Jeep JL Wrangler Steering Wobble Fix with Rancho Front Track Bar

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Like many of you out there with a Jeep JL Wrangler, built up or stock, we developed a bit of wobble in our steering. It's one that mainly occurred when it's cold out and when driving over uneven pavement or hitting something like a pot hole with just one tire. Now, I should point out that what we've been feeling is FAR from being the infamous "death wobble", the violent and uncontrollable shaking of the entire Jeep and to the point where you can only stop it by bringing your Jeep to a stop. However, I can totally see how someone new to Jeeps might confuse it as being death wobble especially being that it does feel like the beginnings of it. Because a loose bolt or worn out track bar bushing is typically the cause something like this, that's where we decided to start focusing our attention. In this episode of the JL JOURNAL, you'll get to see what the wobble we had looked like and how we were able to work most of it out, if not all of it, simply by installing a new Rancho rockGEAR adjustable front track bar. We hope you find the information in this video to be useful.
I should note that we are by no means suggesting that the source of our steering wobble will be the same for everyone or that installing a Rancho adjustable front track bar will fix whatever you are feeling. This video was made simply to show what we had experienced, what we had tried and ultimately, what got things fixed for us.

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@Nirvanaib 5 жыл бұрын

Typical WAYALIFE video.....informative, well shot, easy to understand, not full of clickbait garbage, and no nonsense. Keep on keepin on guys, best jeep content by far.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! Thank you. We really do appreciate it :)

@jacobjesionek 5 жыл бұрын

Any other car owner: Look out, pothole Jeep owner: Im gonna hit every darn pothole I can find Nice video as usual!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! Well yeah :D

@GoatOffroad 5 жыл бұрын

You always amaze me with how much you know!! Can I come to Wayalife-School to learn more about Jeeps?!! ;)

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! Truly flattered you'd say as much. We're just glad to know we can be of help to others :)

@hole7612 5 жыл бұрын

Eddie is the man! Always helping everyone else too. Class act.

@americanpatriot8996 5 жыл бұрын

Hey I’m from NY and would love to go out on some type of fan fueled off road trip of some kind is there something us jeepers could do like some kind of meet and greet adventure.

@ericbeckman8814 Жыл бұрын

I didn't notice the wobble until it got cold out. Thank you for your knowledge and time to show us..

@wayalife Жыл бұрын

Glad we could be of help :)

@dantheman9808 5 жыл бұрын

Everything I need to know about jeeps is on this channel, best JL channel and very knowledgeable host, how much better can it get! :)

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! Glad to hear you enjoy our channel and that we could be of help to you :)

@calicojack3779 5 жыл бұрын

What a radical difference Eddie, thx for posting this up. Very informative.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Can't say it'd yield the same results for everyone but as you can see in the video, it made a HUGE difference for us.

@SBulldog2727 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Eddie & Cindy. I've been experiencing the same things with my jku rubi. Thank you for narrowing it down for me. You guys do such an awesome job on your videos and website. Thanks again. 😎

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Well, glad we could be of some help. Like the JL, I would start by checking your track bar bolts to make sure they're tightened to 125 ft. lbs. of torque. If all is good, I've always found the JK track bars to be good so I would move over to your ball joints and unit bearings. Depending on how little back spacing you're running on your wheels, they can cause both to wear out prematurely and they will cause this too.

@SBulldog2727 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife thank you.

@hectorserrano7703 5 жыл бұрын

I've learn so much from this channel, by far my favorite channel

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, we really are so glad to hear it and glad to know we can share some of what we've learned over the years :)

@hectorserrano7703 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife definitely appreciated keep up the great work

@2015_Rubicnn 5 жыл бұрын

I've had a great experience so far with my Steersmarts Yeti track bar. Waiting on the rear to be developed. Yeti plus Synergy sector shaft brace are a great combo.

@saabjunkieSPG 5 жыл бұрын

These vids are great, thanks for posting!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it's helpful to you :)

@dmwil1 5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you showing us this. I'm in the middle of my Jeep dealer going after this problem. They've ordered a new drag link. I told them if that doesn't cure it, I'm putting this Rancho track bar on it. Heck, I'm going to do it anyway. Thanks again!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Well, I can't guarantee you that this will fix your problem but as you see in the video, it made a big difference for us.

@dmwil1 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I went ahead and ordered it. Mine really isn't that bad, but it bugs the hell out of me. I'm certain the Rancho track bar will help.

@evintacy7272 5 жыл бұрын

I agree ide love hang out with Wayalife ,,, he is very knowledgeable!! I love his videos!!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL - so glad you enjoy our videos :)

@johnnyhatesjazz7434 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, nicely edited and well presented. Thanks for sharing.

@wayalife 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! So glad you enjoyed our video 😎

@seahorse5677 5 жыл бұрын

Man Rancho's new Control Arms and Track Bars are hard to beat. Maybe the best per dollar right now

@joegarcia3310 5 жыл бұрын

I got to be honest I've never had any luck at all with rough country and my other 2 jeeps definitely not using them on my 3rd, great videos by the way :).

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, wasn't really our first choice. Just what was available at the time and what we could get in a pinch. Not exactly what I'd recommend.

@plu5five 5 жыл бұрын

I luv the comparison of the RC vs. the Rancho brand track bars. I bet most people would think nothing was gonna change as they were both aftermarket track bars, but imho You show us viewers that the little things Do Count and Can possibly change alot, as in this case. Great Video! Keep them Coming, Thankyou Again👌🍻🙏

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Glad that we could share our experiences with you :)

@phantumdrummer 5 жыл бұрын

What I have also found that really helps with all those wobbles is to replace all the stock metric bolts in the entire suspension with 9/16" dia bolts that have an actual shank. All the holes are actually sized for a 9/16" bolt, but for some reason Jeep goes with an ever so slightly smaller metric diameter that allow for too much wiggle. Those metric bolts are also fully threaded. The fully threaded bolts cut into your inner races on the rod ends causing early wear. By using a 9/16" dia. bolt with a full shank you eliminate both of those issues.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't disagree more. There a reason why something like a pencil doesn't fall if you hold it between your fingers. Bolts are rated in terms of torque and NOT sheer for a reason. So long as your bolts are tightened to the appropriate torque AND your bushings aren't worn out or bad, you shouldn't have any problems.

@phantumdrummer 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I'm NOT talking about installing super high strength bolts in place of the stock rated bolt. I'm saying to install a bolt that actually fits the hole that is provided to reduce the excessive slop within the whole. The provided stock bolts are not even close to the correct dia. for the hole they are used in. Also there is a huge reason we in aviation don't use fully threaded bolts in high stress areas. That is because they do so much damage to the bushings.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

phantumdrummer a 10.9 bolt is STRONGER than a grade 8. There are literally over 2 million JKs on the road today. If the bolt size were truly as much of a problem as you imagine them to be, there would be a ton of JKs with serious problems out there. Of course, this is NOT the case. I’ve been running factory bots on all of my JKs and for well over 12 years and with ZERO problems.

@phantumdrummer 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I have read your forum post and see you have a strong opinion about this. In stead of wasting our time trying to convince you otherwise, I'll respect what you have to say, but also know I too have a great amount of knowledge on the subject and must respectfully disagree. I think no less of you, nor do I think you don't now what you are talking about, as you do. I come just from a different engineering background that says differently.

@mikekosar6135 2 жыл бұрын

@@phantumdrummer I like your Point… it’s definitely valid.. Hey my feelings are.. it couldn’t hurt..

@IB08Sahara 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir for sharing. I had the same issue myself, corrected it with the Teraflex Monster Track bar. So far so good considering I'm running 37's.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Good luck with that track bar. I've personally seen them break in half at the threads where the turn buckle is.

@IB08Sahara 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife hmmm thank you for that info. That was 2 years ago, but haven't taken it offroading since then being that I've been upgrading some things that needed upgrade, including wanting to drop this big boy to at least 3 ¹/2" . I guess this is going on the list cause Raush Creek gets rough. Thank you Eddie, definitely gonna look into it. Gonna look into the Rancho myself after this video. Seems like you use Rancho so coming from you it's gotta be good & tough

@dmwil1 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Eddie. Got the Rancho track bar. I've posted on your forum a couple questions that stem from initial installation. It is in the JL Journal: Working Out the Wobble--Rancho Adjustable Front Track Bar Install thread.

@rodwood693 5 жыл бұрын

I Love how you tackle a problem. You don't just go for some super trick steering system. You dissect it, one part at a time, then measure the results. So helpful. Your our jeeping Einstein!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL - Well, call me crazy but I actually like knowing what actually caused my problem.

@phild9813 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’ve seen plenty of, “just replace the whole thing” videos that advertise fixing the death wobble. True, they fixed it, but they didn’t really diagnose the problem. I totally get it though, I’ve dealt with it in an XJ and it can be extremely frustrating.

@advntrovrlnd8300 5 жыл бұрын

Eddie, Couple's things: 1. Do you need to get an alignment after you make this change? Sorry if that is an elementary question...but that's why I watch your videos, to learn. 2. Great video, don't waste your time replying to trolls that don't have any clue what or who you are. There are a lot of us that really value your opinions and videos. Whether we go the same route as you is completely up to us, but there is a ton of value in learning from your experience. I was having the same problem and had everything tightened up again and it fixed it...for now. Having watched this video, I know what my next upgrade will be. Anyway...you're doing good work and it's very appreciated. Thank you!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Damon, we really do appreciate it and it really is our only hope to share what we've learned and with the hopes that it might help people like you. Period. Regarding an alignment, no, you do not need to get one done but you will most likely need to recenter your steering wheel. That just takes a 15mm wrench and a couple of minutes of your time :)

@scott2228 5 жыл бұрын

That’s great, I had an unfixable death wobble in a 2011 I purchased brand new. A year later I traded it in. Maybe 1 day I’ll get another one

@stevetabor4447 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome job think it’s great that your knowledge an sharing that helps a lot of people save time an money with there jeeps as always be safe ........ great stuff

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

So glad that we can be of help to others like yourself :)

@jlv3x 5 жыл бұрын

Great job thanks for posting!!!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Glad that we could share some of the things we've been experiencing and how we addressed them with people like you :)

@user-io3hw7hx7q 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome have a great time

@sinepari9160 4 жыл бұрын

I like that you test the less expensive options.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, it's the only way to know what really works and why.

@sinepari9160 4 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife YES!

@lesszabo5625 5 жыл бұрын

Nicely done Eddie, process of elimination is most of the time the best way to go. Thanks for another good informative video.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Best way to solve any problem. One by one :)

@gilbertarnold8666 5 жыл бұрын

Great video thank you!

@DanielTojcic 5 жыл бұрын

Would be awesome to see you start another build with the gladiator :) another year worth of videos to enjoy watching!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Well, stay tuned. You just might get what you're hoping for :)

@jrig92 5 жыл бұрын

I had the same wobble. I changed the track bar into the steersmarts. It masked the problem a little bit. It started doing it again so I added more caster and it fixed it. Took out the steering stabilizer to see movement clearly. I hit every pothole and speed bumps I could find. Now the wheel centers itself much better and the wobble is gone. I have yet to re-install my stabilizer since it drives way better. 😂 My fix was to center the axle and increase caster.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you were able to fix what you were feeling with what you did. The point of us making this video was to show what worked for us :)

@bikesbeersbeats 3 жыл бұрын

I went with Steer Smarts, my god what a difference. I wish I had done it years ago. Also doing all of this yourself pays huge dividends. Where I live most of the shop work is very sloppy and there is no attention to detail like this. Anytime I explained what was happening it would always be brushed away with... oh thats just how jeeps are.

@guidok3762 5 жыл бұрын

You are my favorite TOOLTIME channel for sure !!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! Too funny - arh arh arh! :)

@guidok3762 5 жыл бұрын

Greetings from The Netherlands, after the CJ, YJ, TJ and JK, I bought in January a JL Rubicon Unlimited 2.2 diesel. That’s 5 in a row!

@edgardojimenez5126 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I will see if when I have my gladiator back and still wobbling with the entire synergy packet then I go thru rancho. Thanks.

@RocklanderUSA Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@wayalife Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@thomasrossi31 5 жыл бұрын

Nice vid!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@indridcold8433 5 жыл бұрын

My aging TJ's death wobble was cured with four new ball joints, an adjustable trackbar, caster adjusting bolts, and lots of love. The new part installation was easy. The adjusting of the angles was a bit tricky. But true love conquered death wobble. Today, we continue our long trek together after having stayed the horrible course of death wobble / death rattle. It was a labour of true love to treat my beloved completely alone. Many times both of us wanted to give up and just let my beloved retire and become a parts donor to other ailing Jeeps. She had other issues that needed to be addressed. But none took priority over curing death wobble. She felt it was time to die after being with me since 1996. But I told her I was not ready to stop loving her yet. I am glad I did not give up. Today, my dear Windi drives and runs like new once more. My love for her conquered the ravages of time and death wobble.

@ortiz73caify 5 жыл бұрын

Good video and great information on what to check. I think I’m going to start with the ball joints and replace them with Dynatrac replacement ones. When I did my lift I replaced the front one with an adjustable one.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Depending on how little back spacing is on your wheels, your ball joints and unit bearings will wear out prematurely. Checking them is always a good idea when looking to an issue like this.

@ortiz73caify 5 жыл бұрын

Wayalife well I put some beedlocks which are 17x9 3.5 back spacing and a -44 . So I’m pretty sure those will wear out the stock JKUR ball joints. Plus what I like about the Dynatrac ball joints is that you can rebuild them without having to take them completely out. I just figure that if I’m replacing stuff I might as well upgrade it. That’s why I like your videos because I learn stuff.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, 3.5" of back spacing will do it. We've run ProSteers and they really are about as good as they get.

@ortiz73caify 5 жыл бұрын

Wayalife what is Prosteer? Lol the ball joints just looked it up.

@eljeepguylife9360 5 жыл бұрын

You don't know how much better it makes me feel knowing how the new jeeps get the wobble ...lol Sorry Brotha. 97 Jeep TJ here. I deal with it from time to time. Latest fix was new lower rear bushings and readjusted the toe. Keep up the great work! 👋 **Jeep Wave**

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

On a Jeep as old as a 97 TJ, I might give your track bar bushings a look to make sure they aren't worn out. I would also give your ball joints a look too.

@eljeepguylife9360 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife True that! I,ve replaced track bar and ball joints too ... Fun stuff! Might try and different track bar design but holding out for a possible Dana 44 front end swap. So fare so good 👌

@jlubie8666 5 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a short video of you weighing your current setup compared to stock.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Well, if the opportunity ever comes up, I'll be sure to give it a go :)

@nvabill 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video, this may truly help my wobble situation with my Sahara. I am running stock suspension and with 23,000 miles have already had the steering stabilizer replaced under warranty. But after just approx. 2500 miles the wobble is back and I'm like WTF! I will add that the problem does seem worse in colder weather, I'm in Virginia Beach. Again thanks, I want to continue to use the warranty avenue but find this quite useful information.

@AngelRodriguez111 5 жыл бұрын

Stock steering stabilizer is garbage, get the teraflex 2.1 or 2.2 and your problems will be solved. I use the 2.2 in the softest setting which is essentially the 2.1. Best decision i ever made, the wobble is gone.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Couldn't disagree with Angel Rodriguez more. There's NOTHING wrong with the stock steering stabilizer and if anything, I've always found Teraflex products to be junk and I've run a ton of their junk in the past. At best, a bigger steering stabilizer will just MASK whatever real problem you're having and I would NOT recommend you do that. But then, that's just me.

@nvabill 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife thanks for the response, that makes total sense that a stiff steering stabilizer could potentially just mask the problem.

@nvabill 5 жыл бұрын

@@AngelRodriguez111 thank you also for responding back to my comment.

@AKArusty 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video!! Super informative. I would like your advice. Would you recommend upgrading parts before or after they break? I certainly do not wheel as hard or as often as you do.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Honestly, for me, I tend to address things as they need to be addressed. No need to spend money on things that don't need fixing.

@junwang4314 5 жыл бұрын

The root cause of bump steer shimmy is always loose bushing, can be track bar bushing or drag link bushing or both. Stiff steering stabilizer will help "grip" the bushing, therefore prolong the life of factory steering components, however will not solve the root cause.

@MJOG 5 жыл бұрын

You should look into steer smarts. Currently installing their 1.5 ton drag link, tie rod, and track bar in my wife’s JLUR

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

You should try watching some of our other videos. We already installed a Synergy Steering system and I like it much better than Steer Smarts. Seen a lot of people on our forum have issues with Steer Smarts and replacement tie-rod ends are a crazy $200 a piece. Synergy is only $30.

@dmwil1 5 жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to seeing the Synergy drag link's effect on your Jeep. Will we see that soon? I'm also curious if it will be an easy installation. Thanks again for the great video!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

We've been sidelined with a different project but yes, you will see an install on the Synergy stuff soon.

@steverb70 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Eddie, First let me say thank you for so much great information and help to the Jeep community. We truly appreciate you. I have an 18 JLUR just like yours and started experiencing Death Wobble! Very intense until I got down to about 10mph. I just lifted 3" and put 37s with KMC beadlocks similar to yours. Can you recommend a front track bar that may address my Death wobble issue. Thank you in advance. Cheers! Steve

@wayalife 2 жыл бұрын

If you haven't already done the steering box TSB replacement, make an appointment with your dealership and have that done before doing anything else.

@JF32304 2 жыл бұрын

My 2018 just started doing this today and I just got it back in December. Still have the temp tag on it. Calling the dealer tomorrow. Not sure why they don't ditch all the steering components with a rack and pinion setup would solve all these problems.

@OnMyMemoryCard 5 жыл бұрын

Nice! This step by step incremental change is super helpful. It’s great to see how each component impacts the drive quality. Rancho looks like good quality product too.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome, glad to hear we could be of help :)

@BobLionel 5 жыл бұрын

Everyone seems to be having issues with the JL and shimmies. I guess I've been lucky with mine with the Mopar/Rock Krawler hybrid lift. So far no issues.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Cool to hear you're not having any problems. With the changes we've been making, we don't either :)

@maybach300c 5 жыл бұрын

4:38 Would you want to install front upper track bar mount brace ? Track Bar Bracket Weld seems not to be sturdy enough to withstand the stress.

@drewscheller4956 3 жыл бұрын

What a radical difference Eddie, thx for posting this up. Very informative.

@spuriouseffect 4 жыл бұрын

Track bars and steering dampers may be masking another problem. We have experienced death wobble and other wobble issues in several brand new stock jeeps. They come from the factory with junk ball joints and bushings. We replace them all with moog parts, and no more wobble issues.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

While I would agree with you that a steering stabilizer WILL mask other underlying problems, a loose track bar bolt or worn out bushing WILL cause death wobble.

@spuriouseffect 4 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife Well sure it will. Almost any worn components will, especially when you add oversize tires. I'm talking about brand new jeeps with less than 4000 miles on stock tires getting death wobble. The dealership's only fix is to install larger steering stabilizers, when it's the junk joints and bushings causing the problem. A bigger stabilizer will only mask the problem for so long before it weakens. Anytime you upsize tires you have to upsize everything else or you'll have problems.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm with you on all that. It's why I installed this track bar.

@mikethompson7406 6 ай бұрын

Oh boy, that's what my Jeep steering wheel looks like. I bought an expensive Fox ATS and cranked it to max and now it doesn't shake like Shakira's hips. I can still feel a little shimmy in the steering wheel though, we'll see how long before my Jeep explodes. My problem wasn't on rough section of road, it was on regular paved road.

@wayalife 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, all you did with the steering stabilizer is mask whatever the real problem you have is.

@mikethompson7406 6 ай бұрын

@@wayalife oh yeah, I know this for sure. I've already spend over $1500 with 4x4 shops for them all to say, "this looks good" or "your Jeep drives better than ours!" They're racist. 😆

@jakethesnake1503 3 жыл бұрын

when I was young selling used cars Chryslers ect. were notorious for weak bushings. I would hope they=ve fixerd that issue

@randymorlan1083 11 ай бұрын

I'm new to this Jeeping thing so please forgive me if this is a dumb question, but... you said in this video that the rear diff is offset to driver's side by default, is that because you added/changed something or is that due to the stock set-up/location? I've noticed mine is offset but I don't know what add-ons that the previous owners have done or if this is because of the stock placement. I would like to change that (OCD) but if it's meant to be set up that way I'll leave it alone. Thanks for any help and thanks for the awesome videos, keep up the great work...

@craigo6808 5 жыл бұрын

I'm just shocked you put rough country parts on your rig

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! I needed something in a pinch and thought it would at least be test worthy :)

@mattclark8483 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I ran Rough Country in my old cherokee for 10 years of hard wheeling with zero issues suspension wise, but anything with bushings, like control arms, tie rod ends, track bars, Ive had nothing but issues with and most only lasted about 6 months at best. When I got a JK i pretty much will only run Rock Krawler, Rancho, Currie, or Genright control arm products, and I loved my Teraflex track bar and steering linkage.

@davidwitcher5443 5 жыл бұрын

Ah yes the Dreaded death wobble! Not only coil sprung rigs but leaf sprung rigs will often get this too. If not the track bar, alignment and tire wear will cause it.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! What we were feeling was far from death wobble. Just a wobble but yes, any solid front axle can and will do this giving the right circumstances.

@terryallemann2654 Жыл бұрын

Looking at a comparison of the new Rancho bar vs the one you took out there is no way the Rancho is a stronger bar then the forged one you took out the bushings might be better but the forged bar I would say is stronger.

@wayalife Жыл бұрын

LOL - Didn't realize the turnbuckle was forged as well. You know, the part that is used make adjustments. I have neeeeaaaver seen that fail. That or a break at the threads. I have neeeeeaaaver seen that fail either 🤪

@scratchnbell 5 жыл бұрын

I have been pretty happy with the products I purchase from Rough Country. However, my JKU RC track bar is shot at the axle side in less than a year. Thank Eddie for pointing this out. I couldn't believe the slop.

@fourtraxer 5 жыл бұрын

I have a lot of steering wheel play in my Stock Rubicon, any suggestions? Great video, I will be going with this bar once I do a lift and bigger tires (a good ways down the road).

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

A lot of steering wheel play compared to what? A car with a IFS and rack and pinion steering or another Jeep or solid axle truck with a steering gear, drag link and tie-rod?

@fourtraxer 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I don't have another jeep to compare it to but I didn't notice it in my friends JL Rubi when I borrowed it for 3 days before I bought ours. I immediately noticed that the steering had some play when driving straight. My other vehicle is a F150 and BMW sedan.

@ScottB0107 Жыл бұрын

Driving to job site this morning on the highway. Hit a bridge bump going around a turn and vehicle started to wobble. I suppose Ill have to tell the wife I need to modify the truck to fix the problem. 😏😁

@wayalife Жыл бұрын

LOL - at bare minimum, I would double check to see if you have an older aluminum steering box. If so, you need to have your dealership perform the TSB to have it changed to iron. If it is already, have them check your ball joints. I have seen many cases where they were loose from the factory.

@ScottB0107 Жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I do have the iron box. I'll have to have the dealership check the ball joints. Highly appreciate the advise! You two rock!

@juanticimo 5 жыл бұрын

Love the detail as usual, quick question tho, did you notice any issues with steering before you went from the Dynatrac lift to the new Rancho lift? or do you think the bigger lift is whats contributing to the issues? Curious as i save my pennies for a lift. thanks!

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

We've been experiencing this problem for quite some time now. Maybe since August of last year - well before the taller lift we're running now and the ProRock axle. I should note, we know people who are experiencing this with bone stock JL's.

@juanticimo 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife ah ok thats unfortunate, thanks much for the reply. I am still Stock on my JLUR, but of course this stuff always makes me worry. Glad you got it sorted.

@gabrieldalcomune3044 4 жыл бұрын

I’m starting to suspect a faulty track bar now. I had it replaced due to wandering, but now there’s a slight wobble, it doesn’t translate to the steering wheel like in your video but i can definitely feel something funky. I might just go for rancho trackbar and synergy steering setup to factor out factory weak stuff.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

What you're describing might just be tires that need balancing.

@gabrieldalcomune3044 4 жыл бұрын

Wayalife would out of balance tires possibly cause a wobble when hitting a bump?

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

No. If you're getting a front end wobble after hitting a bump, you most likely have a worn out track bar bushing or maybe ball joint. That being said, you specifically said that you are not seeing it at the steering wheel.

@gabrieldalcomune3044 4 жыл бұрын

Wayalife I’m gonna get under the jeep this weekend and check it out then. I’m lowkey thinking the stealership didn’t torque the trackbar down because they did the 02-003-19 TSB. I definitely hear it in the front though. My only other theory is that with extra weight lowering the jeep after installing rubicon bumpers is messing with some of geometry.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely check the torque. It really needs to be 125.

@robpedrow9293 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and very helpful. Just curious though...I'm assuming you aren't involving the dealer with fixing this due to the fact that you've modified your suspension and they'd say it's not covered...correct?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Correct. I've made enough changes to my suspension and steering that the odds of getting flagged is high. I'd rather save a warranty fix for something that's completely unrelated.

@frank1672 5 жыл бұрын

If the vehicle was still in warranty does Jeep have a fixable solution to address this problem ?. Great programme by the way.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

I believe there are a couple of new TSB's that are designed to address these issues.

@curtellisjr 4 жыл бұрын

Eddie after a year are you still running the Rancho/Synergy mix of track bar/tie rod, drag link, and stabilizer relocation setup? If so, how has it fared with steering wobble issues? And finally if you were starting from scratch, would you mix the parts vs. stay with all Rancho vs. Synergy parts for this issue?

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

So far so good. We're not running all Synergy parts but only took keep things looking the same. Both use the same bushings and so both would work the same.

@MMID303 3 жыл бұрын

I had a shop install this track bar on my JT. I would do it myself but cant because health issues. The idiots didn't even adjust it! Their excuse was it was "too long" so they had it all the way in! The drivers wheel stuck out 2.5". We argued then I went to a diesel repair shop. Guys fixed it in 30 minutes for $50. The other guys charged me $225.

@leonardkeesler9118 5 жыл бұрын

I ditched the cheap stock steering stabilizer and added a Fox 2.0 ATS Steering stabilizer and the wobble is completely gone ! Sucks that you have to add aftermarket parts to a $50k vehicle to make it work like it should but it is a FCA made vehicle.

@leonardkeesler9118 5 жыл бұрын

Oh 18 JLU 2” lift 35” tires . I also find it stays in its lane without constantly sawing on the steering wheel .

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

While a steering stabilizer can help mitigate a wobble, it'll do so by masking whatever problem was causing it to occur.

@edgardojimenez5126 3 жыл бұрын

I just need your advice please: I did own a JT since 28 December in January was lifted 2” with fox shocks and 37” tires. In the beginning as good but with 18 hundred miles start the vibration in the steering wheel.I drove to the dealer steering wheel stabilizer on it and and synergy track bar brace installed,reduced a bit but came back again as before.I did buy synergy track bar,tie rod and drag link and they installed without the steering wheel stabilizer because the was before needs the relocation kit to the tie rod.They drove without and still death wobble. Now waiting for the wheel stabilizer comes to see what happens.Jeep have 8000 miles now. Is depressing... any advice please. I love your channel man. Thanks Edgar

@wayalife 3 жыл бұрын

Jeep issued a TSB that should fix what you're experiencing.

@seborracing 5 жыл бұрын

Eddie few questions, on the rear you used a relocation bracket and an adjustable track bar, and on the front you used only an adjustable track bar both from rancheros? And lastly how you liking your muffler delete pipe all about quiet and no drone

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

I'd really like to run a relocation bracket up front as well but will most likely need something custom made being that we have a ProRock 44. The Synergy drag link will be easy enough to flip. Regarding the muffler delete, I wasn't too sure about the tone but have since come to find that it isn't too bad. As far as drones go, there isn't one in 8th gear or at least, one that would drive me nuts like with other exhaust systems I've run in the past.

@edgardojimenez5126 3 жыл бұрын

TSB meaning?And what I suppose to do?I am not a mechanic just a Jeep lover and did have several jeeps without no problems just my gladiator.My JKU is fine and is 2013. Thanks.

@wayalife 3 жыл бұрын

Technical Service Bulletin. If you're still under warranty, let your dealership know about what you want fixed.

@dannybowen3550 2 жыл бұрын

When you put a long arm system on a Jeep V have to have the pitman arm on

@WranglerAddiction 5 жыл бұрын

I never had death wobble , but after the lift i got rock krawler track bar and it tighten the front more , i still have a little bit of movement when hitting pot hole , not wobble just like something is not really tight , i think i need a better steering stabalizer

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

You're probably feeling a bit of bump steer. Depending on how much actual lift you got, you may want to consider installing a drag link flip and track bar relocation bracket.

@WranglerAddiction 5 жыл бұрын

Wayalife it have 3.5 inch rancho lift kit , but it feels like the steering wheel moves easily when hitting pot holes or when offroading .

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Yup, with that much lift, you're feeling bump steer.

@WranglerAddiction 5 жыл бұрын

Wayalife thank you for infos eddie i’ll be getting steer smart drag link

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

@Wrangler Addiction Before you pull the trigger on that, you should know that ALL joints wear out and will require servicing just like tires need to be replaced. When it comes time to replace SteerSmart joints, be prepared to spend $200 per joint!

@project-5724 5 жыл бұрын

Of course its going to be better - it's brand new and everything is tight. Let it break in for a few months and see how it compares then.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! If you say so. Been running the same OE track bars on our JK running 40" tires and a DTD and for over a decade. It's STILL tight. But, if things don't pan out with this track bar that we installed a couple of weeks ago, you can be sure that we'll post a video about it :)

@project-5724 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I'm sure you will. :) I enjoy watching all your videos - great content, narration and videography ! Just had to throw some sarcasm out there.

@stzd8 5 жыл бұрын

say , do you need to adjust the draglink after installing the track bar? I had to do mine a little since the streeing was offcenter.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Yup, done many videos on this in the past and so we didn't include it again.

@nvabill 5 жыл бұрын

Also are you running stock steering stabilizer or aftermarket?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Running the stock steering stabilizer

@jeremy8715 5 жыл бұрын

0:13 panhard bar ?

@schoocg 4 жыл бұрын

Did you feel any difference after installing the track bar in the ‘normal paved road’ handling performance? Specifically that annoying steering ‘flightiness’ we all Experience with the JL or with at least our JLUR? I was wondering if that improved any. I have talked to a couple folks that have installed the Teraflex Track Bar on their JLURs and they were amazed that it significantly improved the paved road flightiness steering issue but that’s just word of mouth and I can not verify. . I think it’s time I order an after market Track Bar. Great vid as usual. Thx.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Flightiness is typically a condition of running too much air in your tires or having too little caster set.

@schoocg 4 жыл бұрын

Wayalife thank you. What highway road pressures did you run on your 33s before all your upgrades? I run 35psi highway. Your channel is great.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

@@schoocg I prefer to run 28-30 at most. You will need something like a Tazer JL to turn off the warning light though.

@jiwoongchristopherchang7394 5 жыл бұрын

I’m adding my Rancho 3.5 inch sport lift for my sport JL, as well as the geometry bracket by Rancho. Do you think it would be a good idea to switch out my front track bar? After watching this video, if it does help a significant amount, I would highly consider changing my front track bar as well. Thoughts ?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I would recommend it especially being that you're installing this particular lift. Your axle will shift enough for it to be noticeable and you can use it to recenter it too.

@jiwoongchristopherchang7394 5 жыл бұрын

Wayalife I will consider that :) , do you have any other suggestions on anything else other than the Rancho geometry bracket, Rancho 3.5 sport lift (non rubicon), and front track bar.... not sure what I’m missing

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

@@jiwoongchristopherchang7394 Actually, I would recommend that you just get this kit amzn.to/2EucFGV

@acecalzadilla6878 5 жыл бұрын

I laugh when the JL first came out people were pointing out how beefy the new track bar was. Now they take it off and cut it in two and notice its nothing but a thin walled weak component. I hope toy take care of your death wobble problem. Best if luck

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Well, we weren't having "death wobble" but I'm with you on everything else. I was one of the guys who thought the JL components were actually beefy. Boy, was I wrong.

@greenlights1384 5 жыл бұрын

Add some caster. That's what fixed mine.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL! I guess you missed the part where the new track bar FIXED what we were feeling. Also, we're running a ProRock 44 and it has +6° of built in caster.

@greenlights1384 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife No. I watched the video. You said it was better. It still looked like it jumped a bit. I watched the ProRock 44 install, but I forgot about the extra caster with that Install. Glad it worked out for you. All I did was add 2 degrees of caster, and the wobble went away. Keep up the great videos.

@Plan36c 5 жыл бұрын

Do you think it could have been centering the axle that helped?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Nope. Not a chance. Because of how a solid axle and track bar work, your axle is technically ALWAYS a bit off one way or another depending on how much weight you have in your Jeep. The problem was definitely caused by the soft bushings of the other 2 track bars. Heck, the factory one almost looks like it's flexing.

@mrchams 4 жыл бұрын

Where can I get bolt torque setting for the JL?

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

You can get them on my forum here wayalife.com/showthread.php/52799-TORQUE-SPECS-JL-WRANGLER-Reference-Guide

@MARC11B 5 жыл бұрын

In the long run, wouldn't it be better to just install a complete steering upgrade? Steersmarts Yeti XD is an awesome setup.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL!! Maybe you should try watching to the END of the video and listen to what I say more carefully. As far as Steer Smarts go, talk to me again when your tie-rod ends wear out (because ALL joints eventually wear out) and you have to pay $200 a piece to have them replaced! No thanks.

@MARC11B 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife Wow dude! I watched the entire video. No need to get your pantys in a bunch. I just asked a question.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

@@MARC11B LOL - Wow dude! No need to get your panties in a bunch. I simply responded to you and even made sure to add in an "LOL" to indicate how I actually thought what you said was "funny". Look, I'll even add in a smile to help emphasize the point :)

@MARC11B 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife 🤣

@spurly48 4 жыл бұрын

I have the same wobble in my steering wheel now. I have the synergy track bar, drag link, and soon will have the tie rod. I can't seem to figure out where it's combing from.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Have you had your tires rebalanced? could be that

@spurly48 4 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife That's next on my list to check. They're brand new Ridge Grapplers with maybe 800 miles on them now. The wobble only started after I installed the Synergy lift.

@jamieeisenhower1560 Жыл бұрын

I'm getting a vibration on smooth highway roads what's that? Very faint but annoying. On a 2023 4xe

@wayalife Жыл бұрын

Hard to say for sure without having driven your Jeep. Could be something as simple as lug thumping from your tires. Being that you have a 2023, I would have your dealership give it a look.

@kimcaldwell6499 5 жыл бұрын

I have a 2017 JKU , with a 3.5 lift. Do you feel the Rancho track bars are as good or better than the Teraflex track bars ? I'm still running the stock bars and want to replace them. Thank you for any advice you can give me.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

What I can tell you is that I have personally seen several TeraFlex track bars break at the turnbuckle threads. I would NOT recommend one of them. If anything, I STILL run a factory track bar on my big built up JK running 40's

@kimcaldwell6499 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife Thank you very much for your help. I'm still new to offroading, and I have a very limited budget. I'm careful about what I buy.

@jasonwilson9775 4 жыл бұрын

Is this before or after you did the synergy steering install?

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Before

@Garth2011 5 жыл бұрын

I'm no expert but, it seems the front "track"would want to be measured center of the frame vs. the body fenders. Or in relation to the rear track center. Also, the track mount mounts on the left frame rail are known to be fairly weak as the welds and bracket are not all that sturdy for large tires/wheels.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

The track bar mount breaks that were reported on were an exception and not the rule. FCA has long since addressed it and there are plenty of people running 37's or even 40's on a JL and without any issues. Regarding track bars, they attach on one side of your Jeep and on the other side on your axle. Load up your Jeep with passengers, gear and a full gas tank and your axles will shift - to the passenger side up front and the driver side in the rear. Same is true if you completely unload your Jeep and remove the doors and hard top - your axles will shift the other way. It's just the nature of the beast when it comes to solid axles and track bars and there's NEVER a dead center. And really, it doesn't even matter.

@Garth2011 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife Interesting. I wonder how FCA does their ground work for setting up the front axle in relation to the rear. Thanks.

@StormbornJKU 5 жыл бұрын

I would have assumed you’d know to stray away from rough country. Idk why you didn’t go with rancho from the get go considering you run a lot of other rancho parts.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL - Back when we were first feeling this problem, Rancho didn't have anything available at the time. We bought the Rough Country track bar because it was and was cheap enough that we thought it might be worth testing out.

@chrishunt5291 5 жыл бұрын

Did you have the RC track bar on video of it moving in the bushings. I replaced my factory one with the RC that you took off. I did see the factory moving in the bushing but did not see it move with the RC.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Look a little closer. You can see it moving a bit and it could be felt as well. Either way, just sharing what we experienced. You can take it for what it's worth.

@chrishunt5291 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I was just asking you if you had the RC moving on video. I would of liked to have seen it.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

@Chris Hunt turn on your volume, I specifically state where I'm testing things out. Here's where you see the RC track bar moving kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebCYgdyoyZmYqnk.html

@xzerbaluyot9994 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video! Eddie what's your take on the Duroflex bushing by Metalcloak?

@chrishunt5291 5 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife that is bad ,I turned up.my volume, if I ever get that wobble I'll try the Rancho. I felt a huge difference in weight between the stock and RC. How about between the RC and the Rancho.

@mikerobbins5049 5 жыл бұрын

I am beginning to experience the shimmy/shake on my JLUR and its still at stock height and stock tires.

@davidwitcher5443 5 жыл бұрын

Check for play in the track bar bushings.

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

@Mike Robbins being stock will not exempt you from experiencing problems like what you see in this video. As mentioned, I would start by looking at your track bar for loose bolts or worn out bushings.

@mikerobbins5049 5 жыл бұрын

Wayalife I plan on doing a 2” lift and 35’s or 37’s this summer after I get my Fed taxes figure pd. So track bars seem to have just been added to the build list...

@MafiaHitmanX4 5 жыл бұрын

My jk does this too, will this be the same? Or should I try rotating my tires?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

I would start by checking your track bar bolts to make sure they're tightened to 125 ft. lbs. of torque. If they are and you're still running a factory track bar, it's most likely good. I would give your ball joints and unit bearings a look as they are typically suspect on a JK.

@larrywebster 4 жыл бұрын

I just installed a 3.5" lift on my JLU and i get a similar vibration in the wheel at 40-45mph. i am running beadlocks with beads that the shop put in there. I was planning on swapping the factory track bar first, then the sector shaft brace, then the steering stabilizer. is it possible that the damn beads in the tires are the issue? the guy at that shop put 2 full bags in each tire, and I am running them at 30psi. it seemed to get a bit better when i lowered the tire pressure, but it's still there, nothing as violent as yours in the video though.

@wayalife 4 жыл бұрын

Being that you just installed your lift and I assume bigger tires, I would get your tires rebalanced before spending any money on other things.

@larrywebster 4 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife I know Beads are considered snake oil, and that stick weights are the best option, do you think they could cause that sort of issue? thx!

@jaymannful 5 жыл бұрын

Do you think the 37's and lift caused the issue or should I expect the same thing on my stock JL Rubicon?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

I know plenty of people who've been experiencing this problem on their stock JL's.

@tednewcomb1048 5 жыл бұрын

My stocker 18 JL 2door is doing it some

@CHR884 5 жыл бұрын

Did you install this today? I would assume no. If not is the track bar still fixing the wobble issue or has any come back?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

LOL - no, this was filmed a while back, still catching up on all our videos. The wobble we had has NOT come back.

@CHR884 5 жыл бұрын

Nice. Glad that it is working out for ya.

@travisdansereau8274 5 жыл бұрын

Did it start after you put the bigger lift kit on?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

No. For us, this started back in August of last year. Right after a run up the Rubicon. We installed our taller lift in October.

@ebaluyot7793 3 жыл бұрын

How fast were you going when you hit the potholes?

@wayalife 3 жыл бұрын

About 40 mph

@250gto9 5 жыл бұрын

Is the Rough Country track bar hollow or solid?

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

Solid with bonded rubber bushings.

@jermur8053 3 жыл бұрын

Off the subject here but what radio are you using and how is it mounted?

@wayalife 3 жыл бұрын

You mean my CB Radio? If so, I've got an old Cobra 29 and I've got it mounted using one of these kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brBddqiK3tmlhI0.html

@jermur8053 3 жыл бұрын

@@wayalife correct, the CB Radio. Thanks man!

@Chepeoffroad 5 жыл бұрын

Couple days that I installed and still getting a wobble at 40-48 mph

@wayalife 5 жыл бұрын

That's a bummer. The whole point of this video was to show what we did to fix what we were feeling. Apparently, you've got something else going on. Perhaps bad ball joints or something like it.