The Ultimate LENS SHOWDOWN! | Sony 200-600 vs Canon 100-500 vs Nikon 180-600 vs Many More!
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Күн бұрынWhich One's The Right One For You? Nikon 180-600 vs Sony 200-600, Canon 100-50, Nikon 100-400, 400/4.5, 500pf, 200-500 & many more like the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary & the Tamron 150-600?
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 New Kid On The Block!
0:43 Sharpness Isn't Everything!
2:22 Nikon 180-600
4:59 Sony 200-600
8:25 Canon 100-500 RF
13:29 Nikon 100-400 Z & TCs
16:34 Nikon 200-500
18:09 500 pf & 4.5/400 & TCs
21:45 Third Party Lenses
23:29 Honorable Mentions
25:51 Final Thoughts
@victorlim5077 Жыл бұрын
Wow. The image stabilization on the 180-600 is amazing. 😮
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Yes
@victorlim5077 Жыл бұрын
@@jan_wegener Thanks for the comparison, Jan. I guess wildlife shooters are spoilt for choices nowadays. 😆
@fotoinstruct6971 Жыл бұрын
Now that Nikon seems to have regained it's mojo, I have several Pro friends switching from their Canon's. The reason is simple, similar quality, but at more affordable prices. Contrary to what most amateurs think, most professionals make very low incomes, and with the death of publications, it's harder than ever. Having worked in the Industry, I doubt if Canon will drop prices, it's not how the Japanese think. It's going to be interesting to see if Nikon's share of the Market has a significant increase over the next year. I've shot Canon since the introduction of the first EOS film cameras. Even retired, I'm now seriously thinking Nikon.
@alansach8437 Жыл бұрын
The 180-600 is a sweet lens, faster (at the long end), and longer (600 to 500) AND a thousand dollars cheaper than Canon's 100-500! Unbelievable that everyone else can come out with an affordable 6.3 600, but the best Canon can do is a thousand dollar fixed f11! If you want anything faster at 600mm, come up with $16,000.00!
@alwynsmit3546 Жыл бұрын
Just keep in mind, Nikon AF is not on par with Canon.
@georgewelch2366 Жыл бұрын
Nikon chose not to make the 180-600 an “S” lens which kept the price down, where the 100-500 is in Canon’s “L” line. It’s not quite an apples to apples comparison, but it definitely shows what a great performer and great value the Nikon lens is.
@kevc.2958 9 ай бұрын
@@georgewelch2366the sony is cheaper and sharper
@joanhuggett5164 Жыл бұрын
Really do appreciate your opinions, reviews and camera/lens news, Jan. We have a lot of trust in you. Think of you so often, wishing you well. Always pleased to see your regular uploads with awesome footage and stills.
@sbphotography3751 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Jan, with a very useful comparison. Good to see some healthy competition.
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, you have put an immense amount of work into this video and have a very balanced conclusion. Great respect for this dedication and real life experience. Something like this is unfortunately rare on many KZfaq channels these days, which are very focused on pushing a particular brand.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Sooch900 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking of how to word my thoughts and then I read this comment. It’s so perfectly stated and I could not have done a better job so I will say, please read the comment above because that’s how I feel EXACTLY! Great video!
@MB-dq2gz 10 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more. No hyperbole and controversy for views is nice for a change. After clicking do not recommend channels on some of the popular channels I have found some quality channels that I can get reliable information from. 👍
@dance2jam Жыл бұрын
Well said (as always), Jan. Thanks for always providing educational material. Hope you are feeling better!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes a bit better :)
@kui360 Жыл бұрын
Just really appreciate the amount of comparison details you offer. Thank you!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@cambodiabird Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. After this, I think I take Nikon 180-600mm more serious. It is hard to give up on Nikon 500mm PF :)
@joanneabramson2645 Жыл бұрын
I have a Nikon D500 and the 200-500mm as well as the 500 PF. Since getting the lighter 500 PF I am taking the 200-500 lens out much less. I have taken fabulous bird flight photos with both lenses. The Nikon Z9 was just too heavy and large to make me move to mirrorless. But the new release of the Nikon Z8, and the 180-600mm lens may be just the combination to make me try mirrorless. More reach and the versatility of a zoom with a lighter and faster focus is extremely helpful. I am waiting for the dust to settle and the recalls and firmware updates as well as the third-party instructions guide to be available. I will keep my D500. It is an amazing camera.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Yes that could be a compelling set up
@Trish12303 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for all of your work to produce this comparison video. It’s very well done. I have the Nikon Z 100-400. When paired with the Z8, it produces some beautiful images. I’m quite happy with it. Thanks again!!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
Nikon is having the edge with the Z 8 and 180-600. It is a wildlife dream combo for photo and video production along with the ability to use 8K 60p or oversampled 4K video footage.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Depends on your needs but it’s a great combo for sure
@lour7753 Жыл бұрын
I sold my D850 and 200-500mm as soon as I bought my Z9. I wanted to sell them both before they devalued any more. I then purchased the Z 400mm f/4.5. It’s an amazing lens, and I use it often for baseball and soccer coupled with my D4S and 70-200mm f/2.8E. I will probably buy the 180-600mm just because the price is so darn good.
@hishamosman4341 Жыл бұрын
Hmmm ..Nikon marketing people are really cunning. They make you dwell all earlier telephoto lenses first, then...they put out this 180-600! Anyway, all of the Z telephotos are superb regardless of which focal lenght
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
@@hishamosman4341 Who is forcing you to buy? It was all transparently communicated on the offical Nikon lens road map for Z-Mount.
@sswildlifevideos Жыл бұрын
Excellent, comprehensive video, Jan - I think this may be my favorite one of yours to date. As of now my 100-500 is my do it all lens with the R5 and R7. I'm hopeful Canon follows suite with something like a Nikon 180-600 for a reasonable price, or a RF DO prime lens.
@user-nb6wv3pf1g Жыл бұрын
I have the Z8 and found this video very helpful. I'll be getting the 180-600mm after seeing this review. Thanks! I appreciate the high quality comparisons.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@shaktidevmishra9521 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video and most detailed comparison done❤❤❤
@sahilkhullar006 Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of video have been looking for. Thanks for this amazing comparison
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@tomscott88 Жыл бұрын
Fab vid as always. Really love your content and hope you are feeling better! Glad the passion is helping and being out with the birds I’m sure is medicine in itself. I wouldn’t switch a system for one lens really. I am a near 20 year canon veteran, still on DSLRs as i mentioned in a comment on your last vid I have 2 5D4s 6D2 7D2 and a 70D. The canon mirrorless offerings seem good but at this point it doesn’t seem logical to buy the R5 as it’s getting toward the end of its life, I love my 5D4s sensor it’s a great size at 30mp. I don’t find myself limited by the sensor more the FPS and the AF although I still think the AF is good I get 60+% keepers which is pretty good I think. The R5 even with discounts are still really expensive about 3.7k in the UK with cash back and the 100-500 seems tempting but at twice the price of thw 100-400mkII? Doesn’t seem great value but I don’t have a big prime. Currently the 100-400 MKII is my biggest lens and the 100-500 doesn’t seem sharper from the charts I’ve seen but the 400 is a bit short for birds but 600 is still more than 500. 400-600 is a bigger jump, 400 to 500 is a couple of steps. I have loads of canon gear and desperate to jump in to mirrorless. I thought buying an r7 would be a good intro but with the experiences of you and Duade it seems like it’s a bitter sweet camera. The R3 doesn’t really appeal because of size and the 24mp of the r3, r6 and r62 would be a downgrade in resolution for me from all my FF DSLRs. DSLRs are also taking such a beating on the used market. My lower count 50k 5d4 trade value was £800 when an r5 is £4200 even 3 years later. My photographic work is all commercial and the 5D is an epic camera for that so doesn’t seem to make sense to drop 8.5k to replace them both… so ye not sure what to do. Probably stick for now as it’s more envy than my gear not working for me. I was thinking about trying to pick up a mkII 500 or 600 for 3-6k and wait for a r52.
@WernerBirdNature 11 ай бұрын
Hi Jan, Thanks for this very extensive showdown of most 'nearly affordable' wildlife lenses around, and as always perfectly spiced up with so many amazing birds ! It really looks like Nikon is at last getting its act together, so I'm looking forward to the response of Canon and Sony ! Nearly a year ago, my friend went from Z50 and 200-500 to the R7 and 100-500 (which he picked up on black Friday for less than 2400 Euros !!). His back is overjoyed with the weight savings and eye-AF and IQ are from another world. Also for me, the 100-500 remains the best option in this range with as main advantages the MFD and weight. With good light I often use the 1.4x and of course, 420 - 700 is a limited range. So I'm holding off from getting the 2x until I know what the 1/1.4/2 TC combo will offer and cost. Or whether the 300-800/8L will appear .. The EF 100-400Lii was awesome on my old 70D, but on the R6 it was waaaay too short .. so I'd only recommend it with the R7, although it didn't try it with the R5. The big white primes offer much better bokeh of course, but they cost way too much for me, are less flexible and weigh too much. One little mistake: @500m, the MFD of the 100-500 is 1.2m, not 0.95. But still twice as good as the 180-600 and 200-600.
@andretim75 Жыл бұрын
Jan - that is an amazingly informative Video ! So much valuable infos and great comparisons with so many Photos and Videos ! Absolutely great !
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
@@jan_wegener Your channel deserves a lot more subscribers with this type of quality.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas spread the word ;)
@zadnitsa Жыл бұрын
Big thanks Jan! I think most funny combo is lightweight flexibility combo. Like r7/r5 with 100-400/100-500 or nikon cameras with pf500 or 100-400/400 4.5. 180-600 is super cool but little heavy
@matthewbell1968 7 ай бұрын
Top drawer review this, you've put in a huge amount of time and effort here and it's really appreciated, thank you 👍
@jan_wegener 7 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@garnerboyd4206 6 ай бұрын
Over all the Nikon Z8, and the 180-600mm lens combination is right for me. The Final Deciding factor is image stabilization in hand held photo and videos. This is one major thing that can't be easily corrected after the fact like some of the others in Processing.
@lucmirabito2255 Жыл бұрын
R7+RF 100-400 was my choice because I can bring them everywhere when walking or cycling in nature. And I'm just an amateur (not fortunate) who enjoys spending time watching birds as much as photographing them. And sometimes happens the surprise (and the great pleasure ) of capturing a very nice shot. Magic...
@divercraig65 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Jan, bit of work in that one. You backed up my thinking with the R5/100-500 combo I have, would love to have 600mm reach though.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you Yes, more is always more hehe
@BudBetz Жыл бұрын
Jan, great comparison video! I shoot the Z9 and Z6II. I have the 500PF and 100-400 and have the 180-600 preordered. Looking forward to my own comparisons! Thanks for the great comparison review and looking forward to more! You Rock!!!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
awesome, thank you!
@csc-photo Жыл бұрын
Helpful comparison here, thanks! I decided to sell my 200-500 & FTZ, and pre-order the 180-600. This gets me fully in the Z system. I ordered in the first hour of announcement, so fingers crossed for that first wave of deliveries next month. Too many great features to pass up, I was most surprised at the internal zoom. And little things like the lock button on the lens hood. Very excited 👏🏻
@alistairmartins6970 11 ай бұрын
Im not a on a mirrorless and love my 200-500 for stills looking to capture video with a z2 and ftz is this a bad idea
@FlyinRyanProductions406 11 ай бұрын
Got mine today. Sold my 200-500 and couldn’t be happier. Definitely a leap ahead of the 200-500.
@Duade Жыл бұрын
Epic video mate, such a wonderful resource, just fantastic. Cheers, Duade
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mate!
@enigmabletchley6936 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video. I do a lot of thinking about cameras and lenses for wildlife and the setup I keep coming back to is the Canon R3, plus the 100-500, plus a TC1.4x for times I want more reach. My theory is that (a) Canon autofocus is impeccable and probably the best on the R3, (b) Canon lowlight performance plus use of noise reduction s/w mitigates slow aperture/high-iso shooting when using TCs, (c) weight! This is a surprisingly light combination even with the R3 because of the 100-500.
@cathco9 Жыл бұрын
What a great comprehensive review, Jan. Something for everyone. I shoot with the R5 + 100-500mm. I'm happy. I also have an R7 but don't use it too often. The new Nikkor 180-600mm is a great option for Nikon shooters. If I was shooting the Z8, I'd have this lens on pre-order. I hope you're feeling somewhat better. You sounded a bit tired in this video. Please rest up. Also, I like to watch Fabian Fopp as well. Nice shout out. Thanks Jan!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes still recovering but feeling better. I did film this late at night 😉
@gaucphotography Жыл бұрын
Wow what a comprehensive review. Definitely there are a lot of good choices for the different systems. Ultimately it is about going out and taking picture. Thanks again…
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Totally is. I must say I was kind of surprised how similar the lenses were in terms of sharpness. Is and af is the big ones these days
@lisab8078 Жыл бұрын
Since I switched to mirrorless I have been slowly moving away from canon, I've tried Fuji then Sony - intending to buy the 200-600 but never quite did instead I bought the canon 800 to go with my rf100-400 - and now I have just tried Nikon - in the lens I have I noticed exactly what you said - how amazing the lens stabilisation of the Nikon was and I loved this - so I am thinking that over the next year I am selling my canon rf gear and moving to Nikon - I love the idea of the 400 f4.5 but will probably also consider the 180-600 - and I have learnt that I prefer black lenses to white.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! So many options!
@Icecoldvibez 9 ай бұрын
I would like to buy your rf gear ;)
@axelhildebrandt Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison and common sense approach, Jan! The great thing is one can hardly go wrong with all those brands and 100-500 or 180/200-600 range lenses. In the field, I see many photographers with those zoom lenses. If it is in the budget, a prime 600f4 complements these lenses perfectly.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@wildlifephotographytipsand1367 Жыл бұрын
Yet another brilliant (dare I say masterclass?) video. Wishing you very well. I'm a Sony convert, having used Nikon, then Canon in the past. I still have the original A9 as my primary body. and have the 200-600 and 100-400 with both converters. I love this set up but cannot wait to see the Sony A9 III. If that body doesn't appeal I may dive in to the A1 - but there are deficiencies in that body, some of which you mentioned in your video (oh, and the price!).
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, A9 III will be interesting
@j4kke046 Жыл бұрын
Ahhhh Sunday, nice weather in Belgium and a new Jan wegener video! 🥳🤩😄
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Enjoy!
@FQ8 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always and a very good point about the internal zooms being bigger (in the bag).
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
I always prefer internal zoom instead of a dust pump which changes it's weight on a gimbal.
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
The Nikon image stabilization looks awesome in the video. It's handheld like a tripod.
@bryanlovephotography Жыл бұрын
Great video, Jan! I think the Sony 200-600 is one of the best zoom lenses out there! I agree with you that the Canon 100-500 is insanely good too though. Great news about all of this is that no matter what system you're in, there are excellent resources to get amazing images. I think dedicating to one system and learning it inside-out is the best way to get maximum results. I greatly enjoy your content.
@DrSarge37 10 ай бұрын
Do you think the 200-600 is better than the Sigma 150-600?
@acastillafotos 2 ай бұрын
X2
@rbob4931 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, as expected. I have personally owned and used all but three of the lenses mentioned here, the 180-600mm is in its way. 😅 Your assessments are right on. No need for additional comments. I did played with the Sony 200-600mm and the Canon 100-500mm. All fine lenses paired with excellent cameras. At the end of the day, is the photographer that makes the difference. Hope you are continuing to recover. Take care!
@dpfreedman Жыл бұрын
Wonderful overview of available options but, WOW, those sample images were spectacular!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@brentririe9156 9 ай бұрын
Great review, Jan! You are so helpful to us who are trying to make purchase decisions. I would be eager to hear your comparative thoughts on the new Nikon 600 f/6.3 vs. Nikon 180-600. I just received the 600 f/6.3, and like so many others, am still waiting to receive the 180-600. I used the 600 with the 1.4x TC and thought it introduced a little softness. Maybe, as you have suggested in your reviews, I need to stop down a bit. I'll give it a try. Regardless, do you have any early impressions or opinions in comparing these two lenses?
@Surveymonster Жыл бұрын
Amazing video and assessment. This is exactly what I was looking for. I had a Canon R5 with the 100-500 and the extender. I had a hard time with flying birds, mostly due to user error. I switched to the z8 and 500mm PF. Noticed a higher keeper rate with the settings you recommended than my R5 combo. So thanks for all your videos; they really change our lives!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
That’s great to hear, happy I could help
@six66red14 Жыл бұрын
Merci Jan pour la vidéo et les testes.
@DanDill Жыл бұрын
Whew! What a lot of work! Thank you.
@normangrafaviationphotogra4548 Жыл бұрын
An excellent compendium of an impressive array of lenses, with the appropriate inclusion of multiple camera bodies. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this! I've been shooting the Canon R5+RF100-500mm combination since the summer of 2020 and have been very happy with the results. However, I have often been limited by the reach and frustrated with the restrictions when using the 1.4x tele-converter. It seems that as soon as I put it on for a distant bird, another shows up too close. The Nikon Z8+180-600mm is very appealing and would probably be my choice if I were starting fresh. But for now I'll budget those funds for an exotic birding safari and "make do" with what I already have.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Yes the extender use on the 100-500 is a bit annoying! Thanks for sharing
@enricoforster5309 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video. I own the 200 - 500 and used it a lot, it works well on the Z9 but it doesn’t nail every shot and birds in flight for an extended time put quite a lot of strain on your arms. I rented the 100 - 400 for a safari and I‘m happy with the performance and the almost macro, but I missed the option to zoom beyond the 400 quite often. I own the 400 4,5 and the image quality even with the 1,4TC is amazing and it is so incredibly light and easy to handle - but no zooming and putting on and off the TC in a dusty environment is something I try to avoid even with the sensor protection in the Z9. So I ordered the 180 - 600 and I look forward to what I‘ll be able to do. I‘ll probably miss the close range, but you have to compromise somewhere 🤷♂️
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for sharing!
@juliancolorado6013 Жыл бұрын
One of the best lens review out there
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@redauwg911 Жыл бұрын
So the Nikon 180-600 and 70-170,2.8,,,, Cost about the same as the Canon 100-500
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Which costs about the same as the Nikon 100-400 ;)
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
But yes, those two lenses are very aggressively priced
@seantomlinson3320 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video I really enjoyed that. I’m a Nikon shooter and I have a 500 PF but I’m going to sell it to get to the 180-600 because I want the flexibility and I want a long zoom because I’ve held off on the 100 to 400.
@realnikonlover6207 Жыл бұрын
I have added the Z9 to my stable after shooting the D850. I have too many F mounts to count and have pre-ordered the 180-600 in order to move the 200-500 to back up status. Z9 is incredible and look forward to adding the new super tele to my go to lens selection.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Nice
@bigboi36 Жыл бұрын
A great informative video. Hopefully when I get my 180-600mm and pair it with my Z50 I will get your presets for lightroom. Currently, I use Capture One for everything. I still have LR though.
@brianhoward5566 Жыл бұрын
I have been using a Sigma 150-600 DG on my Z7ii for years. (I purchased the Z7ii when they first came out. Before that, I used the Sigma on my D7200.) LOVE the Sigma and have a lot of nice photos with that lens. Earlier this year I decided it was time to get a native Z lens for the Z7ii and rented a Z mount 100-400 lens. Nice lens and found that my "keeper rate" was a lot higher with that lens. Stabilization was a large portion of what I enjoyed about the 100-400. The close focus was a very nice bonus as I missed a good shot of a Cayman and a heron last year with the Sigma when our boat floated too close to the subject. In the end, I passed on the 100-400. The extra 200mm and stop or so of aperture was just more than I could accept - and definitely not (to me) worth the price difference at nearly 3X the price. The 180-600 Z lens looks to be what I was waiting for - at least based on your video and the specs. I'm used to the focal range, aperture and really looking forward to all the extra goodies the Z system has over the Sigma. Not sure if I can part with the old sigma lens though - too many really nice shots as they really have a nice lens at a good price... the 180-600 has some really big shoes to fill! Now I'm wondering if my wife would notice if the 7 turned to an 8 on my Z camera ....
@brucegraner5901 Жыл бұрын
An outstanding analysis and comprehensive overview of just about all the best zooms (and some primes) for wildlife photography currently on the market. I recently was able to test the R7 with a 600mm f11 lens and was impressed. However, I think the combination to wait for might be the R7 Mark 2 and 100-500mm lens. Since I shoot MFT I'd very much like to get your opinion on some of the offerings in those systems for wildlife work someday.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Yes that could be a nice combo. I’d like to try it. But have not gotten my hands on any gear
@minusinfinity6974 Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention two things about the Nikon 180-600. Firstly the tripod collar can be completely removed and brings weight down to 1955g and secondly the mfd may be the same as the Sony 200-600 but the max magnification is 0.25x vs 0.2x. The Nikon has less focus breathing at mfd. 25% more magnification at the same distance is a substantial improvement. The reason I loathe the Canon is more about the obscene Australian pricing of $4900 nearly all the time with an occasional sale bringing it down to $4399. That's simply outrageous when the Sony 200-600 is easily found for $2400 or so and can go cheaper. Also you get 20% more reach and 1/3rd stop faster speed. I would possibly accept the Canon price if it were 100-500 f/5.6 and there were no restrictions using the TC's. I don't care how good NR is, I would still rather work with a file with lower IOS. Effectively the Sony and Nikon 600mm zooms give you 2/3rd's stop better noise as you can scale them down to 500mm to produce about 13/rd stop lower noise on top of the inherent 1/3rd stop lower ISO to start with. Alternatively scaling the Canon 500mm to 600mm would result in about another 1/3rd stop more noise. If I can get the SOny for $2400 I would not pay more than $1500 for the Canon.
@borocotochacha Жыл бұрын
This point is the one no biased reviewers talk about. Canons darkness... pay more for less light, increasing noise, increasing time invested editing and applying NR. As a professional photographer who sells hundreds of photos per month, adding just a few adjustments to mostly low light enviroments, where I go up to ISO 16000 with Z9 and ISO 20000 with Z6II... Nikon Z is by far the best system to use in most enviroments.
@terencetang4990 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Great reviews👍
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@murilohenriquebedore84 7 ай бұрын
Amazing video! I would love to see a video about the fuji xh2s with the 150-600.
@williamchan8866 Ай бұрын
Yes that would be great. The Fuji has very consistent performance throughout its entire zoom range, whereas Sony and Nikon does show some differences along its range.
@NikonDave Жыл бұрын
Only ever shot it on the Leica SL2 but the Sigma 60-600mm DG DN was a fantastic rendering (albeit heavy) lens option. Can't speak to the Sony version. 180-600mm was preordered when it became available to do so. Hopefully I'll see mine in early September. Thanks for the comparison.
@philipgowdy Жыл бұрын
Another great video with all the Stats and important recommendations although these were all very expensive lenses. I got into Bird photography with the Sigma 100-400 with the Sony A7111 moving quickly on to the A9 and then ending up with the Sony 200-600 plus 1x4 TC.. Still use the 100-400mm a lot, Simply because when trecking miles and miles the 200-600mm becomes too heavy plus Binoculars etc. Would be nice to see you take a look at the sigma 100-400mm which is super cheap in comparison to all the rest. Regards.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Yes there’s a lot of lenses out there but I don’t always have access to all of them
@digvijaychaugle174 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this fantastic video Jan!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@drbeardo6960 Жыл бұрын
Rocking my old set-ups Nikon D7200 with Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 Canon M50 with Sigma 150-600
@TheMainakg Жыл бұрын
On a Z8, the F mount 300mm f4 PF lens can be added with a 1.4x converter, giving you a 420mm f5.6, sharp right at f5.6 and weighing a kilogram or so. It is unbeatable in weight, has a closest focus at 1.4 meter, provides excellent magnification, AF is almost as fast as the Z 400mm f4.5 but less responsive to minor changes. It costs much less, is smaller and with 77mm filter thread, allows use of polarizer when necessary. I have tested this combination on Z8 with comparison to a 600 mm f4 FL ED, a 200-500 mm f5.6 as well as a Z mount 400mm f4.5 coupled to a Z6 II .. the 300mm f4 PF with 1 4 TC is almost as good as anyone of the others except the clear edge to the top prime.
@livejames9374 Жыл бұрын
Why not just use the 500PF?
@TheMainakg Жыл бұрын
@@livejames9374 because as I wrote ( a minimum focus distance of 1.4 m and half the price of 500mm f5.6 PF, you also get around 500gm less weight this way)
@livejames9374 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMainakg I’ve been seeing used like new 300PF going for $800. Heck of a steal if you ask me. I went with 500PF long ago because I need all the reach I can get and still often need more.
@carlmcneill1139 Жыл бұрын
I have borrowed a friend's Nikon 200-500mm before. It was ok but I found that the image stabilization was a little jumpy. I placed my order for the 180-600mm the morning it was announced. I got an email from my camera store around midnight. I can't wait to get it.
@adzy_edwards Жыл бұрын
Another great video mate, Dumping my 200-500 for the 180-600, keeping 500pf and 600f4
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Sounds great!
@michaelpeppersack8599 Жыл бұрын
I love my canon 100-500 rf lens with the 1.4x ! got used to it only retracting to 300 mm
@eurika391 Жыл бұрын
Hello Jan, thanks for the excellent coverage of all the latest cameras and lenses. I currently have a d500 & Nikon 200 - 500. I would like to consider the z8 and the Nikon 150 - 600. Any information about this combination. The Z9 is quite expensive.
@KrynexYT Жыл бұрын
Great work, Jan.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@EugeneMaynard Жыл бұрын
Great work!👏🏾👍🏾🙏🏾
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@isrenaat Жыл бұрын
Great video! It was very interesting! Thank you very much! I will wait test of Nikon 180-600 with extenders!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes testing is always a good idea
@quietandy78 Жыл бұрын
Great video, I was borderline selling all my Nikon kit (2xZ6ii with 24-70&70-200 f2.8 and 200-500) and moving to Canon mirrorless, but I'm now thinking that replacing the 200-500 with the 180-600 would be a better option and maybe look into getting a Z8/9.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
It’s would be the cheaper option for sure
@quietandy78 Жыл бұрын
Will be a cheaper option but I'm not sure if it's the best one
@livejames9374 Жыл бұрын
@@quietandy78I’d focus on lenses as camera bodies are improved frequently. The Z 24-70 and 70-200 outperform the RF versions. So you’re winning there. 100mm is more valuable than 80mm on the short end for most wildlife. So you’ll be winning there as well if you were to upgrade. Z8 is a night and day improvement over Z6ii. R5ii doesn’t exist yet so canon doesn’t have anything that tops Z8. Wins all around.
@koenpijpersphotography 11 ай бұрын
@@quietandy78 off course it is the best one if you allready invested so heavily in Nikon mirrorless kit. Canon aint got no plusses nothing on Nikon expect for maybe lazy autofocus modes. Which doesn't really matter anymore with the latest bodies and mirrorless lenses. You should get plenty keepers now even for birding.
@thinkingape7655 Жыл бұрын
Worth a look is the new Sigma 60-600mm on Sony is hard to beat, especially if you’re shooting below 15fps. I think it out resolves the 200-600mm on the A7r4, and has better AF and Stabilization too. Sadly no t/c option yet. The Fuji 150-600mm is fantastic, however has some challenges with diffraction on the 40mp bodies. It also excels in colder conditions vs hot desert air. The nikkor 200-500mm with d810/d850 was my daily driver for a few years, but required a tad more maintenance to handle dust inside the lens. Yet it will always have a place in my kit. I haven’t found the “perfect wildlife combo” yet, but the hunt has been a blast. 😎
@avnerbenzvi8757 Жыл бұрын
Thanks I use Nikon Z8 with Z 100-400 (+ Z TC 1.4). great work
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@vegeta4286 Жыл бұрын
thank you very much for this helpful video.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@PrimalShutter Жыл бұрын
From samples I've seen in the past weeks, background seems more pleasing with the nikon, still I wish they had a z50 II to match with the 400/4.5, that would make a 1kg lighter setup than the 200-600 for the same performance
@barryfrost4399 Жыл бұрын
I surprised Canon doesn’t release a pro level APSC mirrorless camera like the 7DII DSLR to pair with the 100-500. This might give Sony and Nikon some competition!
@dannyd.9637 Жыл бұрын
R7!
@thefourthquarter7429 Жыл бұрын
@@dannyd.9637Nope. Not close to what I want. I want an actual flagship level APC camera. That includes a bright, high resolution EVF and card types that clear the buffer very quickly. Sadly, no one makes an APC camera that checks all the boxes. Too make matters worse for Canon shooters is the 100-500 is slow. The F7.1 is an issue, contrary to what this reviewer suggests. None of these lenses are great in low light, but the Canon is slightly worse. It is light and wide, but most wildlife photographers would prefer it to be longer. Plus, it's heavily overpriced. If you want great results with these lenses, you really need a full frame body. It is what it is.
@jcphenix1 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Unfortunately, at this point, there is still no competition for the R7 from Nikon or Sony. Fuji marginally...I never get the number, but I'm pretty sure the R7 is a huge, huge, huge, Source of income/sale for Canon, and a pro level R7 will be a tsunami. (I jumped my ship from D500 to R7...)
@przybylskipawel Жыл бұрын
I use Sigma Sport 60-600mm EF on my R5 and few other bodies. I has great IQ and works OK in terms of AF and IS. I don't have any comparison to other lenses though. Pity that you didn't manage to test Sigma Sport lineup lenses. They are infinitely better than Tamron and Contemporary lenses in terms of AF and IS. Also I appreciate drop-in Variable ND filters for video.
@kclarkeadventures Жыл бұрын
Great video. I currently own R5 with RF100-500. I have been thinking about going to the Z8 with the 180-600. Sitting on the fence about what is best to do. Thanks
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
No need to rush anything. Both are great combos. Maybe you get the chance to try out the 180-600. The biggest difference is weight. The 100-500 combo is significantly lighter
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
@@jan_wegener But the 180-600 is all internal zoom which i would prefer.
@aprilcampbell1244 Жыл бұрын
Jan, What combo do you recommend for shooting in the Neotropics? Great video and you sound so vigorous. Love your stuff, mate!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Would that be your main lens? I have had very good results in the forest with R5 & 100-500. Canon and Sony AF have an edge there
@thephotoyak Жыл бұрын
Good and fair assessment. All these lenses are superb! I have the Z 100-400. Great flexible wildlife lens, plus it pairs well with the Z 24-120 for landscape. Fingers crossed Nikon brings out a 600mm 5.6 PF prime. That would be a dream pairing.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
That would be nice but seems a bit unlikely at this stage but who knows
@thewatchkeeper3619 Жыл бұрын
When are you ever using anything less than about 350 for wildlife?
@thephotoyak Жыл бұрын
@@thewatchkeeper3619 fairly often, trying to get environmental context.
@frankf.6699 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison Jan! Nikon does a very good job with their new lenses. As an R5 user, I was in doubt to spend such a lot of money for such a slow and expensive lens, like the RF 100-500. But at the moment I owned it, all doubts were gone and I agree with you, it's a phantastic lens! Even with a 1.4 extender it is very sharp and I'm happy with the performance. Sure, because it's really slow then, you need a work around with a denoise software and the limited zoomrange, whith attached converter is strange, but for me, the tripod collar is an impertinance. At least mine cannot be tightened properly. Some transparent tape wrapped around the lens helped, but such a "hack" is absurd. At such a pricepoint I would expect a much better manufacturing quality and an arca-compatible foot.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Yes great lens with a few flaws
@dfinlay587 Жыл бұрын
I have pre-ordered the 180-600. I have been waiting for a longer option to my 70-300. Looking forward to exploring what I can do with it.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@tc6912 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting all this together. I am a Z8 owner with the 500pf and the 100-400. Tough choices ahead, but I would like to be all Z mount. At 14:28 you campare the 180-600 to the 100-400. Has the 100-400 image been cropped to match the 600 or did you move closer? Same question for the 500pf and 400/4.5.
@johnforbes4795 Жыл бұрын
Nice review. I put in my pre-order for the Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 a couple of weeks ago pairing with both my Z8 and Z9. I strongly considered the Nikon Z 100-400mm instead, but went with the longer reach of the 180-600mm. I may get the Nikon Z 100-400mm down the road, but meanwhile I have my old F-mount Sigma 100-400mm f 5-6.3 Contemporary lens which is perfectly fine for landscapes, but I would expect not as good a the Z 100-400 for movement.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Yes the Nikon 100-400 would have significantly better VR
@Skye_the_toller Жыл бұрын
For now, I have the 100-400 and keep my tc1.4 in my pocket… not sure in the difference with 600mm worth it… I waiting for further review befor decide if I will jump for the new 180-600…
@jwalinrami.photos Жыл бұрын
Thanks as always for a great review and comparison vid. I started my journey with Nikon Film and Dslr, switched to Sony when they introduced mirrorless which wasn’t a bad time 8 years ago. However, now that Nikon has finally introduced superior bodies and lens with market leading stabilization, am wondering of my choice. Specially as am heavily invested in Sony and their the stabilization is horrific (in comparison) and no sign of a1 firmware to fix it either.
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
The good thing is you can use all your Sony E-Mount lenses on a Nikon Z-Mount camera using the tiny adapters from Megadap, Techart and Fotodiox which all do autofocus as well on the Z-Mount.
@FlokiXCII Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison Jan :)! I have the Nikon 400mm 4.5 and I am considering buying the new 180-600mm lens for more flexibility in the field.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! The 400 is an awesome lens, but it’s sometimes nice being able to zoom 😀
@DmitryBrodsky007 Жыл бұрын
Great video and I had some of these lenses. I know you kept it to full frame lenses but it would be interesting if you added some crop combos like Olympus om1 with 100-400lens. Love Olympus tele lenses as they all have minimum focusing distance at around 1.3 meters at tele end and are very compact. I guess Fuji XH2 or xh3s with 150-600 could be considered too but imho om1 bird eye detection is better. I have Sony a1 and om1 and I think when it comes to birds om1 makes a strong choice at a price of about $3000 (om1 plus 100-400) which is 800mm equivalent
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
The Fuji made the honorable mentions in the video 😀
@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone finally had the nerve to say it: “Sharpness isn’t everything.” Some would likely argue that they never said it was “everything.” Still, I think there is great over emphasis on sharpness as the critical measure of a lens. Really, these days we are mostly talking about relative sharpness because I’m not sure I can even name a modern lens that is not reasonably sharp. Personally, I think such talk it’s mostly for gearheads interested primarily in the technology more than the photo subjects and stories they tell.
@pawelmod3292 Жыл бұрын
You can finally say that sharpness is not everything as today lenses are mostly sharp. I suppose that for most scenarios you wouldn’t like to use soft lenses…
@alansach8437 Жыл бұрын
Just like noise isn't everything. I still know photographers who pack it in if they have to go over 800 ISO. With today's software coupled with today's cameras, it is pretty easy to mitigate a fair amount of softness and noise.
@borocotochacha Жыл бұрын
Most cheap and some not so RF lenses are softer than analog ones from 50 years ago. If someone is happy paying for that, good for him but is just abuse. Also sharp lenses combined with good sensors let you crop without losing detail. I see a big difference when shooting at ISO 16000 between a soft and a sharp one. Noise gets amplified. That´s also why a third of stop darker limits me from getting the job done. There are too many reviewers just compareing and using only equipments for birding. Go shoot entire dark events and you will find out how important a sharp lens is.
@minnesotasteve9382 11 ай бұрын
I do think this depends on your shooting style. I shoot water birds from a kayak and am always at the long end of a lens and then often still too short. Cropping is required. Sharper lenses crop significantly better. So a lot depends on how you shoot.
@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 11 ай бұрын
@@minnesotasteve9382 Much of my shooting is water birds from a kayak and other handheld.
@leonardscotto2870 Жыл бұрын
Another informative video Jan, fantastic. Has there been any talk of Canon getting into the 200-600mm lens market at a reasonable price? That would be amazing as well!
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Many people talk about it and hope so, but Canon has yet to listen
@neuregu0 Жыл бұрын
Very nice and practice review ! Thanks. I am getting my Canon 100-500, since I only shoot Canon. But I do wish RF 150-600 exists!
@KungPowEnterFist Жыл бұрын
Jan, looks like we are learning. As I commented in another recent video that you responded to, sharpness is not everything. Pretty much every lens these days is incredibly sharp if you know how to use them and stick to a few rules. I think lens sharpness is more of a concern when you go with 1.4x and 2.0x TC's, as not all of these supposedly sharp lenses are consistently sharp enough with TC's. I have shot with the Sony E 200-600, the Canon RF 100-500, and the Nikon Z 100-400, all with and without their 1.4x and 2.0x TC's. The Sony is not good with its 1.4x TC, and its a disaster with the 2.0x TC. The terrible VR on that lens is a big problem overall, especially at lower shutter speeds and in less than full sun. This is a highly overrated and overpriced lens, IMO. The Canon is meh with the 1.4x TC, and not good with the 2.0x TC. The zoom limitation with a TC attached is quite the annoyance, f7.1 feels a lot closer to f8.0 in reality, no bueno near dawn and dusk, and its a pumper lens. The Nikon 100-400 is the superior lens of this bunch, f5.6 actually feels like f5.6, it is great with the 1.4x TC, and its ok with the 2.0x TC in full sun. The only real drawback of the Nikon 100-400 is that it is a pumper lens. Nikon nailed everything else on it. Looking forward to getting my hands on a Nikon Z 180-600. Personally, I do not have high hopes for that lens with the 1.4x TC, but we'll see.
@pjimmbojimmbo1990 Жыл бұрын
I have been using the Nikon 200-500mm since 2015. It works well on my Z9. How the 180-600mm is looking good.
@markkuliimatainen4409 Жыл бұрын
Great video once again! I Ordered a Nikon 180-600mm to replace my Sigma 150-600S
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Have fun!
@erkkisiekkinen286 8 ай бұрын
Many thanks for an excellent review. On Sony land I use Tamron 50-400mm lens when dont need so much reach on feeding places etc. It is very versatile and sharp lens and price is nice in Finland 1200 eur.
@RobertThomas-fw9un Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, incredible work and you covered ALMOST all the permutations. The one that has me curious is using the Sony 200-600mm on a Z8/Z9 via a MegaDap adapter. I still have my Sony 200-600mm from shooting Sony and have tried adapting it to the Z9. I only gave it cursory consideration--it worked okay, but I didn't fully vet it. With the release of the new Nikon and the new MegaDap adapter I wonder if the Sony/Nikon is a truly viable option?
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Not something I'd want to try, I am sure it will work, but never as good as a native solution
@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas Жыл бұрын
I would buy the Nikkor lens for the use on a Z 9 because those Sony adapters can stop to work after a firmware update of the camera or can introduce compatibility issues.
@Bikash_Jana Жыл бұрын
Excellent Video ❤
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@xophaser Жыл бұрын
As a casual/ hardly a wildlife photographer, it is an easy pick, the cheapest one. With best AF so maybe first party. Nikkor 180-600 as a nikon user. Might rent nicer primes.
@steveparent8788 Жыл бұрын
Very good informative video. The cameras are so good that is a must to attach a good zoom lens. Like you I am going for zoom lenses. Focusing speed, image quality and stabilization. I can't afford to change equipment like you but I am very very satisfy with the decisions I made regarding my camera/lens choice. I know you work hard and please don't burn out yourself. Your videos are references Jan !
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Sounds Great, Thank you!
@MrTmiket0007 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always Jan 🐦👍🤗
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
My pleasure 😊
@pelaozoom Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, I currently have an A7IV+200-600 and I'm thinking of switching to a Z8+180-600 or A1+200-600. I really like Nikon's video capabilities but Sony's AF too. thanks for the video it will help me more in the selection :)
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Lots of choices! Sony’s IS is quite the let down for handheld video but the AF in photo mode is awesome
@heartflame503 Жыл бұрын
Thanks ! nice comparison of these lenses. I go shooting with 2 friends .. I am the Nikon user one uses the Canon and the other uses the Sony system !! LOL its expensive keeping up with the Jones ;-) !! the images from my friend's 200-600 Sony were stunning !
@willherondale6367 Жыл бұрын
Great video Jan. My big question about the 180-600 is whether it suffers from the same focus breathing issue that the Sony 200-600 does. If so, that would significantly reduce its reach advantage over the 100-500 at ideal working distances (though not at longer range). Thanks!
@georgewelch2366 Жыл бұрын
They have an earlier video that shows that the 100-500 does not suffer from this issue.
@willherondale6367 Жыл бұрын
@@georgewelch2366 I was asking about the 180-600.
@ForrestWest Жыл бұрын
I have the Sony A7iv and the 200-600mm lens but I'm not bringing it out as often and using it more on the tripod since I got the Canon R7 and rf100-400mm. I'm getting 160-640mm field of view in an incredibly lightweight and fun to carry package. It's nice to have the Sony set up on a tripod and have the Canon combo on a shoulder strap ready for action in any direction. It's the best mirrorless hiking and daily carry combo out there I think for affordability and light weight and image quality all combined.
@jan_wegener Жыл бұрын
Yes that combo is pretty amazing!
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