Jeff Durbin Answering 'The Problem of Evil'

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Apologia Studios

10 жыл бұрын

Christian pastor, apologist, and host of Apologia Radio, Jeff Durbin, answers the question regarding 'The Problem of Evil' at Scottsdale Community College.
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@ApologiaStudios
@ApologiaStudios Жыл бұрын
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@kacejohnson4099
@kacejohnson4099 2 жыл бұрын
That one one of the most beautiful and clear presentations of the gospel I've heard! Praise the Lord! She seemed so humble and kind, I hope God will work in her life to save her!
@NickOtis0707
@NickOtis0707 Жыл бұрын
I agree I hope the Lord will work in her life too that the Lord will guide other people in her life to help her out. Did you know angels can disguise their self as humans but there are different angels that look weird.
@stinkylovecake
@stinkylovecake Жыл бұрын
@@NickOtis0707 weird means supernatural,so yes
@scottt.1526
@scottt.1526 7 жыл бұрын
wow man. I have been watching your videos and you have helped me, tremendously, understand some things that I had questions to. thank you so much, and glory to God for helping you explain things so well.
@daviddriscollservantofJesus
@daviddriscollservantofJesus 6 жыл бұрын
exactly
@huunguyen584
@huunguyen584 7 жыл бұрын
Don't know how people can say anything bad about Jeff, when this guy lives out what he says. He loves people without expecting anything in return. He helps people come out of drug addictions. Helps girls who almost aborted their baby. He's there for people who got rejected and broken down. Before you think of anything bad to say about this guy. Take a look at your own life and see what you've done lately.
@evanobrien9712
@evanobrien9712 5 жыл бұрын
I concure.
@fusomann
@fusomann 4 жыл бұрын
i only wish i would have soo much love and humility like Jeff is, he is a deff. a role model for me
@hippyhor3513
@hippyhor3513 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jacinths94
@jacinths94 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously!! Amen!
@conradical41
@conradical41 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, he’s a prick...condescending and presumptive
@jacinths94
@jacinths94 4 жыл бұрын
Wow... Praise Jesus!! He experienced suffering WITH US and still calls us for a relationship with Him! Thank you for that Jeff!
@tommybeatz4678
@tommybeatz4678 4 жыл бұрын
Jacinth Sabado amen🙏🏻❤️
@albertjames804
@albertjames804 3 жыл бұрын
the way she is so attentive, she ACTUALLY has an open mind, unlike the people who claim they do, when they actually don't. So many athiests or agnostics claim to be open-minded but as soon as you start making sense with the reasoning we use for explaining things, they push back and start accusing. They dont want to listen because they dont want to accept that God exists.
@robertknight3354
@robertknight3354 3 жыл бұрын
Jeff has an amazing GOD given ability to really pull the tears out for this Lord we have. He sums these things up powerfully and that is bestowed by God. This Lord of ours is beyond great and limitless in his amazing power.
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
This brought tears to my eyes.
@zandrello
@zandrello 7 жыл бұрын
I know this was 3 years ago, but I just discovered Jeff and his videos, and wow, life changing stuff. I love your ministry, thank you for serving to the Glory of God. I know it's been awhile, and I don't know where these 2 College students are now (I saw the male student in another video just before this one), but I just prayed for them. I pray that through Jeff, they saw the love of Christ, I pray that God reveals himself to them, and that they pursue him and accept his Grace and Love. I truly care about them, just as Jeff does, and I pray they are saved. Thank you again Jeff for your ministry and your intelligent battle for the Gospel!
@specialk7715
@specialk7715 7 жыл бұрын
God Bless You Jeff 😊😊
@royficek1425
@royficek1425 2 жыл бұрын
I love the part where Jesus lived and suffered among us! We also are imputed His perfect life by faith through grace. He is imputed our sin on Himself on the cross which He suffers and dies for. THE GREAT EXCHANGE is awesome!
@jmesey203
@jmesey203 5 жыл бұрын
That is probably one of the most important things I could hear that helps the sovereignty of God. You said,” God does not take in knowledge.” That right there blows salvation by works, or the fact that what we decide to do, or even if we are good and obedient to get into heaven like other religions teach, and even denominations within Christianity, out of the water.
@steadyarm
@steadyarm 5 жыл бұрын
Saving one life at a time....for eternity.
@khaibernate
@khaibernate Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing
@newygreek
@newygreek 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice dialog there Jeff. :)
@jimmyintheswamp
@jimmyintheswamp 3 жыл бұрын
8:28 Jeff's statement of the kerygma is goosebump inducing.
@gwengwen4535
@gwengwen4535 3 жыл бұрын
I’m flowing some flames on this one!!!🔥🔥🔥
@weschaffin
@weschaffin 5 жыл бұрын
One leading narrative that comes from Jeff’s videos is the it’s truly sad at how many lost people that are out there.
@van-michaelgraves1456
@van-michaelgraves1456 Жыл бұрын
I wish to learn and spread of His word, the truth, to His people, and to His sons, for His glory.
@chrissy1310
@chrissy1310 2 жыл бұрын
Just Awesome!
@nickjones5435
@nickjones5435 Жыл бұрын
Errr in what way was that PITIFUL dishonest video awesome??
@J.F.331
@J.F.331 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic conversation!
@franciscoramirez6075
@franciscoramirez6075 5 жыл бұрын
underground0331 perhaps the stupidest comment in this whole tread
@J.F.331
@J.F.331 5 жыл бұрын
Francisco Ramirez Says the person who doesn’t capitalize the first letter of a sentence, uses the improper form of the word stupid, misspells the word thread and uses no punctuation whatsoever 🤔😂
@followthepinkline
@followthepinkline 5 жыл бұрын
At 5:29 a fellow interjects "God saves by grace or by works? Jeff answered his direct question with a direct answer, Jeff said "grace, yes by grace, not by works." I'd like to add to that: We are saved by Gods grace but not by His grace alone we must also have faith. We cannot earn our way to heaven through our works alone. Faith is a requirement. Therefore we must have faith inorder to receive Gods grace. I'm only elaborating on Jeff's point just in case anyone else like myself was confused. God bless you, carry on♡
@starskystar
@starskystar 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed and interestingly enough they are both gifts given by God. Ephesians 2:8
@deedoo7971
@deedoo7971 3 жыл бұрын
I also used to feel a need to try and get God off the hook although my spirit testified that God is in complete control. I stopped trying take away Gods sovereignty by removing Him from the occurrences in my life and the world that I don’t like.
@kacejohnson4099
@kacejohnson4099 2 жыл бұрын
I get what you mean, but that isn't right either. Trying to get God off of the hook is bad, but so is saying he doesn't control what is happening, which is seemingly what is going on when you say you took him out if the things you dont like. I say this humbly but please heed what I said!
@RR-et6sh
@RR-et6sh 5 жыл бұрын
The Jews said they would accuse Pilate of being "no friend of Ceasar," that is what put the fear in Pilate. That is a very serious charge in Roman law.
@mathias5171
@mathias5171 7 жыл бұрын
Ravi Zacharias has some of the best sermons on evil.
@bboyg1
@bboyg1 3 жыл бұрын
Any chance you can link them? I'll do research on my end but it would be a great help if you can link whatever you know of.
@mathias5171
@mathias5171 3 жыл бұрын
bboyg1 just search for Ravi Zacharias problem of evil. Can’t go wrong
@megamania8370
@megamania8370 3 жыл бұрын
Not anymore.
@AustinGonder
@AustinGonder 3 жыл бұрын
That didn’t age well
@jonnyrockout
@jonnyrockout 3 жыл бұрын
@@AustinGonder loooool
@mykingofkings1439
@mykingofkings1439 6 жыл бұрын
How would we ever know a crooked line unless we first had a straight line to compare it with!! The same is true with evil how would we know evil unless we first know good to compare it with, evil cannot exist without good but good can exist without evil...evil is a lack of good just like darkness cannot exist without light because darkness is just a lack of light...evil is a twisting of good. The fact that we know a standard of good and we do compare leads us to ask... where did this standard come from? its within each one of us, not just some but all. It's definitely not a response to feeling pain because take this example... if a man accidentally trips you and you really injury your knee although we are in pain, we don't get angry with him but if a man deliberately tries to trip you but he misses... you get angry with him... much more angry than when you were in physical pain!! we would say "you shouldn't of done that".. why?? Because when we ask this we're appealing to a standard that we believe and act like everyone knows it and that's why we hold each other accountable, when we know someone is breaking this law against us or others it makes us unhappy and angry!! You will also noticed that when someone gets held accountable for breaking it....they will rarely admit to "intentionally" breaking this law, instead they will list off the reasons to why they have broken it, a bad mood, life or work problems stress, kids so on... they will try to justify why they have broken it because they will feel guilty they will know themselves that's why you are angry because they knew. When we do wrong we want to avoid being personally responsible for it....it's not us being intentionally bad it's always other reasons which make us do it!! ... but the very interesting thing is we have no problem taking responsibility for our good actions, when we keep the moral law we don't say "this helped me to be good or this is the reason I'm good" .. we don't make excuses to why we do good....instead we happily credit that to ourselves and nothing else, nothing helped us to be good and keep the law but something always makes is break it!! funny that... This just shows that deep inside all of us, we were made to be good, to want to do good and stop and avoid evil, we all know this law and we know we shouldn't break it, we hate admitting when we have blaming everything but ourselves but we love when we keep it and taking full credit for ourselves when we do.
@michelledsouza2258
@michelledsouza2258 5 жыл бұрын
King of Kings excellent
@lindaholly4918
@lindaholly4918 7 жыл бұрын
You can't kill Jesus, because he willingly gave himself.
@globe255
@globe255 7 жыл бұрын
There has never been a Jesus, it is all fantasy. Please wake up!
@lindaholly4918
@lindaholly4918 7 жыл бұрын
+globe255 So, you must disregard all the historians that have confirmed the historical person of Jesus. Even agnostic historian Bret Ehram is quoted as saying; " there is more evidence for Jesus then any other historical person during that time period."
@Batboy121000
@Batboy121000 7 жыл бұрын
So out of all the books people have written back then on the works on Jesus are fake? The Dead Sea Scrolls? Evidence of prophets taking about his birth centuries before he was born?
@globe255
@globe255 7 жыл бұрын
Batboy121000 There is no evidence for any of it, it is pure fiction.
@Batboy121000
@Batboy121000 7 жыл бұрын
globe255 Are you dense?
@CameronMast
@CameronMast 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible
@Sundayschoolnetwork
@Sundayschoolnetwork 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this video!
@Sundayschoolnetwork
@Sundayschoolnetwork 5 жыл бұрын
@Nick Jones what are you talking about?
@Sundayschoolnetwork
@Sundayschoolnetwork 5 жыл бұрын
@Nick Jones refresh my memory. And my name is Sarah. I'm happy to discuss anything with you. Can you do so without insults?
@Sundayschoolnetwork
@Sundayschoolnetwork 5 жыл бұрын
@Nick Jones I understand the definition of evil. What I'm asking you is, where does your moral understanding of evil come from? I'm not evading your question. You seem to think you know what a Christian believes, and understand the Scriptures. Why do you call it evil? Says, who? I'm happy to discuss this with you.
@aprilmarie4395
@aprilmarie4395 7 жыл бұрын
That was GREAT!
@adrianmaderal6020
@adrianmaderal6020 7 жыл бұрын
witnessing Jesus..
@jaydee1993
@jaydee1993 4 жыл бұрын
Remember, Jesus used parables, because they are concise, you cannot argue with a parable, and they get to the heart of the issue. Jeff did well, but lets try an analogy. If I have a child, and I know everything that my child will do, I am not responsible for their actions, I am however responsible for what I do in light of what I know. If God sent his Son to die on the cross, if He has written the moral law in our hearts (given us a conscience), and put hidden messages throughout all of nature (the earth revolves around the sun / life revolves around God's Son, etc.), then He has taken the appropriate actions of a responsible father. This is why so many people with a rebellious spirit want to deny Jesus, because they want to claim that God hasn't done what God has done by being responsible, so that they can deny their own responsibility for their own actions. "Men love darkness" the Bible says, and rightfully so, because in the face of responsibility we cower, but in the light of what Christ has done for us we rise. It is not in our nature to rise, therefore God died on a cross to send us a new nature, to plant His nature into our hearts, that in him we might have everlasting life. Trust in God, and believe on him, and He will reward your trust with his grace and with an abundance of love that abounds so much so that it overcomes death itself. God bless.
@EmmaTheHurdler
@EmmaTheHurdler 2 жыл бұрын
can you write a book on that concept of the most evil thing humans have ever done?
@JacobOfJedi
@JacobOfJedi 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, Just curious if you have any videos/material about old earth vs young earth? And are christians wrong or right for believing one or the other? I so glad i found this channel
@SamFriesen
@SamFriesen 3 жыл бұрын
This isn’t specifically what you were wondering but answersingenesis.org has lots of really good young earth view videos and articles.
@bpaudert
@bpaudert 3 жыл бұрын
It is a significant issue, but indirectly. The earth’s age itself isn’t that important but how you understand creation came to be, is. www.icr.org/
@smokingcrab2290
@smokingcrab2290 2 жыл бұрын
The "young" earth theory dictates the earth is 6000 years old. This is not young by any means. 6000 years is a long time. Keep that in mind.
@JacobOfJedi
@JacobOfJedi 2 жыл бұрын
@@smokingcrab2290 6,000 years is old, but compared to 4.5 billion year old earth, 6,000 yrs is quite young geologically speaking. My initial question was if Jeff had any materials/debates on Christians who believe in a 4.5 billion year old earth but also align with many things jeff aligns with, are the Christians who believe in old earth (geologically speaking), are they heathens? In an older video i seen of Jeff, he said he felt like a heathen when he started to not believe in a rapture, this is how i feel about old vs young earth
@jaredrichards7094
@jaredrichards7094 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus Is Lord
@tommybeatz4678
@tommybeatz4678 4 жыл бұрын
Jared Richards Jesus is Lord
@DonswatchingtheTube
@DonswatchingtheTube 5 жыл бұрын
Evil is the question that asks, what if God wasn't how he is? The answer is he dies because that is the defining opposite of who he is. What we experience is the nature of that question and the ramifications of such a contradiction that God by nature exists and lives versus a dead God. All of creation is affected by it, animate and inanimate because it's not about willing it, but the nature of it.
@CoachDChapman
@CoachDChapman 3 жыл бұрын
But in a deterministic Christian world view like Calvinism - how do you appeal to God to condemn what He has meticulously carried out - which includes (according to Calvinist, rape and child molestation etc)? If God makes sure rape happens who is the Calvinist to say it's evil or wrong? Does God do wrong?
@History_MadeMe_Catholic
@History_MadeMe_Catholic Жыл бұрын
The human race designed with expectancy for fair-play.. yet enmity reigns. . .
@danielroot8872
@danielroot8872 7 жыл бұрын
well said jeff. well said.
@keywestconchchroniclescons4585
@keywestconchchroniclescons4585 3 жыл бұрын
Jonah 3:10 The Bible specifically States God is capable of evil how and why is that fit in with my Judaic Christian belief structures
@michaelbartholomew1358
@michaelbartholomew1358 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds cliche but, there can't be good without have evil to measure it against. If freewill exist there must be a choice. What good is freewill without a choice of right and wrong? God giving us choice doesn't make him responsible for our wrong choices. He gave us a conscience to know the difference and he gave us a fear of evil. What more could he do? Do we not feel good when we do good? Do we not feel bad when we do wrong and when others do wrong? Do we not do the same for our children and hope they choose right?
@mostafahassan6909
@mostafahassan6909 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. A few comments as a Muslim on where we would agree/disagree: 1. The explanation of predestination given here, that God is in perfect control of all things including our actions while simultaneously not forcing us to do things against our will, is surprisingly identical to what we believe. Seems to me living in America that most Christians don't understand this, but nevertheless I can't agree more with it. 2. Where I think there is complete disagreement is why there is suffering and evil in the world, as we don't acknowledge the idea of original sin in the first place, and saying that Adam, peace be upon him, sinning is the reason for suffering just begs the question as to why we would suffer as a consequence of something we had nothing to do with (in a loose sense you could say there is such a consequence, but according to God's justice and wisdom, there are other important reasons God allowed the consequences of Adam's actions to affect us). The primary purpose in Islam of suffering and tribulations in life is to test our firmness in faith and works in the face of such difficulties. It is also important to note that certain things are seemingly evil but in reality bring about goodness in the broader scheme of things we can't see (in fact, we wouldn't say that anything existing or being the way it is is truly fundamentally evil, because whatever evil it brings is balanced by some kind of benefit or goodness, according to God's wisdom). Evil is also a means of understanding good; you can't appreciate light without darkness. In fact, goodness would not even be virtuous without another possible path for us to take, so there would be no purpose of having Heaven or reward for it. Just some thoughts I pray people find interest and guidance from.
@kacejohnson4099
@kacejohnson4099 2 жыл бұрын
I pray to the Lord, that you know who Jesus truly is. He was not just a good man, because as He said, there is none good but God. In that verse he had a young man approach him and say "good teacher" but that's all he recognized Jesus as. Jesus did not let him do that however, because he said (like I wrote above) there is no one good but God. He was pointing out the inconsistency in the young mans thoughts about the Messiah! We have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. (Rom 3:23) we have all have rebellion in our heart against the Lord, and we all need to be reconciled to God. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father accept through him. (John 14:6) If you accept his grace through faith, and stop trying to earn your way to God, and turn and repent of your sins, the Lord will give you everlasting life!
@mostafahassan6909
@mostafahassan6909 2 жыл бұрын
@@kacejohnson4099 Jesus was none but a slave of the true Lord, the one who created the heavens and Earth in six days and rose upon His throne. How can you claim He incarnated into His creation? He is above all and none is above Him, He is free from all deficiency and fallibility, and He is not a man. We are saved by God's mercy, which is shown to those who believe in Him. Faith is a belief in the heart plus actions based upon that; otherwise we could claim Satan is the biggest believer! Read the book of James in the New Testament; you will find similar concepts there. There is no such thing as not trying to earn God's pleasure; though we cannot without His mercy, it is a condition of having sound faith to strive to do good and avoid evil, and to repent of our sins, not that someone comes and dies for us and suddenly the biggest criminal and most righteous person are equal in faith. Impossible; we must strive, and will be judged accordingly.
@drachdelcr4702
@drachdelcr4702 2 жыл бұрын
Nahh your qu ran is false and your prophet muhammad is a pedophile and he’s dead
@ragoosixtythree9977
@ragoosixtythree9977 7 жыл бұрын
If man has "choice" why do you pray for your unsaved loved one? Why do you ask God to break down the walls of your loved ones heart and save him/her? Isn't that equivalent to you taking someone hostage? If your loved one "chooses" not to be saved, why would you ask God to get interfere with someone's choice? Asking God to "elect" someone who is spiritually blind.
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
Ragoo Sixtythree - If you see a man who’s fallen in a river, you wouldn’t throw him a life jacket? Hopefully the man will grab it, especially if the river will eventually kill him.
@YoxxSHIxx
@YoxxSHIxx 4 жыл бұрын
So they don't burn in hell
@davidplummer2619
@davidplummer2619 2 жыл бұрын
How can anyone choose if no choice is offered? All our decisions are affected by countless influences -- whether physical environment, individual personality, external circumstances, someone praying for us to be saved, God directly intervening through those who pray for us or you name it. That doesn't mean our choiceisn't real. In fact, choice is possible ONLY IF there are all these influences. Otherwise there is nothing to choose.
@joshjeggs
@joshjeggs 7 жыл бұрын
Appealing to free will does not place a standard outside God. That's like saying that there is a standard outside god if he can't destroy the earth with a global flood again.
@carryyourcross6787
@carryyourcross6787 3 жыл бұрын
God’s had enough of his Godless children and churches being silent to the destruction of the vulnerable babies children and elderly ❤️✝️🙏
@PilgrimNinja
@PilgrimNinja 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean God has had enough? Is He sitting by idle and being frustrated? Or does He still govern the Universe?
@fatabert77
@fatabert77 6 жыл бұрын
What's so great about him his just outreaching for Christ no biggie
@funkchurches
@funkchurches Жыл бұрын
“Evil” is a term used to describe intentional manipulation that results in the empowerment of one individual at the cost of another. It exists apart from god. It is a human term.
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
Her eyes seemed very telling. It’s as if Jeff you were led there for her alone. Of course I don’t know that but I think you know what I mean.
@albertjames804
@albertjames804 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah of course he does, I mean i can see it...the way she is so attentive, she ACTUALLY has an open mind, unlike the people who claim they do, when they actually don't.
@lanceunarajaeu9397
@lanceunarajaeu9397 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff > 55 minute video discussing the problem of evil.
@joelunruh6534
@joelunruh6534 3 жыл бұрын
I cant see anyone disliking this video.
@mremberton7919
@mremberton7919 5 жыл бұрын
Here is something for ya. Remember 1tim 3 15-16 and 2 Tim 3 15-17
@funstuff81girl
@funstuff81girl 6 жыл бұрын
Free will and sovereignty must be balanced. Must be balanced. We have free will, we know it intuitively. We make the choices we want to make, we live according to our whims. To deny the presence of our own free will is disingenuous. God is beyond, he can be sovereign among and above our choices. He weaves his will precisely, and yet the devil roams. Yet man chooses evil. Our evil is our responsibility. One could look at any individual event and say, God could've stopped that reasonably, but all of them, for all of them to cease, we'd all have to be taken from the earth. We'd all have to be destroyed, or perfected. That's called the judgment day. Until then he allows our evil. He also foreknew our evil. Somehow it was part of his plan. It's also a demonstration of his love. And he works through all these awful things, not one action more choice of man can abate his purposes, because he created them, he knew what they would do, he designed them. So man's choices are fully responsible for sin. God is also fully in control. Sovereignty means God can do anything, is in control, it doesn't mean that everything is God's doing.
@calebr9058
@calebr9058 7 жыл бұрын
My problem with predestination is that we as humans. Have been given a choice by God to choose him. God does not bring us to him without us choosing him of our own volition. So while i agree with most of what Jeff says this is where our opinions differentiate.
@SkiesVibrant
@SkiesVibrant 7 жыл бұрын
Caleb, I think you misunderstand. There is nothing in the New Testament that claims men have free will. Rather it teaches that God chooses the elect before the foundation of the world. John 6:44 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. There it is, no one CAN come to me unless the father draws him. God Bless you Caleb.
@johnash2778
@johnash2778 7 жыл бұрын
SkiesVibrant
@joestitch7416
@joestitch7416 7 жыл бұрын
+skiesvibrant your understanding of God's character is a bit black and white. 5 point Calvinism makes God a tyrant who is disingenuous with his emotions against people apposing His will. Please balance out your theology and restore God's ultimate character which is love. True love is an offer of genuine opportunity for people to come to Him.
@ericspeight4361
@ericspeight4361 7 жыл бұрын
All do respect Joe, 5 point Calvinism understood properly, in no way makes God out to be a tyrant. If I had had time (which I don't), I could explain what I mean by using Scripture. To be sure, when looked at with the wrong perspective (ours), rather that God's perspective. We may think things like the Reformed doctrine of election, or Totally Depravity are not fair. Which was the case with me, for a few years even after I was convinced that the Reformed doctrines of Total Depravity and election are biblical. Yet, looking at the matter while firmly taking our eyes off ourselves and onto God. The applicable passages of Scripture shed light into our hearts and we see things in a new light. I think in my case as I was reading Romans 9, the words in verse from verses 20 and 21 hit me hard and I felt ashamed of myself. I will say one thing however, I have no interest in debating the issue. Mainly because in most cases in the past, it proved unfruitful and I had to fight my own pride. For a time, I became graceless forgetting the grace God showed me. There is a reason why the 5 points of Calvinism are called "the doctrines of grace". (which is what I prefer to call them.)
@rustyshadow7
@rustyshadow7 6 жыл бұрын
SkiesVibrant THE CROSS IS FOR EVERYONE!
@hiddenrambo328
@hiddenrambo328 2 жыл бұрын
Adam & Eve sinned fell they were punished punishment effects all creation, God loves them so he punishes them and doesn't just erase them this is A). We suffer because of A) we also exist because of A) if we remove suffering we remove us we are technically evil be glad we are allowed to exist also be glad God has a redemptive plan for us to save us to better us.
@dominicjace5013
@dominicjace5013 2 жыл бұрын
I hope she got saved or believes in the lord
@CoachDChapman
@CoachDChapman 3 жыл бұрын
"He declares the end (of what)? from the beginning (of what?)" This verse doesn't say he predetermines everything - it concludes with God will do all his pleasure. Is he pleased with the death of the wicked (That Calvinist believe he predetermines?) God says he is not pleased with the death of the wicked..but wants them to repent. He would rather they repent.
@kacejohnson4099
@kacejohnson4099 2 жыл бұрын
I would say the view about Calvinist believing god predetermines those who deny Christ is not quite accurate. God knows everything, he knows who will and who won't accept him. The difference and the view that Calvin held was that God regenerates a person before they can accept him. He doesn't do that to everyone, he leaves some people to do what they want, to act according to their will, which is always evil. I don't think that makes him unloving, if he chooses not to save everyone, and leave some people to their will of sin and death! Saying all of this with love, wanting you to know the truth, and the view of Calvinist more accurately! God bless!
@CoachDChapman
@CoachDChapman 2 жыл бұрын
"People say, Oh, God didn't or doesn't want that to happen" - That's because Jeff - God himself already said there are things He doesn't want to happen, (that he is against what you claim He is for "For a morally sufficient reason") (even fights against, gets emotional about, angry, etc, even denies He did them) but they do happen... How? Because He allows a measure of freedom so that love can be experienced. When God says "I don't/did not want that to happen" or "I wanted that to happen but it didn't" - Jeff, What do you say back to him? "you don't need to try and get yourself off the hook, God"? There is no such thing as God doing "Morally" sufficient evil. Are you saying God could rape, murder, molest children (basically go against his own nature outlined in the bible) and that it would be righteousness? "I have a righteous reason for doing the things I say I'm against, abhor, fight against and claim wasn't me" Why would God lie about the wickedness you claim he does, by denying it in scripture? And how do you explain Jesus saying that he did not have to go to the cross the way it was planned and unfolding? The cross was decreed before God created right? - "I could call on 12 legions of angels and my father WOULD send them" (to his rescue) but if he did - He says, "how then would scripture be fulfilled that says it must go this way".
@dannychapman2758
@dannychapman2758 3 жыл бұрын
Does God sin? Planning evil or calamity against wicked ppl is not a sin. If he decreed all things that includes the very sin God fights against and claims he himself abhors. The cross which was a rescue mission by the triune God isn’t the same as raping a chid and shouldn’t be compared to it.
@Whatsisface4
@Whatsisface4 4 жыл бұрын
The unfounded assumption here is that without God people don't care.
@reformedchristian7751
@reformedchristian7751 4 жыл бұрын
No, not true. Jeff is saying without God, people have no reason or basis to justify caring for others and to determine if caring is actually a good or bad thing.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 4 жыл бұрын
God: don't worry about the vase Us: what vase?
@RealwithAida
@RealwithAida 4 жыл бұрын
DogeLife matrix lol wow
@hippyhor3513
@hippyhor3513 4 жыл бұрын
Scary movie 3? Lol
@enki9243
@enki9243 6 жыл бұрын
The concept of "sin" is introduced in biblical mythology when St. Moses pens the Pentateuch, before that time all stories, epics, legends are either Cuneiform or orally circulate. But, the idea of evil which in Christian terms relates to sin, is that the concept existed in many pre Israelite cultures, before the nomadic Israelite's from Canaan emerged.
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
Enki - so you believe that rape and murder are just relative terms. In that case I’m very glad not to know you. However I’m pretty sure your conscience would disagree with your implied assertions.
@OkieAllDay
@OkieAllDay 3 жыл бұрын
The best argument against evil is that people have a free will to do evil or good and that is why in the Bible when people do evil God punishes them and when they do good God blesses and praises them. Unfortunately Calvinists do not think humans have a free will, and this becomes a problem not only with regards to salvation, but also with regards to the problem of evil
@conseated3616
@conseated3616 6 жыл бұрын
Adam and Eve needed to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was part of his plan. This caused them too develop a conscience so the wheels were now in motion. Before that they lived in blissful ignorance and would have had no idea what death entailed. With evil now in the world they could now see what good really was.And the process of God making them in his image had began. The true meaning of 'Image' is character , God is giving us his character and this could never have happened in the Garden of Eden before the fall.Jesus is the first too be given this character and then the Begotten sons of God . Most Christians dont realise that Evil was very necessary for Gods plan. He's creating a family with his character whom he can have an equal relationship with and give the keys too the kingdom too. And Christ was the beginning of this and us after.
@badlogicdetector8106
@badlogicdetector8106 3 жыл бұрын
If God created the brains of Adam and Eve, that would mean He controls how they think and behave. This would mean God is responsible for the fall by programing them to sin!
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
May not be relevant, but when talking about Jesus, the fact that he was crucified and died, because of who he was/is and what he did is interesting because if he say, came to the United States of America now, he would have his _freedom_ to practice his religion without penalty by law. Of course, that isn't in the prophecy that one day there will be a nation where all belief is protected by the government, and that religions may be practiced without the punishment of death. He wouldn't get crucified today, and I'm sure many would come out to see his miracles. I don't know how his appearance then was better than a modern visit now, but it appears the timing was right fit the prophecy as he knew that this who spoke I'll of him would kill him.
@jeffersonfriguglietti1889
@jeffersonfriguglietti1889 5 жыл бұрын
God isn't here to make you feel better or happy he isn't here for you, stop acting like God owes you something he's God. Stop telling people God is here for you, we are here for him
@Zomfoo
@Zomfoo 2 жыл бұрын
Durbin is a Calvinist. In his view God did not merely allow evil acts, but positively causes them. His theodicy consists of “God did it,” it being everything.
@matthaschanged
@matthaschanged 2 жыл бұрын
God is not the one who works evil in the hearts of men, not one Calvinist believes that
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
Did she ever come to follow JESUS? She was in the classroom then outside.
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
I hope someone from Apologia can answer.
@sirajaxl
@sirajaxl 3 жыл бұрын
She’s actually in another video, and Jeff is trying to convince her that the earth is 6000 years old, and that the ancestors of every human and animal on the planet today dispersed from a mountaintop in the Middle East 4500 years ago. She was far less accepting of this, and seemed to think he was crazy.
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
@@sirajaxl one reason that GOD gave us so many genealogies is to be able to trace back to Adam, the first human who was created by GOD. Through those genealogies it can be determined that the earth is a young earth. Around the 6000 year mark than the millions or billions that people come up with without any scientific evidence.
@sirajaxl
@sirajaxl 3 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc Yes, I understand. Biology, geology, and cosmology are much better explained by the old testament then they are within those scientific disciplines. In addition, linguistics are much better explained by the Tower of Babel.
@sirajaxl
@sirajaxl 3 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc And don’t get me started on the sons of Ham. I’ve never seen a better explanation for the human genetic differences we find in the regions of the world.
@windyday8598
@windyday8598 2 жыл бұрын
romans 1:18-32 would be a good answer for evil. it began in the garden. God will not force anyone into the kingdom of heaven.
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
Did Jesus know what it was like to see someone blind, deaf, disabled and/or sick and not be able to heal them, to have to rely on others to survive, to have questions unanswered, to be nothing more than human... It doesn't seem so.
@zanebradley143
@zanebradley143 2 жыл бұрын
Actually yes. He knows this more than anyone. He has seen the hypocrites who played a game of religion acted as if they were following the truth yet they didn't. And Jesus called this out and He was hated for standing up on truth. There were many people who He didn't heal because they didn't have faith in Jesus however those who did believe and had faith were healed.
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 2 жыл бұрын
@@zanebradley143 Not quite the same - there's a difference between being unable and being unwilling (in regards to the healing). Idk what the truth part had to do with what I said, I said Jesus lacked ignorance and didn't achieve everything through "human means".
@zanebradley143
@zanebradley143 2 жыл бұрын
@@BornOnThursday I mean yeah He is God. He hasn't ever failed. However He knows true affliction He was rejected and despised by His own people. He became sin on our behalf and was crucified upon a tree for our iniquities. Then He rose again on the third daly proving he is "I AM. All you have to do is repent and trust in Jesus Christ
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 2 жыл бұрын
@@zanebradley143 If he's never failed, then being rejected and despised was one of his goals and he achieved it as well as everything that led up to the moment he _became sin._ Rising from the dead doesn't necessarily equal being the Supreme God, just one that can return from death which could be a lot of things, especially if we don't know all that exists.
@patarikisoterion9899
@patarikisoterion9899 6 жыл бұрын
It is objectively true that she's cute!
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
Hercules mac - she’s very sweet, that’s for sure. Wish there were more like her.
@MiguelBaptista1981
@MiguelBaptista1981 4 жыл бұрын
She seems the "treasure for life" kindof person, so I hope she's blessed as sush.
@Bbrits1
@Bbrits1 4 жыл бұрын
This makes no sense. Please help me understand
@TruthinStore
@TruthinStore 3 жыл бұрын
The girl (Alexis) asked Pastor Jeff "Why does God allow evil?" He answered that question starting by saying without the Christian worldview you can't account for good or evil but God gives a solution for evil in Jesus. I'd suggest watching the video again and listening intently to what he is saying.
@ob2249
@ob2249 2 жыл бұрын
she`s standing there being unnecessarily polite, looking like she has classes to go to or at least somewhere else to be and she`s accosted by the campus bible basher. is this his M O ? ambush surprised undergraduates with rehearsed questions ? she`s like fuck this zealot is dull and tedious.
@CoachDChapman
@CoachDChapman 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus gave his life, no man took it from him. He played a part, willingly in his own crucifixion. It's false to say in a deterministic world view that God "allowed" others to do what was in their heart" In a Calvinist world view God put that in the heart and made sure they had a wicked heart - God makes the choices beforehand - "No maverick molecule". You can't say everything is predetermined - ALL and then pretend that doesn't include the very evil things God objects to when it happens.
@smokingcrab2290
@smokingcrab2290 2 жыл бұрын
Romans 11: 8 says "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day." And David says, "Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them; let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs forever." Romans 9 says God hardens whom he will harden and he shows mercy on whom he will show mercy.
@smokingcrab2290
@smokingcrab2290 2 жыл бұрын
There's vessels of mercy and then there's vessels of destruction (romans 9). Adam plunged all of us into this predicament. I think that when Adam was holy he truly had free will. But once he sinned he plunged all of humanity into pure corruption to where all they can choose is sin without the intervention of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. All who are not saved are given over to exactly what they want. And all who are saved are given what they want too. The only difference is it's God who changes our hearts and makes us want Him. "We love Him because he first loved us."
@dannychapman456
@dannychapman456 2 жыл бұрын
@@smokingcrab2290 That's not arbitrary - they were not walking with God so they were blinded to him when he came in the person of Christ. Jesus said if you had known my father you would have known me etc. They didn't know the father and so they didn't know him. Those that were walking with the father knew their messiah. This darkness is from their rebellion - Romans 1 "They didn't consider it worth while to retain God in their knowledge so HE gave them over..." (What is the consequences of rejecting light? - Darkness) And God shows mercy on those who fear him ( Psalms 103:13-14)- He hardens those that rebel - their rebellion hardens them. Cause and effect.
@mymyscellany
@mymyscellany 6 жыл бұрын
"I'm not here to play intellectual games" "I'm the one here who can call something evil" lol
@justinoliver2546
@justinoliver2546 6 жыл бұрын
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@IveSeenSupernatural
@IveSeenSupernatural 26 күн бұрын
Stop defending calvinism. Ppl hate that version of God and it leads ppl away from God.............
@zanykangaroo
@zanykangaroo 17 күн бұрын
Ppl will always hate the truth and run away from the truth... that doesn't mean we should stop preaching the truth
@soultourment
@soultourment 7 жыл бұрын
you maybe want to have a bible with you while your preaching but that's just me
@chrisseavey79
@chrisseavey79 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, you can bet there is a Bible close by. You can see in his other videos.
@wunnell
@wunnell 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know whether this guy doesn't understand the problem of evil or is dishonest but he answers this question like just about every apologist I've ever heard and it's not answer. If you start off by arguing that if there is no god then evil can't exist then you're missing the point completely. I hear many apologists express it by saying that we're borrowing from their worldview. No, we're not. You're missing the point, possibly on purpose. Let me explain. I'm an atheist. I don't think that a god exists. I don't think that evil exists objectively. When you tell me that evil cannot exist without a god, you're not telling me anything new. I already agree that without a god there is no objective evil. "Evil" is simply a label that we put on things that we really, really don't like. It's just another example of something that theists think is objective because they feel it very strongly. "Evil" is a term that is used rather vaguely but, if I had to define it, I'd probably go with something along the lines of doing something that you know is wrong for the enjoyment of it. The problem of evil specifically depends on a god. That bad things happen is not a problem for the consistency of a naturalistic worldview. That bad things happen is a problem for the consistency of a worldview that includes a triple-omni god. Of course, Christians blather about free will and that evil is necessary but that is clearly false. Basically, if you're arguing about a worldview without god on the subject of evil then you've already lost, because it's irrelevant.
@BScott7220
@BScott7220 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You're a voice of reason in this apologistic nonsense. I can't find any videos where the opposition really puts it like this to Durbin, unfortunately. What does pop up are 1) debates with very, very weak 'professional' atheists 2) street-preaching to agnostic civilians.
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm crazy but the Holacoast and slavery seem a little worse that one man who may or may not have existed got killed..
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
kyle watson - the fact that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life but was crucified more than a common thief is far more serious/outrageous than any other abomination perpetrated by evil. THINK about it. Perfect love/INNOCENCE persecuted by abject EVIL.
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
kyle watson - Jesus said what you do to the least of men you do it to me. Whatever happens to people happens to God since he lives within us by the Holy Spirit. And the Bible is not a science book, it’s a book intended to save us from false idols by bringing us into relationship with God.
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 6 жыл бұрын
jammin6816 lol, I'm sure your all in, but I'm sorry at this point in life after the things I've observed it just seems highly unlikely....And P.S. I would love for it to be proven otherwise...At least science has ways of testing it's theories...Religious text just say here believe this, it's true don't question...That just seems counter intuitive to the way the world works...u be great tho
@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
kyle watson - first off, God cannot be “proven” only known. Science (empirical knowledge) is a subset of truth, not the reverse. This means there’s a lot more truth than can be known scientifically. No one has ever seen the electron but we use electricity every day. If you say I won’t believe anything unless it’s scientifically proven then you literally couldn’t function because you couldn’t even be sure the sun would rise tomorrow. This approach is called “logical positivism” and even high profile atheists reject it. I grew up in a place that hates Christianity, so I had to swim upstream to find out if the Bible was worth the total alienation I would have to endure. I read the Bible at 17 and found that I could not deny its truth. I questioned virtually everything and that’s made my faith even stronger. I do not recommend following any religion without a healthy skepticism. Keep asking questions but do so with an honest heart and an open mind.
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 6 жыл бұрын
jammin6816 then sun dosent rise, the earth is either turning towards it or away from it relative to your position on earth....How can you know anything without evidence to support it??....Once again scientist took the time to study electrons...they didn't say believe this because I said so...I have an open mind, I can't say without a doubt there is no God, but to me it just seems highly unlikely based on evidence...So u believe all the people that have ever lived and died in the history of earth are in one of 2 places?? Regardless of whether religion was introduced in their life or not??? What does a baby who dies do to decide whether or not they go to heaven or hell?? How can you without a doubt tell other religions they are wrong??
@ronjones2266
@ronjones2266 7 жыл бұрын
Calvinism is very confusing.
@lightisgreaterthandarkness
@lightisgreaterthandarkness 6 жыл бұрын
Ron Jones It's also demonic... Durbin actually stated that God basically "plans" or otherwise "allows" evil which ultimately makes God Himself the author OF evil. Scripture CLEARLY states that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. I think we can all agree that evil falls under the category of "darkness" correct? Further... IF God were the author of every single action that every person commits, He cannot justly punish or reward somebody's disobedience/obedience as it was not from their own will the disobedience/obedience came from... Scripture states that God "sets before US life and death, blessing or cursing." Then He calls us to "choose life". Well, how can God call US to "make a choice" when it is actually HIM choosing FOR YOU and then condemning YOU for the choice *HE MADE* FOR YOU?! Absolutely ludicrous!
@Anna-mi7lo
@Anna-mi7lo 6 жыл бұрын
Guys, you need to learn so much more about the Bible before purporting to know ot
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 6 жыл бұрын
I can walk you through scripture that tells us that GOD has chosen who will spend eternity with HIM. Interested in finding out?
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 6 жыл бұрын
Light is greater than, I would caution about calling it demonic. The Doctrine of election as described by Calvinism is biblical and we know that scripture is inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT, so when you attribute it as a doctrine of demons you are flirting with blaspheming the HOLY SPIRIT.
@guasal12
@guasal12 5 жыл бұрын
Just repent and follow christ otherwise you go straight to hell
@marcusshan3553
@marcusshan3553 7 жыл бұрын
The problem with this is that Durbin has not justified his position that his particular theological perspective forms the only possible rational basis for morality. Presuppositional apologetics are deeply flawed. Even other Christian thinkers understand that. You cannot just start with the premise that you're right and then try to show why everyone else is inconsistent. That would only be the case if you were in possession of a finite set of propositions that were necessarily the only true propositions about reality. The fact is that there are too many possible propositions to arrive at some kind of necessarily complete and consistent set. That being said, even with his deeply flawed method of apologetics, Durbin is still typically able to dispatch his naturalist materialist opponents with ease. But I would say that says more about his opponent's complete philosophical illiteracy than it does about the arguments peculiar to his own position. I wager Durbin wouldn't know what to do if he were arguing with someone who actually had another metaphysical view aside from crass materialism.
@BScott7220
@BScott7220 4 жыл бұрын
@Kasai Samurai yes i'm beginning to see this in all the videos
@ziggityfriggity
@ziggityfriggity 5 жыл бұрын
According to Occam’s Razor, the solution to the problem of evil is the simplest one: no god.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 4 жыл бұрын
Then there is no evil.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 4 жыл бұрын
feel free to kill at will.
@Keynotes13
@Keynotes13 3 жыл бұрын
Bunch of assertions with no evidence typical Christian way
@AveChristusRex
@AveChristusRex 7 жыл бұрын
Calvanism strikes again...
@pwoods100
@pwoods100 6 жыл бұрын
Jeff always argues with people on the street. He should start hunting down real atheist debators like Sam Harris.........and get his ass kicked.
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
Harris, like Dawkins, Hitchens and others would have trouble with justifying morality. All atheist do.
@pwoods100
@pwoods100 3 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc No, we don't. Morality is directed by a collective - nature does certain things to make our brains react accordingly, and we have figured out over tens of thousands of years that maximizing human well being is the best choice. Anything that causes suffering or minimizes that state of well-being is considered not useful, or as we put it - wrong. If morality comes from a god, then you would have to ask what makes his nature any better than a human? If a god decides the rules, then how is that any different than a single human making the rules for everybody else on the planet? Where did god get his morality from? Hoe does it just so happen that one entity in the universe got so lucky to be a god, and everyone else just has to follow his rules? It doesn't make sense. Jeff Durbin has never been shown to debate with atheists who are educated and experienced. He's pulling the Ray Comfort trick - film the people on the street who are not prepared to give answers so it can make him look good. Bravo Jeff. I can guarantee, that if someone like Aaron Ra had a debate with Jeff on the street, Jeff's film crew wouldn't use the footage.
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwoods100 you said--Jeff Durbin has never been shown to debate with atheists who are educated and experienced. Type in Durbin’s name with debates and you will find an abundance of debates with highly intelligent atheist’s. That eliminates your statement and shows you do not do your homework. If morality is directed by the collective, as you state and there are 100 people that live in a community and 51 of them are against stealing that makes stealing wrong, according to your thought process. Now, 3 new people move into the community and they believe that stealing is ok which now makes it 52 to 51 that it’s ok to steal. Stealing is now ok in this community using the atheistic standard. Do you see the problem by not looking to the AUTHORITY who is outside of HIS created beings ?
@pwoods100
@pwoods100 3 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc I'm referring to Durbin's debates that he does with people on the street. Whoever is filming would never use footage where Jeff feels challenged, because that would make him look bad. He's like any other apologist - using fake intelligent answers to put a band aid over anything he can't really answer. He is after all calling for the death penalty for women who've had abortions............that's insane. Just because a few people in the minority think stealing is okay, doesn't mean that you can prove it's beneficial for maximizing human well-being. Have you ever known of a thief who wanted to be robbed? And plus, if your morality comes from a single god, then that begs the question where your god got his morality from. If he makes the rules for everyone just because he's god, then how is that any different then a single human making the rules for all other humans?
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc
@beautifulfeetpreachingsc 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwoods100 you said-He is after all calling for the death penalty for women who've had abortions............that's insane. Again, you have not done your homework. Go back and watch the vagina warrior video and you will hear him say that the death penalty will be for the rapist, not the woman who had the abortion. Just because a few people in the minority think stealing is okay, doesn't mean that you can prove it's beneficial for maximizing human well-being. Have you ever known of a thief who wanted to be robbed? And plus, if your morality comes from a single god, then that begs the question where your god got his morality from. If he makes the rules for everyone just because he's god, then how is that any different then a single human making the rules for all other humans?
@funtobedone
@funtobedone 6 жыл бұрын
Jeff makes is look hard to make sense out of information 100s of years out of date with our current knowledge and morals. Lots of word play and cognitive dissonance.
@globe255
@globe255 7 жыл бұрын
What a load of crap.
@wernerheisenberg4112
@wernerheisenberg4112 7 жыл бұрын
In your world-view it doesn't matter if something is a 'load of crap'.
@carterwood4197
@carterwood4197 7 жыл бұрын
And what world-view is that? Christians just can't comprehend that atheism isn't a 'world-view' and that it doesn't mean there's no hope, no morality, no anything. You don't even try to understand anything beyond your intellectual crutch of religion.
@wernerheisenberg4112
@wernerheisenberg4112 7 жыл бұрын
Carter Wood Would the word perspective suffice?
@carterwood4197
@carterwood4197 7 жыл бұрын
***** If not having the view "there is a god" counts as a perspective, then sure. I don't think "perspective" is really the best way to describe atheism though, unless one actively holds the belief "there is no god." Those who don't believe that god exists but also don't assert that there isn't a god don't have any "world-view" or "perspective" on the matter. They abstain from one.
@wernerheisenberg4112
@wernerheisenberg4112 7 жыл бұрын
My thought was that Atheism by making the claim, 'God doesn't exist' has some things that follow which would be considered 'Views' like... No Objective Morality, or no logical laws. Thus making it a Worldview
@dloseth4573
@dloseth4573 7 жыл бұрын
Yikes, painful to watch someone witness to someone who isn't saved while using Calvinist theology, I respect what you do Jeff and I enjoy watching a lot of your videos but where we disagree is concerning your Calvinist doctrine. I hope you see the truth one day in that, but being a Calvinist you are probably laughing at me saying that. Theres nothing more stomach turning then hearing Christians try to explain to non Christians that God has decreed everything that happens to have happened like that, a complete contradiction to the character of God and Christ.
@GameCrawler
@GameCrawler 7 жыл бұрын
Derek L Yeah it hurt to hear him say "God has a morally sufficient reason for the evil he plans" as if God planned for that girl to be gang raped or planned the holocaust. I agree with him that God knew and allowed these things to happen "(because we have free will to do evil and to sin) but not that God planned them.
@codythompson4593
@codythompson4593 6 жыл бұрын
I think you are not understanding what is meant by plans or decrees. If God had not decreed such things as what you said above, they never would have happened. I'm not a hard determinist but through God's own will he decreed such events. He is in control of evil. "I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things." Isaiah 45:7 CSB God bless
@andrewsaba81
@andrewsaba81 6 жыл бұрын
From what I can tell, it seems to me that all Jeff is doing is letting his appropriately, incredibly high view of God penetrate the rest of his thinking. If God is all-knowing, which He is, then of course He knew that someone would get raped, brutally tortured etc. God is never surprised, and nothing happens outside of His plan for His world. Now the problem comes when Scripture says we have free will. It's not one or the other when it comes to this. It is not "Either we choose to be saved, or we are only robots and God preprogrammed us to choose Him" , for example. Our God is not so powerless to be limited to just these two options! God super-logically reconciles His will of decree with our own free will to where a) He plans and knows EVERY event that takes place in the universe, and b) we are entirely responsible for our sins. If you tend to fall on one extreme of this, then your view of God is not high enough or your view of the weight of our sin is not high enough.
@Anna-mi7lo
@Anna-mi7lo 6 жыл бұрын
There are some truths in the Bible that can be tough to wrestle with because we don't necessarily like them. That does not make them incorrect or unclear.
@3926calvin3926
@3926calvin3926 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff take a step or two back. I’m on your side with your message but sometimes in my view you are a bully for your views.
@jacobgarcia4826
@jacobgarcia4826 5 жыл бұрын
How is being a bully in here, or when has he ever been a bully?
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 4 жыл бұрын
Does a parent bully their children when they tell them they can't have ice cream everyday for dinner?
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 6 жыл бұрын
That's not a good question...it was sarcasm dummy...
@sqlblindman
@sqlblindman 7 жыл бұрын
Nope. We don't need an absolute standard of evil in order to call something evil. We can place labels on subjective concepts. Argument fail. Next?
@joestitch7416
@joestitch7416 7 жыл бұрын
You can call whatever you want evil, subjectively. The question still would be, is there an absolute form of evil? If so, where does it come from outside your own subjective opinion? If not, then the most grotesque things ever done by humans can't be labelled evil in any absolute non subjective way.
@sqlblindman
@sqlblindman 7 жыл бұрын
joe stitch And the answer is, "no". There is no evidence for, or proof of, objective evil. Further, if there were an objective standard for good and evil, there's no argument or evidence to support the claim that god is or must necessarily be that standard. Which is why the argument in the video fails. It relies upon on unfounded and unlikely premise.
@prydain4131
@prydain4131 7 жыл бұрын
Subjective morality is not morality at all, but just the whims of an ever changing culture and the opinions of man. If evil only exists in the minds of man, then I can do as I please and justify it to myself in my mind and no one else's opinion matters at all. If we're just matter then morality doesn't matter. As you eloquently put it; "argument fail"
@sqlblindman
@sqlblindman 7 жыл бұрын
***** I love how you can just assert something without support and think you've made a valid rebuttal. Ok, Mr. Logic....what objective claim did I make, and why can't I use objective claims to reject objective claims? This should be fun.
@greenlight8819
@greenlight8819 7 жыл бұрын
sqlblindman You said there's no such thing as objective evil. If that's the case, then there's no objective good either. Your views on morality are like saying "I don't like chocolate". If you're gonna deny absolutes, then be consistent with it.
@JustFollowJesus
@JustFollowJesus 7 жыл бұрын
Your Calvinism has dictated your view of theodicy. I see much more sense in Ty Gibson's "is God a sadistic monster" message
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 4 жыл бұрын
So that is your better explanation?
@bloopville
@bloopville 7 жыл бұрын
Presup, Free Will, Divine Command Theory. A mixed bag of failed arguments.
@risingdawn5788
@risingdawn5788 6 жыл бұрын
The reason for this is because we don't have the clear cut answer, we just know that Jesus has revealed himself to us personally and has saved us.
@bwcsvin7
@bwcsvin7 6 жыл бұрын
I'm getting so tired of listening to this guy say without God their is no reason to be good "no basis". I don't believe in God because their is no proof. I don't believe in things you can not prove, that is just silly to me. Why would anyone? I'm a good fucking person though I don't need God to be good to people. I just am on my own and make that decision with my own mind. And I don't need a reward at the end of my life for doing so.
@austin7037
@austin7037 6 жыл бұрын
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@jammin6816
@jammin6816 6 жыл бұрын
Dark Matter - so you assert logical positivism which even serious atheists reject. Not to believe in something unless “proven” (empirically) is beyond silly. No one has ever seen an electron but we all still use it. Faith is used by everyone every single minute of every day- atheists, agnostics, Christians, logical positivists, and even nihilists. Btw, there’s no such thing as a “good person”, ESPECIALLY if you don’t believe in moral absolutes. Read the Bible, save your mind (and your SOUL!)
@DanielaAndrea79
@DanielaAndrea79 6 жыл бұрын
thats begging the question man. nobody is saying you need to believe in god to do good things. you have a God given conscience that speaks to you when your doing something wrong even when nobody told you. for example, lets say theres a critic of air, and he says "well I don't believe in air, and look! I'm breathing just fine!" that argument doesn't work, just because you don't believe in something doesn't make it untrue. and with the whole "theres no proof that God exists" thing is fallacious. God has proven that he exists...look around you! the moon the stars and all the earth. God could poke his head through the clouds and make himself known visually at any time but he hasn't chosen to do that.instead, he took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, and there is plenty of evidence for that. its the evidence my friend that points to the truth, not always definitive proof.
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 6 жыл бұрын
It's funny because he thinks he is making sense..
@scottt.1526
@scottt.1526 7 жыл бұрын
wow man. I have been watching your videos and you have helped me, tremendously, understand some things that I had questions to. thank you so much, and glory to God for helping you explain things so well.
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