“Father of daughters”

I don't think it's an unpopular opinion. He's clearly presented as a good man. Later on in the show, Vic wins Jed over by confessing that he had wanted to marry Ellie since their second date or something. After Jed has his fun by introducing the poor guy to the Joint Chiefs.

@@nickwilliams8302 for some reason though the fandom HATES him, and it makes me sad because he's so sweet and like you said the show takes pains to show us how much he adores Ellie.

Fwiw, Liz is the badass who can handle a bad husband, not Ellie.

@@ArtemisScribe Supposedly, the fandom wanted the couple who got married to be Charlie and Zoey, which wasn’t possible because of scheduling with the actors. They must have taken their frustrations on Vic.

@@nrkgalt yeah I know that, I remember the drama, I still like Vic, he's nice.

She just took it, she didn't "snatch" anything.

Mother + Doctor... A very dangerous combination. And John, she did snatch it. Says so in the script. :)

@@lancer525 It might say it in the script, but the action was not sudden or hasty, which are by definition part of snatching. :p

I also liked how Ellie sighed when Jed got called away, she was thinking not again.

Priceless!

Stop being dense. She is pregnant. Her glass was put down, she wasn't sold like cattle. Does your family walk on egg shells around each other?

@The Premier So? Obviously you don't think that's a problem, seeing as my post was 11 months ago. You just want to gripe?

Did not know she was Martin’s daughter!

@@maryannkaminski2152 His real name is Ramon Estevez. It would have been really impactful if he used that name for the West Wing credits. Also, Emilio Estevez is his son.

@@nrkgaltYou might have seen this but there's a funny moment at the end of the teaser trailer for "Machete Kills" as the voice over guys is reading out the cast list and goes "AND INTRODUCING CARLOS ESTEVEZ." I got a kick out of that.

She wanted a guy like her father, so she went for a nerdy intellectual. Most nerdy intellectuals don't have Jed Bartlet's charm or wit.

@@jayazathoth8530 She went for a guy she liked, there weren't any weird incest vibes going on.

@@coena9377 She was a daddy's girl who was close to her father, and I think it's clear subtext that she wanted a guy like her father. It was a running joke that Bartlett was a great man but also a nerd about things he's interested in, and that she then fell for a stereotypical nerd.

@@jayazathoth8530Of Bartlet's three kids, she's the least close to him. He once asked her godmother "how come I could never get her to like me?" because he hated that they didn't have a close relationship, later in that conversation he also said that he'd always had an easier time bonding with his two other kids. She also once told him, during an argument, "I don't know how to make you happy dad, for that you'd have to ask Zoe or Liz". She loved him and he loved her as they were family, but they weren't particularly close for a father and daughter. Bartlet can be nerdy, particularily about issues relating to economics, law, religion, and government, but that's a very different "type" of nerd than this guy. This guy is the socially awkward scientist and a heart of gold type nerd whereas Bartlet is a charismatic politician and economist who also loves arcane trivia and details of constitutional law type nerd. Not that similar.

@Jim Dandy What, the rich, hot, blonde actress (or in this case Doctor) isn't good enough for you? Fuck off incel boy. God I'm so tired of you people.

And accurately portraying that which happens in real life is another thing often called "acting".

Been there, done that. Then got to be the father staring down the future son-in-law. It's funny, 20 years later...

There have been a few sitting presidents who had daughter ms who got married. The last one was Bush Jr. Bush Sr’s daughter married the aide of a Democratic Congressman. That had to be awkward.

+jacksonfinsh1 me too. she reply to tweets few times

As long as there's a Catholic priest and the correct rite used the building it is in is not important.

Lol. Half of my family is Catholic. Of that half, only about 75% married in a church. It's considered an "irregular marriage". Some were outdoors. One was married at home. The Bishop has to approve locations other than the church. So it really depends upon who your Bishop is. Some are more conservative than others.

He's deeply Catholic, so yes.

@@alexisclements3167 US-Americans interpretation of catholizism is weird.

Actually Nancy was played by his real daughter.

Nancy interrupts,(His real daughter).

Christel Headington yes, punctuation matters...:)

Nancy, his real daughter, interrupts. His real daughter, Nancy, interrupts.

He had no control over this daughter

John Doe - he sort of got even episodes later by having the Joint Chiefs “congratulate” his about to be son-in-law.

Ellie was the daughter he never had any control over. No sense to go ballistic at this point.

She was willing and an adult there is nothing to punch him in the face over

You do know why Sorkin had to be fired right? He was arrested in a Crack house. Like once Sorkin was fired and went to court ordered rehab he was allowed back to be a show runner again... But could you imagine a deep into the addiction of Crack Cocaine running a show at NBC about the White House staff? Like this was not an executive meddling or behind the scenes Executive producer decision... This was a necessary decision. You can't have a Crack addict running a multi million dollar show on prime time tv. At least not publically known. Sorkin for his own health and safety needed to go rehab for his own good and someone had to take over. I guarantee when Sorkin was pitching Newsroom to HBO they were like yeah we're gonna put some bimonthly Drug tests for you into this contract... Are you okay with that? Clean and sober for over a decade. I welcome it.

Even after Sorkin left WW was still better than most stuff on TV. But yes it was considerably below the level of the Sorkin years.

Yes, just like every version of religion does.

Frowns indeed. In Ireland, the couple can't give the same address to the priest, as they would be living "in sin". And you'd be better be a regular in church for a while before asking. The church is that way; the congregation much less so.

It depends on the person, how each person decides for themselves

Good question. Not sure either.

Could be worse, he could've said "up the pole". As for the wine. A little does no foetal harm and helps to reduce mama's blood pressure, which can be an issue later in pregnancy.

@@capnskiddies Or -up the duff

yeah you probably right but for the sake of the show it was just a cute funny moment so not really that serious

Plus, Abby had just found out about the pregnancy. She would have had a lot going through her mind and seeing her daughter with a glass of champagne probably wasn't helping. Ellie probably knew it was in her best interest in that moment to let her mom take it.

Get lost.

An opera buff who uses redpill cult terminology? That's like a unicorn