totally agree!

lol, same here, ruthless metal video

It was probably the video Who invented thrash metal I just got through watching it jusst now and this was one of the demos and I knew right away this is more Black Metal than Thash maybe the beginning of Black Metal

@@debbieyoung314 You called it! 😉

Wow! Same here.

Their demo before this is called black metal masters , sucks a thrash band like venom gets the credit for coining the term when they were 3 or 4 years late

@Simon Achebe I agree, the extreme unclean vocals were definitely becoming more of a mainstream technique around this time period. Still, it blows my mind that this even predates Bathory by 2 years. & Celtic Frost was still early Hellhammer when Holy Moses recorded this demo. People also forget to include Sodom & Kreator in the evolution of that early black metal sound. These early german extreme metal bands definitely attributed to that harsher, heavier, darker sound we know today as black metal along with the hardcore punk bands of the '70s & '80s of course. For the time period, and the fact that it's a female vocalist, these are pretty damn gnarly & impressive to me compared to other extreme metal bands of the day

Modern BM vocals were around in the 80s for sure

@@hmpz36911 Outside of Bathory and Sarcofago?

@@sothis1448 Do all forget- Venom, the creators of Black Metal started it all in the 70s~

@@sothis1448 Mayhem, Vulcano, early Kreator

fuck yeah Plasmatics rip

If you look up death growl in Wikipedia it says that Sabina Classen uses growling vocals in this demo. Some punk groups like The Clash and Plasmatics use growled or gruff sounding vocals.

There's no blast beats on that song, you are confusing double bass and blast beat.

@NO BODY they're contemporaries and friends. Cronos is on their cover of 'Black Metal'.

@NO BODY Holy Moses also had a demo by 1980. It's called Black Metal Masters.

NO BODY i like both bands but holy moses demo tops venom in terms of black metal sound. They have dry snare and primitive vocals unlike venom.

@@heresyify Biggest Bullshit ever!!!!!

NO BODY Nope, they did have a demo by 1980 with a different vocalist.

Dude! How the hell are Heavy Load, Dorsal, and Attomica even remotely close to black metal? HL is a classic HM band, Dorsal is a Crossover band, Attomica is pure thrash. The earliest band that pointed to black metal was Vulcano and early Sepultura. No South American band predates them.

@@Annihilation_0f_The_Wicked9066 don’t forget parabellum!

@@ashkenad Oops! We can't forget those guys. The first Colombian extreme metal band and a huge influence on South American metal. Too bad they split-up. I'm not sure how that dude thought that those bands are BM? Its like saying that Priest and Accept were an influence to Grindcore.

Nobody can be truer black metal than the creators - VENOM! Anybody that thinks otherwise is a poseur.

Actually, Holy Moses coined the term. Their first demo is called Black Metal Masters from 1980

exactly my reaction, crazy

@Acid Party From what was posted on the Metal Archives Forums, no one has it. At least no one with internet access, or that cares to share it, lol. Not one single copy has been verified in picture or audio on the internet that I or others have been able to track down. If someone does actually have it, they haven't posted any actual, physical evidence of it besides talking about it in interviews. Basically for all intents and purposes for us.... it doesn't exist.

@@pleasuretokill We can hear it online.

@@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms link?

@Zane Goodeker yes, link

@@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms link?

Que onda bro

The black metal masters never existed.

@@Davideth What about their other demo's? I can only find satan's angel and Walpurgisnight...

seems to be lost media atm

@@Davideth it is existing and here in my archives. I will upload sometime...

​@@raidhohealinghorses-mindwi103if you upload it, you will break the internet for black metal, Venom and holy moses fans haha

According to Wikipedia this is the first band ever... I was curious about the origin of harsh vocals in metal. This is supposedly the first recorded instance of the death growl in metal.

@Simon Achebe death ss had one or two rehearsal tracks recorded prior to 1981 and they were just horror rock/metal, nothing to do with black/speed/thrash. On their compilations the years next to track titles actually correspond to the time the songs were composed, not recorded. For example the version of horrible eyes you refer to was not recorded in 1978 but composed that year.

@Simon Achebe Thanks! very interesting stuff, United Mutation never heard them before! by the way even Venom back on their 1979 rehearsal (which was released for first time before a couple years) their first singer was already using harsh vocals on the songs buried alive/raise the dead. Also does the Spk - Slogun song from 1979 count? The vocals at the end of the track become harsh enough I think...

@Simon Achebe Damn it this is deranged indeed but is it from 1979? Because on discogs it says "All material recorded between 1980 and 1983. "

@Simon AchebeFrom early industrial i would recommend these: the legendary slogun track by Spk from 1979: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hcCHoLx2utXblZs.html and We hate you little girls by thobbing gristle released in 1979 but recorded in 1976: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d72hgah62dXbmWQ.html

Nah,still Thrash. If it's before Brazilian Scene and Bathory no reason to really think of it as such.

@@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms their first demo was called “Black Metal Masters”

@@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms There's nothing thrash metal about them. This came before thrash metal. Those two genres have some musical qualities in common but they're very different

@@ashkenad The black masters never existed

@@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms Venom were black metal before Bathory, the Brazilian scene etc.

Confused by what ? By the lyrics of Am I evil of Diamond Head?

Iron Maiden is not the only band to slide from a D power chord to an E power chord

No

@Commander Salamander I'm starting to think that demo is a myth. Cannot find it anywhere

@Commander Salamander Black metal masters do not exist, as far as we know the term "Black Metal" was created by the guys from Venom, but there is no proof that the guys from Holy Moses have created a demo with that name, there is no song or image of that demo that proves that in 1980 they created the term before Venom.

@@MrMachinegun83 It is a myth. It's just more lame attempts to deny Venom their credit.

@@Davideth I will upload the demo...I do have one in my archives, if it is still working...

Venoms first album was in 81. But Holy Moses first demo was in 1980 so Holy Moses very well could have been Venom to the punch but Venom gets all the credit

Venom demos were 1979/1980

@@Nissardpertugiu Venom are the sole creators of black metal. Poseurs try to deny them, but they're just that - poseurs.

@@hmpz36911 they certainly seem to be the first band to widely distribute an album or EP of the style known as BLACK metal or proto-black metal. This demo wasn’t widely distributed, but it’s damn interesting how some aspects - such as the vocals - are even more ahead of their time than Venom. I love Venom and I think they’re far better than Holy Moses here (although this is good). But it’s interesting seeing little shreds of what would blossom in 84-88 and then fully formulate in the early 90s.

@@mercurydylan899 There was this psychedelic band that was doing Bathory style vocals, but I forget their name.

what?

fuck off man, go listen to your power metal or whatever

Did you hit your head

@@pipino1313she probably thinks Manowar is the only real metal band after seeing someone saying that sarcastically online and not catching the irony

Ok good then