I Could NOT Cut These Valve Seats Without NEW Tools!

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Today we're working on a couple of Continental N62 engines. These engines both came out of Massey-Harris Pony tractors, although this same engine was used in Allis Chalmers G tractors and other applications as well. In this video we're cutting the valve seats, surfacing the blocks, and regrinding the valves.
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@WrenchHead Жыл бұрын

I had a continental block, the pockets for the seat inserts were machined way too deep on 2 cyls. I was the 3rd rebuilder. Not having access to a full/pro machine shop, I purchased seats that were thicker, machined em down some on my lathe. Then used my Neway seat cutters to dial em all in. Seemed to work out alright.

@jdos2 Жыл бұрын

Amazing that we used to have to pull heads every 30k miles to (at least!) re-lap the valves, or do a complete valve job if we weren't lucky. Engines and materials have come a long way. Lovely work as always - thank you for sharing what you do!

@JohnSmith-yv6eq Жыл бұрын

Fuels and oils have got much better as well..... as has air filtration.... so engines these days theoretically do not self-generate as much "grinding paste" internally as they used to..

@a4000t Жыл бұрын

Those old valves were soft as butter. Even going to a stainless quality valve on a cast seat survives unleaded fuels quite well.

@skylinefever 9 ай бұрын

@@a4000t Yes. Modern cars don't even come with stainless vales, but they still hold up. This is why when someone needs and old head rebuilt, I tell them to buy new exhaust valves, even if they can be recut. Unleaded fuel might not wear the valve as much as the seat, but it certainly wears the old part faster than the manufacturer expected.

@ninefingerdeathgrip 7 ай бұрын

Correct. There's tons of old dudes (i'm not exactly young either) babbling about how much better and better made everything, especially cars, used to be - only to fall silent when asked how often they need to do valve job or adjust carburetor nowdays, replace or file points, check ignition timing or do they need to do something regarding intake air heating when winter comes. Old stuff tended to be somewhat more repairable, but that's just because it needed lot more repairs. Same dudes complained here in Nordics when ethanol was added to fuel, even though they added it to fuel tank themself from a fuel antifreeze bottle (pure ethanol to remove water from fuel system) for much higher price. Don't get me wrong, i feel nostalgia towards cars of my youth too, but i wouldn't want one as my daily driver - modern cars are just so much nicer, more reliable and way safer.

@skylinefever 7 ай бұрын

@@ninefingerdeathgrip Where I live, this is why some people miss the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla of the late 80s and most of the 1990s. They had most of the durability of modern cars, without so much excessive Knight Rider junk. Odds are, if you had a check engine light, an unfolded paper clip and a few affordable parts solved the problem. The one thing that did suck was that most had a timing belt. Nobody needs that BS. Also, some people aren't exactly wrong about old cars holding up well. During the 70s and 80s, few cars were as tough and serviceable as a Volvo brick or mechanical injection diesel Mercedes.

@av8tore71 Жыл бұрын

Great video and very much enjoy the commentary! I'm an attorney but also a licensed A&P mechanic (Airframe & Powerplant) for my weekend endeavors. I enjoy watching these videos because I have no clue about automobile engines and at 52 I'm always willing to learn new things

@JohnPeel-wq6nu Жыл бұрын

Loving your videos. Brings back so many memories of my time as an automotive machinist. I started my apprenticeship in 1964 when I was 15 going on 16. I learned all the aspects of the trade even remetalling babbit (white metal). My favourite was the crankshaft grinding. I thing from memory that it was a German Schou. The shop was more mass production of reconditioned engines - mainly Holden and Ford. The only photo I have of those days is me line boring a 6 cylinder Holden engine about 1966. I tried to upload the photo but was unable to. It's great that you and your Dad can work together.

@dalefrolander3583 Жыл бұрын

I don't know why, but my favorite part of your videos is when you resurface the block.

@ron827 Жыл бұрын

I am always impressed with your cleanliness, machines and tooling, attention to detail, craftsmanship and "race engine" precision even on a pony engine.

@Snarklz Жыл бұрын

I have no experience in a machine shop, just a burgeoning shade tree mechanic. I love watching the technical precision clearly required and executed to do any of the work you're doing. Don't forget that your work is part of the greater story of every vehicle you touch. Keep it coming!

@a4000t Жыл бұрын

Back in the day i used the Kwik-Way #10 carbide fixed seat cutters,they were quite expensive but a no brainer having the press fit ground in to them,so no calculating interference fit. A real time saver.

@rayworx Жыл бұрын

Wonderful watching you recut valve faces. Graduated from AAI in 1971 and they had only a few of the tools you have. The industry has made great strides since then.

@nerd1000ify Жыл бұрын

I once got a job making some tools (punches and pullers) for a local restorer who needed to remove valve guides and cam bearings from his Austin 7 engines. The Austin has a lot in common with the subject of this video, being a diminutive sidevalve inline 4. It even has similar squared off ports. There is one big difference though, the cylinders are a separate iron casting that is bolted to the aluminium block. Also the Austin has only two main bearings, presumably the crankshaft whips and bends like a noodle in there when the engine is running! Was a fun little side gig to work on, I also ended up making some jigs so he could drill exhaust manifolds and align the lifter guides in their bores.

@Dan_moon_sun Жыл бұрын

I think this engine only has two main bearings also. An earlier video showed this.

@eddiepatterson5025 Жыл бұрын

Love these longer videos. I enjoy the machining process. These little engines will definitely be breathing a whole lot better with this machine work. Thank you for sharing sir.

@lovesloudcars Жыл бұрын

Bonus! A valid excuse for buying more tools! Always look forward to watching both your short and long videos.

@markbrown-us4xe Жыл бұрын

A lot of knowledge goes in to every step. I wish my Dr. was as throe when I ask him to fix something rather than find a treatment. You guys Rock!

@izalman Жыл бұрын

Great little Continental engine.. simple and reliable. Fixed many fitted in Clark, Hyster and Caterpillar fork trucks many years back. Just love all the tooling and machines you and the cleaner use..

@WingspeedGarage Жыл бұрын

Beautiful work as always, very satisfying to watch!

@hobbit321a Жыл бұрын

LoL on the first valve seat removal I caught my self blowing at the filing from the head what a idiot 😮

@rogerwhiting9310 Жыл бұрын

Jay Leno described Honda 6 cylinder CBX bike valves are like golf tees. Love these videos.

@doxasnob8137 Жыл бұрын

They are so cute! Small stuff, still takes a lot of time and care. Great work as usual.

@JAMSIONLINE Жыл бұрын

Sometimes it takes more! Like this where it requires investing in more tools! Lol

@51-FS Жыл бұрын

I would of put one on my key chain

@dougankrum3328 Жыл бұрын

...I once owned a Lincoln welder with a Continental engine about this size...hand-crank...! But it did also have an electric starter...then, a forklift with even smaller motor...valves in the head..pushrods... Very nice to see you check/re-grind those 'new' valves...I've owned several Harley-Davidson Sportster Iron Head and older Knuckleheads...all have iron heads...I've bought New Harley valves and found them way out of tolerances that I'd like to have....especially when these valves are $25-30 each...and that old wooden 'valve stick'....still hard to beat...!

@jacquespoirier9071 Жыл бұрын

the way an engine should be remachined, nothing less. excellent work very good video

@samrodian919 Жыл бұрын

Superb piece of work! The cleaning guy taught you well. He's pretty handy round the shop isn't he? Sweeper upper, crank grinder, block and head washer, teacher and a FARMER, last but not least a good all round DAD! Keep up the good work guys. Cheers from England

@GIGABACHI Жыл бұрын

There's something MAGICAL about watching metal being machined. To me it feels like staring at an aquarium, it relaxes me so much. 👌🙂👍

@OscarOliu Жыл бұрын

I always wondered what the miniature side of my dads valve lapper was for!

@markcrofton3757 Жыл бұрын

You and your cleaner are the best. Hands down

@sjv6598 Жыл бұрын

Imperial to metric is pretty easy to convert. 25:32 is 19.8437mm. 25 divided by 32 multiplied by 25.4 gives you the number in millimetre 🙂

@shaynegadsden Жыл бұрын

Yeah i would have just said 20mm it's within tolerance

@jaswats9645 Жыл бұрын

I will never rebuild a block but I love the precision milling nonetheless.

@shaunwootton798 Жыл бұрын

Damn it! The person hammering in the background during the seat grinding on the second block almost gave me a heart attack!

@jeffhopper3526 3 ай бұрын

good job! love vids. Really like the fun with The Whippersnapper & The Cleaning Guy. Thanks, Nick!

@maxenielsen 5 ай бұрын

Respect for your attention to detail. Thank you for cultivating a fine work ethic.

@franklloyd96 10 ай бұрын

While the description says "tool only" it does come with one each of a bi-metal kzfaq.infoUgkx0vyBwjtx9GGOuiqUVT2sRoYqmDoNT_RI and HCS blade plus an adaptor plate for non-DeWalt blades. Wish I had known that before I bought the blade kit, but oh well. Since I already have a DeWalt drill, charger and batteries there was no need to buy more of those so this was a great deal.There is one other consideration. DeWalt does't sell the depth guide separately so you need to buy the three parts which make it up -- the N275350 block assy, the N275341 metal rod and the N278801 knob. Amazon does sell all three.

@phrodendekia Жыл бұрын

So now everyone can be sure to bring you their jeep engines

@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын

The Willys military Jeep I drove on Okinawa and Iwo Jima in 1954 had an “F” head engine with intakes in the head and exhaust valves in the block. Displacement was 134 C. I.

@kyleh3615 Жыл бұрын

And the flat head for the ww2 and early cj Jeeps was also 134 CID. Damn similar motor

@skylinefever 11 ай бұрын

@@kyleh3615 The Metalshaper channel has both, I found it fascinating.

@jamesjacobs1909 Жыл бұрын

I got to replace the exhaust seats on a 1929 Wakashaw. Had to borrow vintage tools to get the job done. Lot's of fun!

@bobbydazzler6990 Жыл бұрын

Do you mean "Waukesha"? 😂

@jamesjacobs1909 Жыл бұрын

@@bobbydazzler6990 Tomatoes, tomatoes, I'm just a hick boy from Chino CA.

@JohnH20111 Жыл бұрын

awesome work on those blocks!! massive respect to all of you guys

@davidhume237 Жыл бұрын

Very nice guys. Always love the machining.

@stephenpoe2037 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

@johnnystanley4469 Жыл бұрын

Nice work, it's nice having those awsome tools.

@currentbatches6205 Жыл бұрын

Interesting to see work on an engine which is totally new to me, and your explanation is both clear and concise. Last flattie I worked on was a Cushman (for a mini-bike - don't remember who made their motors) in the early '60s. 6:43 - To anyone listening, it makes perfect sense. Plus, it aids in heat transfer. 9:05 - And you'll avoid any heat warpage you might get from heavier cuts. 16:22 - Looks like you have a good customer.

@tobiasbostwick9002 Жыл бұрын

Mesmerizing. I just love it!

@erichildreth7562 Жыл бұрын

Your machine work is unreal!! Enjoy watching your repairs!! Thank you and yes I am subscribed to your channel. :)

@timfisher77 Жыл бұрын

tight tolerances, going by the book, but still using experience, exacting craftsmanship carefull, thorough & caring !! This kind of work is worth the big big bucks I would like you to put a copy of the bill in every video you make

@FuelMan Жыл бұрын

I will say one thing. Massey made some good motors as long as they were taken care of. I have a to35 that fires rite up just needs a clutch job. A friend has a to 20 that runs like a top. I enjoy the videos and interested in how the AC tractors are doing. We like AC tractors also. My friend has a wd45, D19, xt190, 7020. Used to harvest with Gleaner F combines.

@apackwestbound5946 11 ай бұрын

Another awesome display of machining excellence!

@bruceyoung1343 Жыл бұрын

Being an old motor head I find this very interesting. THANK YOU 🙏

@gregfisher216 Жыл бұрын

Wow, there is so much to know , you can't half do this and the engine hold up ! This is fascinating to watch !

@BobSmith-mc7uq Жыл бұрын

Top notch machine work. Many shops could take a lesson from you!!

@switch2472 Жыл бұрын

Doing a Kohler 38 cubic inch, 4-cylinder engine with very similar size valve gear-but it's OHV and 7mm valve stems. The rust cancer has been hard to deal with on that cylinder head as well.

@sonyhk3824 Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, you are the most disciplined at work. Cheers guys 👍

@michaeldavis3819 9 ай бұрын

Beautiful work! I envy your skills.

@rickh633 5 ай бұрын

Our shop does work for several local motorcycle and outdoor motorsports and we do work for the diesel industry. I have machined valves and seats with serdi and sunnen tooling from over 3" 1/2 stem to under .5 with 4mm stems. lots of fun

@pierremartel3552 Жыл бұрын

Learning every time that I watch your video!

@mikeolson7188 Жыл бұрын

You guys might be able to use the Tooling from Goodson that you needed to purchase on other cylinder heads such as on smaller 4 strroke outboards and on the 4 & 5 Valved motorcycle Cylinder Heads.Keep up the good work Fellas,i enjoy watching your work with the Serdi.I used to operated a couple diff boring bars at our shop(AMI and A Kwickway,AN Model)and i still have A old Sunnen Honing Machine that was in my Gramps shop that actually still works,We sold our Dealership 20 yrs ago and i had a small machine shop with a few decent machines to take care of the Machining needs on the Motorcycles and Boat motors we sold and Did repairs/Rebuilds on.

@theodoreshasta7846 Жыл бұрын

A bit of a mess, but your work is masterful. Thank you for this video!

@JAMSIONLINE Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@jacobthornock317 Жыл бұрын

I so want one of these cute engine blocks

@NukeXombie Жыл бұрын

Every video shows top quality 👌🏽

@kennethstaszak9990 Жыл бұрын

You give the cleaning guy breaks? Wow, you're too good to him!

@jimlangley840 Жыл бұрын

😅

@lecnac855 Жыл бұрын

Works for me.well done.

@neilcharlescochrane 10 ай бұрын

Just had to say the attention to detail is fantastic, great work guys and that includes the cleaning guy 😊

@ronbunker5778 Жыл бұрын

Another fun video!

@miceinoz1181 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant!

@jonathanjones7319 Жыл бұрын

In thirty years I never had to use that micrometer to set cutting dia for a false set. Nice video thank you.

@willkay73 Жыл бұрын

To an ADHD brain, there is something very soothing and relaxing to watching engine blocks and heads getting machined. It also holds my attention very well. Awesome work. Thank you.

@George_Soros. Жыл бұрын

love watching you videos as asmr

@KA4UPW Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the longer machining segmants!

@timot7746 Жыл бұрын

Nice job, this is what i want to see, machining done properly, not just quickly out of the door, it is hard to find a good machine shop today, we had a Cat C15 head in machine shop getting rebuilt, it came back assemled, but it was not even washed, it was dirty.

@rubenfloresmobileservicere375 Жыл бұрын

this build is looking nice

@tahustvedt Жыл бұрын

I love a job that needs new tools. It means I'm growing.

@user-gr4ij1ws8i 9 ай бұрын

Profesional bravo

@jasanmontgomery5232 Жыл бұрын

Just found your channel brother love it keep up the great work

@WHM_Engineering Жыл бұрын

fantastic videos guys as always, love it! one quick question - not sure if the video was edited in the exact order, but you checked the contact patch on the seats, then after that, reground the valves? i would have thought the newly reground valves should be the gauge for the seat cutting? surely grinding the valve faces after the seats is going to drop the valves slightly? please keep this content coming, one of my favourite channels !

@ronwilson6186 Жыл бұрын

Excellent videos

@MASI_forging Жыл бұрын

Great work as always.😄😄

@evankibbe590 Жыл бұрын

Nice they way they turned out 😊😊😊😊😊👍👍👍👍👍

@keithstudly6071 Жыл бұрын

Some thoughts 1) I was believing that the valves were generally just cut into the iron on engines of this vintage. Did all the Continentals come from the factory with hardened seats? 2) They must not have had much faith in their valve materials if they left the stems so very large on such small valves. 3) NOS parts can be a problem as it seemed that rejects often worked their way into the service part stocks. I had a 39 year old car that I was rebuilding the transmission on and the idler shafts were available but according to the experts they were all out of round just enough to be a problem. We knew a guy who ran a grinding shop and had him run off 200 of the shafts new and the transmissions with these were much better.

@dustinkile7705 Жыл бұрын

AWESOME

@Usimeca10 Жыл бұрын

Nice job

@luissandoval4977 Жыл бұрын

Very nice

@tedfarwell3132 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always but should have more Cleaning Guy action.

@JAMSIONLINE Жыл бұрын

Coming soon! Lol

@zaneturner4478 Жыл бұрын

The machines sure have changed a lot since I started and retired in the trade. You guys are awesome and some of the best at what you do compared to a lot of the fools who don't have a clue as to what they are doing.

@alanmize5627 Жыл бұрын

I have wotked on a number of those engs as they were also used in tennet sweepers and cub farmalls the cub was said to have 3 main brgs but I havent seen one.

@matthewthomas7429 Жыл бұрын

What's up, cleaning guy! Hope break is going well!!

@markhensley9378 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos and am very impressed with your confidence. At the risk of sounding stupid I want to ask you about the new guides. Do guides like this use a seal?

@cliffkennedy 28 күн бұрын

I do like to watch you work out a problem!!!

@FrancescoBarberaMusic Жыл бұрын

"twenty five thirty tooths"

@JAMSIONLINE Жыл бұрын

? 😐

@TheMuskokaman Жыл бұрын

Coulda been worse, Imagine Mike Tyson trying to say Thirty secondths😁

@severthesestrings Жыл бұрын

@@JAMSIONLINE Correct usage is 32nd not 32th. "thirtyseconds" not "thirtytwoths".

@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын

@@severthesestringsWell don’t you know that George Washington was born on February twenty tooth?

@Lotus_1776 Жыл бұрын

Didn’t get a notification even though I have them on. glad I found this video really enjoy them

@yobop6072 Жыл бұрын

....did I see a video of y'all doing some flat head work?....nice mill....and toys....pax....rew

@noelcastle3986 Жыл бұрын

Great vid thanks Allen interesting how you added the extra cylinder and changed the crank from 3x3 120degrees to 4x 90 degrees I presume , being a two stroke no problems with vave timing etc. How did you get the ignition to work with the different piston tdc positions your ingenious mind no doubt sorted it to perfection.

@blargblarghonk Жыл бұрын

Man you guys are grade a machinists. I have had multiple times where I paid a professional to redo valves and they fucked them up. Got out of being a mechanic for shit like that because I ended up eating way to much cost on shit because of someone elses fuck up.

@markcargill1185 Жыл бұрын

Investing in tools is never a waste.

@wilmamcdermott3065 Жыл бұрын

I have allways used A seat grinder for valve seats. And usally 3 angel

@IshTheDarkLord Жыл бұрын

Hey, I saw a yellow Courier in some other videos, I'd love to see some pictures or videos of it! Looks real cool, I have a couple of them myself

@futten3230 Жыл бұрын

metric conversion of imperial inciments its easy and 25/32 is 19,84375mm

@shiningcake Жыл бұрын

That cleaning guy is a hell of an employee

@richardscott2622 Жыл бұрын

Do you find that different manufacturers cast iron quality varies and which brand is considered to be premium as for machineability and resistance to corrosion..👍

@skylinefever 11 ай бұрын

Cast iron does vary, the best cast iron engines had a high nickel content. They are hard on tool bits, but they resist wear much better. The Buick Nailhead had a higher nickel content than many other GM engines of the time. As a result, nobody puts hardened valve seats in them to handle unleaded fuel. They only recut valve seats.

@kurtsimmons1587 3 ай бұрын

I worked for an aerospace company. We used a product called rustlick. After all of that machining have you ever thought about using WD-40 to help prevent the rust coming back?

@craigsnook3605 Жыл бұрын

Wait till you've got a Honda CB250 head to cut seats on. 4 cyl 16 valve heads for a watch lol. Exhaust valves not even 1/2 inch in diameter. That's getting small lol.

@JAMSIONLINE Жыл бұрын

Reasons I avoid motorcycle engines lol