Jay Slater: "Think murder unless proven otherwise"

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Michelle After Dark

Michelle After Dark

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19 year old Jay Slater from Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, UK has been missing since Monday morning of this week after leaving the NRG Festival on the island of Tenerife with two men. The two men allegedly have spoken to Spanish police before leaving Tenerife to return to the UK. Jay's phone last pinged in the Masca area, up in the mountains, about 30 miles north of where he was staying with his friends in Los Cristianos. Cops and search & rescue teams searched the area for 2 weeks before quitting the area. Now, revelations from TV investigator, Mark Williams-Thomas provide the validation that mainstream media needed to discuss the rumours that have been going around social media, and one of the mystery men from the Airbnb has had to speak out. Theories continue to swirl, so let's discuss some of them.
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@nicholashunter3956
@nicholashunter3956 Ай бұрын
Thank you Michelle for always describing the most plausible sequence of events in this sad case.Everything you say is so sensible
@yvonnew8714
@yvonnew8714 Ай бұрын
If the photo on the doorstep is Jay and he was scared, why be bothered taking the pic, unless trying to provide evidence of location and the blanket 🤷🏼‍♀️
@Lezzyboy87
@Lezzyboy87 Ай бұрын
@@yvonnew8714 he's not that smart
@yvonnew8714
@yvonnew8714 Ай бұрын
@@Lezzyboy87 ok … so obv not scared or not him then
@yvonnew8714
@yvonnew8714 Ай бұрын
Also, if scared when ‘speaking’ to the Spanish lady, why not ask for her assistance instead of the bus time
@Bushwacker-mb6hw
@Bushwacker-mb6hw Ай бұрын
@@feeltheforce10also it’s well known the Tenerife police are well paid by a lot of criminals over there
@teejay1471
@teejay1471 Ай бұрын
​@@feeltheforce10exactly what I thought
@lew6598
@lew6598 Ай бұрын
I hiked around that exact area. It's the most uneven terrain. There are unseen holes to fall into and loads of ground cover disguising things that may be on the ground. They could explore the cactii areas with some kind of all terrain spider drone, but otherwise it's incredibly hard. Seriously, the other week they couldn't find Dr Mosely in a populated open area..this is much different.
@mrdeafa25
@mrdeafa25 Ай бұрын
Why would he be walking on there when there is a perfectly good road?
@seanknapton7449
@seanknapton7449 Ай бұрын
He might have been off his head and got disoriented and wondered off the beaten track ,but who knows
@kitcat4512
@kitcat4512 Ай бұрын
If he was ever even there?
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 Ай бұрын
you cant walk far without gear
@seanknapton7449
@seanknapton7449 Ай бұрын
@@langraman8756 you're right,he probably ran out of marching powder
@Mike75575
@Mike75575 Ай бұрын
Its possible that his body could be in the water at the bottom of the gulley. Several pools exist in that barranco and he could have been submerged for the first week of the search (genuinely) unseen by the police chopper and searchers.
@ExLR8
@ExLR8 Ай бұрын
As a parent i hope and pray for a glimmer of hope for his mum and dad. Always hold hope and use the power of prayer.🕊
@helenab7390
@helenab7390 Ай бұрын
Music festival they're great places to sell...Lucy has been to all of them......has no job but wears Louis Vuitton sunglasses earns approx 25,000 a month....make your own conclusions
@NamiRose715
@NamiRose715 Ай бұрын
Good morning Michelle. Thanks for the update
@earth0128
@earth0128 Ай бұрын
Thanks for your logical approach Michelle
@cosmicbaggy9637
@cosmicbaggy9637 Ай бұрын
Hes paid tbe price for getting involved with drug dealers and his so called friends are all in on it and have been given no otpion but to cover it up.
@ambergibson1930
@ambergibson1930 Ай бұрын
Exactly 😮
@cman5461
@cman5461 Ай бұрын
lol you lot been watching too much narcos. Do these look like the cartel? lol. Even the Somali was just a county line dealer
@CW1971
@CW1971 Ай бұрын
@@cman5461 it doesn't have to be the likes of Pablo Escobar to do someone in, it happens all the time. I don't necessarily think something like that happened in this case but it's not out of the realms of possibility.
@cosmicbaggy9637
@cosmicbaggy9637 Ай бұрын
@@cman5461 someone who has done 9 years bird for moving class a will know some dodgy people. Put in rife, knocking it out for higher ups? This young kid fucks up? V feasible imo
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 Ай бұрын
they are all county line dealers
@orlalolo4585
@orlalolo4585 Ай бұрын
An irish youngfella went missing over there too, he never been found and they probably will never be found
@carolefearnley1990
@carolefearnley1990 Ай бұрын
My theory and it is only that,didn't it say early on that the air b and b guys weren't at the festival? If I'm correct I think Jay and his mates were the mules selling the drugs for the 2 guys,who I believe are still dealers,they picked Jay up for the handover of money collected and any drugs not sold,that's why they went back to the accommodation,silly Jay probably wasn't expecting them to be waiting for him,or it was prearranged,there's no watch,I believe rolex is a colloquial term for drugs,gear,etc he texted his friend saying he had stolen a rolex,I think when he was in the car going back to the air bnb,he would've been in a blind panic because he was about to be found out. What happened after that I cannot fathom,but his other friend who said he heard him sliding could actually have been a scuffle with someone,also just because his phone pinged in a certain location doesn't mean it was in Jay's possession,I'm sorry but I am convinced that Jay was either pushed from a great height into terrain noone can access or he was driven to some isolated spot,sadly I think the poor lad came to a very bad end,and I do believe the 2 guys are right in the thick of it,not necessarily themselves but someone higher up than them
@user-pw6gm1tu6q
@user-pw6gm1tu6q Ай бұрын
absolutely ridiculous,u seriously think someone high up in organised crime would risk it all to murder a young lad over a couple of grand of pills at most,hed get a slap and made to work off the debt if indeed drugs are involved,youve obviously no idea how organised crime and drug cartels actually work and do business
@bluehairedbingobabe
@bluehairedbingobabe Ай бұрын
I'm having a little difficulty with the authorities even mentioning these two characters as having no relevance to the investigation so soon. From what they've dribbled out, these are the last two English speakers to have had eyeballs on Slater. I walk a balance in my own mind whenever someone with a sketchy past, brushes up against these types of cases, in current time.
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
Since when do the police listen to criminals lol your right buddy if they have done jay in why are they going to say yeh we murdered him lol the police in Spain are worse than our British police
@Pointofinterest6614
@Pointofinterest6614 Ай бұрын
As another guy put it you don't go missing in tenerife unless someone wants you to. Those 2 are absolutely involved. Either payed off or naivety from the police
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
@@Pointofinterest6614 100 percent mate! All these idiots saying the police have spoken to them and it wasn't relevant that's because the info what they told the police was more than likely aload of tosh! I've grown up in west yorkshire leeds and its a city with loads of crime this doesn't happen unless he's done something to the wrong person! Just because 2 witnesses said he walked up the road doesn't mean anything! They could of been paid a bit of change to keep quite and by change mean a couple of grand! Those 2 fellas are in the drugs game murders and other series ocg crimes a body is nothing to them! This is what people arnt understanding when your part of an ocg and people mess with your doe and your lines and customers who bring in lots of money to the ocg they get took out thats the facts! I come from the English streets and this stinks of a cover-up he could of been already found well the body but the police lie and cover shit up! I personally don't think he's been found but one thing for sure is I'm a 37 yesr old man I believe my own mind wich anything is possible in the costa del crime
@rastaman5354
@rastaman5354 Ай бұрын
@@tazmannn completely bang on mate.. from some of the videos I’ve seen of the search a lot of the cops look sketchy as hell I personally wouldn’t like to meet some them down a dark alley.. I honestly feel bad for jay I messed up a lot when I was his age I really didnt become a proper man until I was 25 I was too caught up in that lifestyle. But come on lads do yez really think in a foreign country he gonna rob these dodgy lads. He was wasted in that club and I think he lost the bag that’s how he ended up in the whole situation.. them lads are dodgy out the way they checked in. The rental car, the location.. the coppers made sure all them were well cleaned up for the next customers anyways 2 weeks later..joke
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
@@rastaman5354 👊
@gailkelly6154
@gailkelly6154 Ай бұрын
Michelle ❤ Tilly Noodles Cassie ♥️🐕🐕🐕 thank you for ALWAYS giving us only important and factual news. Thank you.
@Tisme25
@Tisme25 Ай бұрын
If the English guy worked in Tenerife, surely he would have accomodation, so why did he rent the air B&B just a short time before Jay went missing. If as he said Jays friends had left him on his own, why not drive him the 20 minutes back to his own accomodation, so much still not adding up
@CW1971
@CW1971 Ай бұрын
Maybe the place in Masca was their stash house for while the festival is on? 🤷‍♀️ Someone made a comment yesterday that they may not want to keep large stashes of drugs and money in the touristy highly populated areas as it's more risky with regards to people finding out where it is and robbing them
@MizzTH-G
@MizzTH-G Ай бұрын
@@CW1971yep I’d go with that. Maybe the guy is being watched by Spanish authorities hence the booking in a different name.
@user-zc8kb7cf7b
@user-zc8kb7cf7b Ай бұрын
Why did Jay say he had nowhere to stay.
@ambergibson1930
@ambergibson1930 Ай бұрын
He didn't work there he came in from the UK!! Wrong information
@CW1971
@CW1971 Ай бұрын
@@ambergibson1930 according to some people he 'works' over there then comes back to the UK for a while then goes back over. Which sounds totally not dodgy.
@user-pw6gm1tu6q
@user-pw6gm1tu6q Ай бұрын
people really need to stop being so thick and dramatic,even if all the drug stuff is true any major organised crime group does not murder or kidnap a young lad over a couple of grand worth of pills at the very most, they just wudnt want the heat and attention it would bring to them from police and media,jay would have got a slap and made to work off the debt as money is all they care about not killing off street level dealers over small mistakes,its not a movie or soap
@DIRTSEARCHER86
@DIRTSEARCHER86 Ай бұрын
Well said
@Phoenix8Rising
@Phoenix8Rising Ай бұрын
Interesting comment 🤔
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 Ай бұрын
could be related to his father , his father is a baron
@coldpotatoes2556
@coldpotatoes2556 Ай бұрын
He could have been banging the dealers ride, people kill over women all da time.
@tinaunderwood7766
@tinaunderwood7766 Ай бұрын
YES! I watched this man’s program yesterday. It was called “TalkTV”. I love to hear him talk. I am glued to this story. Have been since the first day. Thank you for your coverage. I am in the states, there’s no coverage on him here. None I have heard. I feel so sad for him. Pray For Jay!
@DANZ_Aquariums
@DANZ_Aquariums Ай бұрын
I think that fella in the daily mail was the drug dealer they worked for he did something they didn’t like and they killed him and dumped him in the sea
@Craig-wp3pz
@Craig-wp3pz Ай бұрын
@@DANZ_Aquariums he took a sightseeing trip with OceanGate explorations,
@andreroswell1561
@andreroswell1561 Ай бұрын
There's a lot of people with vivid imaginations around.
@jujubeane8334
@jujubeane8334 Ай бұрын
Always great to hear your perspective.
@tonilharmon
@tonilharmon Ай бұрын
I agree with your theory, Michele. I think he simply got lost, like he said, and succumbed to the elements/dehydration. Too many people seem to think this is an Agatha Christy novel.
@Mike75575
@Mike75575 Ай бұрын
"Lost in the Lava" working title.😊
@tonilharmon
@tonilharmon Ай бұрын
@@Mike75575 😄
@coldpotatoes2556
@coldpotatoes2556 Ай бұрын
​​@@Mike75575loose ends and shady friends.
@lorismith7790
@lorismith7790 Ай бұрын
Love to see your channel growing, Michelle ❤ You work hard to give us fact based content
@flickingbollocks5542
@flickingbollocks5542 Ай бұрын
I doubt he knows which plants are edible.
@almklit
@almklit Ай бұрын
Sadly fell down a ravine
@boganshazz821
@boganshazz821 Ай бұрын
Cant recall source but purported the watch was an AP
@rosita3528
@rosita3528 Ай бұрын
It was an AP, and it was from Jay's Snapchat
@zxresa
@zxresa Ай бұрын
Why the hell haven't the parents put up reward??? They have 50 grand, that reward will bring people out of the woodwork 🤔
@howareyou857
@howareyou857 Ай бұрын
More false narratives you mean
@eadlondon-nm2uy
@eadlondon-nm2uy Ай бұрын
They'll need experts, lie detector machines and truth drugs to sift through the queue that will suddenly appear with new info !!!
@zxresa
@zxresa Ай бұрын
@@eadlondon-nm2uy 🤣🤣
@hedgehogwildlifejunction9119
@hedgehogwildlifejunction9119 Ай бұрын
i dont think there is a mystery. He went off with his two friends, he had met. the guy said he had no where to go. Perhaps was he sharing a room with someone and they had decided to take a female in and asked him to give them some time alone, so he went off with the 2 guys maybe thinking he could carry on a bit having a fun. Turned out they were knackered, they give him a blanket so he could sleep. he shows himself outside in a blanket. the testimony from this guy is just as feasible as anything else. it fits with the photograph doesn't it? Everyone is turning this into a murder mystery. when he spoke to the landlady she never once said he was stressed or acting strangely did she? He couldnt sleep was to wound up and decided to try and get back himself to his accommodation. he made a huge error of judgement had no idea how bad the terrain was. that gorge where the phone pinged is vile he could have easily saw the sea, and just thought he could get down it easily. FELL and in down there or even in the sea. end of. no mystery, just misjudgement, no stolen rolex, no proof he had it anyway. Hopefully one day they will find his body. But for now nothing is happening, just a young man an error of judgement. Sadly passed away by now. bless him. IF he was scared why would he openly go and talk to the landlady? if he was scared he would have slunk off into the bushes without being seen. IMHO. she also saw him later on his own. Lets not judge this young man, no one knows what happened only Jay. sadly.
@howareyou857
@howareyou857 Ай бұрын
Agree
@tonilharmon
@tonilharmon Ай бұрын
I agree.
@amo2464
@amo2464 Ай бұрын
Jay himself was the one who mentioned he'd stolen a watch so it's odd that you dismiss that
@howareyou857
@howareyou857 Ай бұрын
@@amo2464 according to friends
@amo2464
@amo2464 Ай бұрын
@@howareyou857 according to a Snapchat that we've seen. He said he'd stolen an AP
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 Ай бұрын
Told everyone the Somali is no stranger btw the the airbnb is right next to the bus stop . he could have sat at the airbnb steps and waited for a bus
@CW1971
@CW1971 Ай бұрын
I like Peter Bleksley, he's a proper geezer.
@rztv6931
@rztv6931 Ай бұрын
🤭
@Charlie3vans
@Charlie3vans Ай бұрын
Yeah indeed. He loves calling out his old employer the Met police.
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 Ай бұрын
yeh he came on tv wants cocaine legalised lol
@CW1971
@CW1971 Ай бұрын
@@langraman8756 that would be great! Apparently all us pensioners in our 50s are hoovering up industrial amounts of the stuff, be a bonus if it's legal 😉
@Mike75575
@Mike75575 Ай бұрын
Yes ,the epitome of a geezer.
@cherylmitchell7934
@cherylmitchell7934 Ай бұрын
Hi Michelle I agree with you. That makes the most sense. It’s sad and it’s tragic but I believe it’s just that simple. Poor family😢
@user-zc8kb7cf7b
@user-zc8kb7cf7b Ай бұрын
Poor family, my eye...
@juliemyers9532
@juliemyers9532 Ай бұрын
Michelle always sits on the fence and plays safe, she's not intelligent enough.
@ThebeardofCrunt
@ThebeardofCrunt Ай бұрын
​@@juliemyers9532 if she also actually researched it, she would see the kind of people operating out of Tenerife. It's not rocket science a quick Google search will tell you that. It does seem she has tunnel vision which she gets fixated on, to the point no other theory will be accepted or even possible.
@howareyou857
@howareyou857 Ай бұрын
​@@juliemyers9532she's a Clinical Psychologist with a Doctorate, she is intelligent
@almklit
@almklit Ай бұрын
I think Mark Williams has been been more competent candid and professional in this case, than he did on some others.
@lostman47
@lostman47 Ай бұрын
its plain to see , those two men are the suppliers,
@joysboy6588
@joysboy6588 Ай бұрын
Realistically, you're spot on. I'm not being "wise after the event", but I thought this from the word "GO".
@twistedbuddhaha
@twistedbuddhaha Ай бұрын
Wow its only taken the ex cooper nearly 3 weeks to come up with that one...😂😂😂
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
Just because the 2 fellas say jay left alive doesn't mean nothing! Criminals and murderers always say they didn't do it when they get questioned! Since when do you listen to a criminal about a crime haha the police said they are irelavent to the case says who the bloody criminals
@journeytakesatrip
@journeytakesatrip Ай бұрын
They aren’t taking the two men’s word for it. Jay was seen by multiple people after leaving the two men’s place, both people he knows via video call and an independent witness, all of whom saw him walking alone on the hills. He told his friends via video call that he was lost, without water, and had 1% battery, he even sent them his location via Snapchat.
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
@@journeytakesatrip you beleive what you want fella and I'll listen to what I beleive! I've seen false opinions and lies many of times given out and it wasn't the truth! How many times do you see crimes and information given out of a crime and it be lies? 100s of times thsts how many times buddy! There's a saying the truth always comes out in the end! That saying is what it is because of lies what people spread especially fake information what gets given out and it always changes
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
@@journeytakesatrip just like you said apparently rolexs are another name for drugs there's nothing apparently about it you get ecstacy pills called rolex that's a fact
@journeytakesatrip
@journeytakesatrip Ай бұрын
@@tazmannn if you aren’t going to use the established details of the case, such as quantifiable evidence like snap chat location pins and call logs, photographic evidence, and witness statements, then you may as well make up the whole case to suit your own narrative, which is what a lot of people appear to be doing. Also I’m not a “fella”. 😆
@tazmannn
@tazmannn Ай бұрын
@@journeytakesatrip I've been round crime all my life I do not listen to the police they lie I do not listen to the media they lie! So it looks like your doing the same! Whay don't you understand about people lie to protect thereselvs and family! It's pretty simple everyone knows about people covering stuff up apart from you
@marijorieholoway6783
@marijorieholoway6783 Ай бұрын
No water no food
@flickingbollocks5542
@flickingbollocks5542 Ай бұрын
Where did the story of the stolen watch come from?
@MizzTH-G
@MizzTH-G Ай бұрын
His chums
@MizzTH-G
@MizzTH-G Ай бұрын
They said he wouldn’t have lied about stealing it.
@amo2464
@amo2464 Ай бұрын
And also jay himself who boasted of stealing an AP watch to his friends on Snapchat
@flickingbollocks5542
@flickingbollocks5542 Ай бұрын
THANKS both of you. Did he steal it off the two guys? If so that would explain him being scared and wanting to get away and not wait for the bus
@flickingbollocks5542
@flickingbollocks5542 Ай бұрын
Thanks​@@MizzTH-G
@TBJ_Podcast
@TBJ_Podcast Ай бұрын
Good work
@wwindwwalker3536
@wwindwwalker3536 Ай бұрын
I wonder if Jay didn’t want to wait at the bus stop because he was afraid those two guy from the Airbnb would find him there. So, he started walking on a road/trail they wouldn’t be able to find him on. Maybe they did catch up to him?
@mazz3736
@mazz3736 Ай бұрын
Maybe the whole watch thing is a red herring! Maybe the simple answer is that he was picked up by a random motorist. He could have been dropped off near to his hotel but then something happened. Have the Spanish Police checked around the hotel??
@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591
@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591 Ай бұрын
You don't think murder unless it can be proven otherwise, you just take all of the information that you get, and see what fits best.
@JR-dl9zt
@JR-dl9zt Ай бұрын
Hi michelle love listening to your videos your so spot on with what you say 😊
@s44bz32
@s44bz32 Ай бұрын
like i said yesterday,its weird when you make a statement like he came alive and left alive.very weird.also i said the the air b&b owner is in on it.because he also made a weird statement saying he latewr seen jay miles away down the road.if so he would of given him a lift back knowing the busses times etcc.jay is not on land,hes in the water.due to the strange movements of a boat at the time him going missing
@Dalec-bq1ns
@Dalec-bq1ns Ай бұрын
Taxed the wrong person !
@joysboy6588
@joysboy6588 Ай бұрын
I do believe that's what Jay Slater seized the opportunity of doing at the Air b n b. However & from there, the same people he robbed didn't (quite literally) hunt for him & in the wilderness. While in the wilderness, I reckon Jay hid himself from the scorching sun, but from their, didn't have the energy to go any further, eventually succumbing to the environment, hence why & as of yet, no body's been found...
@billynomates920
@billynomates920 Ай бұрын
good. because i don't want to hear about the election.
@suzannechance5876
@suzannechance5876 Ай бұрын
I'm with you!
@dawnroggs1943
@dawnroggs1943 Ай бұрын
Why did his mother say she was ‘no Karen Matthew’s’.? Seems strange that was years ago
@MichelleAfterDark
@MichelleAfterDark Ай бұрын
Because loads of people were saying she was behaving like Karen Matthews. Some even thought she was Karen Matthews’ sister
@_Brendan__
@_Brendan__ Ай бұрын
Or he stole the watch and went up the hill because he knew if they came after him they would go down the hill looking for him. Too risky to be waiting for a bus aswell
@Phoenix8Rising
@Phoenix8Rising Ай бұрын
That sounds likely IF he did steal a watch..🤔🕵️‍♀️
@ZenobiaDecrespin
@ZenobiaDecrespin Ай бұрын
Right he had a long rap sheet yet they clear him right away thats bull 💩 complete bollocks
@Smide185
@Smide185 Ай бұрын
Have you considered that if Jay has robbed these guys or left scared then he deliberately went in the wrong direction? IftThe guys in the air B&B was going to chase Jay they would head in the direction towards his accommodation & if they was in a car & him on foot catch him easy... so maybe he tried to use his head and head the opposite way and then cut across....Maybe with the air b & b being so high up they spotted him trying to cut across once they had given chase and failed to catch him
@kee1234.
@kee1234. Ай бұрын
2 questions that are wierd to me, his phone apsrantly pinged in a area they say wiuld of most likely been thrown there as too hard to walk through, why are thwy not looking for the phone cutting trees down on the way to retrieve it because it would still be there if thrown and all info would be on it.....2nd why hasnt thd white car driving side of road picking up some guy along side road been hunted? Cps that would conclude jay is the one in the car hense not found... those two things are sticking out.
@papanoel3999
@papanoel3999 Ай бұрын
Lucy Goosey deffo needs another visit from the police. And not this Mark Fakecop-Thomas,who only ever gives us lil bits, as he's not prepared to say the rest for now.. He's done that a cuppa times.
@wwindwwalker3536
@wwindwwalker3536 Ай бұрын
Why didn’t Ophelia give him water?
@kerriwightman3141
@kerriwightman3141 Ай бұрын
Yes
@janiceleighton7348
@janiceleighton7348 Ай бұрын
Who phoned him a 3rd person
@maryjones8951
@maryjones8951 Ай бұрын
Have they used. Loud speakers to shout out for him
@carolmurray5048
@carolmurray5048 Ай бұрын
Good morning Michelle
@arngrimandersen5690
@arngrimandersen5690 Ай бұрын
I think he hide or dead ! , I hope he is okay , but too many days , that look bad , but we hope he is okay.
@stephentaylor5500
@stephentaylor5500 Ай бұрын
I can't get my head round why a clubber fresh from a festival with no sleep would ever venture off road down a trail to ravines in a totally alien country and environment. Especially when your only navigation tool your phone dies of battery. It just seems odd. Definitely feel he was on the run from someone but surely you'd hide in the undergrowth a short stretch off the road than continue venture down the ravine into the unknown with no navigation. The trail looks almost non existent a bit down that would be difficult to continue down with no navigation. You would just stay on road in am alien environment such as this if you were seeking to head back to your accommodation not go off road.
@MichelleAfterDark
@MichelleAfterDark Ай бұрын
Because people under the influence do stupid stuff
@americanwoman5754
@americanwoman5754 Ай бұрын
Ty Michelle
@LittleBearPaws
@LittleBearPaws Ай бұрын
Thanks Michelle x
@lunalady1821
@lunalady1821 Ай бұрын
If it is a stolen wzrch, who reported the lost. If some had a Rolex, would they make a police report for insurance money.
@dmgsoultogetherness6667
@dmgsoultogetherness6667 Ай бұрын
where did the " he was scared" come from?
@Mike75575
@Mike75575 Ай бұрын
Marks investigation
@firinn2373
@firinn2373 Ай бұрын
You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
@Charlie3vans
@Charlie3vans Ай бұрын
Ive got this whole story solved. Right upto the point he leaves ab&b
@ShakerMaker1980
@ShakerMaker1980 Ай бұрын
I’m interested! Please share!
@Phoenix8Rising
@Phoenix8Rising Ай бұрын
Share your theory.
@Witchezcat
@Witchezcat Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@KIKISEYES
@KIKISEYES Ай бұрын
Happy 4th morning Michelle
@journeytakesatrip
@journeytakesatrip Ай бұрын
It’s the 5th here in the UK, plus we don’t celebrate the 4th. 😉
@jordangann7438
@jordangann7438 Ай бұрын
I've now subscribed as you're one of the only creators NOT being hypocritical and who realises that these theories are speculation from people who have the best intentions, some don't but the majority do. Edit: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/osCAkqWY3dzNXas.htmlsi=QhBCqIOusoqF1dL5
@BugLoveOG
@BugLoveOG Ай бұрын
Welcome to the group! Hope to see you in the lives also.
@orbytl2799
@orbytl2799 Ай бұрын
maybe the guy Ophelia had contact with wasnt Jay but looked like him, thats why he seemed scared and nervous, thinking he got caught out in some way, but luckily for him she just remembered a teenage Brit lad with a daft hairdo that made a hasty retreat im not convinced he was ever up there tbh, his phone certainly was taken up there
@jordangann7438
@jordangann7438 Ай бұрын
Brad has a very similar style and build to jay, i find him, lucy and those 2 older men very suspicious. We all just want answers but none of us more so than Jay's family.
@orbytl2799
@orbytl2799 Ай бұрын
@@jordangann7438 same hair cut
@jordangann7438
@jordangann7438 Ай бұрын
@@orbytl2799 same haircut, same build same northface clothing.
@MizzTH-G
@MizzTH-G Ай бұрын
Agree. Those callow youths all look the same to me and I’m 🇬🇧 To the Spanish they’ll look even more the same
@MizzTH-G
@MizzTH-G Ай бұрын
@@jordangann7438Brad is odd. No eye contact when interviewed and need subtitles
@marijorieholoway6783
@marijorieholoway6783 Ай бұрын
Good morning!
@freebirdtracey62
@freebirdtracey62 Ай бұрын
I think if he had taken the watch back and was scurrying away scared, he'd have told his friends. He didn't keep it secret that he'd stolen it after all! He probably found out exactly what the guy in the B&B had done in his past and got scared. It's one thing being a foolish, young man and making daft lifestyle choices, or taking recreational drugs, but being amongst real players might have freaked him. When you're coming down from certain drugs, apparently it can cause paranoia also. He probably just wanted to get back to the familiarity of his friends and belongings. The watch thing sounds more like a brag, kids say daft things for attention sometimes. He may have heard something about an incident concerning a stolen watch and just made it up for shock value! Too much judgement has been made because the press released his past. Lads just got out of his depth, dehydration and fear of no phone must have been quite scary. You can easily lose focus if you're really frightened and wonder off anywhere. Youngsters that age are easily influenced by music and gang culture but probably feel quite different when they're actually exposed to the real thing. I feel sorry for him
@janiceleighton7348
@janiceleighton7348 Ай бұрын
Why didn't the cafe owner stop car and say or point right way like any normal person would ?
@user-ld4xq9nh3s
@user-ld4xq9nh3s Ай бұрын
People can have burn phones. just because they haven't found Jays phone when it died doesn't mean its lying around when the phone died its probably at sea .thrown away .
@journeytakesatrip
@journeytakesatrip Ай бұрын
Jay was last seen on video call on his phone by his friends and told them that he was alone, walking in the hills, without water, and his phone was on 1% battery. His phone died shortly afterwards. The phone hasn’t been found and neither has Jay. Probability suggests that his phone is likely still with him or at least close by. If it’s in the sea it’s more likely that it fell in there along with Jay rather than being thrown away.
@DB-a-Boeing-Dr
@DB-a-Boeing-Dr Ай бұрын
Very doubtful a Rolex was stolen. There is no stolen market for high end luxury watches like Rolex's because when you purchase a new Rolex the place you purchased the watch from would be a certified Rolex dealer. When a Rolex is sold the purchase is registered by the jeweller to Rolex. Every time that watch get serviced which again will only be serviced by a registered Rolex jeweller that gets registered with Rolex. If you take a Rolex to a non Rolex registered jeweller they will not touch it as if they damage it they would be liable for the damage, also they would struggle to get parts. If a Rolex is stolen a Rolex owner will know they also have to report it stolen to Rolex, this is also required by insurance companies when you make a claim. This means the stolen Rolex could never be sold in a legit way and more troublesome for the owner of the stolen Rolex it can never be serviced as when the jeweller enters the details of the watch to register the repair with Rolex it will come back as stolen. If you own a Rolex you know this and if you are willing to pay 10k for a Rolex you also would know this.
@kathleenj01
@kathleenj01 Ай бұрын
It was an AP not a Rolex, and I've a feeling it wouldn't have been sold legitimately anyway regardless of the maker.
@jimmy4545
@jimmy4545 Ай бұрын
Why did he not get ask his friend when he phoned him to get a taxi for him or ask the lady he talked to for to get him a taxi???
@nicolarees7051
@nicolarees7051 Ай бұрын
She told him to wait where he was and she would go and get him.
@WantYaLovin
@WantYaLovin Ай бұрын
Why did he go back with these two guys? That would answer a lot.
@user-gz1yr7st8v
@user-gz1yr7st8v Ай бұрын
Down the rapids is back in tenerife, but he said he had seen and spoke to Pedro, wasn't Pedro meant to be on a 2 week holiday. There's something about this down the rapids guy, I can't put my finger on it. Like him loosing his phone when you released the video of the screenshot, also he said he lost his sun glasses not l9ng before that guy found them. I'm sure he's a plant or decoy
@janiceleighton7348
@janiceleighton7348 Ай бұрын
They know everything the family that's why want privacy now and Lucy knows them for sure
@xsammyx2803
@xsammyx2803 Ай бұрын
why have the dogs found absolutely nothing on that mountain??
@kimballentyne3482
@kimballentyne3482 Ай бұрын
May have accidently mixed with the wrong crowd and things went horribly wrong. Have sea searches been made around that area?
@squeesmyth9025
@squeesmyth9025 Ай бұрын
why not use metal detector for phone
@brynstarkiller7419
@brynstarkiller7419 Ай бұрын
Is Jay laying in the undergrowth?. He could be with his phone.
@Chris-yq8fc
@Chris-yq8fc Ай бұрын
Drug dealers dont tend to kill people who owe cash cus they wont get their cash rolex is extacy wich is rife over there
@jordangann7438
@jordangann7438 Ай бұрын
Perhaps trafficked???
@Chris-yq8fc
@Chris-yq8fc Ай бұрын
​@jordangann7438 doesn't that happen to women?
@jordangann7438
@jordangann7438 Ай бұрын
@@Chris-yq8fc it can happen to literally anyone. You really think there's no gay predators or even female predators out there? Because there is just look at jizpain maxwell.
@kitcat4512
@kitcat4512 Ай бұрын
They take bits off you?
@ThebeardofCrunt
@ThebeardofCrunt Ай бұрын
​@@Chris-yq8fc it depends on what they are trafficking. If it's organs then not always. The best example I can think of regarding this is the Soka Forest Horror
@chrisgrimes325
@chrisgrimes325 Ай бұрын
You’re still covering this rubbish because it brings you views, politics on national tv doesn’t even compare. Do you think ppl over there are stupid ? Off course they’ve searched where his phone last pinged, this is almost the same area as sunglasses were found, don’t be silly thinking everyone is silly
@Prettysunshine982
@Prettysunshine982 Ай бұрын
Was there any cactus from air bnb to phone ping? Could calculate if he was walking back or not if there was cactus further up the path doesn't add up?
@carolynesimpson6070
@carolynesimpson6070 Ай бұрын
Maybe the owner of Airbnb car boot should be forensic check. She was the last person probably to see him !!!
@nicolarees7051
@nicolarees7051 Ай бұрын
They should check the rental car because I read somewhere that the A.P was in the car, the rental car was parked next to the bus stop so if he did take anything, allegedly, then maybe it would have been easier to do that than take anything from inside the villa.
@leisastokes5358
@leisastokes5358 Ай бұрын
Isn't there relevance because they are part of the story?
@pilijones4801
@pilijones4801 Ай бұрын
Um… who’s the owner of the watch anyway.
@ZenobiaDecrespin
@ZenobiaDecrespin Ай бұрын
Its the "12k rolex" angle that pretty much sums it up for me. Stupid move might have cost him his life. Hard core dealers worldwide dont mess around and are not ones to let theft go.....imho
@rosita3528
@rosita3528 Ай бұрын
The watch mentioned in Jay's Snapchat was an AP, not a rolex
@Mark-zp3jc
@Mark-zp3jc Ай бұрын
I love this saying
@momoshark2257
@momoshark2257 Ай бұрын
Gm Michelle
@nicolabradshaw280
@nicolabradshaw280 Ай бұрын
Good afternoon beautiful ❤
@kerriwightman3141
@kerriwightman3141 Ай бұрын
Anyone remember Ricky D'Cotta??
@melaniekay4266
@melaniekay4266 Ай бұрын
Who took the bag of drugs that was lost or stolen Jay had why he called Lucy
@seanknapton7449
@seanknapton7449 Ай бұрын
Just like everything else surrounding this case,the drug bag theory is all speculation,but that's why the whole saga is driving such attention
@Sab69san
@Sab69san Ай бұрын
I can tell u ..if is a watch rollex for sûre they probally say to him we gonne have the money in that housse ,but instead they take from him and same if it was druggs .
@shannonporter5781
@shannonporter5781 Ай бұрын
Have they checked the car? They hired for blood?
@ZenobiaDecrespin
@ZenobiaDecrespin Ай бұрын
🎯 💯 🎯
@janiceleighton7348
@janiceleighton7348 Ай бұрын
But why would Lucy say go back if she knew them as bad
@atlanticblue2665
@atlanticblue2665 Ай бұрын
Ophelia the air bnb owner's brother is a drug dealer and part of the same drugs gang as Qassim and Ayub, the two drug bosses that likely stabbed Jay.. and say they took him to the air bnb
@Phoenix8Rising
@Phoenix8Rising Ай бұрын
Interesting info..if true(?)
@rosita3528
@rosita3528 Ай бұрын
Qassim and Ayub are the same person. Ayub Qassim
@Witchezcat
@Witchezcat Ай бұрын
How do you know ?
@wwindwwalker3536
@wwindwwalker3536 Ай бұрын
I think something bad happened to him. Praying for his family 🙏🙏🙏 I think the police ruled those two guys out way too soon.
@wanya1980
@wanya1980 Ай бұрын
The STORY IS that Jay went to the air bnb.
@anitahornsby3863
@anitahornsby3863 Ай бұрын
Don’t think it was him in picture it’s a red herring
@StellaKnights
@StellaKnights Ай бұрын
lucy called jay not the other way around
@Sarah-ft8jr
@Sarah-ft8jr Ай бұрын
I think it’s highly likely he’s been punished and gotten rid of given all the bits of information we now have. However if they do find his body and it turns out he did just get in to trouble walking, I think his body will be found relatively close by. According to people that have hiked around that way, it’s not easy to get onto these hiking paths. I won’t be surprised if the outcome is either put it that way.
@user-gz1yr7st8v
@user-gz1yr7st8v Ай бұрын
Also for all the searching he's meant to have done he never looks sweaty or tied or even the slightest bit dirty or even dusty. I'm telling you there's something wrong or just not right with this down the rapids guy. What info does he really give out in his videos that we don't already know. He's a plant or decoy for something or someone 200%
@angiesellitto2157
@angiesellitto2157 Ай бұрын
I don't get this you got a 1% battery I know if you got a 3 % on your battery it goes of so I don't get this 1% you can't even make a call
@MichelleAfterDark
@MichelleAfterDark Ай бұрын
Yes you can. You may have started your call on, say 10%, and you talk until you get cut off
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