JAY-Z Planning Comeback? | Kendrick Prepares To 'Pop Out' | Fat Joe Says Chris Brown The New MJ

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According 2 Hip Hop

According 2 Hip Hop

Күн бұрын

Join Mike D and The Crew As They Discuss If JAY-Z Is Preparing A Comeback. Fat Joe Says Chris Brown Is The New Michael Jackson. Kendrick Lamar Prepares To 'Pop Out'. Will New Music Be On The Way? Also LL Cool J Is Ready To Return and Claim His Status!
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Celebrating Kendrick Lamar's Birthday
00:19:12 - LL Cool J and Q-Tip Collaboration
00:38:35 - The Debate on Jay-Z's Performances
00:56:42 - The Disconnect with Jay-Z's Music
01:14:27 - Jay-Z's Music Connects with the Audience
01:33:02 - Debating Jay-Z's Relevance and Musical Performance Preferences
02:08:45 - Who's Musically Better?
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@isaacsello6097
@isaacsello6097 Ай бұрын
Salute to Ron for admitting when he is wrong, that is a very rare attribute these days
@tajbrown8013
@tajbrown8013 Ай бұрын
I like this side of mike LMAO 😭
@diegointriago6852
@diegointriago6852 Ай бұрын
Good show jayz can do no wrong in Leroy’s eye
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
Not performing at an event is only wrong to Nas heads cause they wanted something to complain about that's all.
@humblebragger500
@humblebragger500 Ай бұрын
​@@leroygreen6310 that tight ass LV jacket was not hiphop lol
@Shysta30
@Shysta30 Ай бұрын
​@@leroygreen6310Like always capping for Jay-Z, guess it was Nas put on events for hip hop 50, no he wasn't the only one, Plus Jay-Z put on his own Library exhibit for hip hop 50, but wouldn't show up or put on an event for the culture, that man is all about himself, now people really seeing him for the egotistical f-boy he is, even some of his own fans sees that he's only motivated by ego and who willing to pay the highest.
@rufuscross3884
@rufuscross3884 Ай бұрын
salute to mike and ron. They were having a great conversation and of course leroy derailed the whole conversation. Leroy always tries to change the argument. If mike was say to i hate pizza hut, leroy would say everybody eats pizza. who doesn’t love pizza? That’s not the argument…..
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
Can you give an example? Or timestamp?
@MrsSmith-cs7li
@MrsSmith-cs7li Ай бұрын
Mike was speaking truth about Jay Z thinking he is bigger than hip hop
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
If you become a rap icon you actually are supposed to treat your brand like it's special and pick and choose your shows because that's part of graduating from rapper to icon
@MrsSmith-cs7li
@MrsSmith-cs7li Ай бұрын
@@leroygreen6310 Nas is just as iconic and was very present throughout the Hip Hop 50 events. In fact, he spearheaded many events.
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@MrsSmith-cs7li Now when you say that and I say I see a gap in the numbers sells wise you gonna tell me Jays sells don't matter but if the numbers were reversed for Nas you'd point that out. Nas fans would've been mad as hell if Jay showed up cause for years they argue Jay tries to take Nas shine.
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@MrsSmith-cs7li I pointed out how Jay been doing arenas since 98 so to white America he is the equivalent to the U2's and other legendary bands (with respect to rapping) and folks can't see that. They look at Jay as just another rapper that black people like. They don't see the separation.
@idolgray
@idolgray Ай бұрын
Because he is.
@thefearofg0ds758
@thefearofg0ds758 Ай бұрын
You can tell Ron was getting on Mike's nerves a bit on this one. Called this man by his full name lol
@RC777-co1fb
@RC777-co1fb Ай бұрын
Why Couldn't Jay Preform At The Roots Picnic All the other Elites were there No Excuses!!!!!
@atonscott
@atonscott Ай бұрын
Got get permission from government and desiree Perez cause they own part of that ric nation management why everyone sign ass go jail 😂😂
@davidt4337
@davidt4337 Ай бұрын
When you put that wager out there I’ve never seen Leroy backpedal so fast 😂🤣
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
Next time I'll pull up a article where everyone can see in black and white how many songs Jay as dropped and if you have no number at all then save your breath trying to challenge me with nothing as an amount.
@davidt4337
@davidt4337 Ай бұрын
@@leroygreen6310 you backpedaled sir simple as that 😂 send that article
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@davidt4337 Call it want you want but the point is Jay makes you people so mad you'll reach for anything. Next show you can come on and tell me how many songs Jay has and I'll hold up the article and let you read it yourself and it'll be way passed the number of songs you ever thought Jay recorded and at that point it still won't be enough cause its hate bruh its just wack you people don't just admit that Jays success makes you personally upset. How you telling a man that put in 30 years in the rap shit he gotta do more? Crazy. Its the same for Kdot now too folks just mad for shit that don't mean nothing smh.
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@davidt4337 To be this upset because a man minds his own business is crazy. How the hell you mad because Jay wasn't there? Like what smh. How many songs Jay got? Exactly you don't know.
@davidt4337
@davidt4337 Ай бұрын
@@leroygreen6310I know it’s not a 1000 songs is the point….no one is upset here but you I’m laughing at this 😂
@MrsSmith-cs7li
@MrsSmith-cs7li Ай бұрын
Hammer did attend Pac's street naming in Oakland. He said that was the only hip hop 50 event he was going to attend.
@MrsSmith-cs7li
@MrsSmith-cs7li Ай бұрын
MJ also performed at the BET awards to honor his idol, James Brown.
@JamesSmith-ov5um
@JamesSmith-ov5um Ай бұрын
When Supa Dupa said Jay was on a song where they were talkin about God and he chose to talk about himself was a wild fact!
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
The notion that Jay is only referring to himself in that verse with no rhymes about God is exactly why I think Jays rhymes are over people's heads. I think with in the first 2 lines he asks for forgiveness from God. He's not asking himself smh.
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
The overall point of thee entire verse is Jay himself can't believe he escaped prison and death and that it must've been God behind the scenes.
@superbduper992
@superbduper992 Ай бұрын
​@leroygreen6310 he literally changed the coarse of the song to "Hov Did"......C'mon man. Stop trying to defend J's every move and criticism
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@superbduper992 Context matters bro and know Jay was not asking himself for forgiveness nor suggesting that his success was in spite of God.
@JamesSmith-ov5um
@JamesSmith-ov5um Ай бұрын
@@leroygreen6310 I was referring to Never Let Me Down but thank you for issuing another example
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
@according2hiphop- Mike, I respect the integrity you always maintain. Don’t allow anyone to bring your show’s integrity down. It’s not worth it
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
Yeah like trolling the chat with a hundred angry comments that none of us even acknowledge every episode.
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
The hit demon is still hollering lol!
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@stillhere6558 You been hollering for like a year everyday Lol
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
And everyone has heard me loud and clear. Including you. The difference is, you’re being laughed at and checked by everyone, and I’m not! LOL!!! Jokes on you!
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@stillhere6558 Yeah you watching me and think you the one laughing harder smh.
@darwinashby7368
@darwinashby7368 Ай бұрын
Mike was cooking
@themadhatter7690
@themadhatter7690 Ай бұрын
GKMC is Kendrick's peak.
@TheRealLeonardWashington
@TheRealLeonardWashington Ай бұрын
Mike ate both Ron and Leroy’s lunch during that Jay debate. And EL P joined later and got leftovers 😂
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
They uses the same classic argument that Jay only raps about money. This is why I say Jays music is actually over hip hop heads understanding.
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
What folks do is come on and just bash the rapper being discussed as being nothing but trash next to Nas or Pac and to you that's actually a win smh.
@TheRealLeonardWashington
@TheRealLeonardWashington Ай бұрын
@@leroygreen6310 that’s all you got from what Mike said because you only listen to respond. You might wanna go back to that live bruh
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@TheRealLeonardWashington Stop fam. Mike was making the argument that white America doesn't really know Jays music smh. I mean love the homie but wow.
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@TheRealLeonardWashington When it comes to the other folks yes 99% of the time they'll bash the rapper because that's considered winning an argument with me so many times folks will repeat over and over how terrible a rapper is or how Jays music is mindless ignorance and then get louder when I talk so I'll stop and then change the subject. It's cool though.
@alexsosick863
@alexsosick863 Ай бұрын
Mike you were on a roll until you said Chris is closer to MJ than Kobe is to Jordan. The Records have to count for something. If Chris had a thriller all that Rihanna stuff would have been swept away. We can name 10 Male singer/ performer before we get to Chris. We can’t objectively do the same for Kobe on a top 10 NBA list.
@isaacsello6097
@isaacsello6097 Ай бұрын
Jay does not have a 1000 songs Leroy, stop it. I counted his songs from RD to 444 (solo staff) and in total without bonous tracks adds up to 196 songs, where is he going to have 804 more songs to get to a 1000?
@jamaaldavis7907
@jamaaldavis7907 Ай бұрын
Lol
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
By September 2008 in The Empire Strikes Back of Vibe Magazine article written by Sean Fennessy with illustrations by Rik Lee on pages 134 and 135 they list 450 songography from Jay Z. That was 08 so I can only imagine how many songs he got now. When you see the list you'll realize just how many times Jay has popped up on a features and soundtracks outside of just his own albums. The point is to constantly suggest Jay lacks artistic passion and cares nothing for Hip hop year after year after year almost every month is ridiculous. THAT'S the point.
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Leroy lies constantly
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
Here's a thought next time why do folks follow the point of the conversation and actually say something intelligent rather then to nitpick what the parameter talking points are in an attempt to act like you don't know the actual point.
@TheRealLeonardWashington
@TheRealLeonardWashington Ай бұрын
Yea Jay doesn’t have nowhere near that amount. And that’s even if you include features. Vulture .com did a ranking of Jay’s songs. He has 285. And they had to include the collab albums with R Kelly, Kanye and Beyonce. That was in 2019. We probably can count on one hand how many songs Jay has that are his and not features since then
@Shysta30
@Shysta30 Ай бұрын
Guess i can go ahead and say that Jay-Z is the biggest culture vulture there is and he's not a white man, culture vulture doesn't only exist with another race, it can also be with our own community.
@moisesfigueroa6390
@moisesfigueroa6390 Ай бұрын
Explain how Jay is a culture vulture when all he does is give back to the community n puts his money where his mouth is.. 🤔?
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Leroy made a fool of himself, yet again. That's what happens when you place idols (Jay Z and Egyptian gods) ahead of the Creator, His Son, and Holy Spirit, and attack God's people and His Word. Who's laughing? LOL!
@CommonNotCommon24-7
@CommonNotCommon24-7 Ай бұрын
Super Duper needs to be up here more
@kestonphillip577
@kestonphillip577 Ай бұрын
Leroy a fan boy. Dude lame asf. He waters 💧 dwn the show tbh
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
You literally have a white man ahead of God as your Lord and Savior
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
And I'm laughing that's who. I'd rather subscribe to what can be proven came from black people then what every historical records proves was the religion of slavemasters forced on black people.
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Leroy, those demons in you can keep lying and keep you looking a fool. I warned you, you can’t defeat a child of God. God has soldiers that don’t even know me personally destroying you live on air, for all to witness. Lol! See how God works? Lol!!!
@Gymbum365
@Gymbum365 Ай бұрын
Best hip hop podcast in the market period!
@themadhatter7690
@themadhatter7690 Ай бұрын
Kendrick dope but over-rated. He has 3 good to great albums. Jay and Nas respectively have close to 10 good to great albums. That shows the gap from the true G.O.A.Ts and the new ones.
@130stevieg
@130stevieg Ай бұрын
lol it is funny that Miley Cyrus admitted she never heard a Jay-Z song before. Ron lowkey made Mike’s point more valid.
@saps2901
@saps2901 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry. I never do this, but... Leroy Green watering down the product. For fucks sake!
@HBCSTL9587
@HBCSTL9587 Ай бұрын
2:20 Feel is tough! It’s between that and Mortal Man
@kennethtucker90
@kennethtucker90 Ай бұрын
I agree with Mike 💯%...Btw, tht comment from AB was said first by Choke No Joke🫡to him. Ppl be acting like Jay is bigger than HIPHOP & make excuses for him. The TRUTH is considered hate in this CRAZY world🤦🏽‍♂️
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
That's cause bigger than Hip hop doesn't make sense. Hip hop us global and Jays not bigger than earth nor does Hip hop have a height to determine how tall it is so Jay can't detach from Hip hop cause that would be like Jay thinking he could detach from being black but believe or not people try to make the argument he's a white man too smh. I've heard it all
@donniedraco4310
@donniedraco4310 Ай бұрын
Chris Brown has bops, he has smash hits, he has moments but the boy has no classic single or album. How did he jump to being compared to MJ when Usher, Justin Timberlake, all smoking him in terms of the actual music, theatrics aside?
@idolgray
@idolgray Ай бұрын
CB never even reached 1989 bobby brown level.. Never came close to 2004 usher. Prime ginuwine giving CB a run for his money and early ne-yo🤷🏾‍♂️
@donniedraco4310
@donniedraco4310 Ай бұрын
@@idolgray facts, sisqo 1999 I lived it
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
CB doesn’t have a Don’t Be Cruel, Tenderoni, Every Little Step, My Perogative, On Our Own. He doesn’t have a feature as legendary/infamous as Thug Lovin lol. Bring in his work with New Edition, it’s really over. Bobby rapped too.
@cassandraclark5499
@cassandraclark5499 Ай бұрын
Who’s taking fat Joe seriously anyway
@bricew8448
@bricew8448 Ай бұрын
I’ve been saying this for years but everyone claims hes bypassed MJ and Usher in everything. Hes great in his own right but he doesn’t have no MAN IN THE MIRROR, BILLIE JEAN, OFF THE WALL, BEAT IT etc. He don’t even have a YEAH or NICE & SLOW.
@robertarmstrong9182
@robertarmstrong9182 Ай бұрын
Marley Marl produced a couple of LL albums. Yes/no?
@saps2901
@saps2901 Ай бұрын
When is the Kendrick vs Common stationhead happening? Waiting patiently.
@According2HipHop
@According2HipHop Ай бұрын
June 29th
@saps2901
@saps2901 Ай бұрын
@@According2HipHop Yessir. Thanks. My money's on Common Sense, 14-11 25 rounds?
@robertarmstrong9182
@robertarmstrong9182 Ай бұрын
Q-Tip produced Danny Brown's entire album 2 yrs ago. Didnt get enough credit.
@ptreznov240
@ptreznov240 Ай бұрын
Executive produced
@rockstar2873
@rockstar2873 Ай бұрын
Im. from England and i can confirm Jay is not big out here!!! Kanye West is though we love him!!
@mieakamoore7825
@mieakamoore7825 Ай бұрын
LP was cooking......
@MrsSmith-cs7li
@MrsSmith-cs7li Ай бұрын
Justin was on tour with Jay during the Magna Carta album because I attended in Miami.
@Mikepepp2
@Mikepepp2 Ай бұрын
Can’t forget about TIP. On the boards With MOBB DEEP and NAS
@tmcabrew46
@tmcabrew46 Ай бұрын
No on one closer to MJ he is in his own lane. When people say that Beyonce in MJ in this era production/performance and hands on with everything everyone goes into convulsions like they were being killed, just going in on her when MJ is her idol as she always say. Now it is shared here people want to compare Chris Brown, Usher to MJ make all this make sense. I am making a response to some of the comments below.
@infamousp5608
@infamousp5608 Ай бұрын
The evils aint all that. Snoop and Prodigy on the hook is the best part.
@humblebragger500
@humblebragger500 Ай бұрын
Ur buggin lol
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Blasphemy by Pac, Some of Us Have Angels by Nas, and No Religion by Prodigy are better then D’Evils. Heaven by Jay Z is better than D’Evils
@nykareem2001
@nykareem2001 Ай бұрын
Tripping
@TheRealLeonardWashington
@TheRealLeonardWashington Ай бұрын
Yea yall buggin hard on D’Evils. I said it during the live. That’s arguably the best song on RD
@superbduper992
@superbduper992 Ай бұрын
D'Evils is pretty mid....not like how people be trying to make it
@ShakaRaSpeaks
@ShakaRaSpeaks Ай бұрын
People tend to forget Usher exists when they speak of Chris Brown... 🤔
@gibsonfranchise
@gibsonfranchise Ай бұрын
There is another LL song called the force from the album check it out
@taioslamjam9323
@taioslamjam9323 Ай бұрын
Leroyyyyyyyy...always a pleasure watching him lose his head over Jay Z loooooooool
@jq4846
@jq4846 Ай бұрын
BRAH HOW YOU GONE JUMP IN TALKING BOUT STOP, WITH YO DRUNK COLLAR AND SOME SHADES ON INSIDE DURING DAY TIME. BRO YOU NEED TO STOP. HAHAHA O MY GOD
@CommonNotCommon24-7
@CommonNotCommon24-7 Ай бұрын
Ron shot 1-25 this episode 😂😂😂 his only bucket was him showing up. Still all love tho Mike went 55-11-11 straight 🔥 🔥🔥
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mike sent him a text checking him, resulting in that on air apology. Ron was acting out of pocket with the Jay Stan putting that battery in his back, and had to snap back to reality. Mike isn’t playing
@ronaldyoung5
@ronaldyoung5 Ай бұрын
😂😂. I can assure you no text message was sent and no one “checked” me. I took a moment to think and there is a fair argument that Jay’s moves for the past decade plus makes him appear out of touch with culture. El P made the point a little more clear for me.
@ronaldyoung5
@ronaldyoung5 Ай бұрын
Man I didn’t shoot that bad. I think I had about 13 pts, 8 boards and 10 assists. Especially when Mike said Breezy closer to MJ than Kobe is to Jordan. 😂😂
@CommonNotCommon24-7
@CommonNotCommon24-7 Ай бұрын
@@ronaldyoung5 🤣😂🤣😂 it's all love
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
@@ronaldyoung5 that's great. All that matters is you came to your senses
@ptreznov240
@ptreznov240 Ай бұрын
Mad Max came in speaking FACTS, Jay WASHES Kanye it’s not even a contest
@superbduper992
@superbduper992 Ай бұрын
The music industry blackballing Chris Brown is the direct reason R&B is dead!!
@ebnest123
@ebnest123 Ай бұрын
To Pimp a Butterfly his best album
@Follow.the.Leader
@Follow.the.Leader Ай бұрын
GKMC
@R2Ovidz
@R2Ovidz Ай бұрын
Chris don't even have an Invincible album in his catalog.
@erwinjones9869
@erwinjones9869 Ай бұрын
Be careful, pundits are going to counter with that well Kanye and Dr Dre didn't perform, what about them, and yes 5 hr debates can also take place were your discussing those two individual "entities" by themselves Jay Z and Kanye West are not joined at the Hip!!
@enlighten1863
@enlighten1863 Ай бұрын
Hov did the tunnel 100 times… 🤦🏾‍♂️
@Hunt9-qb1if
@Hunt9-qb1if Ай бұрын
Nas is Lightyear better than Jay Z. There was never a time where Jay Z was better his stylus build off Nas style. Jay isn’t on Nas level
@tmcabrew46
@tmcabrew46 Ай бұрын
He did not do that his team did that he did not know anything about the library get your facts right.
@tmcabrew46
@tmcabrew46 Ай бұрын
Why do an interview when your words are going to be taken out of content or people will say he is doing the interview to be seen damn if he do, damn if he don't. If your not asked to perform at an award/festival you are not going to perform there are a lot of big artist and hip hop artist that do not do exactly what your talking about. Jay is not obligated to do anything those hip hop artist make their choice to perform if he does not want to perform he does not have to.
@Hunt9-qb1if
@Hunt9-qb1if Ай бұрын
Y’all make this topic every couple of months Jay Z is not coming back. Jay-Z better find a way to get out of the country because he’s the next Diddy
@Hunt9-qb1if
@Hunt9-qb1if Ай бұрын
Jay Z does not have range as far as creativity and subject matter. He’s basic as shit. He’s one of the greatest rappers of all time but this all how accomplished he is because of his billions does not make you the best rapper and he’s not the best rapper people need to get over it.
@williesween8780
@williesween8780 Ай бұрын
Hov is the GOAT. Let that man be great. He has elevated the culture through his music, business acumen , philanthropy, and social justice projects. He is showing the culture how to reach for the highest heights. But, those with a crabs in the barrel mentality do not like to see people in the community become too successful.
@humblebragger500
@humblebragger500 Ай бұрын
Not with that tight ass LV jacket he had on lol
@williesween8780
@williesween8780 Ай бұрын
@@humblebragger500 Jay’s my guy, but that jacket was a little snug 😂😂😂😂
@atonscott
@atonscott Ай бұрын
Tell.jay give back all them songs and lines he stole and used to hustle ya dumb assses 😂 all frauds feds colonizers will be held accountable for there crimes we woke that shit not flying no more get him and Diddy and rest of the feds out of here
@RC777-co1fb
@RC777-co1fb Ай бұрын
Jay Dressed Like a basquiat 2005 Jim Jones
@Shysta30
@Shysta30 Ай бұрын
You elevates the culture by not even representing the culture on its anniversary, yet you celebrate yourself and at the white man becking call when they need him, but you didn't show up for the very culture that made you rich, make it make sense.
@Hunt9-qb1if
@Hunt9-qb1if Ай бұрын
Anybody saying harder the city is better than Jesus walk is a certified clown and should be banned from talking music
@adnanojd
@adnanojd Ай бұрын
Jay done made millions/billion off the culture he could give two shits about it, he’s been a self-centered narcissist just like LeBron James, Stop defending this man Leroy Bleek he don’t kno you lol
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Leroy Bleek Carter lol
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
I didn't say he did but somebody that you've all seen perform a bunch of times the last 25 years you didn't wanna see at HH 50 cause I specifically remember you all saying he shouldn't be there cause you don't like his music anyway. Then when he actually doesn't show up you still mad smh. The reality is had he showed up you'd of said look at him trying to take shine away from Nas yada yada yada. Hate hate hate.
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Leroy, crying as usual
@jamaaldavis7907
@jamaaldavis7907 Ай бұрын
Leroy bleek😂😂😂
@leroygreen6310
@leroygreen6310 Ай бұрын
@@stillhere6558 Bish you've dedicated your life to talking about me and that still aint work like you thought it would cause I'm laughing it up while you bang on your keyboard for nothing smh.
@humblebragger500
@humblebragger500 Ай бұрын
Jayz is def not washed. He'll sell out an arena like its nothing. Without even putting out new music
@atonscott
@atonscott Ай бұрын
He going steal some more bite some more he the first drake world is awake now so its real out here all frauds feds colonizers will be exposed all way to 2025
@idolgray
@idolgray Ай бұрын
Really dont understnd mikes arguments today regarding jay z and his audience. Jay is a crossover act. White and non black fans love and "understand" his music and story, his rags to riches story is fashioned as "an all americn success story". You go to a jay show, the demograoghics are literally everybody. Fans placed him above hip hop. Jay is just playing his role as the GOAT and "final boss" of the game.
@jamaaldavis7907
@jamaaldavis7907 Ай бұрын
Hov ain't the goat..&. Neva was.....😂😂
@idolgray
@idolgray Ай бұрын
@@jamaaldavis7907 consensus GOAT not named 2pac...this is what fans think.
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t call getting rich by selling crack to one’s own community an “All American” success story. We all know Jay has a varied audience. The point you missed is that Jay’s original fanbase and what set him up for ultimate success, was black folks. Starting from those dope fiends he pushed crack to in order to fund his label, to his business partners starting Roc Nation, to the people that supported Reasonable Doubt. It’s fine he’s an elitist now. All we’re saying is it’s black people whose backs he stood on to get to where he’s at now. I say this with Jay in my top 5 of all time.
@stillhere6558
@stillhere6558 Ай бұрын
Money doesn’t make anyone superior, it’s integrity and humility that’s sets someone apart. You Jay Stans are disillusioned by his wealth and success, which you’ll never partake in.
@idolgray
@idolgray Ай бұрын
@@stillhere6558 musically he never abandoned that audience. Politically maybe..from a capitalist standpoint yes and regardless of how he started him coming from crack dealer to billionaire is one of the reasons why he's beloved. And is celebrated. If selling drugs is a disqualifier then so many legends legacies should be in question.
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