Me when my mini-nuke launcher is worse at removing armor than a funny little assault rifle

“I’m a strong, independent dwarf, I don’t need any help!” Said every driller ever

Driller's Subata double shot mod does increased armor damage.

You also forgot about very important part: if damage would break armor, that damage is also dealt to the body underneath. Thats why armor break is also incredibly good with high single damage, like hyperpropellant pgl, and m1000

The gas recycling OC for the dual smgs for scout just peels praetorians in an instant! Since I run that with an AI GK2 it pairs quite well.

Driller breaking praetorian armor with drills for the benefit of the team is legit though, in the right situation and if you don't have freeze

"My armor can't be broken, foolish dwarf!" Me, with my Corrosive Sludge Pump: "I don't recall asking"

I want to clarify that this maintenance patch only fixed DIRECT DAMAGE PROJECTILE armor break. Essentially when a direct dmg weapon hits armor, if that shot breaks the armor the shot is supposed to do full dmg and not get reduced. Projectile weapons like drak, hurricane and Pgl were bugged to not do this. Now that it works, the armor breaking mod allows hyper to deal full dmg to a shellback through armor on its first shot. Furthermore aoe dmg (or radial dmg as the game calls it) armor break only does 25% of their dmg to armor. This is why pgl does not fully strip praetorian armor even with the armor break mod. For a long time this was believed to be a bug but was confirmed by the devs sometime last year to be intentional. For that reason, it is strongly advised to not take armor break on aoe focused weapons, especially aoe pgl builds (so basically not hyper prop). Not only is pgl a very low dmg aoe weapon, the armor break mod also competes with the incendiary mod which solves pgl’s biggest issue: Horrific dmg fall off. And this is because the heat mod has 0 dmg fall off. Tldr As a general rule, I’d recommend, avoiding armor break on aoe weapons and only take it on direct dmg weapons it where it isn’t competing with a dmg mod

Excellent video! Super informative as usual! One small thing: You missed my favorite way to break armor, the Zhukov's Gas Recycling overclock. Throw in an IFG and conductive bullets and let it rip and you can defeat a praetorian in seconds flat.

I wish they'd update the wiki to show the 3D models of the Spreader and Stingtail with their respective armor color-coding.

I mean...Driller doesn't really need armor breaking since all of his primaries and secondaries just bypass it (except the Subata)

Gas Recycling on the Zhukovs did get a buff relatively recently to have a bunch of armour breaking, a pretty fun option on the scout :)

I don't think there's anything sadder than the PGL being THIS useless against armor. I mean... come on! The Breach Cutter just gets ALL the love! I like the Breach Cutter, but they really have to put these two side by side and really understand just how messed up it is that the Breach Cutter is just better at everything until you get to the Hyper Prop and Fatboy OCs. But these just turn the PGL into a niche use gun. Only exception is the RJ250 Compound, which is just fun, sure. But meanwhile, the Breach Cutter gets to ignore armor and shred it at the same time, it gets more ammo, it can fire more than one shot before reloading because it has a magazine, and it has a potential to hit way more enemies, so much so that it can almost be used as second primary. And this is BEFORE we get to the Overclocks which make it EVEN better at any of these things.

Driller gang. Armor is just bug decoration!

5:01 ah yes the DRG TF2 MGRR collaboration I was waiting for

I ran armor breaking on the minigun exclusively since I started playing. I didn't care that everybody said stun was better, I liked having that option when I needed it. Finally, I tried out stun, and fell in love with it. Also, armor wasn't that bad. 2 days later, armor got buffed. *Sigh*

You forgot to mention that the Stingtails, one of the most annoying enemies in the game, have heavy armor carapaces.

I just returned to the game after plating last time in season 3 and found this really helpful! Thank you!

I love it how even mechanically the driller is the odd one out. He really has a specific target audience LOL

Awesome videos as always!

Thank you! I have needed to know this for a while.

Driller: **eyes glowing** 'im 3 steps ahead of, AT ALL TIMES'

I like this video alot it tells me everything i already knew because i have been playing since 2018

I picket up this game a week ago and decided I want to max out the driller before touching other classes and thanks to your video I now know there's armor in the game

9:01 Also, Temp Sock, which is letting you do a flat 200 ignoring Hazard DR and any other effects. _"I'm not gonna sugarcoat it."_

Gunner is the polar opposite of the Driller. The Driller doesn't care about armor, and will destroy the bugs regardless. The Gunner has every reason to shred armor, and will do so, along with the bugs entrails and double joints.

Def sharing this on the FB group.

more like breaking down the breaking down of enemy armor

bit more context on driller and armour break. thermal shock doesnt care about armour and doesnt get blocked. And as you mentioned the collette wave cooker secondary passes straight through armour. If you hit a Praetorian frontally in the face it still counts as if you hit it on the back weakpoint i think. I do think its absolutely worth it to use your drills in combat. So use it for the armour break. Its even better in combat when freezing enemies first and then using barbed drills on them. Since frozen enemies take 3X damage from melee. One thing missed is that the shot that breaks the armour (i.e depletes the plate's last hp) deals full damage to its health. I think in the case of light armour that means that the shot that breaks the plate doesnt get reduced by 20% and deals its full damage. Also, no conversation about armour is complete without talking about weakpoints. Not all weak points are created equal. Small bugs have a 2X weak point on their face, so its always worth it to shoot this. Praetorians have a 1X weakpoint on their butt, so its only worth it to shoot that when your weapon has weakpoint damage, otherwise you might as well hit them in the face. For opressors its different again, they have a 3X weakpoint damage bonus

On my Scout i run the Dual SMG as my secondary and gave him the over clock with freeze damage. So im either going to freeze enemies directly or indirectly to help in killing swarms of enemies both big and small. It also doesnt hurt having the cryo grenade in my arsenal. As you mentioned with the Driller him being able to bypass armor is amazing. One of the things i love doing is just freezing Pratorians and let my gunner friends shred them in half a second. However the Drillers pistol being mag dumped into a frozen Pratorian is equally effective.

Remember the only creature armor breaking really matters on is the stingtail as all others have weakpoints exposed and in not too hard to hit places.

Unbreakable isnt just an "armour weight class", it can actually apply to Light and Medium armour. However, only the Crassus uses Unbreakable Medium, and Unbreakable Light isnt a thing on any current enemy.

4:05 i think they mentioned stingtails got this armor on one of the last updates

this may be a silly question to ask, but given the rework to the armor mechanic and the last major update introducing a few new enemies, my question to you would be the following: What new enemy types would you like to see added into the game, given the current roster of enemy bugs available AND the presence of new armor / damage applications being considered in the game? I'd love to see more Pretorian type enemies. bigger bugs that make use of this armor stuff is always satisfying to fight! I'd also love to see new grunt types that might make use of medium* armor.

Using GTA San Andreas sounds at the beginning was not something i expected lmao

The thing is Armor Breaking upgrades on AOE weapons do not suffer from this bug only. Shotgun weapons also have this problem but not the same as projectile bugs and AOE reduction. Normally When you equip Armor Breaking on weapons every time you manage to break armor it also deals full damage on it and a chance to break for light armor is calculated properly. but it's not the case for shotgun weapons. because the chance to break light armor is calculated for each pallet and not the total which ends up the less total chance to break light armor + if each pallet didn't manage to break it also means dealing less damage to them too. Boomstick doesn't suffer this problem much because of an upgrade and overclock that makes it deal lots of damage. But Warhog on the other hand does suffer a lot from this and that's why most people gonna tell you to pick better damage instead of armor breaking and use another method to break it (Breach Cutter or Shard Diffractor) still, I do hope PGL Armor Breaking is a bit better because if they intended to make it like that it also means it's not really worth taking Armor Breaking on PGL but HyperProp Overclock.

good video, sir ;)

0:48 the survival guide INGAME literally says differences between the armors, grunts have light, praetorians have heavy, oppressors and above have unbreakable.

I'm not sure if I just missed it but I didn't hear mention of how armor breaking mods also allow the shot that breaks armor to deal full damage to the enemy This tidbit is mostly good for high damage weapons like the m1000 and (recently fixed) hyper propellant PGL which would have their damage nullified or greatly reduced without that mod Sadly twins armor is a bit jank it seems and doesn't deal full damage on the armor breaking hit as it should (in my experience)

8:24 “I am the fallout…” - my driller I guess.

14:50 Excuse me, can someone explain how the scout created that green pancake? Ive seen them before, but didn't know that you can make them.

You forgot Scout's Gas Rerouting OC on the Zhukovs, whose whole gimmick is that its damage is completely based off of armour break, to the point that shooting weakspots is technically detrimental to its damage output.

there is any guide about resistances?

I really enjoyed the video but I think there are 2 important things I feel like you neglected to mention: Shots which break armour deal full damage as if it hit a health pool, which means that for the M1K for instance it's extra important as it lets you hit breakpoints on non-weakspot shots on acid spitters. Armour breaking on AoE weapons feels rather poor as it is hard limited to only removing up to 5 armour plates. So even if you use a fatboy overclock with armour breaking and hit a praetorian head on, it can at most remove 5 of all of its armour plates.

love it

Imo the breech cutter is PERFECT if you don't want to spend some time to shred armour. With the armor break mod, you can shred the Twins' armor before they dig in so when they resurface, they're already naked throughout. Swarm of pretorions? Aim one right and you'd have a naked pretorion catching your executioner bullets from your smart rifle in no time.

due to fire mod on hyperprop being fixed and actually lowering its damage now armor break mod is now the default I'd say unless you're going into rivals presence/industrial sabotage(questionable) mission since now you can hit a praetorean anywhere even into armor with no damage losses

Stingtail got so nerfed that people forget to include it in a complete guide of enemy armor breaking.

Lmao, the zhukov gas recycling stat buffwas forgotten

OMEN tower also has unbreakable armor. New korlok but worse also does.

I'll still run armour break on dreadnaught missions as it will help deal with glyphid sentinels. Also do sentinels have light or medium armour?

Not only explosive chemical rounds for Loki are better than armor break module, but also explosion has it's own armor breaking effect

Me who doesn't care about meta: you dare challenge me?!

Three things to note: 1. This is probably the most important one. A large part of the armor break fix was making a specific mechanic work properly. The way armor break is supposed to work is that if you break an armor plate & you have an armor break mod* with a shot, that shot should do full damage. For example, a JFH Hurricane with Direct Damage in T1 & Armor break in T2 should do 60 damage per hit (50 direct + 10 area) when it breaks an armor plate, allowing it to 2 hit haz 4/5 grunts anywhere. However, pre-patch it would do 50, as the 50 direct damage was reduced by 20%, even when it destroyed the armor plate, meaning it'd take 3 shots unless you hit the exact same spot twice. This was also the case for the PGL, especially with Hyper Propellant. Now you can shoot the heavy armor of a Praetorian & do the full damage rather than just the area damage like pre-patch. 2. Lazymaybe did a great video on this patch, which I suggest watching. In it, he makes a compelling case that area damage is breaking armor as intended & is not bugged. He also makes the argument it should work the way people think it does. 3. Taking the armor break OC on the LOK-1 is pretty much pointless. The LOK-1 has an usual mechanic where if it breaks armor it deals full damage, even without an armor break mod. So with the T1 damage mod, you can reliably 4 shot grunts at Haz 4/5. I think Seeker rounds are better anyway, since they don't care about armor or even terrain. * Excluding the LOK-1

Doesn't the Subata 2-round burst break armor? I mean, it doesn't feel like it, but it says so lol

if you can drill through the rocks you can definitely dril through bug armor

*GASP* How dare you not know Javarak that the dreadnoughts "armor bars" are actually just more health bars!!! lol j/k yeah my original guess was yellow bar? must be armor right? Love the video man thank you for the in depth explanation on all the confusing stuff with DRG

Man, don't feel bad for recommendatin armor breaking for the bosses, my dumb ass also got an armor breaking loadout for bosses for every class

If you watch carefully, even light armor can be stripped. It visible on the "butt" of the grunts. However, I got just a few oportunities to actually take advantage of this. Only with low DPS weapons.

idk how to feel about armor breaking upgrades, in scenarios where it should come handy you discover that you could have been better off picking up another overclock or upgrade. Then you have those random scenarios where you waste ammo because the game decided to spam pretorians and guard grunts.

we have only two enemies that have armor and it really should be removed its Mactera Brundle and Q'ronar Shellback. Pickaxe copes with them perfectly, so armor breaking is usable in 2 cases: 1 for turrets cus they aim in center of bug and wasting all ammo if they dont have armor breaking, 2 for m1000 for two shots grunts in body

1. This video would have been improved by a section on what weapons are and are not affected by armour in the first place. 2. You make several references to weapons that have high RoF and low per-shot damage being good for armour removal, but I don't get why. If two weapons have the same DPS and armour damage multiplier, why should it matter how fast they shoot?

Stingtails were originally going to have medium armor

Im just gonna keep holding left click on things till they die

Well I just run mini-shells and RJ250 because they cant kill you if your not there and mini-shells with armour breaking mmmm by god it kills feels like scout if he had a grenade launcher and a 12 shell shotgun.

Overall gunner might be the best, but the breach cutter is hands down the best. If engi sneezes on a pretorian it becomes completely armorless.

You forgot the Lithophage with unbreakable armor. Also all the Lithophage hybrids seem to have medium armor. Engi, Turret Armor breaking is ok alone, stun usually better choice.. BUT with turret whip, the anti armor jumps. Menace seems to have some sort of armor that does not sheer off. Also you forgot grenades. Anyone with numbers per chance?

turrets without armor breaking is just a waste of ammo, actually theyre waste of ammo in any case but you cant get rid of them

I don't care if the armor breaking is only on impact I'm using the 40mm

9:35 the what? 😂

Yea Gunner

Really good video but you did get a few things wrong about the actual changed What was broken about armor break on AoE weapons wasnt that they didnt break armor. The armor break upgrades have a unique effect where the shot that breaks armor will deal full damage as if it wasnt there, essentially a “punchthrough” effect. The bug was that for projectile weapons like the PGL they would break the armor but not get this “punchthrough” effect and lose most of its damage, which of course is no longer the case Additionally, the PGL and other AoE weapons are still quite bad at breaking armor because of a weird thing where explosions do less damage to plates of armor as soon as 1 plate has been broken, so they only break 1 plate at a time instead of all at once. Even fatboy with armor break still cant strip a preatorian…. PGL fans stay losing :(

Detonators only have medium armor? Dear god, I thought they had god mode cheat on. They take way to many hits and where are their weakpoints?

0:12 what do you mean? Just shoot plate armour off and shoot the fleshi bits Nothing complicated about that lol

Do the Caretaker's vents count as armor, or is it just "extra health bars"? Is it's eye even a weakpoint? Some clarification would be appreciated.

I thought that the mini versions of that one boss(the one where you kill the mini ones and then the 3 yellow ones and then his back weakspot) had medium armor?

Drillers dont need armor break lmfao, damn near all of his guns just outright bypass armor, flamer, sludge gun, even cryo gun, the plasma gun the microwave gun, ain't no need for armor break lmfao