Fax🔥

And us older fans know that originally, the “Phoenix Force” was a retcon that Marvel wrote years after the Dark Phoenix story, and that _originally_ “Phoenix” was all Jean’s own native power. It was her own power all along.

It's crazy how much she can truly do

Phoenix is the nexus of all PSIONIC ENERGY in the cosmos It's the cosmic force of creation and destruction I don't think reality warping/time manipulation gonna work on PF LMAO

Actually not really, Jean as Phoenix is second to TOAA stated by the Watcher itself. All abstracts kneel to Jean because they fear her the most. Death respects her and wouldn't dare to cross path with Phoenix Force Jean. Phoenix itself is reality warper on grand scale beyond comprehension due to her limitless powers along with controlling life, death of all life. She literally exist outside reality and time itself.

True that fall of X storyline definitely buffed her💪

You should watch X-Men Evolution it was _by far_ the best version of Jean. She was the opposite of XTAS. Super powerful.

@@arc7375 yeah, but wasn’t she mind controlled to steal stuff in that series? I do love Jean’s powers. One of my favorite X-Men is Rachel Summers Grey, her daughter with the same powers. Awesome characters the both of them.

she is the strongest one, actually

@@livimarmarchan1359 exactly

Yessirrrr🔥

That's fax often wonder why they don't just send Jean and storm and call it a day😂

Sinestro? The yellow Lantern?, Wait ohhhh you're talking about Sinister😂

@@Ikesaint yeah my bad 😅

Although, yes, I do believe that she could take on Sinestro. By using her telepathy, she could empathetically cause Sinestro to feel hope, then he would lose control of his fear-based yellow Power Ring... even if just momentarily

😂😂😂she a dbz fusion

Nah, that's Onslaught. He would eat Jean for breakfast

@@TimeStreamerMoebius didn’t onslaught seek Jean out because she’s a powerful psychic anyways?

@@tehmaimed yes, but when she refuse to join him, he toss her back from astral plane and erased her memory like a piece of cake

@@TimeStreamerMoebius And that my friends is what you call a plot device. Learning to identify them versus how characters would actually fight is a valuable skill for debates. Jean is a stronger mutant than both professor Xavier and magnus in every way Onslaught is dust to her

Nah fax😂😂

yes but the phoenix is coming

@@Chichicoco417 how tf you guess that😂

@Ikesaint 😂😂😂 1. Ms. girl just came back from who knows where they weren't gonna off her again 2. Storm name dropped Phoenix in the same episode 3. It was such a lame way to die. The writers have been on fire this entire season no way were they gonna fumble like that

By herself, with Phoenix her telekinesis is unlimited, gotta admit that's pretty scary

Her telekinesis is limited but yet powerful. I think her tk is the second most powerful, only Exodus is stronger. Nothing is too light or too heavy for her tk abilities. She can lift tons.

It’s not “limited” - it’s at alpha level, which is still incredibly powerful. Let’s not forget that Xavier is depicted as “The” telepath, but he’s only at alpha level in his telepathy. So imagine what Xavier does with his telepathy. Jean has a similar level of power to that with her telekinesis.

No literally💀

Ikr!! I hate how they made storm and magneto looks so powerful, like how magneto affected the entire planet, storm destroying dozens of sentinels. And theres Jean… She’s supposed to be the most powerful mutant.

that was a terrible decision in past , because they just wanted show a contrast between the moment she had alow level of her power

@@yyy443 Oh yeah That Magneto situation where he's literally weaker than her in terms of his limitation to only metal while she can move matter itself Is is an entire mess. i'm tired of him always having to save the day.

"Scotttttttt"

@@bolt6572 "I wasn't yet strong enough"

@@Kruukk “I am the guardian….teach me to- AAAAAAUUUUHHH”

​@@cosmictraveler1146I....AM.....PHOENIX

The amount of haters here yeesh. yall okay?

That is true definition of a crash out

its done that way just for a plot to happen lol

Only in XTAS, where lifting a chair with her telekinesis would make her faint. In X-Men Evolution, Jean was an absolute powerhouse. She starts off very modest with her powers at the start of the series, yet we see her powers grow rapidly. She very quickly becomes the most powerful member of the team. And she’s incredibly useful and capable. And doesn’t faint.

No the only issue with her is that she's constantly being thrown into the hands of writers that don't know what they're doing

@@arc7375 Didn't she get humiliated by that merry sue charles Xavier had as a son? I swear I wanted her to go dark Phoenix right on his behind

Noooooo

Fax

She can but that's offtopic.

@@idk-wn4cvIn a fight between Jean vs Wanda, here telepathy and telekinesis vs Wanda’s probability powers, Jean wins. For Phoenix vs Scarlet Witch, Phoenix wins again. Wanda only managed to (temporarily) cast out Phoenix from 616 during AvX because she had Hope with her. Hope became the avatar of the Phoenix, and allowed Wanda to banish Phoenix. So in short, Wanda put the Phoenix in a time-out, because the Phoenix allowed her to.

@@arc7375 Fact is Wanda also has telepathy (weaker than jean) and also telekinesis(=>than jean) this fight would be close. With phoenix force Jean is obv stronger. But don't forget about chaos magic. Both are kinda equal the winner would be the one with more control/knowledge(Wanda) In comics the debate is really complex and stuff but in LA Jean is no match to Wanda. She was not even able to defeat vuk. She had to sacrifice herself to overpower her.

@@arc7375wasn’t there a panel where iron man or someone examine Jean and Wanda, and how both of their powers amplified when they’re fighting one another? I’d say they’re both are almost to equals

@@idk-wn4cv she didn't sacrifice herself she embraced the power of the phoenix and merged with it killing vuk in the process... That's why you see her flying at the end

That is lowkey fax

No one cares jean needs fans with actual minds you would only put a damper on the fandom

This is lowkey fax Jean did need that upgrade for always being so sorry😂

@@Ikesaint 🤣🤣🤣I’m a fan tho…of Marvel Girl not Phoenix and of Storm. That Phoenix BS only held her back from reaching her full potential until Hickman’s run.

First of all, I understand what you're trying to say here but you don't need to put down Jean to make storm a more highlighted character. Storm is constantly being praised, always being called a goddess (The only reason people in Africa think she's a god is because there aren't many mutants there) People think that she's unbeatable and so on, the Phoenix force was always supposed to be created for Jean and they struggled with it because the original writers were sexist and refused to have jean become stronger than a man, everybody knows that. All of this head cannoned stuff about storm being able to move objects is either fake, retconnd, or was just something they gave her In the prototype stages of her character development which is a really cheap way to analyze someone else's skill set. She has fainted at every given chance and passed out after performing every single feat and to say that Magneto, somebody who is literally the perfect example of a Gary Sue and is limited by his abilities to only control metal stronger than Jean grey? it's just plain out disrespectful Ignorance. You might as well just say that you don't like her, using all of the times when she was done dirty by the writers or ignorantly mismanaged doesn't make your point any better. We all know that she's a slept on character and has the potential...not even, ISSSS the strongest mutant on the entire planet With or without the phoenix. Storm is my second favorite character but let's not do all that. Lastly, saying that she's useless without the Phoenix force it's just a plain skill issue on your part (Not to mention the most played out argument) And a blip in your comprehension skills as she has Proved herself To be more than capable of performing feats like tossing buildings and taking down Sentinels without the Phoenix Force thanks. And I'm so sick and tired of quote Unquote Jean fans claiming that the Phoenix force held her back while that is true to a certain extent because it's way more satisfying to see her do things on her own you guys are only really just upset that when she has the Phoenix force there's no denying that she's the strongest being in the Marvel Omniverse and you guys have a problem with that. Not to mention that Jean Grey and the Phoenix are one so, whether she has the Phoenix or not it doesn't take away from anything because she was always meant to have that power. No one ever talks about how Wanda would literally be a failed witch in the MCU if she hadn't been radiated by that Infinity Stone making her the Scarlet Witch. Point being it's a power she didn't originally have but that's a discussion for another day...marvel girl fan my butt

@@Ikesaint You need to figure out which side you're on for real The flip-flopping in the comments is undoing the brilliant points you made in your video, It's OK to not be friends with everyone