💥Jeffrey Dahmer's Darkness: True Crime Behavioral Analysis
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Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was an American serial offender who committed the homicide and dismemberment of seventeen men and boys between 1978 and 1991. Many of his later murders involved, cannibalism, and the permanent preservation of body parts-typically all or part of the skeleton.
Although he was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, and a psychotic disorder, Dahmer was found to be legally sane at his trial. He was convicted of fifteen of the sixteen murders he had committed in Wisconsin and was sentenced to fifteen terms of life imprisonment on February 17, 1992. Dahmer was later sentenced to a sixteenth term of life imprisonment for an additional homicide committed in Ohio in 1978.
While Dahmer is universally considered to be a monster, some people believe he didn't actually commit any truly psychopathic crimes. In this video, we'll explore the evidence and see whether Dahmer could really be classified as a psychopath. Please be sure to leave a comment after watching to tell us your opinion on the matter!
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Chapters:
0:00 Jeffrey Dahmer Body Language
0:17 Family book discussion
7:51 Body language indicators
16:07 Similarities and differences
23:26 Body language cues and responses
32:16 Intrigued by Dahmer's understanding
40:12 Fantasy becoming reality
47:38 Dark turn picking hitchhiker
55:50 Father's involvement in sales
1:04:15 Techniques for opening up
1:11:46 Theme of control
1:20:01 Father-son relationship and salvation
1:27:57 Dahmer's reflection and behavior
1:36:20 Impact of being raised without guidance
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@TheBehaviorPanel Жыл бұрын
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@MRSludgedude Жыл бұрын
Type 2 psychopathy maybe? That's possible but Probly just a lack of impulse control with underlying paraphilias . I think the onset of paraphila is the big WHY.
@Krotas_DeityofConflicts Жыл бұрын
Right now i am sitting very close to my Aunt (much like them in the inrview), whom i am very close to but i am leaning far from her because i want to rest my right arm on the armrest. So, that analyze, imo could be very inaccurate; and at that point the have grown close together at that point
@SandraInesRamirez Жыл бұрын
¿Son las religiones importantes? ¿Moldean las religiones tipos de comportamientos humanitarios? Los mayores asesinos en serie, desde supuestos líderes sociales, reyes y presidentes, hasta personas como Dahmer, se han excusado en Dios y su proyecto de vida para nosotros... Agradezco enormemente la visión de Netflix de este caso... Pero ver la entrevista real me ha dejado estupefacta... Lo mismo que él utilizó como excusa para sus actos, lo pienso yo sobre la responsabilidad individual, mi visión de moralidad, viene de mi agnosticismo... Para él significa ser Dios y controlar (“el extraño“ de Camus, me viene a la mente) Él no ve la ironía en sus palabras, yo veo la pobreza del sistema social y educativo... Y, al final, veo un ser humano lidiando con las consecuencias y tratando de mostrar que hay una razón o una expiación de sus actos... Realmente la serie es incómoda. Brillante (dirección, arte, actuación). Pero aún muestra los problemas con los que vivimos... Pobreza institucional y educativa, racismo y falta de investigación en psicología o psiquiatría... Parafraseando: "sabemos más de las estrellas y del universo, que lo que sabemos de nuestros cerebros y cómo o por qué funcionan como lo hacen"... Y no requiere dejar de investigar el universo, es entender que se pueden hacer y que se deben subvencionar las dos clases de investigaciones... Toma tiempo aprender que no es la decisión de Sofía, es reconocer que descuidar una o la otra, puede causar una catástrofe...
@youcrazycat1 Жыл бұрын
There's are lots of trolls here....
@MaryFilkins Жыл бұрын
@@SandraInesRamirez thats an amazing parallel with The Stranger. Watching this interview made me think, man, this sounds familiar.
@Curlymcgurk Жыл бұрын
I wonder how more honest he would be regarding his childhood if his father wasn’t in the room.
@LifeDIY Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think if he build up some trust with an interviewer and if his dad wasn't there, I think they could have learned a lot more.
@jacquelineconsitt941 Жыл бұрын
I think he would have had many private sessions with professionals without his dad there, so he had that opportunity
@NickyM_0 Жыл бұрын
I agree. And I wonder if the sitting distance from his Father that the panel kept referring to and that we could blatantly see was 'perhaps' as a result of Dahmer wanting to be honest in the interview but putting some distance in between himself and his Dad. Whatever he had done, there is no getting away from the fact that his Dad loved and had always stuck by him. Dahmer would not have felt comfortable nor wanted his Dad to hear all the gory details, lies and psychology of his serial killer existence. I personally think that may have accounted for why the deeper the interview went into the planning, hiding of Dahmer's atrocities and his mindset, the more he edged away and distanced himself from his Dad.
@NickyM_0 Жыл бұрын
@@jacquelineconsitt941 Absolutely but the important factor would be that his Father may not have been part of the sessions with the psychologists. His body language signified how he felt, whilst being questioned on certain matters, with his Dad sitting there taking it all in.
@allisonaanderson Жыл бұрын
Yes, the way his dad stares which causes him to keep looking over for approval. Old man does care what is said about him for sure
@friedbeans65 Жыл бұрын
I like that dahmer is more honest than Casey Anthony
@dianahohimer1107 Жыл бұрын
Everyone is
@laurenkimsey1887 Жыл бұрын
That’s the truth
@keykey7646 Жыл бұрын
Than Edmond Kemper...
@d3ro876 Жыл бұрын
Dahmer didn't have a choice. Casey had a chance to and did get away with it
@RealLifeSnowWhite Жыл бұрын
Sick ain’t it 🤦🏻♀️
@jflsdknf 10 ай бұрын
Jeff was the only mainstream serial killer who wasn't a clinical psychopath. He killed as the result of an out-of-control obsession/fetish with insides instead of out of sadism. That's where the confusion is coming in. Truly a sick but not evil man.
@taopaille-paille4992 Ай бұрын
They all have slightly different psychology. The psychipathy spectrum is large and heterogeneous. The common point is absence of remorse
@stheno4783 Жыл бұрын
When I see "calm" people I don't necessarily think they're peaceful. People have told me I look calm when I'm experiencing extreme anxiety or rage. It's all about learning to look calm on the outside, even if a storm is brewing inside
@starlight4130 Жыл бұрын
It’s called “masking”. Extremely common
@jodityler5733 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading Dahmer’s dad’s book when it came out and getting the gut feeling from it that his dad had sexually molested/abused him. I can’t recall exactly what led me to that impression because it was over 25 years ago. However, the suppressed rage and adolescent fantasies really point to being “betrayed” by one of the people in his life who was supposed to keep him safe. And I think dad is present for impression control, as well as plugging his book, kind of like how Gypsy Rose Blanchard’s mom used to squeeze her hand really hard if Gypsy Rose started saying something she wasn’t supposed to. Jeffrey may have been conditioned to deny dad’s fault in any of this, and his dad’s presence is to remind him of that. Jeffrey’s need to have complete control over his victims might be representative of his relationship with his father
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
Or his mother? Everybody forgetting that she had severe mental health problems?!
@TheMothernerd Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more.
@betsytucker4788 Жыл бұрын
Jodi, you bring some new insight in by having already read the book, and your impression that can very well be true.. I imagine he must of had a love hate relationship with his father especially while he was imprisoned, and visited by him.
@caseydesocarraz5600 Жыл бұрын
Did the father take any type of responsibility for his sons actions?
@kariann3198 Жыл бұрын
@@caseydesocarraz5600 no. He blamed Dahmer. He said he had similar fantasies as Dahmer
@bobnorris1159 Жыл бұрын
The final tragedy in this situation is that scientists were not given opportunity to study his brain for any medical insights ,especially given his mothers treatment with 29 various prescription medications including hormone treatments during her pregnancy with J.D. The victims deserved the pursuit of every possible avenue to find answers to why this happened.
@tll224 Жыл бұрын
yes. access to his brain would have been very important from a scientific point of view. lost opportunity there :(
@NickyM_0 Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@kathynicholson103 Жыл бұрын
The mother wanted his brain studied (I think at UCLA?) But it was the father that refused. Hmm....
@morgandavis6788 Жыл бұрын
@@kathynicholson103 because he knew his brain was fucked up. I think there’s a lot more to Lionel’s past too.
@ashleyvictoria95 Жыл бұрын
Ya Def think that would’ve been good, and Lionel I think was afraid if they found out what was wrong with JD, that he had it too.. but deep down controlled it better maybe not to as such a terrible degree, But I think JD got some genetic mental issues from his dad
@gladysluna2533 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for the psychiatrists and psychologists when they tried to get an idea of Jeff's childhood. It seems like he only focused on what he observed (my parents fought a lot) but never how he was affected by it, or how he was treated by each of his parents. He needed to take a harder look at his childhood to "find answers". When he says "where I had the FINAL say" was the most conviction he showed in the whole interview. What the hell happened to you as a kid where you didn't have the final say? The answer to your questions is right there.
@michellep5387 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching that interview years ago, but when watching it, there's definitely something off about his father. The mother (when she was interviewed separately) seemed more dismissive and much more anxious than the father. Just my personal opinion, but I think at the core of Dahmer's psyche was that he felt completely abandoned by both of his parents.
@lucienwmoon Жыл бұрын
I really wish they got into his mother at all. Not blaming one over the other or saying one is more to blame than the other. The mother just seemed so off. At one point the mother is bringing up woman not being blamed for these issues of raising a terrible child. She had someone with her too who would interject, if I remember it was a lawyer?
@Cowgirlkate Жыл бұрын
Extreme loneliness and emotional pain brought this man to do evil and the unimaginable. His childhood and attachment disorder took his brain to a different universe…can’t even imagine how the victims families deal with the pain of their loved one murdered by this guy. His Dad is totally responsible for his lack of parenting skills, but Jeffrey taking responsibility for his actions is definitely a profound statement in his having agency for himself. Yes, Chase is so right; be mindful of your child’s dopamine receptors and erotic influences.
@NicolaMaxwell Жыл бұрын
So many experience that trauma and don't kill n eat people.
@tll224 Жыл бұрын
@@NicolaMaxwell yes, but if you have a mental illnes... things change a bit. would have been interesting to study his brain to search for abnormalities.
@jellybean6778 Жыл бұрын
I remember Chase referring to dopamine receptors, but I don't really understand what he was getting at. Could you or someone explain?
@jeaninefeldtmann423 Жыл бұрын
There are so many things I wanted to mention, I hope I remember them all. These won't be sequential, but here goes: 1. Dahmer sits tensed in most of the first part of the interview, comforting/shielding himself with the coffee cup while almost draping himself over his chair away from his father. Every time he adjusts himself, it looks like he's trying to move his chair away from his dad. 2. His dad sits in a chair with white armrests, but he places his arm on Dahmer's chair's armrest for a very long time, until the interviewer starts asking about the motives he had. When asked where the need to control came from, he says he didn't have control as a child or a young adult, and it's almost as if he is subtly accusing his dad; it is the only time his eyes move to his right to the point where his dad would most probably be clearly in his peripheral view while still facing the interviewer. At this (probably previously unacceptable) slight towards his dad, he claims the armrest from his dad for the rest of the interview. 3. When he talks about being left alone at home after The Divorce, he specifically mentions that his father only lived 5 miles away, but he had so little influence in Dahmer's life that he was, at 18, already drinking excessively. 4. When the interviewer asks him about any blame towards his mother or father, Dahmer nods when the interviewer mentions that he witnessed violent arguments from an early age, and continuing, and then that maybe that his father passed down a genetic propensity for obsessive and violent behaviour. This is when Dahmer says he can see why his dad would wonder about those things but as far as he is concerned, they are all excuses and that everyone should accept the blame for their behaviour. He goes from "I" statements, to saying "there comes a point where I think, a person has to, has to be accountable for what he's done. Can't go round making excuses, blaming other people..." My thoughts: Dahmer's father was possibly a violent, controlling, abusive person who would blame his behaviour on, among other things, genetics, probably exonerating himself by saying that HIS father had these traits, so he cannot help it and he is not to blame for it. I think this is the first time that Dahmer (again subtly) accused his father publically of abusing them/him without ever taking responsibility for his actions, and that even though he (Dahmer) is a monster, he can at least admit it and accept blame. I think this was a big punch in the gut for his dad, and that is why his dad feels the need to vindicate himself by making sure everyone knows that HE is honorable, righteous and praiseworthy for leading his son to salvation. When Dahmer looks at his father to respond, it is not in a casual, comfortable way. He almost squares up for a duel with his dad, staring daggers at him. 5. When asked if he was accountable to his parents when growing up, he puts an unusual amount of emphasis on the word "discipline". I think he was severely abused. 6. Dahmer probably lived a nightmare from a young age, was exposed to violence on a regular basis, exposed to sex, and started having dark fantasies about the things he was exposed to. He was homosexual, which was unacceptable in most households and would probably have caused even greater issues in the house. Then he was completely abandoned. Self medicated with alcohol. The ONE time things just fell in place was when he picked up the first hitchhiker and commited his first murder. First experience of control, fueled with alcohol, deep anger, deep hate, and being "nurtured" with violence and obsession created The Jeffrey Dahmer Monster.
@Sakura77488 Жыл бұрын
Great analysis! I agree with you.
@praudery6249 Жыл бұрын
very interesting points about the "duel"
@andreajan87 Жыл бұрын
Great! Agree.
@harveyplantharvester1502 Жыл бұрын
Very good! But I would add that Jeffrey's homosexuality intermingled with violence was instigated by his own father abusing him sexually since he was a child, not just beating him. Many signs point to this.
@andreajan87 Жыл бұрын
@@harveyplantharvester1502 So hard. Both deny it. But there is something that is kept secret that Jeffrey took with him to the grave.
@redqueen5738 Жыл бұрын
This is why I've always been fascinated by the psychology of Dahmer. He's a monster yes, but not a psychopath. I can't think of another serial killer like him.
@andreajan87 Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@Stellabyestarlight Жыл бұрын
Just a lonely boy prolly on the spectrum RIP 🙏
@cecehardy4425 Жыл бұрын
Could he be on autistic spectrum… his explanation about why he did what he did… sounds like psychological rhetoric.. then the end… he confessed..”it was lust, that was it..” I think there’s religious shame… which can condemn vs bring freedom… anyway.. sounds like some autism can bring him to some strange ways of copping with his (shameful) sexuality… I bet he was told that he would, “eat the fruit of his sin…”. Ok… back to interview…
@SubCultureVulture702 Жыл бұрын
What about the one that killed a bunch of prostitutes and ate the vaginas of two victims but is now some type of long distance prison grandpa to the kids of his unknown until she found him, daughter?
@iconc1402 Жыл бұрын
Ed Kemper
@gemmaraine Жыл бұрын
What I'll never understand about Jeff's dad is he couldn't accept the fact his son was gay but he seemed to shrug off the murder and eating of people. I definitely think his father caused some physiological damage (not excusing Jeff's behaviour at all what he did was beyond wrong) but rejection at a young age can cause problems in later life (and yes I understand not everyone who experiences trauma kills people), but everybody is built different and you just never know how your actions can mess people up in later life.
@emiliadavis8247 Жыл бұрын
Gemma Raine Exactly girl, exactly!
@jordyb57 9 ай бұрын
When did the dad say he couldn’t accept him for being gay?
@gemmaraine 9 ай бұрын
@@jordyb57 it was no secret his dad was slightly homophobic.
@deedurkin9879 Жыл бұрын
I think Mark was right on the money,,, I too don't like Dahmer but I dislike his father even more. That interview would have been so different if his father hadn't been sat beside him... He would not have been so guarded about the way he answered the interviewers questions. It's really surreal to see a man who has murdered so many people be so scared of his father and still be so much under his control. This was my favourite one too Scott.👍
@cherylann594 Жыл бұрын
The most animated I saw Dahmer get he was circling his arm towards his dad while talking about how the violence and the sex were all mixed up together. I believe this was at the same time his father had some lip compression and was gripping the arm of the chair with his little finger. I might be wrong about the sequence of these. I think there are some serious secrets there.
@pixie3760 Жыл бұрын
@@cherylann594 you may be right
@debrazaid5763 Жыл бұрын
I was a waitress & He came in almost every morning for a coffee & a sandwich to go. He was always very quiet & polite. Seemed very happy to get a smile & Good Morning & when I remembered how he took his coffee, seemed genuinely surprised & pleased. I always felt kind of sorry for him for some reason.
@gabriellaangel01 Жыл бұрын
Wow!
@sandarahcatmom9897 Жыл бұрын
A broken human, makes sense there would be some sense of his suffering in spite of the monster he was carrying within.
@chuckharding4564 Жыл бұрын
Didn’t happen
@kelleyabitbol6156 Жыл бұрын
No sheet.
@GroberWeisenstein Жыл бұрын
it wasn't like he wasn't eating well
@jlbaker2000 10 ай бұрын
This will sound bad, and I don't admire serial killers, but JD's honesty is impressive to me.
@shirminiabarnes6335 9 ай бұрын
He comes across as very honest and he realises exact impact he has had Also feels more as if he is trying to help with data by letting the world know how and why/or lack of why he did what he did. Just my feel
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
💯🙏
@DubbleTee 2 ай бұрын
You aren't the only one.
@DubbleTee 2 ай бұрын
That being said, he's telling the truth but not all of it because his dad is there, trying to sell his book. I would be so interested in seeing this interview without the father there.
@TheBrighterSpider Жыл бұрын
I think the missing link to understanding what drove Dahmer to commit such deviant behavior is to understand that psychologically, cannibalism is a way to connect with someone. When he eats them, he merges them into himself. He was driven by hopelessness and loneliness. That’s not psychopathy. I believe psychopaths are lonely, but they have no awareness of it. They despise human connection. Dahmer, on the other hand, craved it so intensely that he was willing to eat people to feel it, just a little.
@gk2744 Жыл бұрын
Interesting take!
@teterjennyjb Жыл бұрын
I agree with you 💯 ! Jeffrey was trying so hard to figure out who he is ! He's a Midwest young guy figuring out he's gay and that's not ok with mom dad or peers! So he's already an outcast, next dad just left him in a house with no family. This affirms that no one wants to be around him not even family! I believe he had abandonment disorders and yes he had feelings about everything he did and every life he took. He just wanted to have someone and keep them without that person having any drive to leave.
@TheoWren Жыл бұрын
oh yeah. he even said that he wanted these people to “be a permanent part of him.” it calls to mind communion and transubstantiation. when christians eat the “body and blood” of christ, it’s meant to symbolize the internalization of christ’s message. if you are what you eat, then jesus is always a part of them. similar logic with jeff, i’m sure. jeff wasn’t a psychopath so much as most likely autistic [never assessed, but that’s because the definition of autism wasn’t expanded until 1994 - 2 years after his trial, as well as the year he was killed], BPD, schizotypal, and addicted to sex. and traumatized as well. he had learned from an early age to dissociate and escape into his own mind. also, he was never taught how to work with his own emotions or even identify them properly, and he was the type of person who would’ve needed EXTRA attention and guidance with regards to that. we’re often so quick to try to put a one-size-fits-all answer on things like this, probably because of how shocking they are and how we [thankfully] can’t even imagine doing anything close to what jeff did. but in his case, it was an especially complex and unfortunate stew of events that influenced him to make those decisions. it’s really sad, because i think he could’ve been a good person if he’d decided to get help and confess to his first murder instead of trying to handle it all on his own and eventually giving in. he tragically chose his own immediate freedom and avoidance of shame over human beings’ lives. none of this excuses his behaviour at all. he still made horrible choices and must always be held accountable for that. but it might provide a background as to why he made the SPECIFIC bad choices he did.
@TheBrighterSpider Жыл бұрын
@@TheoWren Yes, I would agree with autism as well. Thankfully, most of us don’t have cannibalism for a special interest. 😳
@user-rv1wf6sd4p 9 ай бұрын
Jeffrey Dahmer was a " bad seed".,he was born to kill.sometimes you see it evolving in early years,but sometimes it manifests later on in life.its not like Chris Watts who had a : psychotic episode" and anialated his whole family,Dahmer was never going to be rehabilitated,that's an impossibility,and I am convinced that coldblooded serial killers are NOT nurtured,they are so by nature,born with it..
@stealth11 Жыл бұрын
Dahmer's father was on his "I didn't help create this" tour, which has the exact opposite impact. It feels as if he was pivotal in creating the monster that Dahmer became.
@retard_activated Ай бұрын
He also placed a lot of the responsibility on his wife/Jeff's mother. I have always felt suspicious when someone is so quick to point fingers. Whether it's true or not, we'll never really know. I wish Dahmer had opened up more about his feelings but there was Dad, right next to him, his presence seemed stifling...
@jengoodwine 11 ай бұрын
$5 says it was dad, not a neighbor kid, who violated JD when he was 8.
@darkdork1012 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty convinced (from my own experiences with people) that Dahmer's father is hiding a lot of details about Jeffrey's upbringing and home life. Victims of severe child abuse are usually loners because of their inability to relate to their more innocent and sheltered peers. Dahmer's father wrote the book and sought his own publicity not only to capitalize on what was happening, but as a form of damage control on his own reputation. This is one reason why he might be so anxious during the interview. For all we know he's fearful that Jeffrey's about to say, "Oh yeah, and there were those times dad snuck into my room at night." Child victims tend to keep their parents secrets. I could be projecting, but all the telltale signs are there. Edit: It's also likely the main reason Lionel was so involved with Jeffrey during this time was to establish some control over him so he wouldn't spill any beans. Monthly prison visits sound obligatory, not loving (if someone I loved was in prison, I'd visit as often as I could). Being present in interviews with Jeffrey, he doesn't give off an impression that he's there for emotional support. He's there to control the situation and defend himself if any dirty laundry comes up. Just my analysis based on growing up around covert predators.
@fitnessdestiny Жыл бұрын
This is so well written, and an absolutely brilliant insight!
@darkdork1012 Жыл бұрын
@@fitnessdestiny Thank you 😊
@CorporateComedy Жыл бұрын
completely agree. dad looks like he's dreading what might be said and concerned son insisted he do this international tv interview with him. you can see son holding back but suggesting there is reason for what he did, he knows well bad stuff happened to him as a child and is keeping it to himself, but appears to be exercising power over dad. furthermore, asked what he and his dad discuss, dahmer states: 12:16 - here dahmer alludes to his childhood being prison-like - possibly suggesting to dad that ''you yourself may be experiencing prison if i so choose' - how things used to be - what prison life is like HERE, as in: prison life there and here. i'm of the opinion that dahmer was sexually abused during his childhood, perhaps early and it stopped, maybe throughout. some bad stuff was happening at home, but never any domestic calls, never teachers or family noticing bruises or other signs of violence. what does that leave?
@darkdork1012 Жыл бұрын
@@CorporateComedy I have some ideas. Feel free to tell me if I'm reaching/projecting. Warning - I tend to over explain. Sorry if it's too much to read through. Skip to the last paragraph which pretty much answers your question. My grandfather was/is a pedophile. Seemed to prefer pre-adolescent girls, even as young as 3. He was also a teacher and principal with the public schools his entire career, with several transfers because of misconduct with secretaries (adult female staff). Parents of students had accused him of molestation and he lawyered up and transferred schools. My aunt (his daughter) shows signs of grooming (behaving sexual around him) and my father is criminally insane (I have no relationship with either). Predators are hard to corner when they're smart and no one is trying to investigate, but the telltale signs are in the behaviors of those they have power over. There are also issues with Dahmer's mother, which I also identify with. My mom would lay in bed all day and neglected me (father was in prison during childhood). No play, most attention was negative, she was easily stressed and couldn't emotionally handle being a mom. I played alone most of my childhood, especially once videogames and social media became part of our culture. I didn't have a phone or game console, and had no way to relate to my peers. I was isolated. I still feel unworthy of love or human contact as an adult, and I still struggle to connect to people (I'm super empathetic tho and love animals, don't worry lol). Anyway, living under parents who have dangerous skeletons in their closet tend to be more controlling and isolating toward their children to keep their secrets.
@CorporateComedy Жыл бұрын
@@darkdork1012 again, very interesting. im sorry to hear what youve been dealing with - glad things are going better/ good now. there were definite issues with dahmer and his dad. someone pointed out in another comment that the mother left, taking the little brother but left dahmer behind in the house - i wonder if he was behaving in ways that got her out of there / got her to remove the little brother? maybe there was more going on openly or was discovered.
@mabrams12 Жыл бұрын
At age 18, Jeffrey's mother moved out of state with his younger brother, leaving him in the house alone, no food, no job, no support (he had no friends). She did not inform Lionel where they moved and he spent a lot of time tracking them down. Jeffrey stated that his only motive for the murders was to keep someone with him forever (body parts), maybe connected to the abandonment by his mom.
@tengallonhat2741 Жыл бұрын
Oh geeeezzzz!!!!
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
Yes. People here keep looking at the dad, because he's present... But check out the mum 😱
@fridaytieday Жыл бұрын
Yes I think you're right.
@cdow9032 Жыл бұрын
Could be both
@powpunkonwhiskey6377 Жыл бұрын
What's scary is how calm JD comes across and how quiet and unassuming he seems. Without knowing his crimes you would think he's quite a decent guy, thoughtful before he speaks and almost seems intune with all emotions but underneath that mask lies a very broken and seething man. That's the scariest thing for me. How bloody normal he seems until you pick apart his words.
@celeste8157 10 ай бұрын
I've always thought Dahmer was NOT a psychopath. There is something so, well, human about him.
@lexellyss7437 10 ай бұрын
He wasn't. He had borderline personality disorder (look up the top symptoms!). Psychopaths cannot feel empathy or remorse, which doesn't align with Dahmer's MO. Lots of people cite his statement that if he hadn't been caught, he'd still be killing but he couldn't stop himself from doing it as proof of psychopathy.... But he also said how relieved he was that he was caught so that he couldn't do it anymore.
@gabrielletanner5339 10 ай бұрын
What.. cutting up bodies and eating them !!!
@mike-we8pb 10 ай бұрын
The way Dahmer leans so far away from his father during that interview. The father's book about his son is so sick. I sense he has such contempt and anger about his father. I bet his father did a lot of violence towards the mother. Divorced. Maybe his own father sexually abused him? To kill, cut up and then eat other people must take a certain level of sustained rage.
@bellateresa2710 10 ай бұрын
Girl get help
@jflsdknf 10 ай бұрын
Not a psychopath, his doctors even said this. He did not test positive for it... he killed because he couldn't control his paraphilia but he was not a psychopath.
@loots9821 10 ай бұрын
When the scariest person in the room isnt jeffrey dahmer 😬 his dad is another level
@SusanSez1 Жыл бұрын
This may sound strange, but I've always felt a little sorry for Dahmer's childhood experiences. Not that I condone or accept his choices! It seems he was done wrong and, with his characteristics, a recipe for future horrific acts came together. I think that some people can exhibit evil behavior and simultaneously despise their choices. I watched him at his trial where he stood and said, "I deserve death. I believe I'm evil. " He caused immeasurable pain to many many victims and their friends and families. He was one of the worst people who walked the Earth. He at least took responsibility and seemed cognizant of his sickness.
@SummeRain783 Жыл бұрын
That was an act. Don't fall for it. There are several reports where he would taunt his jailmates and do stupid things which led to almost none of them liking him. He was a weirdo outside and a weirdo in jail. He was evil until his death and he liked to mess around with people psychologically if he couldn't do it violently. Just because he called himself evil doesn't mean he took responsibility. Most people know who they are, even the bad guys. Taking responsibility would have meant to sincerely apologize and show remorse, which he completely lacks. There is nothing wrong with feeling sorry for a child going through harm. I also take pity when hearing of some of the horrid things many serial killers had experienced as a child. No child deserves to be abused.
@heathermallory2096 Жыл бұрын
@@SummeRain783 I disagree with much of this. Sounds like your not factoring in all the facts and your just judging. That's not our place. Our place is to understand his mind and what made him do what he did. Do u know the ins and outs of his case?
@Sakura77488 Жыл бұрын
@@SummeRain783 I think the reason why he can be hard to read is because he most likely was on the autism spectrum. So the feelings were likely there but he had trouble with expressing them. I think the taunting (if true) was most likely to provoke his inmates so that they would hurt him. Because I think he kind of hated himself and wanted to die. Apparently his last words were (right before getting murdered) "I don't care if I live or die, go ahead and kill me"
@brendamonjaras8733 Жыл бұрын
@@SummeRain783 Actually that was never confirmed by anyone except the person who killed him that he would taunt them. Not one psychologist, psychiatrist, warden, mate, etc ever said that. Rather, a psychologist, colleague of mine agreed that his personality is nothing like that at all. It goes against his social disorders and sociopathy. It was said that he did that but never confirmed. It is also said that he was killed because he was gay. Also not confirmed. Bottomline; All sad.
@ShazWag Жыл бұрын
Expert forensic psychologists have stated that Dahmer was not a psychopath and showed no psychopathic features. He was a "sociopath" - which is different - and he also communicated remorse and self-responsibility both in interviews and at his trial, with no signs of self-appraisal. There was a lot of insecurity in his childhood, especially with his mother being emotionally unavailable to him from infancy and witnessing continuous abusive arguments between his parents. His mother seemed very self-centred and controlling, and she also took a lot of heavy drugs during her pregnancy with JD (including opioids), which his father didn't like and tried to stop. The epigenetic effects of this may well have affected the developing foetus, as well as exposure to his mother's emotional distress. JD's mother suddenly abandoned him as a teenager, only taking his younger brother. He had happy memories of his father paying him interest and attention when they gutted fish together or when dealing with dead animals - so he may have connected affection and attention to this, and his fascination with animal corpses grew. Insecurity and abandonment seemed to be strong ongoing features of his childhood, and there were definitely attachment issues with his mother. He was emotionally closer to his father than to his mother, and confiding in them about his sexuality wasn't possible in his view. From interviews I've watched with him and looking into his background, it seems his mother had narcissistic and BPD traits. Also, his dad's encouragement to dispel evolution (very strange for a scientist) and turn towards Jesus is a way of accepting no part to play in his son's emotional development - showing his dad kind of brainwashed his son to not blame his parents for anything; a further indication that the father still maintained control. JD came across as quite introverted and intelligent, but needing love and recognition from his father allowed his dad that control. I'm a forensic psychology student by the way, hence my interest in the JD case.
@TheBehaviorPanel Жыл бұрын
There’s no such thing as a sociopath. That’s just a word that is used instead of psychopath because psychopath sound so bad. We actually talk about what you’re referring to in the episode.
@cor3944 Жыл бұрын
Psychopaths are experts in manipulation, lies and inducing pity.
@vicspegveg Жыл бұрын
@@TheBehaviorPanel what do you mean by "there is no such thing as sociopath"?
@y0nki Жыл бұрын
@@vicspegveg I think a sociopath is a type of phychopath.
@claireelyse5992 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBehaviorPanel neither are clinical terms anyway, and their use varies between who you’re talking to and in what disciplines
@Chickenface12345 11 ай бұрын
Listen this doesn't look good on paper, but I CAN feel sorry for Jeffrey Dhamer. I can feel all the violence, overcontrol, loneliness, anger, confusion, rejection stirring inside him under the oppressing need for his father's approval etc etc. He is a victim that turned inhumanely gruesome. Bundy just FELT HORRIBLY PLEASED by what he did and knew it wasn't ok to look proud about it. Dhamer didn't. He wasn't proud, he just looks very disassociated most of the time.He was not a sadist,he didn't enjoy the kill, his methods testify to it. He just wanted to be in total control and he dreaded abandonement. If you sum it up with being raised possibly without real empathy and around violence and with the fact that he "just couldn't fit"....I think this made him a monster. Not excuses,tho', just possible explanation. There is something "innately" malignant and luciferian about people like Bundy but I can't seem to see it in Dhamer. I just see a child gone VERY, VERY, VERY WRONG.
@DrWhom 11 ай бұрын
you are right, it looks bad on paper - maybe because you cannot even spell his name?
@jflsdknf 10 ай бұрын
What your'e talking about is psychopathy...evil, or the absence of empathy that makes us human...Dahmer was not diagnosed with psychopathy and yes he had a conscience and had remorse. Bundy and others did not
@Moluccan56 9 ай бұрын
I think you can feel sadness for the wounded child in him.
@kathleenhebert2278 9 ай бұрын
Yes, and satan knows how easy it is to sneak his demons in to a poor soul who is lost ….😢
@lilyannalina 5 ай бұрын
You’re right
@OriginalAivien Жыл бұрын
When Jeffrey says "... I felt I had no control as a child or young adult..." there is a literal CLUSTERFUCK. Not only is *he* gesticulating towards his dad, his eyes are also toward that side of himself, he is soooo far away from his dad as possible without it looking too obvious (in his mind maybe). But also the FATHER clears his throat at that exact moment when Jeffrey says "no control as a child or young adult", AND looks at the interviewer to check his reaction. Is daddy uncomfortable? Surely. But Dahmer talks about drilling holes in skulls and pouring acid in them... Nothing from the dad. But when Jeffrey talks about his family life? What *I* see is the parent SIGNALING to his child. Controlling and/or narcissistic parents love giving signals to the kids keep them on check, and the kids are so attuned, so "well trained" to pick up on it. Jeffrey tries to say something about his childhood and dad is going "careful what you're saying!" And the SECOND after that it's the first time he actually pipes up to climb back on his high horse to have Jeffrey (not himself) tell everyone that HE, daddy dearest, made his kid believe in God, made him change. Omg, I hate his father so much!
@OriginalAivien Жыл бұрын
Also the whole "a person has to be held accountable for what he's done"... Since this is directly after the childhood part... Jeffrey might be talking not only about himself but his father (maybe that's why he switched to "people" rather than referring to himself alone. And THEN pops chimes in with the saviour signal so Jeffrey can praise daddy for making him better. Arrgghhh! That man!
@Prawnstar. Жыл бұрын
Wow! Appreciate your observation. Definitely something there.
@Aparx22 Жыл бұрын
Yep! I read everything you did. In my opinion you’re right on the money
@thekeysman6760 Жыл бұрын
@Aivien Whitfield "there is a literal CLUSTERFUCK" Uh, a clusterfuck OF something, yeah. Clusterfuck being a general term which always needs a context. Oh, and "literally" means people would have appeared in an instant orgy, so yeah...Words have meaning.
@kaymarham5486 Жыл бұрын
*NOTE TO SELF* : Vegetarian dinner tonight. 🥗
@NicolaMaxwell Жыл бұрын
I have vegetarian dinner every night 😆 I'm safe from flesh eating 🙌😂
@AmyLou402 Жыл бұрын
Hahaaa! 😂
@chasehughesofficial Жыл бұрын
😂
@lucijamlinaric8763 Жыл бұрын
Vegan here :)
@toni4207 Жыл бұрын
😂
@alysgrant6732 Жыл бұрын
The message his father sends him after the divorce is he would rather stay in a hotel room only 5 miles away, then with his son. Meanwhile, Jeffrey is extremely lonely, abandoned by 2 horrible parents. He is then desperately fearful of being left again.
@stephaniegilcher4577 Жыл бұрын
His mother kicked his father out of the house and his father did not know that his mother left.. he had to promise not to tell his father that she left. When his father found out that his son lived alone he moved back in with him
@noellelake7738 Жыл бұрын
his violence was liekly in direct proportion to the shame he was made to feel by this cold, controlling, preachy, likely abusive father.
@paulx7620 Жыл бұрын
The void that is Jeff is really odd to see. There's just no happiness or joy anywhere in him. Extremely flat.
@rl7012 Жыл бұрын
There is rage there. He has a deep well of rage under the flat.
@gemof_gems Жыл бұрын
@@rl7012 IKR , He hates his Dad . I know it .
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
Jeff’s dad must have done such horrible things to him & continued to control the narrative til the end. I pray for all the victims of abuse who have suffered & continue to suffer 🙏
@marytaylor8482 Жыл бұрын
I'm on board with not liking Jeffrey but I dislike the dad equally or more. Working in behavioral health, I spend a lot of time assessing family dynamics and my money goes to this dad as physically and emotionally abusive...likely the home had to meet his exacting expectations i.e not too much noise, everything in its place and his words were law so to speak. I doubt this man expressed genuine feelings or affection and Jeffrey probably had no modeling of that, making it impossible for him to recognize or process his own emotions. This Dad is here to pat himself on the back and make sure he is seen as a hero of sorts and definitely not at fault for what his son has done. He might toss all these ideas around in a book but this guy is a narcissist and wants to be exonerated of any part. He's less than a joke. Very disturbed dad to a very disturbed son. That's my two cents.
@kyianevvare3541 Жыл бұрын
I would recommend looking into his mother. She was known to yell a lot, and she was very neurotic. I believe both he and his father are both on the spectrum of autism. I'm not saying I'm any way that him being on the spectrum made him do this or that people with autism are likely to do things like this. I'm just saying that it could explain the uncomfortable body language. But back to the issues with his mother, there are a couple interviews with her and interviews with others that talk about how she was. She also left her barely 18 year old son alone in the house and moved away with his little brother. I would suggest lack of maternal instinct. I think both parents however were not paying attention to their son.
@Juhani139 Жыл бұрын
As a potential abuser to Jeffrey in his past, should he be allowed in the same room with him? (Outside of therapy) It just seems to me that if he's part of the reason we're all here, if he's part of what set J on this track and caused emotional abuse, then he should be kept away from this man.
@marytaylor8482 Жыл бұрын
@@kyianevvare3541 I will look into that! I don't know anything about mom and I agree especially J might be on the spectrum
@marytaylor8482 Жыл бұрын
@@Ryan-mq2mi I agree with you and definitely not excusing Jeffrey in any way. I'm just looking at the big picture. His behavior is horrific and I don't minimize it at all. I do look at the bigger picture because it's important in my field. That said, it's not meant to excuse or minimize what he did. He was a monster. It's the making of the monster that I'm exploring
@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Жыл бұрын
narcissism and sociopathy need both the genetic component and the environment to develop. Dahmer’s father gave him both - the genetic predisposition and the abvsive environment. Jeffery never had a chance.
@patmanchester8045 Жыл бұрын
Greg..."sometimes monsters are just monsters". I have a friend who was the shrink for the sexual predators in the prison Dalmer would have ended up in, had he lived, who told me two things " They are just wired differently than the rest of us" and when I asked when you could trust them, she said " when they are 6 ft under".
@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Dahmer was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, co-morbid with schizotypal personality disorder, and an antisocial disorder. So his primary problem was that he was terrified of being abandoned and alone. That's why he kept his victims and ate them so they would become part of him and in his mind thought it would make him feel less lonely and unloved. In That way, they also could never leave him.😬😱
@mariastefanie5835 Жыл бұрын
And these all come from childhood abandonment
@compulsiverambler1352 Жыл бұрын
Schizotypal PD was one of the disorders that normal-IQ autistic adults got diagnosed with back in those days. Given that like schizotypal PD, autism often runs in the same families as schizophrenia, it's possible that so-called schizotypal PD is always just what normal-IQ autism looks like when it's caused by specific schizophrenia-overlapping subsets of the neurobiological pathways involved. These families are the ones where autism is associated with smaller head circumference than average. In other families, autism runs along with completely different sets of conditions, often associated with a large head circumference instead, and normal-IQ autistic members of those families don't meet the criteria for schizotypal PD.
@melrei64 3 ай бұрын
Prior to seeing this interview, I felt sorry for the father having that son. After the interview, I felt sorry for the son having that father.
@dortekehl868 3 ай бұрын
Yes
@TheKak933 3 ай бұрын
Agree
@lovewins7412 3 ай бұрын
Same!!
@Dolphinboi Ай бұрын
@@lovewins7412do u feel bad for Jeffery dahmer even though he is gay
@k_a_bizzle Ай бұрын
@@Dolphinboiyou know what the worst thing about bill cosby is?
@teenieneenie630 Жыл бұрын
My attention was drawn immediately to the Father. I found him "creepy", but, unable to pin point why.
@amber.cartomancer Жыл бұрын
Right me too. I kept thinking if I was in a room with both of them I think I would be more afraid of the Dad.
@patriciaconnorspaszek6259 Жыл бұрын
The dad seems to have some serious control over Dahmer. I think Dahmer is holding back on what he really wants to say.
@TheoWren Жыл бұрын
@@patriciaconnorspaszek6259 - 100%. jeff’s main thing was exerting complete control and dominance over someone else. i’m pretty sure that he had no other concept of how an interpersonal relationship should be. if you listen to the whole interview, there’s a point at which he says he wanted to “be the one who had complete control” - as though relationships couldn’t possibly work any other way. this was likely modelled for him by his parents as he was growing up, and he never really made any friendships that involved an equal give-and-take dynamic - his high school “friends” basically just saw him as a mascot and a punchline. and given that his mom never even held him as a baby aside from family photos, he never really learned what a genuine relationship consisted of. and his father kept a tight rein on him all throughout his 20s and into his 30s - aside from his secret murderous rampage, nothing in his life was really his own choice. certainly doesn’t excuse how he chose to handle it - he should’ve sought help before he ever hurt anyone. but it shows you what circumstances he came from that influenced what type of killer he became.
@courtneyfrost915 Жыл бұрын
Jeffery Dahmer is a special case for me. This is because I feel some sympathy for him, but at the same time, I am completely revolted by his crimes. I guess that makes me human. But, a conflicted human. I saw some of the photos of his victims. They are by far, the most disturbing images that I have ever seen.
@Christal417 3 ай бұрын
I wish they could have interviewed Jeff without his father
@taleandclawrock2606 Жыл бұрын
Thinking about an isolated sensitive child, who has experienced multiple traumatic fights between mother and father, and then instead of Dad supporting child to identify and verbalise feelings, or understand Dads scary behavior ( parents fighting terrifies children), Dad takes son out and imprints him with gory taxidermy, living things are just meat, to process. I can see how that would evolve tremendous horror, mortal terror ( will Dad do this to Mum, or me?) disassociation, compartmentalisation. Combined with final blow of mums abandonment ( she took the brother to safety, not him) then years more isolation.......plenty of fodder there for massive psychological damage. Tragic and sadly the buck did not stop there.
@a.patrickkilkenny3036 Жыл бұрын
The dad cuttng up and collecting dead animals is a demented activity to do with yr kid
@lolo-rh2mo Жыл бұрын
Dahlmer’s mother was reported to be a hypochondriac, emotional, depressed and disagreeable. She likely was a bad influence as well.
@VicEiland Жыл бұрын
I'm with Mark. Serious "uh oh" feelings around the Dad. He's there to governor his son and keep if from revealing anything. The book is to "set the record straight" so if Jeffery says anything revealing about his dad, he could say, "that wasn't me, that was the neighbor."
@s.c.7362 11 ай бұрын
Greg, Jeff never raged. When he was arrested, he was defeated. He was relieved. He calmly confessed to everything. He has only ever been exactly like you see him here, in every single interview, in every interrogation, in every recording, in every home movie, in court, in high school.
@DrWhom 11 ай бұрын
But when he was violent he was really something
@ashleybeechreid6354 Жыл бұрын
Idea for vids - Robert Wagner on Natalie Wood's death.
@ramblinrose8 Жыл бұрын
let Natalie be...Wagner's time is short
@MikeySea676 Жыл бұрын
That'd be very interesting.
@karenj5899 Жыл бұрын
His parents failed him. They never showed him love, they fought constantly in front of him, and who know what else was done to him. They then left him alone in that house for months. The perfect setting for what he had always dreamed of doing. What he did was absolutely his fault and his choice but no wonder he had so much rage, self loathing, and need to control something in his life.
@sparklebox11 Жыл бұрын
Yes, he had no good role model
@BP-cx7og Жыл бұрын
There were several problems in that family for sure. Joyce abandoned him but gave him a chance to go with her; she even begged him to go. Lionel and his wife Shari left him, and he never asked Jeffrey to join them. Joyce begged him to come with her and David when she was about to leave their house. Patrick Kennedy (the cop who interrogated Jeffrey for an extended period of time) stated: "Jeffrey just stood there and was "frozen" so she just decided to leave without him, paranoid that Lionel would catch them leave." (you can also find this in the book "Shrine of Jeffrey") Joyce tried to get Jeffrey to go to California, but he did not want to. (He later regretted not going there and wished he did instead of working at the Ambrosia, which was noted in a letter he sent to Joyce from prison.). I'm not saying she doesn't have any problems. Still, there are a lot of things that could be improved about the Netflix series and misconceptions overall. For me, Lionel was always trying to get attention, and it was indeed something like, "look, I'm a good father; look at me here saying all these things for you to believe me while I try to hide what I don't want anyone to know."
@DecemberHendrickson 2 ай бұрын
He was stationed in Belguim for two years the same time we were. He was a medic, my Dad was a teacher.
@nedababic2755 Жыл бұрын
When J. Dahmer is mentioned I always remember that poor boy who, somehow, got out of his place and escaped from torture only to be escorted back (by the police😔) to the apartment of horror where J. Dahmer killed him. It's such a sad and tragic destiny😭
@tll224 Жыл бұрын
yes. I was so angry when I saw a tv show about him. that poor boy... he knew what was going to happen to him. He was aware of it the all time. incompetent /racist? police. 🤬
@kaymarham5486 Жыл бұрын
@@tll224 Hi Tania, it feels unfair to throw out the word "racist" so idly. The police see every side of humanity and weird behaviours, to the point where 'weird situations' are kinda normal. On the face of it, Dahmer was composed, eloquent and had a feasible explanation. That poor terrified young man had been drugged, was probably wild-eyed with terror (which also happens with certain drugs and substances) and verbally incapacitated. Rather than racism, it is far more reasonable and likely that the police bought the 'lovers' tiff' story than guessing that he was about to be butchered, canabalised, dismembered and stuffed into orifices to join others who had met the same unimaginable fate.
@kaymarham5486 Жыл бұрын
@Scape Goated on the Borderline My words were *"more reasonable and likely"* to buy into what Dahmer sold, than assume a scenario of imminent murder, cannibalism and dismemberment. You've added other made up hypothetical scenarios that I won't respond to, but I just don't see the need to add the word "white" in your sentence about the police believing the guy who spoke with more credibility, rather than someone who likely came across as high and/or mindlessly drunk (tragically), especially without clear evidence that a crime was taking place. People make quick credibility judgements every day, all over the world, always have and always will. Lucky us for having The Behaviour Panel to unpick these things, huh?! 👏🌷
@naynay3710 Жыл бұрын
This was really fascinating. I've seen that interview before, a long time ago, and I was struck again by how "normal" Jeffrey seemed (me, being a layperson). Though his affect was fairly flat, he seemed to think clearly, he seemed to understand right from wrong, He didn't seem to try to glorify any of his actions, etc. And yet, we all know what he did. I find him completely abhorrent and yet so oddly "regular". He's very confusing. I haven't read up on Jeffrey's childhood or anything about his dad, but I got the same feelings that you did about him. I don't know what's true, but I can't help but wonder what kind of horror Jeff's childhood was due to his dad. smh
@polarbearsrus6980 Жыл бұрын
Think "mother"... not just his father. "Because Lionel was busy with his own doctoral studies, he was often absent from the home. And Joyce Dahmer, according to Lionel, was far from an ideal mother. He alleged that she was on prescription drugs while pregnant to Jeffrey, and was mentally unstable after she gave birth to him."
@katgirlblue Жыл бұрын
@@polarbearsrus6980 would Lionel even know what an ideal parent is?
@kiara4345 Жыл бұрын
He is actually described as an absent father. And for his mother, she was on medication for some mental instability and tried to kill herself a few times when Jefrrey was a boy; plus, she was in a psychiatric hospital when he was 10 years old. Both of the parents engaged in several discussions that were on the violent side. This isolated him in his world more. And later on (during the divorce I believe) she abandoned him, taking his brother with her, but leaving him alone; his father was staying in a motel, so Jeffrey had the house for himself. Just a few weeks after he killed for the first time.
@Sakura77488 Жыл бұрын
I think that both his parents were neglectful and maybe even abusive to some extent. But he was close with the family dog, maybe because the dog was the only one who gave him unconditional love? And I think the reason why he can be hard to read body language wise is because he very likely was on the autism spectrum. The feelings were there, but he had trouble with expressing them.
@avatar4926 10 ай бұрын
Maybe it was not the neighbour that sexually abused JD, but instead his father.
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
Exactly, the neighbor is a way to distract from the SA DaddyDahmer inflicted on Jeff.
@peakydene1943 4 ай бұрын
Dahmer hates his father. I would not have been aware of that had it not been pointed out by TBP Dahmer’s subtle look of disgust each time his father touched him or inserted himself in the discussion. Also how Dahmer leaned as far away from his father as he could. At the beginning, I couldn’t understand why his father was there at all, but now I understand somewhat. I think he worried about what his son would say, and also I think he wanted to continue his dominance. I can see how he has inserted himself into the interview and perhaps is trying to control it. In a way, Dahmer’s father is as sick and twisted as his son. He certainly gives me the creeps. As Mark said, the fact that he wrote a book about what his son did is quite appalling. I wonder about Dahmer’s brother…how he feels about his father and what his life has been like.
@JohnSmith-lk8cy 4 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. Well described. I wonder if there is an interview with the father. That would be interesting.
@ShazWag Жыл бұрын
"My mother was with 'her' family" - not 'the rest' of the family ... He likely felt excluded.
@ryancampbell2192 Жыл бұрын
I lived in Milwaukee during this time (went to school at Marquette University) and as a Criminology major, we took deep dives into Dahmer & his serious departures from "textbook" psychopaths. We kind of came to the conclusion that he had serious psychotic breaks & potential fugue states early on during the murders, but was very conscious of his behaviorduring his "experiments". Worse, the predominantly secretive nature of the underground gay scene in a smaller mid-western city like Milwaukee helped him blend his murderous secrets with the "expected" secrecy/shame of closeted gay men. By the time he held this interview he had been well medicated (and no longer self-medicating with blackout levels of alcohol) & I feel he was finally able to think clearly and really be insightful about his own abhorrent behavior...to the point that I think he may have in some ways committed "suicide by inmate." His newfound belief in God probably made him feel like suicide wasn't an acceptable option, but putting himself in a position to be killed was a viable way out.
@hopflo11 Жыл бұрын
YASSSSS 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 The death by inmate was a bonus to getting some amusement. I suspect the new belief system was just a tweak in the “personality” and his only hope for salvation - he likely believed such a person as JC existed and found some sort of enlightenment and figured he’d try out the conceit if Of faith
@drhyshek Жыл бұрын
Why did the father leave Jeffrey alone after his wife left? In my opinion, he didnt care how that affected Jeffrey. Also the father admitted that he had the same thoughts but never acted on them. In a weird way I think Jeffrey was trying to make his father stay. And the mother fought all the time with the father so it doesnt seem to me that he wanted her to stay. He wanted his father. As a teenager, he needed his father. No one should be left alone after a major life event like divorce or death .
@patsielee7760 Жыл бұрын
He can't talk freely because his dad is sitting right there beside him. He and the dad both know very well that the father is to blame for so much of what happened to him as a child. As Jeffrey answers questions, the dad looks at him as if he (Jeffrey) is a spectacle of some sort, an atrocity but he knows in his heart that he created that atrocity, just doesn't want to accept his part. I am fully aware of the horrors he committed, yet I can't help but feel sorry for him.
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
I completely concur with your comment. Jeff was a victim who victimized. DaddyBuyMyBook was a brainwashing monster for sure.
@debbiedean3165 Жыл бұрын
When I first saw how far Jeffrey was leaning away from his father I felt sick to my stomach and so uncomfortable. To me that is an automatic response to sitting next to your abuser. Later when his father was directly staring at Jeffrey I felt like he was trying to control him through fear and intimidation. Even though Jeffrey wasn’t looking at his father , you can physically feel something like that. It’s possible that Jeffrey is more relaxed because he really has nothing to hide. Also his father may feel very nervous because he could have a lot to hide, and at different times during the interview used looking at him, or touching his shoulder to keep control. Oh now Jeffrey, we’re not going to talk about how I found the boxes. Stone Phillips was one of my favorites. I appreciated that you mainly focused on the psychology and not on the horrific crimes. The little that was said was enough. Great to see you Scott. 😊
@katrinat.3032 Жыл бұрын
Good point because as I think about theGary Heidnik story (something I suggested). it’s just horrific, But it is the psychology that makes it interesting
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
I think necrophilia was worth a mention. It's part of Jeffrey Dahmer's very complex characterisation
@heidimangelsen5661 Жыл бұрын
Would also love to see The Panel analyze someone who turned out to be proven innocent.
@Johan-vk5yd Жыл бұрын
That would be interesting. The Panel is about honesty versus deception, irrespective of guilt or innocence.
@kellyharney2385 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! Could be hard to find one that’s interesting but there must be something out there.
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
They did. The plea of Cleo Smith's parents, the Australian girl who was abducted. And before she was found alive and healthy, the panel had already said they were innocent
@doloresl.2150 Жыл бұрын
Lindy Chamberlain.
@doloresl.2150 Жыл бұрын
The West Memphis three.
@keykey7646 Жыл бұрын
Sadness radiates from him.
@suigeneris2663 Жыл бұрын
“If you got somebody who killed people and eats ‘em, there’s a lot going on there.” - Scott’s Inner Blonde
@tiananesbitt7156 Жыл бұрын
His brother out there with his own kids. Does that do something for you? Like wonder?
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
That was a classic Scottism 😂I appreciate his sarcastic humor immensely!
@missaretha1969 Жыл бұрын
Having Stone Phillips doing this interview is NO ACCIDENT. For starters, he’s a Yale graduate and extremely smart. Second, he anchored at ABC and NBC for the largest part of his career. He was on Dateline forever. And most likely, Stone Phillips was EXACTLY the type of handsome man that Dahmer liked. A woman would have never gotten this much interaction and information. An older man would have been like another father…bad idea. Stone Phillips, by comparison to all other interviews, got the most information out of Dahmer because to Dahmer, Stone Phillips was probably GORGEOUS AND DASHING. He probably smelled good too. At the time, he was the most GQ looking journalist and reporter on TV. And he knew how to conduct an interview.
@Cat-qo3ht Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine was put in 1st Class on the same plane as Stone Phillips about 26 years ago(she had a medical emergency and was taken care of in 1st Class bathroom). She was then seated next to Stone. They had a good conversation til the plane landed. When they were ready to disembark SP asked her if she'd like his autograph. She said, "No. Do you want mine?" 😂. I kind of felt after hearing that that he was a bit arrogant. But he was definitely a good interviewer👍🏻
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
No, he wasn't his type, from what I've learnt from interviews with his psychiatrists and his confessions
@missaretha1969 Жыл бұрын
@@WABP860 Okay. You tell me what his type was. I couldn’t possibly know anything about Jeffrey Dahmer. Let’s see…got one whole degree in Administration of Justice with minors in Abnormal Psychology, Music, and Constitutional Law. Got a whole graduate degree in Criminology and Criminal Typology and did a whole Criminal Typology thesis on serial killers from the mid-80s to early 90s. Nope. I couldn’t possibly know anything about him.
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
@@missaretha1969 it's not about you. I saw all his interviews and read about him, and he (and his psychiatrists) described specifically the body type he liked. The fact that Stone Phillips is attractive doesn't mean that everyone is attracted to him, and your degrees might not have included "Jeffrey Dahmer's favourite body type" as part of the program. Don't take it personal
@missaretha1969 Жыл бұрын
@@WABP860 LOL! Of course it did. I wasn’t saying that Stone Phillips was picked because he was exactly his type.
@tollyowens3359 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating one, indeed! I’m with you guys. He was the most honest of all the serial killers and “psychopaths” you’ve analyzed. And, yes, that dad… Mark zones in on that early on. Great one, guys.
@robwilkins698 Жыл бұрын
Dahmer's story is truly sad. Not just for his victims but everyone affected. Evan Peters really played him to a "T"
@judyc9630 8 ай бұрын
HIs dad didn't know what to do with Jeff, so he sent him to stay with his SUPER conservative, catholic grandmother; she treated him like a child, gave him no privacy, did not allow him to lock his room... She judged him horribly and humiliated him for not being a "man" as the church wanted him to be. I think that did a lot of damage. He said here he wanted to control the men, but in other interviews he said he just wanted "someone to stay with him, and won't leave". That's kind of sad.
@mollyquinn1823 Жыл бұрын
The mother did an interview that was broadcast on tv decades ago & she discussed her battle with depression & how Lionel was not sympathetic, not compassionate, & did not try to get help for her. She described a cold & removed from her issues husband. Who was also cold & removed from Jeffrey's need to be protected, loved, & cared for while his mother was sick. Instead Lionel was furious that his family wasn't perfect. He ruled with shouting at them & storming out. IMO Jeffrey numbed himself with alcohol like his mother did with RXs & he needed someone to control but not love like his father was with him. Obviously lots of other experiences were added in to create this wretched human. He went to prison in 1992 & was killed by another inmate in 1994.
@maddyharvey7414 Жыл бұрын
It’s so messed up because compared to many other serial killer interviews, I almost forget how much pain he’s caused people. He comes across reserved, polite and mild tempered. When I’ve watched people like Ted Bundy, he gives off such a creepy energy. But with Dahmer I would likely be fooled if I didn’t know about his crimes. In the end, the people he harmed are the ones who never had a voice, yet he gets the interview. It’s all fucked up.
@kimmyfreak200 Жыл бұрын
agreed bundy makes me so uncomfortable in interviews...he has negative energy...what do u think of ed kemper? i hope the 4 wise men do it..they sure get asked an awful lot by so many..kemper is an anamoly..he may have had reactive attachment disorder too from neglect abuse and lack of attention and affection and love from his mother who everyone said was horrible..her ex husband said he preferred the war actual battle zones to being married or living with her
@brendamonjaras8733 Жыл бұрын
Bundy was another disorder, NPD...psychopath. When I see Manson, Bundy and Gacy...I don't feel bad for them at all. The disorders are different which would explain the different engaging reactions
@s.c.7362 11 ай бұрын
Dahmer's rigid, hunched over walk is notoriously characteristic of him. He was HIGHLY socially awkward and EXTREMELY uncomfortable and inappropriate in social settings, which speaks to his insatiable need to control his victims later on. I have studied everything Dahmer since 1991; it was he who first got me interested in criminal psychology and profiling. I still remember watching the whole thing unfold on tv in 91, including the original news footage of his apartment being emptied by police. Jeff isn't that sedate for any pharmaceutical reason; that was always his demeanor, even as a teenager, except when he was cutting up, usually at the request of his classmates whom he was hoping to befriend with his antics but who just laughed at him. Jeff was a loner, never fit in, never could please his academic father, rarely got any quality attention from his disturbed mother, never dated (obviously), and never really had any friends. He could never keep a job and was even kicked out of the military. He was a very lonely kid and a very lonely adult. Always quiet and shy. Always haunted by his demons. His dad wasn't the biggest problem at home, Scott. His mother was. She was very disturbed, delusional, and on many drugs, even while pregnant with Jeff. His parents fought HORRIBLY during his childhood and his father could never connect with Jeff or get him interested in any healthy or "normal" activities. The two could not relate. Dad was highly intelligent and educated and Jeff felt inferior and was ashamed of his mother, and he got lost in all the drama. His dad tried and tried with Jeff but couldn't get his son to be successful in any way, in any form. His mother abandoned him and left him in the family home with no food or money when he was 18, after his dad had moved out, leaving him free to sink into his fantasies and psychopathy. That's when he killed his first victim, a teenager named Steven Hicks, whom he dismembered. He then pulverized his bones into almost powder, put them in a trash bag, and took it out back where he spun in a circle and scattered the tiny bone fragments across his back yard. Thus began the story of Dahmer as we know it today.
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
You’re believing the narrative pushed by media & DaddyDahmer. The mother wasn’t a saint, but she was a victim of her husband’s covert narcissism too. She probably knew about the SA of Jeff which only worsened her own mental illness. BuyMyBookDad was wicked, look at his eyes & pay attention to narc clues. The mom was repeatedly labeled as the crazy one when the father admitted to having same sick “fantasies” and he taught Jeff how to dissect or preserve animals.
@spinozareader Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey's is THE case study for how profound childhood lonliness intersects with a household wherein the child is bright, different, and overlooked and essentially abandoned from an early age. His parents: Dad: milque-toast, engineer, married to a beautiful, fiery, unstable woman with whom fights were commonly overheard. Dad aproaches human behavior as if it's completely linear and "additive" (i.e. Child goes out into woods after hearing yet another row. "Fix" this by distracting child with, perhaps, a lesson on taxidermy. There; problem addressed and solved, per Dad at least. Heaven forbid having any honest discussion about what is going on with his parents and how the child can rightfully express his rage and anger and befuddlement.) Speaking of heaven...After his divorce, the father married a woman who embraces religious fundamentalism. This sort of thinking advocates for things like demonic/evil possession; the exogenous, *handy* reason that absolves the adults in his life of responsibility. None of these players can ever have a frank discussion about what put Jeffrey on this path. Never. The house he grew up in was situated in a rather remote place, further adding to his alienation. And can you imagine his feelings as he realized that he was attracted to men? In a home where it's not to be acknowledged, and certainly not talked about. When Jeff's mother left his father, she took his younger brother with her and left Jeff behind. Sweet. He was, again, left alone in that house. No supervision; no company....left to his own craving, lonliness, and with ZERO tools about how to evaluate, much less cultivate and navigate, a healthy relationship with any human. In NO WAY am I attempting to minimize the horror and gravity of Dahmer's crimes. I am saying that if you place a lonely child in garden soil that's rife with self-obssessed, fighting, inattentive parents who seem hell-bent on giving that child the message that he's unnoticed, unimportant, left to raise himself, and given money and access to alcohol (he was often drinking and drunk in elementary and high school!)--you've got a formula for trouble, indeed. The father does seem to want answers, but not at the expense of having to open that scary door of "How did my, and his mom's, actions play into this?" Instead, with that engineer's detachment, he's got it boiled down to: it's possibly "genetic," or drugs taken by mumduring her pregnany, or lack of Jesus. And...Creationism? Let's double down on the "God made you this way, only He can sort you out, you horror." messaging. Humans are social animals (even a misanthrope such as I needs and craves connection to loving, caring, kind, and good-humored friends. ; ) Jeffrey was plunked onto a very lonely, alienating acre. Not all lonely, alienated children resort to trying to fill that space with the equivalent of a lobotomized "companion," to be sure. But doesn't that very attempt on his part scream out to you how much he believed--to his bone marrow--that he was not worthy of love; that no one would ever *voluntarily* elect to stay with him? I see him as someone who, early on, learned to stifle his rage; actually, to stifle feelings of any sort. It's why he seems so blunted. And he knows what he did was horrible and wrong. The only thing he is comfortable with (no surprise) is to take an analytical view of his deeds, at the point of this interview. I agree about his having rage inside him. But that's walled off in a lead-lined bunker deep inside him. If you put his parents in a room with him and opened that bunker...now *there* you might learn something.
@CorporateComedy Жыл бұрын
excellent analysis and summation. in many ways youre correct, but lets not forget that he didnt start beating people to death and eating them because he was lonely. horrific violent abuse most likely caused that. he alludes to the father as the abuser in this interview. he could also be lying completely, playing the regretful damaged bad guy who can be fixed one day, in order to get out. his every world could be fiction and facade...
@southernivyrx Жыл бұрын
I think the dad was there to influence how much was divulged just using his presence
@TarynElliss Жыл бұрын
I have to mention to Mark Howden - apparently the father DID have deviant thoughts and fantasies that he somehow controlled. He talked about how he felt that he "made Jeffrey this way" because it was passed down to him. So Mark was 100% right on about the Dad having some knowledge about the internal struggle.
@Superdupafool Жыл бұрын
somebody is here after watching the show…
@s.c.7362 11 ай бұрын
Here's something you guys would find interesting. Most psychopaths love reliving their crimes in court - Bundy is a perfect example, forcing cops on the stand to describe his crime scenes in detail - but Jeff removed his glasses in court so that he wouldn't be able to see anyone. He had no problem seeing photos because he desensitized to gore as a kid and saw his victims just as larger "road kill" or objects, but for some odd reason he didn't want to be able to see anyone while in court. BTW, Jeff was sexually aroused by the sight of shiny, wet insides of animal and human organs. Jeff's distancing language is in deference to his father sitting there. He knows his dad knows it all from court, but I think he doesn't want to shame the man any more. I also think he may have been a little tired of talking about his crimes over and over. He had been a case study since his arrest and has been dissected by dozens of people. He cooperated fully from day one but I think at some point he may have just grown bored with it all. When talking about his 2nd kill, he wasn't distancing himself from it because he didn't like being connected to it. He was never charged with that murder because he had no memory of it. He always said he knew he did it but he didn't remember that one because he had been blackout drunk. And the sleeping pills he used were Halcion (triazolam), a drug that is illegal in Europe because of its amnesiac side effect. It's legal here in America and I have taken it. Trust me when I tell you, you don't remember A DAMN THING when you take that stuff. It's the quintessential date rape drug. If he accidentally drank some of Steven Tuomi's drink, then he'd have not remembered anything the next day. (His 2nd kill is the only time he beat a victim to death so there may have been a rage, but I think it was more because he was in a hotel room and had none of his kill instruments with him. His only weapons were his hands.)
@michellerobichaud2156 11 ай бұрын
Well said!
@chulemua Жыл бұрын
What Chase said about dopamine and to see where your child is putting it wow!!
@LordMondegrene Жыл бұрын
As a baby, Dahmer spent several months in an incubator fighting a severe infection. In the 1950's, doctors didn't know babies had to be touched, tickled and soothed, so many incubator babies died from "failure to thrive" which is often just a synonym for neglect. Imagine an infant, stuck in a plastic box for months, alone, being stabbed by faceless monsters with giant spikes. That was Dahmer's early childhood. His father said he went in the box a happy baby who made eye contact, and smiled back at you. He came out like a rag doll. No eye contact, no smile back. He was dead inside. That sounds like Reactive Attachment Disorder. His parents sound pretty bad, checked out, narcissistic fundamentalists who told him gays will burn. But that alone won't prevent you from ever feeling empathy. Reactive Attachment Disorder sure will. People became mere objects to him, so why not kill and eat them?
@dco1019 Жыл бұрын
.the part with being stuck in a plastic box with faceless monsters stabbing you sounds devastating to normal social development indeed.
@LordMondegrene Жыл бұрын
@@dco1019 I.V. antibiotics, from nurses wearing masks, for months...
@dco1019 Жыл бұрын
@@LordMondegrene I understood
@LordMondegrene Жыл бұрын
@@dco1019 I know. I just don't see how anybody who read Lionel Dahmer's book wouldn't see that that incubator torture as the single event that broke Jeffrey. But then my mother and two sisters are child psychologists, so I got a lot more child development stories than most do... and some of those were horror stories.
@chuckharding4564 Жыл бұрын
Not true. You are conflating Dahmer with the Unabomber 😂😂😂😂
@krissykat76 11 ай бұрын
Wondering if Jeff had been born into this time. It’s ok today to be gay, you can be into S&M (50 shades of grey), sex dolls, and I think dealing with the abandonment issues in therapy if he would’ve been different. Or was he just the perfect storm for something like this? Well never know now but I think he was a rare case and trying to figure him out is going to be a topic for years to come. This was the 90s and we’re still talking about him so. I have to say the circumstances of him getting baptized alone were supernatural. Gacy was executed, an eclipse was happening and he was baptized. I don’t think that happened by accident. Was he really religious? I don’t know but psychology, science & medicine can’t explain everything.
@mickidonahue4038 7 ай бұрын
If you're a boy being sexually abused you may feel like you re being eaten, terrified , overwhelmed. Combine that with a childhood of distance abandonment from both parents. A therapist told me abused boys tend to become abusers and girls become victims.
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
💯
@alysgrant6732 Жыл бұрын
When he mentions his mother, he states that she was with her family, not our other family members. He doesn't feel a part of the family. Since his mother was never there for him, when he found a connection with his father, it became an unhealthy connection. Then his father abandoning him after the divorce, it finally broke him.
@filukkasunivers2389 Жыл бұрын
He did mot abandon him the mother won costody over the kids but left dahmer and took hi's brother with her.
@alysgrant6732 Жыл бұрын
@@filukkasunivers2389 , yes, i know that and agree, but i wonder if he wrote off his mess of a mother years before, then connected deeply, to an unhealthy level with his father. I believe then he felt abandoned by his father, especially living so close in the hotel, and not even maintaining any contact with him. (Wow, first time i commented from my tablet, what a mess, lol. Just adjusted it on my phone).
@lelained5459 Жыл бұрын
I think he just meant that she was with her SIDE of the family, but i could be wrong 🤷
@drdreddmanofmystery9482 Жыл бұрын
I'm with Mark, I deeply dislike the dad, and I get the feeling that it wasn't the neighbor's kid who sexually assaulted Dahmer, it was his dad.
@katrinat.3032 Жыл бұрын
That’s what I think. And if you are raised by a narcissist, you ma not have a good sense of self. Seems like he got no love, When he talked about going out and finding someone to act out his fantasy, I felt like he was going to say “ I’m going to do to him just like it was done to me” but he stopped himself
@decorateddeerskull Жыл бұрын
For someone who uses distancing language a ton to subtle transfer blame. I feel willing to believe Dahmer when he says an event that could be passively blamed for everything didn't happen.
@albino5995 Жыл бұрын
It almost seems like his dad is there to make sure he doesn’t say certain things 🤔
@Julia-uh4li Жыл бұрын
@@albino5995 Oh no no no, absolutely not (imo). At this point for Jeffery, his father means nothing to him! As a threat. I believe he wouldn't dance around it and his dad is, by no means, there to make sure certain "somethings" aren't said. That makes no sense. I mean, really think about the reasons why you came to that conclusion. And I l did try, a couple different angles after reading your and the other comment. But it just doesn't make sense. Imo Cheers x
@andronymous31 Жыл бұрын
I agree, Dredd. I noticed that all while Dahmer was talking about his dad, his dad was staring straight at the interviewer, like he was making sure he was buying it. I can tell you which one I'd rather have coffee with.
@fintan3563 10 ай бұрын
Jeff’s prison uniform is green. It is always green. The father visits monthly and knows the uniform is green. The father shows up in green. Coincidence? Unconscious choice?
@kathleenhebert2278 9 ай бұрын
His biggest supporter!
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
Daddy is a sicko on so many levels & the matching outfits just take the creepy factor up a notch. I think the father got pleasure in having his son act out his own monster tendencies. BuyMyBookDad did a great job selling his narrative to Netflix though!
@rosamondbovey4497 Жыл бұрын
The father is the person to really watch. Something very weird going on
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
💯
@newmoon1839 Жыл бұрын
I would be very interested to look at Paul Bernardo and especially Karla Homolka!
@la1930 Жыл бұрын
I've messaged them same question 🇨🇦👋🕊️⚖️
@S2375wattage 8 ай бұрын
Stone Phillips (the interviewer) was a smart guy. He went to Yale and then went straight into journalism for his entire career. He did a great job here.
@gwenb4531 6 ай бұрын
Here it is a year later, we know Dahmer was killed in prison on 1984, his mother died in 2000, his brother changed his name and moved away. His father just died 5 days ago on Dec 5, 2023. They are all gone and hopefully will be forgotten. His father was hiding secrets.
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
Lots of family secrets indeed. I wonder how the brother is doing & hope he got some good therapy 🙏
@auroraborealis3432 3 ай бұрын
1994
@cutzymccall7675 Жыл бұрын
I think the fact that his father and he would pick up road kill and dissect it together could have been the key to everything. They were “buddies in death.” Think about it: teaching a kid to take apart dead animals…ugh.
@steratorefriends6596 Жыл бұрын
Not that much different from growing up hunting and fishing. Don't think it would've been a factor if he had a healthy childhood otherwise. And his genetic predisposition obviously didn't help
@cynthiatirado1568 Жыл бұрын
His dad was a scientist
@marthawoodworth Жыл бұрын
Except that Jeffrey actually said that this was a huge influence. Not that his father created the monster in him; but this experience was one thing that brought it out. Other kids who hunt with their fathers would not be effected by it in a violent way.
@williamkoscielniak7871 Жыл бұрын
There isn't anything wrong with dissenting animals for research. It may not be something most people are into, but it's not like he was torturing animals. He was dissecting animals that were already dead.
@stephaniegilcher4577 Жыл бұрын
His father did not know about the roadkill. He said in an Interview that if he had known it would have been a red flag
@benphartine Жыл бұрын
10:30 interview begins. 26:07 interview continues 38:43 next 49:00 next 58:27 next 1:05:57 next 1:15:53 next 1:27:41 next 1:38:43 last replay
@lisaadams6753 Жыл бұрын
That silent control- that dark retractor beam coming out of the Dad - is the scariest thing for me. Are there any confrontational interviews with just the dad where we could see his dark side come out more? Ugh.
@PaperclipProphets 4 ай бұрын
💯Dad was the monster behind the scenes for sure.
@Robeerose01 Жыл бұрын
It’s horrible all the things he did without a doubt… but I feel sorry for him and I do feel like he has remorse. His father is a real monster! Mark your so right! Writing a book about his son! Seriously? So gross! Great video guys.💓
@glion7792 Жыл бұрын
I think his dad was truly sad about the freak he created.
@katgirlblue Жыл бұрын
Me too. I know he did the most horrific things possible and those families of the victims he murdered will never be the same, but still part of me does feel sorry for him. He doesn't seem like other serial killers, who relished being in the spotlight and were devoid of feeling. Jeff actually said - anything I say will sound trite, nothing can express the sorrow I feel - I think he did feel sorrow, and I don't think any other serial killer ever felt that or used that word. Also, he understood that anything he said would sound trite to them, whereas I don't think any of the others even considered how the families of their victims would feel, or even considered that they had feelings at all.
@DarhaLB Жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. I too feel sorry for him. Of course…. He did evil things but I truly feel sorry for him
@TheoWren Жыл бұрын
@@katgirlblue - he honestly looked and sounded genuinely sad when he talked about that. i think he felt as bad as he possibly could - which wasn’t a whole lot of upfront emotion, considering he’d spent so many years detaching and dissociating. but for him, it was the most he could feel. he did say at one point that he wondered why he didn’t feel worse about what he’d done, which makes me think it was something that concerned him. and considering how his murder of steven hicks devastated him and haunted him for years, even contributing strongly to his worsening alcoholism.. i do think there were some vestiges of a conscience there. it just wasn’t nearly strong enough to overpower his addiction to keeping human bodies with him. his way of coping was to detach, detach, detach, and over time, it just ended up becoming second nature. at a certain point, i wonder if he became unable to do anything else. the whole case is just a massive tragedy all around. it’s worst by far for the victims - thanks to jeff’s selfishness, they can never come back. each of those family members has a piece of their heart ripped out for good; children who never grew up, descendants that will never be born, entire lines of family that will never exist because of what this one man chose to do. but it’s also just awful to see a person like jeff just.. degrade into utter depravity. someone who could’ve potentially been steered onto a better path if only he’d cared enough to accept help. but instead, he wrecked his own life and the lives of countless others around him. the whole thing is unbelievably depressing.
@thenakednarcissist4838 Жыл бұрын
The Netflix actor did a brilliant job of portraying him in 'Dahmer'.
@kimmyfreak200 Жыл бұрын
evan peters has always been an amazing actor..not afraid to go to super dark places as an actor...very serious actor too..can't wait to watch myself i know everything about the dahmer case
@haleyottolini4268 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s possible (whether consciously, or unconsciously) he was taking away control from the father by saying “I and I alone am responsible” ... and suddenly at that point is when the dad jumps in with a leading question and in doing so is saying well, even your thought on responsibility was formed because of me”. It’s a very odd and subtle power/control struggle.
@katkatkatkat463 Жыл бұрын
omg great observation. covert narcissistic abuse. i think jeff never believed he was abused because he had no words for it and was heavily gaslit.
@bluemountainw1789 Жыл бұрын
You couldn’t be more wrong lol his dad felt GUILTY and said he couldn’t help but feel it’s his fault because he is his parent and he loves him.
@BP-cx7og Жыл бұрын
I'm not saying the mother was a good mother, but the doctors never found anything wrong with her for all Lionel alleged at the time, "convulsions," etc.; it all came from Lionel's mouth how she needed medication and how she had problems, etc. Joyce wrote about Jeffrey before dying; it's in the book "The Silent Victims: The Aftermath of Failed Children on Their Mothers' Lives". People never question Lionel's words as he portrays himself like a normal person and he has is credentials in chemistry etc. Deep inside, for me, he is the real villain.
@tiffanyreyna6949 Жыл бұрын
It’s a curious thing as to why she would leave one child behind and not the other. There were so many factors that come into play with Dahmer’s home life. Whether she was mentally stable or not, rejection and abandonment from his mother had to be a part of it.
@BP-cx7og Жыл бұрын
@@tiffanyreyna6949 There were several problems in that family for sure. Joyce abandoned him but gave him a chance to go with her; she even begged him to go. Lionel and his wife Shari left him, and he never asked Jeffrey to join them. Joyce begged him to come with her and David when she was about to leave their house. Patrick Kennedy (the cop who interrogated Jeffrey for an extended period of time) stated: "Jeffrey just stood there and was "frozen" so she just decided to leave without him, paranoid that Lionel would catch them leave." (you can also find this in the book "Shrine of Jeffrey") Joyce tried to get Jeffrey to go to California, but he did not want to. (He later regretted not going there and wished he did instead of working at the Ambrosia, which was noted in a letter he sent to Joyce from prison.). I'm not saying she doesn't have any problems. Still, there are a lot of things that could be improved about the Netflix series and misconceptions overall. For me, Lionel was always trying to get attention, and it was indeed something like, "look, I'm a good father; look at me here saying all these things for you to believe me while I try to hide what I don't want anyone to know."
@BP-cx7og Жыл бұрын
@@krystalroxX7 There were several problems in that family for sure. Joyce abandoned him but gave him a chance to go with her; she even begged him to go. Lionel and his wife Shari left him, and he never asked Jeffrey to join them. Joyce begged him to come with her and David when she was about to leave their house. Patrick Kennedy (the cop who interrogated Jeffrey for an extended period of time) stated: "Jeffrey just stood there and was "frozen" so she just decided to leave without him, paranoid that Lionel would catch them leave." (you can also find this in the book "Shrine of Jeffrey") Joyce tried to get Jeffrey to go to California, but he did not want to. (He later regretted not going there and wished he did instead of working at the Ambrosia, which was noted in a letter he sent to Joyce from prison.). I'm not saying she doesn't have any problems. Still, there are a lot of things that could be improved about the Netflix series and misconceptions overall. For me, Lionel was always trying to get attention, and it was indeed something like, "look, I'm a good father; look at me here saying all these things for you to believe me while I try to hide what I don't want anyone to know."
@kellyellmaker2521 Жыл бұрын
When the biggest psychopath in the room isn’t the cannibalistic necropheliac… 😬
@kelcritcarroll Жыл бұрын
Yes🤣yeah!
@Aquarius444K Жыл бұрын
right! Yiiiiikes lol
@kathynicholson103 Жыл бұрын
I just can't get over how soft spoken and mild mannered he is! It's so hard to reconcile his presentation with what he did.
@lynnz4874 8 ай бұрын
OCPD & BPD The reason he wanted to have full control was he had major adversion to abandonment. His parents had basically emotionally abandoned him, and during their divorce each thought the other had him so he lived alone for a while without them realizing they had both left him behind. That’s just one example of how his parents emotionally abandoned him so he needed to Zombify his sex partners because he could not emotionally connect with them nor deal with them leaving. And on top of that had heavy shame about his homosexuality. He ate them after reading about different cultures, where eating the organs or certain parts was a way to carry the person with you forever. So it was symbolic and another form of control over the other person, preventing them from ever being able to leave him.
@souptrap3795 Жыл бұрын
The father to me seems like a definite narcissist. You can see him hold back the anger when Jeffrey insinuates the means to and end was because he had no power as a child. But the moment Jeffrey gives his father back the power by saying it's all his own fault his father grins with narcissist excitement. I would bet Jeffrey was heavily abused as a child and possibly even sexually assaulted in the name of religion.
@wiffley Жыл бұрын
If you look at the court testimony of the victim who got away, and got Dahlmer arrested, he says he kept changing personalities from a nice, normal guy to something quite different. What we see in interviews is nice, normal Geoff...but this is only part of the picture.
@noellenns Жыл бұрын
Right! What really blew me away was how he said he kept changing, like his posture would change, his voice, and facial expression. Really crazy stuff.
@babymae2222 Жыл бұрын
Well if I was trying to kill someone and threaten them to do what I needed them to do. I certainly wouldn’t be asking nicely! He also said he seemed confused. This man was living inside of his head since he was a child. Never being able to express himself completely.
@drawingwithlauren6730 Жыл бұрын
I think his father is still trying to control him. That’s why he visits him so much in prison, to maintain some type of control or space in his son’s head. If JD’s main reason for doing the things he did was control, it is interesting that his Dad wrote a book about the actions his son took to gain that control. Taking the spot light off of his son and putting it partially on himself is just one more way to demonstrate his control over his son. It’s no longer his thing, it’s our thing.
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
That's not what the book is about
@Daisy_Duke Жыл бұрын
I thought JD died years ago 🤔
@ericsacks5731 Жыл бұрын
He can't visit him no more he dead
@filukkasunivers2389 Жыл бұрын
I disagree
@WABP860 Жыл бұрын
@@Daisy_Duke he did
@tiffanyh1274 Ай бұрын
Scott is hilarious in this😂. He’s so freaked out by this guy.. But that is spot on. Even if you didn’t know this guy was a killer, there’s something about the way he talks and moves that makes you feel very uneasy.
@marykeough9136 5 ай бұрын
He pointed at the box as a passive aggressive dig at his father in response to his dad hugging him, i felt.
@juliehurst6042 Жыл бұрын
Could you guys analyze Charles Manson and "his girls?" So fascinating that would be.
@beyondthechaos3134 Жыл бұрын
Or the San Quentin interview. Would also love to hear the BHP take on his statements and reasoning. Manson is fascinating.
@ComradeFromRhody401 Жыл бұрын
Those girls were histrionic I bet
@annette2892 Жыл бұрын
He is ashamed, but would do it again in a minute. I also think he's full of rage; he beat a man to death in a blackout.
@polarbearsaysyummy5845 4 ай бұрын
I worked at a juvenile correctional facility. We had a kid from an affluent suburb in for a sax crime. Turned out that his adopted father had been sexualy abusing him from day one. Despite this the family was allowed to adopt another infant boy. This father was the cheapest person I ever met. JD's father, and I use this term lightly, is just as creepy as father I described above. So many hints that JD's father is an abuser... A) He wrote a book. B) He basically blamed all the family dysfunction on his first wife. C) His second wife, advocated for how Jeff, not Jeffrey, was being wrongfully being portrayed in the media. D) Seriously Jeffrey's Dad and Mother had a long legal fight over his cremations. Simple each gets half. E) JD ultimately took responsibility for his crimes. His father will never take responsibility for his crimes.
@TeaSpiracy 4 ай бұрын
F) He also recorded his conversations with Jeffrey and later shared them with media. G) Then, let's not forget ge abandoned him alone at home assuming he was fine, when he clearly wasn't. His first kill happened when both his parents left the family home and he had to fend for himself (as a teen not asmall child.)
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