the agreements with Greece and Bulgaria shows a desire for revisionism. Bulgaria and Greece will not allow this, and rightly so. Behind the concept of Macedonia (without North) are claims to the whole of Macedonia. For this, Greece and Bulgaria have clauses in the contracts with North Macedonia that NM they will not interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries. However, the new rulers in Skopje openly say that they want to respect the rights of the Macedonian minorities in Greece and Bulgaria, which is a gross violation of the treaties. Skopje also reacted extremely painfully to the recognition of Bulgarian minorities in Albania and Kosovo. En masse, Bulgarians set up their own schools there. During Yugoslavia, these people were forced to write as Macedonians. The story is a real farce. At the same time, hundreds of thousands of Macedonians became Bulgarian citizens and left the country. In the last two years alone, 4,500 Macedonians have proven their Bulgarian origin and have become Bulgarians. In total, there are now more than 120,000 people.Skopje stubbornly refuses to end the state-instilled hatred towards Bulgaria and the Bulgarians and, above all, to end the falsification of the Bulgarians history on these lands. For this, Bulgaria insists that the mixed historical commission clean up the falsifications accumulated from the time of communism, but Skopje withdrew from this commitment as well. Yesterday, in a televised debate, Risto Nikovski- macdonian diplomat said "there are no Bulgarians in Macedonia". This is the old Yugoslav thesis and apparently Skopje will continue to suppress these people. All cultural clubs of the Bulgarians have already been set on fire, last year they were shootings with weapons against those clubs, there were stone attacks and all the presidents of Bulgarian cultural clubs are on trial for inciting hatred. The terror towards the Bulgarians in Macedonia is total. Skopje does not want to include them in its constitution as a people and this shows the true face of this regime.
@petar4968
@petar4968 14 күн бұрын
Macedonians are not bulgarians, it's not so easy to get independence alone, macedonians were close with Bulgarians so they can get independence, also people weren't educated so much back then
@user-yu3er9ve1g
@user-yu3er9ve1g 14 күн бұрын
@@petar4968 These are untenable arguments. Historical science has no data on such an ethnic group in medieval Europe. Ottoman archives, the travelogues of many Western travelers and diplomats, dozens of ethnic maps of this region show that the largest ethnic group is the Bulgarians. At the same time, not a single source speaks of Macedonians. All the heads of the revolutionary organization VMRO have written biographies - as far as I know, only Pere Toshev does not, but he was a resident of the Bulgarian intelligence in Istanbul, which clearly shows what nationality he was. All revolutionaries clearly write about Bulgarians. The first statute of VMRO speaks only of Bulgarians, there is not even a mention of Macedonians. These people were extremely educated in their time. Doctor Hristo Tatarchev died before the 1950s and spoke clearly about the freedom of the Macedonian Bulgarians. Gotse Delchev in over 60 documents, some of which were written by himself, is defined as Bulgarian and never as Macedonian. In the past, Bulgarians and Macedonians were the same thing. Today they are two separate countries, with two separate peoples, but historically they are the same thing.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@user-yu3er9ve1g MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES. blgari -- 140 years.
@illbeback3168
@illbeback3168 14 күн бұрын
*YOU'RE A LIAR. You deliberately omit the fact that Greece was found guilty by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for breaching the Interim Accord (1995), by blocking the NATO accession of the former yugoslav republic of Macedonia in 2008. The country then filed a lawsuit against Greece before the ICJ and won the case, but the ICJ was unable to impose penaulties on Greece. According to the Interim Accord (1995), the then-Rep. of Macedonia agreed to remove an Ancient Macedonian symbol from its flag and allegedly irredentist clauses from its constitution, in order to apease Greece, while Greece agreed that it wouldn't block the Rep. of Macedonia from joining intl organizations so long as it used the appellation set out in the UN - former yugoslav republic of Macedonia. The R. of Macedonia respected this, but she was blocked by Greece anyway. Also, the idea for a separate macedonian identity emerged long before Socialist Yugoslavia - read about the IMRO's ideas for Independent Macedonia in the late 19th and early 20th c., about Krste Petkov Misirkov (1874 - 1926) etc.*
@giorgismaximos8662
@giorgismaximos8662 14 күн бұрын
Greek Macedonia's history started thousands of years ago and not from Tito's time It is clear that your " Macedonia" is fabricated Your country has signed an agreement , respect your signature or face the consequences
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
2011 Sud vo HAG donese odluka : MAKEDONIJA e so IME MAKEDONIJA. 2018 Nikola Dimitrov stori krivic'no delo. minister nema ingerencii da menuva IME na MAKEDONIJA .
@vovac8915
@vovac8915 15 күн бұрын
It should be called either West Bulgaria or Vardaria (after the river). There's actually a very old tradition of Macedonian identity being perceived as a "better version of Bulgaria", similarly to the German identity in Austria between the world wars when Austria said its more German than (protestant) Germans (Prussians) mainly because of their catholicism.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 15 күн бұрын
Interesting, but I’m not going to rise to the bait! I did a video on Bulgarian-Macedonian identity and got 7000 angry comments from irate Bulgarians. 😀 That said, I always thought Vardar Macedonia might have been a good alternative.
@BozaCukuranovic3223
@BozaCukuranovic3223 15 күн бұрын
Not so fast bratko, the northern and western parts professed strong Serbian and pro-Serbian identity up until Tito's anti-Serbian policy of macedonization post WWII. If Bulgarians weren't so dumb to attack us in 1913, we could have made a deal, and you could have kept 1/2 of today's North Macedonia. Instead, we both lost, but the defeat cost us way more as we lost almost 25% of our entire population in WWI thanks to your back-stabbing involvement in 1915.
@ozgurd5920
@ozgurd5920 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay lets call it rumelia lol
@ottomanosman2463
@ottomanosman2463 14 күн бұрын
Time for a rename party?
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 14 күн бұрын
@@BozaCukuranovic3223.............. gnjuri . u Nis'ava.
@Rupiroe3466
@Rupiroe3466 15 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, the provocative tone of the new government led by VMRO-DPMNE is a byproduct of the current Bulgarian blockade for European integration. After years of staleness in domestic Macedonian politics and absence of anti-corruption reforms by the outgoing social democratic (SDSM) government, the main topic in the political environment (both to VMRO-DPMNE's pleasure, and to SDSM's lack of choice) became Bulgaria's pressure for constitutional reform. Considering the whole eternity that our county has waited for EU integration, the massive support for the conservative VMRO-DPMNE is a show of exhaustion in the face of a new attack against the identity of Macedonians by Bulgaria (and one that I most sincerely consider unreasonable). The change of our country's name was perceived as the final arduous step towards the start of a real integrative process. Following Bulgaria's new demands, Macedonians feel skeptical about more incoming complaints (and vetos) from one of our neighbors about some part of our identity. Quite frankly, I myself as a staunchly pro European left leaning voter am disappointed by EU's approach towards Bulgaria's obstructive demands that stoke more anti-Greek conservative behavior domestically. Great video as always. All the best!
@randomname5338
@randomname5338 14 күн бұрын
nah fam , we got a slap on the wrist by the EU for vetoing things , why can't we just agree that you are a nation with your people completely independent from Bulgaria BUT the language and history is of Bulgarian origin , because it's the truth . Do that and we Gucci . Much love a Bulgarian who's 1/2 family comes from Macedonia during WW2 .
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 6 күн бұрын
@@randomname5338 MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES. blgari ? u Varna.
@OrwellsHousecat
@OrwellsHousecat 14 күн бұрын
So... North Macedonia is trolling Greece big time?
@hellenicsun5792
@hellenicsun5792 12 сағат бұрын
Imagine that you are a Slav, that you speak Slavic, that your name is Slavic, that you understand the Bulgarian language because it is the same, and yet you say that you are Macedonian
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 6 сағат бұрын
Imagine that you a Slav, that you speak Slavic, that your name is Slavic, that you understand the Bosnia/Croatian/Serbian/Montenegrin language because it is the same, and yet you say you are Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian/Montenegrin. Would you would say this to a Bosnian/Croat/Serb/Montenegrin?
@MultiCanEman
@MultiCanEman 13 күн бұрын
Long live Macedonia, south and north. Greeks can mind their own business. Nothing new here, when Baklava belongs to them, so does the Macedonia:)
@davidscwimer1974
@davidscwimer1974 13 күн бұрын
But … your Bulgarian
@macedonianlion4872
@macedonianlion4872 14 күн бұрын
The first constetution of Greece, 1827. A Greek is a Christian. ??? -> 4. Provinces of Greece are all those that were taken and will be taken by weapons against the Ottoman Dynasty. 1) -> 6. Greeks are: 2) -> a. All those indigenous people of the Greek State who believe in Christ. 3) -> b. All those, believers in Christ, who under the Ottoman slavery, came or they will come to the Greek State to struggle or to reside in it. 4) -> e. All those aliens, who come and enrol as citizens. NOTE: To become a Greek, it was enough to be a Christian! So regardless if you are a Albanian, Turk, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Gypsy or Vlach, you are a Greek if you were a Christian and born in the Greek state. So what makes them the 'direct decendents of the ancient Hellens?'
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
YOU: Bulgarian by God, Macedonian by Tito
@GreatMK.Forever
@GreatMK.Forever 14 күн бұрын
@@sirbobloblawsSaid ArvanitesAlbanoTurk which ancestors was forced to speak Koine in the middle of 19 century
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 13 күн бұрын
@@GreatMK.Forever Said me, whose ancestors destroyed most of your Bulgarian VMRO ancestors in the Florina area and sent the rest of them to majka Bulgaria during the population exchange. Also, Koine didn't exist in the 19th century. It was modern Greek by them. Nice try, Srbomanche.
@mydogzbutler
@mydogzbutler 13 күн бұрын
@@sirbobloblawsmodern Greek pfffffff 😂 ok Albanakis if you think so
@davidscwimer1974
@davidscwimer1974 13 күн бұрын
@@mydogzbutlerisn’t your second language Albanian 😂
@user-jw7ns4wu7t
@user-jw7ns4wu7t 13 күн бұрын
Macedonia to the Macedonians 🇲🇰☀️🌞
@davidscwimer1974
@davidscwimer1974 13 күн бұрын
Yes for the Greeks !! Well said
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@davidscwimer1974........... dzamp in greek wc.
@saxytb
@saxytb 12 күн бұрын
Northern Greece is a territory gifted to the Greek state by the British Empire and the French at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, The same powers helped Greece retain it after WW2. All in an effort to weaken Turkey and diminish Russia's influence in the region. How many thousands of Macedonians were forced to flee the territory that is now Northern Greece? Greek refugees from Asia Minor were settled there in their place.
@ashleynz2575
@ashleynz2575 14 күн бұрын
LOL you managed to do the first 3 minutes without mentioning the Ancient Greeks or Byzantine Greeks legacy or the Greek province of Macedonia --- that will annoy the Greeks watching :)
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
Indeed. I’ve already got lots of Greek nationalists who have completely misinterpreted the video - deliberately, I suspect - shouting abuse because of some slight that doesn’t even make sense. Some days I really and truly dislike working on the Balkans. The name issue was a truly miserable and mean spirited issue. I am now reminded why.
@ashleynz2575
@ashleynz2575 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsayHah I tend to be good-natured with my Danish, Greek and Macedonian acquaintances.....The Greeks and the Danes (and Crimean Tatars) are about the only modern European countries who territories have shrunk over the last 700 years, so I can understand why they are super-sensitive. I found Danes just as super-sensitive as the Greeks, but the former being introverted - a generalisation of course - don't necessarily show any signs of permanently crossing you off their Xmas card list if you mention how you love how Swedish Skania is or how you love visiting Flensburg as it has a real true German feel to it lol:).
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Terminology matters, though I don't expect you to keep up with it all as a non-Balkanite.
@maksampece947
@maksampece947 11 күн бұрын
@@ashleynz2575 The modern concept of Greece as an ethnostate of the Hellenic people only originated in the 19th century with the advent of nationalism. To say that the territory of Greece has “shrunk” in the last 700 years is a bit absurd, as the modern state of Greece has only existed for about 200 years.
@petarpetrovski5427
@petarpetrovski5427 Күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Thank you very kindly. I know how you feel. The mean spirited neighbours of Macedonia, abused their rights and privilege of being EU members. IMO, this happened because of the chaos in the EU and lack of leadership by the EU, by allowing member states to add additional conditions for EU/NATO membership.
@MichaelMakedon
@MichaelMakedon 14 күн бұрын
Грк за забрана на употреба на името Македонија kzfaq.info/get/bejne/es2dd9pqxNbIqpc.htmlsi=275cT-dIzLjAzQAu
@JP-wh7qf
@JP-wh7qf 14 күн бұрын
Do you know why Greece is so scared of one little country like Macedonia?
@HeroManNick132
@HeroManNick132 14 күн бұрын
Macedonia is a region, stop playing the victim card.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 13 күн бұрын
Because of Ohrana, SNOF and NOF
@DCCrisisclips
@DCCrisisclips 13 күн бұрын
You do realise Skopja is already making military deals with Turkey and if a war happens Turkey could open up a new front against Greece via Skopja
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@DCCrisisclips SKOPJE TOWN IN MAKEDONIJA. you in black.
@petar4968
@petar4968 14 күн бұрын
I don't see a problem Macedonians van call themselvs how they want in their country called Macedonia, Macedonia for the Macedonians.
@giorgismaximos8662
@giorgismaximos8662 14 күн бұрын
Macedonians are Greeks They aren't Greeks , they could join Greece
@silahim79
@silahim79 14 күн бұрын
There is also a Greek minority!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
A vanishingly small one.
@silahim79
@silahim79 14 күн бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay not really. Just hiding and afraid!
@petar4968
@petar4968 14 күн бұрын
How many macedonians are I greece tell me
@johnofdebar4071
@johnofdebar4071 14 күн бұрын
@@silahim79 afraid of the big bad wolf?
@silahim79
@silahim79 14 күн бұрын
@@johnofdebar4071 yes, how did you know?
@roki2009ful
@roki2009ful 13 күн бұрын
Very superficial analysis. You don't mention anywhere that only a century ago there was no Macedonian nation, but Bulgarians from the region of Macedonia, who after 1912 in the state of Serbo-Croats were forcibly reborn as "Macedonians"
@vangelisskia214
@vangelisskia214 15 күн бұрын
"In the 1990s,Macedonians speak a language codified in 1946,spoken by less than two million people, and with a very slender literature. They are members of an Orthodox Church whose authority was established by a socialist political regime in 1968.They are heirs to a 1903 revolution that until the 1940s was described by almost all sources as being Bulgarian." "The history of the Balkan Peninsula" Ferdinand Schevill page 432
@tommartinez4324
@tommartinez4324 12 күн бұрын
1)Alexander the Great participated in the ancient Olympics, you had to be Greek to do this. 2) He was tutored by Aristotle (another Greek Macedonian) in Greek. 3) The House of Macedon claimed to be descendants of the Argead Dynasty 4) Macedonians had Greek names and spoke a dialect of Greek, spread Greek culture NOT slavic or bulgarian.. All of you who claim the Ancient Macedonians were anything but Greek make HOLLOW and TRIVIAL claims!
@saas-lk2oe
@saas-lk2oe 14 күн бұрын
they signed a deal. Stick to it or they should be expelled from NATO. If they dont respect what they sign, then Greece has every right to take any measures they wish.
@milostomic8539
@milostomic8539 13 күн бұрын
U.S, UK and France also signed UN Security Council's resolution 1244, which confirms Kosovo to be part of Serbia. But in 2008 U.S, UK and France recognized Kosovo as independent.
@the.macedonian4021
@the.macedonian4021 10 күн бұрын
Why did this Italian linguist write for the existence of the Macedonian language 500 years ago 1539 Theseus Ambrogio Albonese (1469-1540/41) is an Italian humanist from the period of the Italian Renaissance, of Christian (Catholic) and a harbinger of Orientalism. His most important work is the book Chaldaicam linguam, Syriacam, atque Armenicam, & decem alias linguas. Published in 1539, in which the church psalms are translated from several languages, and the languages ​​of the time and the alphabet used by the nations as a means of written communication are noted. , Syrian Arabic, Hebrew... they also include Macedonian, which is listed as a separate language different from Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian* *You can freely find that book of his in the original on the net*
@Gotze.Delchev.Reborn
@Gotze.Delchev.Reborn 9 күн бұрын
There is no commenter here, because before the fact both Pontic Greeks and Tatar Bulgarians are silent
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
@@Gotze.Delchev.Reborn MAKEDONCI 25 VEKA. q q .
@5koKirilov
@5koKirilov 15 күн бұрын
I guess what you said there (02:20) is exactly what pees Bulgarians and Greeks off and this is why they are so firm with the republic that shouldn't be named. You said that the history of North Macedonia emerged as a kingdom which is a very inaccurate statement. There is no continuity between Ancient Macedonia and the republic of north macedonia, and as such, its history started on 2nd August, 1944 and its language was codified, as pointed in the entry on that language in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, based on the the dialect furthest away from Bulgarian, by the Serbs. Guess why!
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 8 сағат бұрын
1944 ASNOM i vo Prohor Pc'inski izglasan MAKEDONSKI MANIFEST. Metodij Andonov C'ento ---- lider na ASNOM ! ! !
@GreatMK.Forever
@GreatMK.Forever 14 күн бұрын
1539 Theseus Ambrogio Albonese (1469-1540/41) is an Italian humanist from the period of the Italian Renaissance, representative of Christian (Catholic) Kabbalism and harbinger of Orientalism. His most important work is the book Chaldaicam linguam, Syriacam, atque Armenicam, & decem alias linguas. Published in 1539, in which the church psalms are translated from several languages, and the languages ​​of the time and the alphabet used by the peoples as a means of written communication are recorded. In his book, he makes a language alphabetic parallel between several languages ​​such as Latin, Greek, Dalmatian , Syriac, Arabic, Hebrew... including Macedonian, which is listed as a separate language apart from Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian. You can freely find that book of his in the original on the net.
@davidscwimer1974
@davidscwimer1974 13 күн бұрын
Looks Bulgarian speaks Bulgarian worships Bulgarian… it must be Bulgarian 😂 or Albanian
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@davidscwimer1974........... jedi ..... c'varke .
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
Greece should respect the Bucharest Peace Treaty of 1912 and give back Aegean Macedonia to the Macedonian people if Greece doesn't want to have any problems! 😌
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
Treaty of Bucharest was 1913, and it made no mention of an "ethnic Macedonian" people. The treaty also gave Stromnitsa to Bulgaria. so why don't YOU respect it?
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
@@sirbobloblaws The Treaty says if any part of Macedonia becomes independent all other parts of Macedonia must be given back to the part that became independent. 😏
@Love78787
@Love78787 14 күн бұрын
@@sirbobloblaws Strumica is won during the WW1
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 14 күн бұрын
@@Love78787 Hahahahaha!!! I have the text on my screen right now. Tell me more lies, Srbomanche.
@macedonianlion4872
@macedonianlion4872 14 күн бұрын
Problems of course. We should ban dental tourism.
@temenvitez4206
@temenvitez4206 12 күн бұрын
Some questions for you Professor. Did the use of napalm on civilians in Aegean Macedonia during the Greek ‘civil war’ constitute a war crime? (Probably difficult for you to answer honestly as it was an Anglo/American directive) If it was a war crime will you use your KZfaq channel to advocate for the prosecution of this case? Also,a prominent Greek citizen and former Minister of Finance, Yanis Varoufakis describes the treatment of Slavic Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia after the Balkan wars as ‘ethnic cleansing’. Do you agree,and would this constitute a crime against humanity? Again will you use this channel to peruse a case against the protagonists? Have you ever spoken to Macedonian people and asked them what their grandparents and their grandparents before them, (going right back into Ottoman times) identified as? I await your responses.
@benjauron5873
@benjauron5873 15 күн бұрын
In other news, Canada is changing its name to "The Republic of North Dakota." US Ambassador insists they instead use the name "North North Dakota."
@solsunman383
@solsunman383 14 күн бұрын
The difference is that radical elements have spoken about "reuniting" Macedonia in the past. There are fears that the naming dispute could lead to a territorial dispute or worse. In a region as volatile as the Balkans, you can see why both Bulgaria and Greece are nervous about North Macedonia potentially laying claim to territory and people that live in their borders. If you think about it, it is not so far from the rambling speech that Putin made in February 2022 about the historical links and claim that Russia has to Kyiv, and how the city is both the birthplace and historical heart of Russia (I can't remember the exact wording). Hopefully, you can see then why this may seem incredibly trivial at first glance (because it is), but it makes people nervous, due to its potential to escalate to something much worse.
@levlad12
@levlad12 14 күн бұрын
@@solsunman383 There are no fears at all, that's a tool your Greek politicians use to justify their bigotry and gain popularity amongst nationalist and ultimately win votes, we are smaller than you, with fewer people fewer resources and an army with 6000 personal which had 0.7 of GDP military expenditure for years before we joined NATO. Should Turks take the Greek radical elements of taking back Constantinople seriously?
@pegasus5794
@pegasus5794 14 күн бұрын
Very well informed indeed. Two remarks only. 1. When the country was officially under the name FYROM, in all official documents of EU, UN and USA were referred to as "Macedonian", as opposed to today that is "North Macedonian". 2. The current government which voted against the Prespa agreement, never finalized the remaining aspects of the deal. You should have emphasized these more. It is very important for understanding both the importance of the agreement for Greece and today's North Macedonian reaction. The deal was a half win for both countries. Finally there were agreements for the Greek air force to patrol North Macedonian borders, a deal that was never applied from the current government of Mitsotakis.
@Samaa-os7hx
@Samaa-os7hx 9 күн бұрын
If Greece decides to call you Pro Jane would you go online and announce it? No? Why not? You are calling one country the name chosen for it by another country Greece. I'm just an onlooker and you people look ridiculous? Can you not see that? Greece has a lot of terrible social problems it should do something about that instead of bullying other countries. I prefer to respect the country and call it what IT chooses.
@christismystrength6521
@christismystrength6521 7 күн бұрын
The problem is bigger than that. According to the "Treaty of Bucarest" - 1913, when Macedonia was unjustly and tragically divided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia, it was proclaimed by that same Treaty that Macedonia's territory was to be "used" / to be in possesion by these 3 countries during 100 years. Once the 100 years passed, they are obliged to give the occupied lands back. Except that, in 2013, a year of the giving back the occupied lands, Greece and Bulgaria refused and since then they are creating problems to Macedonia, inventing the problem of the "name"....
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 7 күн бұрын
Bukures't 1913 dogovor veli : po 100 godini Grcija vrak'a Egejska Makedonija. Bulgaria na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Pirinska Makedonija. Srbija na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Vardarska Makedonija .
@Kalimdor199Menegroth
@Kalimdor199Menegroth 3 күн бұрын
@@christismystrength6521 There is no such specification in the Treaty of Bucharest. If you claim it otherwise, please provide the passage. I am Romanian by the way, and I have had access to the original version of the treaty. The treaty never even mentions the existence of a Macedonian nation.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 Күн бұрын
1913 dogovor veli : po 100 godini Grcija vrak'a Egejska Makedonija. Bulgaria na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Pirinska Makedonija. Srbija na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Vardarska Makedonija .
@gnazlis
@gnazlis 13 күн бұрын
I still can't understand why a Slavic people want to adapt a non-Slavic name and its heritage. There is no linguistic nor historic link there. As a Greek, I wouldn't like my country to be called South Bulgaria or, even worst, just Bulgaria. Anyway, a deal was struck in good faith and I thought it was behind us. Now instead of putting their energy into growth and prosperity, they latch on an identity that isn't theirs in a self-destructive manner...
@darkomurtovski6436
@darkomurtovski6436 13 күн бұрын
Wr haven't addopted anything. It's always been our name. I was born in 1981 and ever since I can remember the name of the country has been Macedonia, tha language was macedonian and we've all benn Macedonians. The same is true about my parents who were born in the 1950s. Nobody chooses/adopts their name. It's something that is inherited frome our ancestors. Or maybe you'd like to explain how your ancestors changed their name from Romei to Helleni in late 18th century?
@jean-luc_picard
@jean-luc_picard 12 күн бұрын
The great paradox was that Greece created the modern state of NM, just to grab some more land from Ottomans.
@golden7811
@golden7811 12 күн бұрын
I am Macedonian, and I can answer you that question. Why is your name Gnazlis? (or whatever your real name is), is it because you wanted to adapt something? No, it is because you were given that name far earlier than you could ever choose. Same thing with Macedonia. Our name comes from our land. And our land has been called Macedonia, for over 2000+ years. And we are very proud of our Slavic side, we conquered all of Europe.
@joejohnson6327
@joejohnson6327 11 күн бұрын
@@jean-luc_picard It was Serbia, not Greece, that grabbed the territory that became modern-day NM.
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 9 күн бұрын
@@joejohnson6327 MAKEDONIJA 25 VEKA vo JUZ'NA EVROPA. ti.... u cigli.
@leoflorida95
@leoflorida95 14 күн бұрын
So they are the Former Yugoslavic Republic Of Macedonia again
@Urkelsam12
@Urkelsam12 12 күн бұрын
What are your thoughts on Tigray getting independence from Ethiopia? They have article 39 in their constitution that allows it, but there’s many complexities with international recognition
@user-jh2ok2yx3f
@user-jh2ok2yx3f 13 күн бұрын
I do disagree with your point of saying they are Macedonian. The premise of who or what is Macedonian is based on the fact a Macedonian is Greek, not of Slavic origin. Their language and origins are Slavic. This needs to be recognised, which sadly still is being ignored
@CjqNslXUcM
@CjqNslXUcM 14 күн бұрын
I don't understand why they cling to that name so much, it's an accident of history. The North Macedonian language and culture is Bulgarian with a pinch of Serbian. Why insist on being called Macedonian?
@jean-luc_picard
@jean-luc_picard 14 күн бұрын
In the Balkan everyone want to have their own state. Look what happened to Yugoslavia and you will understand. And to have a country in Europe called Macedonia is kind a cool. Alexander would be happy if he was alive today, obviously not with the size, but with the name 😁
@CjqNslXUcM
@CjqNslXUcM 14 күн бұрын
@@jean-luc_picard It might be cool to you, but not to the Greeks.
@jean-luc_picard
@jean-luc_picard 14 күн бұрын
@@CjqNslXUcM I'm really sorry for the poor greeks, but they can change their name from Greece to Macedonia. You can't have both.
@pop-n-rock
@pop-n-rock 14 күн бұрын
@@jean-luc_picard What does Macedonia mean and in what language? Yes you can haveboth when it is yours.Napoleon or Jean D' Ark Choose only one, you can t have it all.
@bilic8094
@bilic8094 14 күн бұрын
It's definitely a tricky issue but then what with all the Alexander the great statues in skoplje and apparently they want to name airports and other institutions under that name so dosent look like only the name Macedonia is the issue.
@ragael1024
@ragael1024 14 күн бұрын
sry but you make it sound as if North Macedonia has any connection with the actual macedonian greeks. they are slavs, they speak a language very similar to bulgarian and have 0 connection to the ancient heritage of the macedonian greeks. heck, even their name is misleading. the area was called Paionia in ancient times, not Macedonia, not even northern macedonia. it was, in fact, north of THE macedonian kingdom. was the area under macedonians at some point? sure, conquests do that. did it have a greek majority at some point? most likely. but that alone does not make ppl living in N.Macedonia related to Alexander III. this is absurd.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 14 күн бұрын
No, I didn’t suggest they are Greeks. I made it clear that the modern Macedonians aren’t. That’s why I specifically stated they speak a South Slavic language. But if I didn’t mention ancient Macedonia and Alexander the Great I would leave viewers confused about why Greece was so upset about the issue and would have lots of angry Greeks saying that I was ignoring its Hellenistic heritage. Seriously, on some issues one can’t win. People will read whatever I say (or anyone says) on this issue through their own prism.
@quartercast
@quartercast 14 күн бұрын
Did his nose manage to walk out in protest as well?
@murattanyel1029
@murattanyel1029 14 күн бұрын
From all the conversation, I gather it's like the Republic of Turkey (or Türkiye, should I write?) changing its name to the Byzantine Republic. Yeah, it's the same land, but different people.
@austinsmith8584
@austinsmith8584 14 күн бұрын
Compared to Israel Palestine this seems kind of frivolous
@randomname5338
@randomname5338 14 күн бұрын
yes cuz all the killing and genocide happened low and slow from 18-th century till 1950's
@sirbobloblaws
@sirbobloblaws 13 күн бұрын
True. We limit ourselves to yelling at each other online.
@user-yr2in5il6x
@user-yr2in5il6x 11 күн бұрын
Never north,only Macedonia!!🙏👍
@HeroManNick132
@HeroManNick132 11 күн бұрын
Шовинист.
@HeroManNickI32
@HeroManNickI32 11 күн бұрын
Don't listen to this troll. He is Niko Ivanov from Dupnica Bulgaria , using my nickname and pfp as impersonalization. The only difference is he can't copy my tag since I've already taken it and I have 1 number less and 1 letter more
@TATARSBUSTER
@TATARSBUSTER 11 күн бұрын
@@HeroManNick132Монголист знаеш ти воопшто значењето на зборот шовинист. Овој збор им прилега на монголите КАТО ТЕБ ГАГАУЗ ПАНИРСКИ😂
@stefanignatov1809
@stefanignatov1809 15 күн бұрын
Great video professor. Do you think North Macedonia should join the EU? I am asking because when a eastern european country joins a lot of its young population goes to the west and never returns. This happened to my country - Bulgaria. In the past few years a lot of people have returned but it took more than a decade for the living standert to improve (and this is still just for people with university diploma. Normal jobs are still ridiculously low paid). Does North Macedonia have that time? I know that in large part thanks to EU Romania is closing its living standard to Western Europe, but could North Macedonia do the same and will it be in time so their young population will choose to stay? We certainly are not in the same position as the romanians. While Bulgaria is much better now than before 2007 we still have a lot of problems and while a teacher salary can provide a so so living it's very hard save money if you live alone and pay rent. Hope to read your answer.
@dzonikg
@dzonikg 14 күн бұрын
In 30-40 years Macedonia will be mayority Albanians which are so nationalistic so they will just call it East Albania
@tatjanavelkova5814
@tatjanavelkova5814 12 күн бұрын
@@dzonikg MAKEDONIJA vo JUZ'NA EVROPA . ti u cigli.
@VforValenti
@VforValenti 15 күн бұрын
What? Who "has a long history"? "North" what? 🧐🧐🧐
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