Versus Series: Anakin Skywalker Vs. General Grievous (Re-upload)

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Jensaarai One

Jensaarai One

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly due to the sample audio from the 2003 Clone Wars microseries that I included in the final edit, the original upload of Anakin Skywalker versus General Grievous has been blocked. Fortunately, I still have the project file saved in my editing software, which made re-editing exceptionally easy. Furthermore, I decided to take this opportunity to re-record the voiceover, as the original audio was taken while I was dealing with some microphone troubles. However, I will be following the original script, as my opinion on this match-up has not changed.
As I stated in the original, my overall analysis will be based purely upon pre-2008 Legends continuity material, specifically omitting the 2008 Clone Wars animated series. In essense, the numerous and arbitrary retcons of TCW took what was previously one of the most tightly plotted and internally consistent timeframes within the Expanded Universe, where every event and storyline was given an exact date down to the week, and reduced it to a muddled sliding scale continuity defined by simplistic and contrived plotlines centered around a childish moral.
Where the original Clone Wars microseries kept its portrayal of Anakin Skywalker consistent with the films while also going a long way towards salvaging that version of the character, TCW reduced Anakin to a bland heroic charicature, with only the most token lipservice paid to his emerging Dark Side tendancies, and he was otherwise almost completely sidelined in favor of Ahsoka Tano. As for General Grievous, his portrayal remains consistent with the films in the worst possible way, continuing his downward spiral into ineffectual slapstick villainy. Even the episodes where he is meant to be taken seriously reduce him to fleeing for his life or play his dismemberments for laughs.
But more than anything else, my intention with this match-up is to cater to my generation of Star Wars fans, the children of the nineties who grew up with the Prequel Trilogy. This is Anakin Skywalker and General Grievous as they were for someone stepping into the cinema in 2005 after just having finished watching the Clone Wars microseries.
My analysis of Anakin Skywalker and General Grievous will be drawn from their appearances in the Star Wars prequel trilogy, including the novelizations, comics, and visual dictionaries, the Clone Wars microseries and its tie-in digest comics, the 2002 Clone Wars video game, the Star Wars: Republic comic series, the General Grievous comic miniseries, the Visionaries anthology, and the New Essential Guides to Chronology, Alien Species, Droids, Weapons and Technology, and The Force, among many others.
Anakin Skywalker and General Grievous, accomplished warriors and murderous butchers, with hands drenched in blood.
If these two titans of the Clone Wars ever met on the battlefield, who would win?
References & Citations:
The New Essential Guide to Characters - Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, Pg 155 - [09:04]
The New Essential Guide to Droids - General Grievous, Pg 196 - [16:57]
The Dark Side Sourcebook - Chapter Five: Dark Side Traditions - Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, Pg 91 - [19:41]
Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force - Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker, Pg 48 - [29:04]
Fightsaber: Jedi Lightsaber Combat (article) - [30:21], [30:31], [33:19]
The Complete Visual Dictionary - [11:19], [14:04], [29:24], [29:49], [35:52]
Attack of the Clones (novelization) - Chapter 8 - [21:28]
Jedi Trial - Chapter 9 - [11:46], [33:50]
Labyrinth of Evil - [13:35], [13:39], [27:17], [34:20], [39:03], [39:19], [39:40], [40:13], [41:16], [43:14], [43:36], [47:01]
Revenge of the Sith (novelization) - [09:52], [10:14], [16:12], [20:14], [20:52], [21:14], [21:46], [30:53], [31:41], [36:04], [36:15], [37:55], [38:15], [38:40], [40:47]
Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader - Part IV: Kashyyyk - Chapter 43 - [17:23]
Star Wars Tech (documentary) - Rob Coleman, animation director, "Episodes I, II, III" - [13:06]
Clone Wars Chapter 22 - [42:01]
Catalogue of Darth Vader's amputations - [11:55]

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@ariesstorm9577
@ariesstorm9577 3 жыл бұрын
Obi-Wan: “Anakin, this hand is your life.” Anakin: “Meh.”
@wanderingshade8383
@wanderingshade8383 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin's right arm has been through a LOT of amputations, hasn't it...
@andrewkippenhan5494
@andrewkippenhan5494 3 жыл бұрын
Technically his right arm only went through one dismemberment. All the replacement parts after, yeah they got put through the wringer.
@hk-4738
@hk-4738 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just a little disappointed that you left out: "Anakin Skywalker vs General Grievous is a fight that I think we all can agree should have happened. Some of you have asked me if it's possible for me to make a video without complaining about TCW - and my answer is "no" - it's my video, I can do what I want."
@robgeorge4581
@robgeorge4581 3 жыл бұрын
Lol that line was great. A shame Jensaarai1 left it out.
@MrSnakekaplan
@MrSnakekaplan 3 жыл бұрын
Don't always agree with the verdicts but... that line hit real close to home. It's a channel for the more hardcore fans as opposed to the cash in channels like 'star wars theory' that have clearly never read any material.
@hk-4738
@hk-4738 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSnakekaplan Agreed.
@Jensaarai1
@Jensaarai1 3 жыл бұрын
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@robgeorge4581
@robgeorge4581 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jensaarai1 Ask and Jensaarai1 delivers.
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 3 жыл бұрын
I have mixed feelings about TCW anakin. On the one hand it’s the version of the character I think everyone originally wanted to see in the films and is more sympathetic, but it’s impossible to deny that the micro series version gives anakin a deeper emotional depth while maintaining his film portrayal and in a way improves that version of the character we were given.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Some friends of mine call tcw Anakin "gary stu Anakin" lol.
@Nephalem2002
@Nephalem2002 3 жыл бұрын
Mix of Both honestly. Also Gary Stues never lose, never give in to temptations, always do the right thing? Anakin is far from that.
@laisphinto6372
@laisphinto6372 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nephalem2002 Filoni just straight up skipped his development and worse gets praise by TCW fan boys for it
@austinjohnsen4430
@austinjohnsen4430 2 жыл бұрын
@@laisphinto6372 Agreed for the most part. We don’t even get to see what led to Anakin becoming a Jedi Knight so early in the war. In fact, there’s a lot of things we never got to see. Like how Obi Wan and Anakin became familiar with Asajj Ventress in this new canon.
@jkthedudeman
@jkthedudeman 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but they still didn't go far enough with his dark side tendencies. The Anakin in the films was pathetic and immature. And TCW didn't do much to change that. If you ask me, Anakin should have been written as a much more Exar Kun esque character. With lots of raw talent and an arrogant attitude. But with a much more sinister dark side bend. Not just a childish bad temper. Its hard for me to see the immature Anakin in the films (and TCW) suddenly becoming a bad ass, cunning, and incredibly powerful Darth Vader overnight. I just can't connect the two. The transition isn't believable at all.
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
*Jensaarai reuploads* "It's an older one sir, but it checks out"
@hiqpandorasbox9970
@hiqpandorasbox9970 3 жыл бұрын
This is elite
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiqpandorasbox9970 *tips fedora*
@robgeorge4581
@robgeorge4581 3 жыл бұрын
It was a shame, the old video got deleted. But its awesome you re uploaded this. And oh my, a new TCW rant. Nice. As for this specific matchup, my stance hasn't changed, this is still a coin toss.
@robgeorge4581
@robgeorge4581 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the heart Jensaarai1!!! Btw, while my memory of your original isn't perfect, I do notice some differences in your dialogue. Previously you called Grevious being a mix of Lucian Draay and Exar Kun and now you consider him a mix of Dooku and Kun. In general, I like these changes.
@therishimazefanatic1439
@therishimazefanatic1439 3 жыл бұрын
@@robgeorge4581 I absolutely love every rant he comes up with. I actually enjoy some episodes of the series but they handled certain characters poorly.
@samuelbumgardner5518
@samuelbumgardner5518 3 жыл бұрын
Hi jensarai1 I’ve been watching your videos since I was just 9 years old I’m 16 and about to be 17 in 8 days I would just like to say thank you for making these videos and keeping up the good content. You have taught me so much about Star Wars and I would just like to say thank you and may the force be with you.
@samuelbumgardner5518
@samuelbumgardner5518 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man
@duh5359
@duh5359 3 жыл бұрын
Started watching around 14 I think... I'm 20 now
@FYouUp69
@FYouUp69 3 жыл бұрын
Happy birthday Samuel 🍺🍺🤘🤘
@theoldhermit2601
@theoldhermit2601 2 жыл бұрын
Similar for me. Started when I was 9 or 10 or so, and am gonna turn 19 in August. His channel also introduced me to the Expanded Universe, characters like Exar Kun, Malgus, Krayt, etc. His channel is a big part of my development as a star wars fan
@samuelbumgardner5518
@samuelbumgardner5518 2 жыл бұрын
@@theoldhermit2601 yep same here thanks to him Darth Malgus has been one of my favorite Sith Lords for awhile now
@jackolantern147
@jackolantern147 2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason why Palpatine would never allow Grievous and Anakin to meet in a ground battle. Fearing his prized monster would kill his ultimate apprentice.
@HankTank81
@HankTank81 Жыл бұрын
Lol theres a bot on this one year old video
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 Жыл бұрын
Yet Sidiious had no issue of pinning Anakin against Dooku who was even more powerful and deadly then Grievous.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Жыл бұрын
@@matthewmann8969 the context for anakin and dooku’s battle was considerably different. 1. Sidious knew anakin would have help from kenobi when facing the count. 2. Much more importantly, Sidious actually gave Dooku instructions to not kill anakin. And goaded him into thinking they’d recruit him into a another acolyte esqe lackey once he was pushed into using the dark side.
@giovanniciccone1323
@giovanniciccone1323 11 ай бұрын
@@GreaterGrievobeast55dooku was still trying to fight him near the end as he realized he couldn’t handle anakin power
@giovanniciccone1323
@giovanniciccone1323 11 ай бұрын
@@GreaterGrievobeast55I mean still near the end dooku was quite literally fighting for his life
@Tracer_Krieg
@Tracer_Krieg 3 жыл бұрын
One issue I have with Anakin Skywalker in Legends is ironically the same one I have with his TCW counterpart: his knighting is in the wrong place. If TCW made Anakin turn into his RotS version far too quickly, then Legends made it happen too late. Simply put, by making Anakin's knighting 2 and half years into the war, it stunts his character by making him just a slightly more mature version of his AotC. Then with his knighting, he magically gets hair style change and shifts completely as a character in just 6 months. If Jabiim couldn't change Anakin substantially over two years, then 6 months ain't gonna do it either. Worse, it contradicts the Micro Series depiction, as it is made very clear that his knighting in the show happens right after the Battle of Hypori as a response to General Grievous' appearance and the lack of active Jedi Knights. I think a better solution would've been to just follow Tartakovsky's depiction, and have his knighting happen at the end of the first year of the war; giving him two years of independent command to slowly turn him into his Revenge of the Sith self. Additionally, it makes his demand in the movie to be made a master even more ridiculous: he's only be a Knight for months and now he wants to be a Jedi Master? It makes more sense for him to have been a Knight at least for a few years before making such a demand.
@Caxkj0
@Caxkj0 2 жыл бұрын
Hold on, where does it say his Knighting in TCW happened two years into the war? It's always been a common estimate his Knighting still happened around the same time as his 2003 counterpart. TCW started only about a year into the war.
@ItsSupercat94
@ItsSupercat94 2 жыл бұрын
But isn't that what happens? Wasn't he knighted right after ep 2 than had three years to develop into rots anakin?
@AndreVeaseyJr
@AndreVeaseyJr 3 жыл бұрын
I come off of work and Jensaari gifts another video. "This is where the fun begins."
@bluehero-96
@bluehero-96 3 жыл бұрын
It's an older fun sir, but it checks out.
@lapplandkun9273
@lapplandkun9273 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a reupload. I’m conflicted. Just as anakin was when palaptine ordered him to kill dooku
@Manda-LORE
@Manda-LORE 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jensaarai, just to let you know, I had a copyright claim on one of my videos for a clip I used of Anakin's knighting in CW and I disputed it and won. You might be lucky too, just for future reference
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
Oh hey ! Fancy meeting you here ! Yes, the Maus keeps being a scumbag....
@ariesstorm9577
@ariesstorm9577 3 жыл бұрын
What I don’t understand is, why is the house of mouse concerned about you or Jensaarai1 using a clip from a Star Wars product they no longer view as part of their canon? “Dangerous and disturbing this puzzle is.”
@raphaelhanna8345
@raphaelhanna8345 3 жыл бұрын
its awesome to see you on jensaarai1's videos i always enjoy watching your videos and you actually helped me with learning about pre-3d clone wars lore i love your channel
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Thadd, I think you also need to send your visual outline of how TCW wrecked the old EU to Evannova95 and other versus channels. They need to see how much TCW destroyed
@Bronasaxon
@Bronasaxon 3 жыл бұрын
Another long-time fan here. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your video analysis and for keeping not only Pre-Disney, but pre-TCW Star Wars lore alive.
@benwelsh5265
@benwelsh5265 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to see this video revived and revamped. I remember the conclusion of this one surprised me but that may be because I spent so long exposed to the absolute joke that is Grevious's portrayal in TCW I'd forgotten he was originally portrayed as a badass general and lethal Jedi killer.
@rory2698
@rory2698 3 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree about Anakin's utilization of the force in this fight, ESPECIALLY if its late - Clone Wars Anakin. Not only has Anakin been shown to effectively utilize the force in a fight against a physically superior opponent, but he's used it creatively and while enraged. A good first example of this being his win over Durge that was briefly referenced. First Anakin used the Gen dai's own explosives against him via telekinetic throw. Then Anakin lurged the staggered Durge to an escape pod which he then force propelled into a star. Durge is easily comparable to Grievous in strength and speed, but has better durability and endurance due to his insane healing abilities. Grievous offers nothing that Durge didn't already bring to the table, except lightsabers. Then you have Anakin's round 2 fight against Asajj Ventriss, where as you suggested Anakin's mental and emotional weakness was exploited by her Dun Moch. BUT instead of doubling down on swordplay as theorized, Anakin just started using the force to finish her. So Grievous getting into Anakin's head isn't going to circumvent his force powers either. Really the only exception to this is Anakin's fight with Obi Wan on Mustafar, which quite frankly is more due to PIS than any advantage Kenobi had. We all know that plot demanded Obi Wan to survive another couple decades. Otherwise Anakin would simply break Obi Wan's force barrier, like other less powerful force users have and then ragdoll his former master. After which Anakin would shuffle on over to Sidius and call it a night. But like "TPM Maul vs Kenobi", Plot>>>>>>Logic.
@jpraise6771
@jpraise6771 2 жыл бұрын
its almost like he's biased towards a non-movie prime grievous. All imma say is if you re watch the obi wan vs grievous fight, you'll see how he swings first and thinks later. And if Anakin lasted that long against Obi wan(arguably stronger than him actually), then what would that tell you
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Жыл бұрын
@@jpraise6771 i’m confused by your statement of “non-movie prime grievous.” Are you saying movie grievous should be used when it’s more than likely not his prime condition given his recent ling injuries within legends? I might need to rewatch the video again but I thought he was taking the ROTS novel fight into consideration as well, which his move set could be argues as being more thought about albeit still wild. More importantly though he was going much _much_ faster than he was in the movie version as well.
@jpraise6771
@jpraise6771 Жыл бұрын
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 yeah I was saying the movie version is the true cannon of grievous, and using the fact that obi wan had defeated him so handedly to prove Anakin's superiority
@gameovervirus2384
@gameovervirus2384 3 жыл бұрын
Jensaarai1 before I begin I’d just like to say I’m a big fan and I personally think that you are *the* versus series channel for Star Wars. Your analysis as you have stated yourself is bibliographical, giving us an understanding of the characters over the course of their life. But I think the key aspect of your analysis that is still unparalleled is your ability to figure out the specific strengths and weaknesses in the characters you study, and also figuring out exactly how there fighting style works on an essentially microscopic level. You then take that to the enth degree as you analyze how the two combat styles would interact with each other. While someone like Antoine Bandele or EvanNova95 would simply find who was stronger or had more skills at their disposal, with none of your particular nuance or understanding. An example of what I am going on about is your versus battle of Darth Malgus vs Darth Krayt (vector). Stating that Malgus was essentially a freeform fighter who took inspiration from forms I, III, V, and VII. Essentially Malgus created a fighting style that was a bunch of interchangeable puzzle pieces that could be used to creatively dominate the opponent. While with Krayt he was a Niman specialist who layered multiple skill configurations into one vessel, maximizing the ability of his one distinct style by making it as versatile and powerful as possible. *This* is why I think you are the best versus series creator out there. But to get to the point I was looking through your versus series videos and I realized their was one popular duelist you have never covered. Darth Sidious. Considering your experience covering extremely powerful characters such as Vader, Yoda, Plagueis, Luke, Bane, and most importantly Krayt, I see no reason why you would have any reservations about covering the character. So Jensaarai1, I challenge you to do Darth Sidious vs. Darth Krayt (post resurrection).
@tnntaronewsnetwork4514
@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I’d love to see it. Palpatine is one of those characters that you generally have to one shot or you get one shot. It’s very hard to find a fair match for him. Another video that would be interesting is if the battle against Abeloth would have ended different with Luke and Sideous instead of Luke and Krayt
@ariesstorm9577
@ariesstorm9577 3 жыл бұрын
Which version of Darth Sidious would be the best match for Darth Krayt? If he used the resurrected Krayt from the Legacy: War arc, would he be facing ROTS era Sidious, ROTJ Sidious, or the clone from Dark Empire (a “resurrected” Palpatine of sorts)? Either way, I too would love to see Jensaarai1 dissect and analyse Darth Sidious in a versus video.
@wristofkings
@wristofkings 3 жыл бұрын
@@ariesstorm9577 I feel like ROTS Sidious and Reborn Krayt are a very even match and that fight could go either way. ROTJ Sidious and DE Palpatine are both superior to Krayt as Force users and are significant threats to him before even picking up a lightsaber.
@OfficialRaveBlitz
@OfficialRaveBlitz 3 жыл бұрын
YES! Thank you for re-uploading this Jen'!
@morlath4767
@morlath4767 3 жыл бұрын
I eagerly watched this despite it being a reupload. I love your work and how you analyse each character individually and against each other, while your breakdown of exactly why you don't use certain versions (TCW) is always thought-provoking. I look forward to seeing more from you when you have the chance and I hope you're keeping safe and well in this insane year.
@jackmurphy1783
@jackmurphy1783 3 жыл бұрын
5th, I remember being so excited for the first time I saw this video a few years ago, great video as always
@SUPERBRETTASTIC5
@SUPERBRETTASTIC5 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making great Star Wars content still🙏🏼
@swagbitouchiha9291
@swagbitouchiha9291 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos dude! Every time I see your upload or reupload I always smile. Keep up your great work and passion towards the Star Wars EU
@boxingdegenerate9077
@boxingdegenerate9077 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pissed off at what the clone wars did to Grevious. They made the man weaker than Kit Fisto, Assajj Ventress, and they made him beat Nahdar Veb (Tier 5 combatant) only by trickery. I much prefer the movie, novel, legends, and 2003 clone wars adaptation. He’s most definitely on the levels of Anakin Skywalker (Although in my opinion Anakin wins)
@gameovervirus2384
@gameovervirus2384 3 жыл бұрын
Why do you think he wins? I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just curious.
@tompossessed1729
@tompossessed1729 3 жыл бұрын
@@gameovervirus2384 not win but not get rekt
@justyouraveragejoe9454
@justyouraveragejoe9454 3 жыл бұрын
Just curious, where do you find that Vebb was a Tier 5?
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 3 жыл бұрын
In TCW they pretty much took the ROTS version of Grievous but turned up the dial past ten on him.
@gameovervirus2384
@gameovervirus2384 3 жыл бұрын
@@ironinquisitor3656 what do you mean?
@darkarpatron
@darkarpatron 3 жыл бұрын
YES! This is one of my favourite videos of yours and I'm so happy to see you re-upload it. Damn happy to see this again.
@2TCHOLMES
@2TCHOLMES 3 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree regarding Anakin’s portrayal in TCW; I think that was the best portrayal as it balanced both sides of the character pretty well - his human side as well as his dark side. When it showed his dark side, they were always impactful. As for his relationship with Ahsoka, I feel it showed a new side to him, and gave his fall to the dark side more depth. As for Grievous, while his defeat by Gungans might be ridiculous on the surface, we shouldn’t forget Gungans have a weapon that is highly effective against droids; and Grevious is mostly droid. In fact, hit him with an EMP blast and he’s utterly helpless. All that being said, having seen the original version of this match-up, let me also say it is awesome, and I look forward to more. And I hope I came off as respectful.
@graviton6436
@graviton6436 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer anakin’s portrayal in TCW as well. Anakin has always been portrayed as a compassionate and kind person as shown in the phantom menace. TCW showed how someone like anakin who cared deeply about his friends and loved ones can be tainted by the dark side slowly over time to become what we eventually come to know as Darth Vader.
@albedo5455
@albedo5455 3 жыл бұрын
The reason that Grievous losing to Gungans was stupid was the fact that he was taunting and toying with them rather than blitzing them or running away. Grievous should know what kinds of weapons they have but instead makes stupid decisions.
@wristofkings
@wristofkings 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin's overall portrayal in TCW is pretty excellent (especially compared to the prequel movies), but it doesn't really tell us anything about him that the 2003 microseries didn't already show us and in a more concise manner. And while I actually enjoy Ahsoka Tano as a character, making her Anakin's padawan was a creative mistake and inconsistent with what we know about his character from the previous material.
@jamespuso1627
@jamespuso1627 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, and I would also add that the dark side of Anakin we see in TCW is definitely more Vader like than what we saw before. Heck if this is end TCW Anakin vs CW Grievous this match-up probably goes the other way since that Anakin and focus his anger and he goes for his force abilities and just ragdolls his enemies like the Jedi Grievous faced typically. That Anakin just exploded
@swagbitouchiha9291
@swagbitouchiha9291 3 жыл бұрын
I actually agree with Jen's opinion on TCW Anakin. The way the old EU handled Anakin was a slow organic growth from the insufferable teenager in we see in Episode 2 to the Badass we see in Episode 3. The problem with TCW is that it starts Anakin off closer to how he is depicted in Episode 3 and according to the timeline, The Battle of Christophis takes place around a few weeks to a few months after Episode 2. Which doesn't make any sense in how Anakin quickly matured. I like Ahsoka Tano but she should have been Plo Koon's padawan. There was no reason to set her up with Anakin and the explanation for it was really stupid. Every time she is paired with Anakin she takes the spotlight over him. I would also agrue that Obi-Wan had way more character development than Anakin in TCW. The only substantial development Anakin went through was the Mortis Arc(Which was dismissed as a fever dream by Kenobi, Tano, and Skywalker) and when Ahsoka left the order. Overall I feel that Legends does a way better job with Anakin's growth compared to TCW
@edwaiwood2416
@edwaiwood2416 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for spelling it out brother. Children of the 90s who grew up in the 2000s with the prequel era.
@LegiyonEhellout
@LegiyonEhellout 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad this is back!
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh the master listens and then obliges. Thanks for bringing this back, Connor.
@sovereign23-1
@sovereign23-1 3 жыл бұрын
You and your team never cease to amaze
@danmarusan2878
@danmarusan2878 3 жыл бұрын
Since Anakin would be no were near as conflicted in this fight as he was when fighting Obi Wan, he can use his full streangth in the force and since he allready killed Count Dooku when he was send to destroy Grievous, Anakin allready proved that he's more than capeable of beating him. Obi Wan surely told Anakin of his numerous fights against Grievous, which means Anakin knows what his opponent is capeable of. No four arm supprise, no ignorance regarding his opponent's skill as a duelist, no ambush with undermining Anakin's force abilities by fear tactics. If he is put under pressure Anakin gets angry as fck and will reduce the General to scrap metal with the force. Since he's not conflicted or blinded by rage or the dark side he will remember Obi Wan's words and therefor Grievous's fighting style+Anakin is familiar with Jar'Kai allready since he learned and used it himself and dealt with it when he fought Ventress. All what Grievous can do is lightsaber combat paired with hand to hand combat. Against the force of opponents bringing the fight to him he's utterly helpless. Anakin is not stupid. If he's not fast enough to overwhelm Grievous with his speed alone he will use the force to tear him appart. Since Palpatine wanted him to be his apprentice he would not risk sending Anakin to his death, which can be concidered an unoffical confirmation that Anakin would crush Grievous if he ever faced him. For everyone refering to the "High Ground": Anakin wasn't thinking clearly since he was blinded by the dark side and emotionally affected by the "treason" of his wife and he even thougt Obi Wan only came to kill him. In the fight against Grievous nothing of this will be a thing. Mace Windu beeing unable to overwhelm Grievous with Vapaad is no thing here either. Grievous is not force sensitive, therefor no force he could turn back on his opponent. Which means Vapaad became Juyo when Windu faced him. Windu couldn't use his full power because of this fact. Anakins fighting style hasn't this unique limitation.
@raphaelhanna8345
@raphaelhanna8345 3 жыл бұрын
you do realise he's not using tcw so those times obi wan fought grievous never actually happened in legends obi wan only ever fought grievous in revenge of the sith
@danmarusan2878
@danmarusan2878 3 жыл бұрын
@@raphaelhanna8345, I mentioned TCW not a single time in my comment and I don`t have to. 1. On the Invisible Hand Obi Wan said that Grievous will not get away this time, which means both of them must have meet each other at least one time and since the clone wars are a war and not a picknick they certainly fought each other. 2. Even if you go with legends only and disregarding TCW, Anakin fought Ventress at least once( his scar proves that), which means he`s familiar with Jar`Kai. 3 Obi Wan telling Anakin about Grievous`s fighting style is called common sense, because it could have been possible that he or Anakin would encounter Grievous again and must therefor be prepaired or at least familiar with him. And storys about Grievous must have been spread in the Jedi Order because of the battle of Hypori (Clone Wars 2003). All of this means that if the council agreed that Anakin should be the one who destroys Grievous Ki, Adi Mundi and every other council member would have told Anakin about the cyborgs capeabilities, tactics and fighting style. 4. Grievous is not force sensitive and since Anakin is certainly the one who is searching the fight he`s prepaired for battle and that means no intimidation, no scare tactics and no supprises. All Greivous can bring to this fight are unarmed combat and four lightsabers. That`s it. 5. Even someone as hotheaded as Anakin is not that stupid to put his hands into a lightsaber chainsaw/meatgrinder. This is not the Mustafar duel were he`s a cocky dark side lunatic who had to cope with every he did, the "treason" of his wife and the bloodlust that fuled him. He would remember everything the council and Obi Wan told him about his enemy and since he agreed when Obi Wan told him that this time they will fight together when facing Dooku on board the Invisible Hand, Anakin made pretty clear that he learned his lesson. 6. if pushed far enough Anakin`s force powers are truly terrifying: in the novel "Labyrinth of Evil" he detroyed a fcking tower with force scream. When he was crippeld and placed in his armor Anakin/Vader lashed out with the force and ripped the entire room and almost everything within appart. High Ground and Mace Windu and Vapaad not able to overcome Grievous are no thing here and were adressed before.
@francescocascetta26
@francescocascetta26 2 жыл бұрын
​@@danmarusan2878 I agree , The channel it is new for me , as others , but they always dished out a more equal way to illustrate and discuss ove an hypothetical duel with verdict , being very aware of the details , and using is own sources , but I did not always agreed with the verdict, and this time by far , It felt to me that while general Grievous was analyzed properly , It reduced General Skywalker to a mere brawler or a " Leroy Jerkins " or whatever , for which It would have never been acclaimed or respected by master Kenobi , second I get it the dislike for the 2008 CW but Anakin was not even in the EU a psychotic , hard head ,mentally unstable individual with only dark side and arrogant child tendencies , he was not a member of the covenant , It was partially that but more to it , kind , tactical and respectful when occurred, It will adapt and not be threatened or destabilize by the general in the slightest , as mentioned by you before Grievous at that point in time would have brought as only advantage to the table a spare sets of lightsabers , thats it. My personal grudge with Gen. Grievous has always being the regarding his nonsensical threat posing to force wilder combatants , considering they were at mid high level knights in EU pretty much demigods , how it could be in a normal setting be a serious opponents, but that is on me personal , I guess in psychological warfare and assault it had an advantage , but only if unfamiliar with him , something Anakin was not . I will still not indulge to talk about the usage of the Force , because it would be abuse , ad frankly I written enough to prove my adhesion to your opinion, respect.
@7632ios
@7632ios 2 жыл бұрын
This is lightside Anakin though who was an 8. Dark side anakin is a 9. He needs his rage to be on that level.
@7632ios
@7632ios 2 жыл бұрын
Vapaad is a lightsaber form which can theoretically learned by anyone. Mace never used the superconducting loop you are talking about before his duel with palpatine.
@pyromania1018
@pyromania1018 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see this return.
@JaesWasTaken
@JaesWasTaken 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I didn't even get notifications for this :( Glad to see it re-visited though!
@joshuakei8925
@joshuakei8925 3 жыл бұрын
Could one of the fanalysis council do an analysis of TCW grievous? If nothing else, to determine his threat level, what he is capable of beating, and just how poorly he compares to his legends counterpart
@unendingvoid
@unendingvoid 3 жыл бұрын
Grievous in TCW is an SOD Maul and TCW Anakin tier character, above the likes of TCW Obi-Wan, Adi Gallia and Eeth Koth as he has defeated or at the very least outfought all of them for most of the show. By consistent feats, Grievous performs better against Obi-Wan than any of the other sub-villains in TCW except for Dooku. He has consistently outfought Kenobi (even though he ends up running away by way of deliberately leaving himself open to a force attack) in comparison to Ventress, Savage Opress and Maul, who have had very split showings against Obi-Wan. Grievous is above Ventress even though he lost to her on Dathomir, only because Dathomir is a dark side nexus that amps the abilities of all Nightsisters on the planet. This caused Ventress to perform significantly better than usual. Overall, Grievous in TCW is a Jedi Council level threat who can sustain an even fight with pre-ROTS Anakin in the later stages of TCW and Maul in his prime during the SOD comic series. He is above characters like Obi-Wan before ROTS and significantly beneath Dooku, Windu, Yoda and Sidious. Much weaker than in Legends but still a threat when he isn't being cocky.
@HaoPieldeoso
@HaoPieldeoso Жыл бұрын
I thought that when Palpatine suggested Anakin to go fight Grievous in RoTS (which the council denied and sent Obi-Wan instead) it was because at the time Palpatine believed Anakin to be powerful enough to take down Grievous. It is interesting that Dooku can take down Kenobi and Grievous but not Anakin, Kenobi can take down Grievous and Anakin but not Dooku, and Grievous can take down Anakin, but not Dooku or Obi-Wan.
@silcoxjakob
@silcoxjakob Жыл бұрын
Dooku beat anakin multiple times tbf
@adamtremblay9126
@adamtremblay9126 Жыл бұрын
Anakin only won against Dooku cuz Obi-wan helped him fatigue the Count, Obi-wan being disabled made him use his rage to boost himself, and encouragement from Palpatine. If a single one of these was missing, he likely would have lost.
@HaoPieldeoso
@HaoPieldeoso Жыл бұрын
@@adamtremblay9126 yeah that’s true too. Dooku wasn’t at his peak either.
@jackalsmalls4995
@jackalsmalls4995 10 ай бұрын
No I disagree, Sidious did think he was strong enough but He did not realize that Anakin relied too much on "Jedi Methods" and His saber methods are PERFECTLY countered by Grievouses's style. Aka being too lightsaber oriented as opposed to using TK more freely, He was right about the power but what good is it if your bad habits stop you from using it. Sidious wouldve sent anakin to his death.
@adamtremblay9126
@adamtremblay9126 10 ай бұрын
@@jackalsmalls4995 Idk who u r replying too, but yeah if Anakin was sent to Utapau to fight Grevious without any preparation, he likely would have lost. However, I just realized something. If in that conversation that he had with Obi-wan before Kenobi went to fight Grevious, in a scenario where the knew Anakin was going to fight Grevious, and they discussed the fight, Anakin might taken a different approach. Also remember, Obi-wan also had a conversation with Windu before the fight, where Windu encouraged Kenobi. If Anakin had that convo with Windu, Windu may have realized Anakin would lose in a pure lightsaber duel, so may have encouraged Anakin to use the force more. So tho Anakin would lose on neutral ground, these conversations would help Anakin keep a cool head and fight smart, exactly what needs to be done to beat Grevious, so if the movie played out and Anakin was sent to kill Grevious with Kenobi and Windu's encouragement, he would have a much better chance of winning the fight, maybe even have the better chance of winning.
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 3 жыл бұрын
Um when has Anakin ever been driven to exaughstion? You know the guy with more reserves then literally every Jedi ever? Also Mace is not stronger nor faster than Anakin and is arguably more skilled. Anakin has also proven to handle anyone on Grievous skill level and beyond. Highly disagree with that. Also Anakin has used strategies just as much as Obi-Wan Edit:Anyone want to debate me on that?
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 3 жыл бұрын
32:54 I respectfully disagree with this Statement to a degree. The implementation of ataru and shien to overcome the lack of mobility in my opinion was Anakin’s greatest strength and part of why he’s one of my favorite fighters in the franchise.(specifically in Revenge of the Sith and the first duel with Ventress.) The failure in Anakins style was his tactical mind and emotional weaknesses. Yes it’s harder to keep a defensive posture jumping around, but the defensive techniques and counters of both variations of form V more than make up for it. Dooku and Kenobi didn’t find a weakness in Anakin’s style until they psychologically engaged him and caused him to over extend. Personally I view his hybrid variant of Djem so with Shien and Ataru as brilliant and more energy efficient than other duelist.( not by a large degree, but his more grounded but still athletic style allowed him to conserve more energy than constantly twirling around like yoda. ) I don’t think his technique was perfect by any stretch, I just think his style was well put together and it’s only major weakness was it’s wielder.
@mandaloretheultimate4762
@mandaloretheultimate4762 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this, Grievous would’ve been defeated just as fast if not faster than he was against Obi-Wan. Anakin made mince meat of Dooku, the greatest duelist in the Order until Anakin took that title. To be the man, you have to beat the man. No one in the Jedi Council could defeat Dooku except Yoda who tied against him. Anakin beat Dooku and took the title of best duelist in the Galaxy. Considering Grievous could never hope to defeat Dooku, Anakin would be an even further stretch. It’s just that simple. I also agree with your point on his emotions, we’ve only seen Anakin/Vader in ROTS onward(his prime) be defeated when he’s fighting friends and not foes(e.g. Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Luke).
@darby3935
@darby3935 4 ай бұрын
​@@mandaloretheultimate4762even though this is old something you should really think about as to why grievous would never defeat dooku is because he trained him and knows everything he does in a way but if they did go all out with grievous's chip he'd probably learn all his moves fast enough to counter them with 4 arms realistically you'd slash from the sides while you use your top 2 to counter his blade and protect yourself i never understood why he didn't just hack at their sides durring binds and other moments which would be lethal
@Jedi_Spartan_38
@Jedi_Spartan_38 3 жыл бұрын
Last year, I started to get more involved with the Legends Clone Wars content after years of loving the 2003 micro series and read through the Dark Lord Trilogy and got all three Omnibuses for Christmas and my Birthday. Anyone got suggestions for what to read next for Clone Wars content?
@williamhenning4700
@williamhenning4700 3 жыл бұрын
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous is a great Clone Wars era novel.
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
Any number from the Dark Horse Republic comics, or stand alone comics like "Star Wars : Yoda" , "Dooku" , "Mace Windu"
@Jedi_Spartan_38
@Jedi_Spartan_38 3 жыл бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 already read them and loved most.
@ariesstorm9577
@ariesstorm9577 3 жыл бұрын
There are these clone wars books you can get that are done in the same artistic style as the 2003 micro series, with some stories even linking in to the show itself. If you have the means to play it there is also the clone wars video game that takes place shortly after episode 2 but before the events of the micro series. I mean it’s obviously outdated now in terms of graphics but I remember enjoying it back in the day.
@wristofkings
@wristofkings 3 жыл бұрын
The Darth Plagueis novel and Darth Bane Trilogy are must-reads.
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
Now, one can hope for Ventress vs Sedriss to be reuploaded too...
@peterparker1683
@peterparker1683 3 жыл бұрын
This may be an upload but never stop making these videos! Always enjoy your content
@jamesdouglas6776
@jamesdouglas6776 5 ай бұрын
Bring these back!!
@Alarcj7
@Alarcj7 3 жыл бұрын
The time has finally come.
@theopportuneson699
@theopportuneson699 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome match up. I have been a long time fan of yours, and I truly appreciate the depth and intelligence with which you analyze the characters. Me personally, I would give the victory to Anakin Skywalker. Thought to preface I would say I am a 2000s kid who grew up on TCW, and always viewed and enjoyed the Star Wars universe as a visual medium centered around George Lucas’ saga, Dave Filoni’s now multiple TV series, the Knights of the Old Republic video game duology (which I now have *both* of on my iPhone at long last), and the Tales of the Jedi comics. Due to that, when I considered this match on my own, I centered my analysis on Nick Gillard’s rankings of the characters. Nick Gillard who attributed ROTS Anakin Skywalker to being a Tier 9 duelist (so I am one of those fans who consider him *superior* to Mace Windu, a borderline 9 according to Gillard). Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Gillard ranking gets an 8, though I personally take this as a *cumulative* ranking of his speedy yet straightforward offense - which I estimate to be in Kit Fisto’s league (Tier 7) - and his fully optimized defense - which I estimate to be a *Tier 9.* When comparing Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan, I consider Anakin’s offensive capabilities to be enormously superior to Obi-Wan’s offensive. I consider Anakin’s defensive capabilities to be inferior, but *comparable* to Obi-Wan’s defensive (in ROTS, both Anakin and Obi-Wan parried Darth Tyranus’ strikes with negligible difficulty). And I consider Anakin’s *offensive* capabilities to be on par in speed and slightly superior in strength to Obi-Wan’s *defensive* capabilities. So I *do* see Anakin as having the speed and strength to overwhelm General Grievous, presuming the cyborg general would take out all four lightsabers to start. Darth Vader on Mustafar gave Obi-Wan a markedly greater challenge than General Grievous did, backing up the idea that the Chosen One *is* faster. Very true that the last thing Anakin thinks to do is thrust his hand out to unleash his power. In fact, I even go a step further in my personal analysis of him and say that although his physical augmentation and precognitive abilities are clearly superior to Obi-Wan’s, his negligence of all other departments - starting with telekinesis - has left his TK on par with Obi-Wan’s and substantially below Darth Tyranus’ (despite being markedly superior to both in power). But the way I see it, Anakin really doesn’t need telekinesis. Anakin whips up offensive strikes as fast as Obi-Wan maneuvers defensive parries. I see Anakin overwhelming Grievous in a thirty/forty second long fight - a good length between martial masters - and slashing *Grievous* to ribbons. All that said, *awesome* analysis on your part. I always enjoy and leave a like, even if I come to a different conclusion.
@binturongjustice
@binturongjustice 3 жыл бұрын
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
@JohnJones-zk4ri
@JohnJones-zk4ri 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for using legends sources i hate the new canon (Its been around for nearly 8 years now but ya know)its either really bad or really boring so yea great vid cant wait for the next one!
@thewhitesword1336
@thewhitesword1336 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin taking on the bio-droid general? "Brave of you boy, but I would've thought you had learned your lesson."
@azmiraclegirl441
@azmiraclegirl441 2 жыл бұрын
Im glad youre still uploading quality content and not just click bait Edit: did Anakin use the Force to literally force Padme to fall in love with him? It just so happens that his obsession likes him back? Nope.
@Knowthyledge
@Knowthyledge 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely surprised but a welcome one!
@Nephalem2002
@Nephalem2002 Жыл бұрын
While I can’t exactly defend his TCW portrayal, I think we know why Grevious was in the state he was in Revenge of the Sith; Mace Windu. His chest being crushed inhibited his lungs which would naturally slow him down.
@gerardocovarrubias1127
@gerardocovarrubias1127 3 жыл бұрын
Oh so do you think you can make more Star Wars versus series
@justyouraveragejoe9454
@justyouraveragejoe9454 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see this video come back, Jen. It is one of your best. I don't know if you're aware, but the Versus Creator Dimond360_ created a second Star Wars Questionnaire for Versus creators. I answered the call on my own channel not too long ago, and I thought maybe you'd like to do the same. :)
@dimond360_
@dimond360_ 3 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the shoutout
@justyouraveragejoe9454
@justyouraveragejoe9454 3 жыл бұрын
Any time
@Tre_Ason_Number7
@Tre_Ason_Number7 3 жыл бұрын
Going to start a versus channel. You are my inspiration and I thank you. Watch out for me
@jacobperschbacher3928
@jacobperschbacher3928 3 жыл бұрын
We miss y'alls work
@joshdavison6888
@joshdavison6888 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if this would be more of your or Evan's style of match @Jensaari One, but I would love to see an Obi-Wan versus FOTJ Leia analysis someday.
@JabezFuutonSpecialis
@JabezFuutonSpecialis 3 жыл бұрын
Will you be doing this for the asajj ventress versus Sadriss video?
@tannerlowrie8084
@tannerlowrie8084 3 жыл бұрын
That was a collab, right? Might be a little harder to do that.
@JabezFuutonSpecialis
@JabezFuutonSpecialis 3 жыл бұрын
@@tannerlowrie8084 No it wasn't, he did that solo
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, that needs to come back too.
@calebellis9556
@calebellis9556 Жыл бұрын
Grievous will lose an arm or two but will win after a long fought battle
@ariesstorm9577
@ariesstorm9577 3 жыл бұрын
Gnost-Dural vs Darth Bane I am in the process of listing Jedi based on their classes and specific roles within the Jedi Order (according to wookieepedia) and according to the site Gnost-Dural is a user of Soresu, Djem So and Juyo, the same styles favoured by Darth Bane. And like Gnost-Dural, Bane has shown an immense interest in history (although Bane’s intersect appears to be specifically Sith related whereas Gnost-Dural’s interests cover a broader spectrum). How would Darth Bane fair against basically a Jedi version of himself?
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 2 жыл бұрын
How about Gnost-Dural vs Atris. Battle of the Archivists
@fictionrumble
@fictionrumble 3 жыл бұрын
my favorite is back!
@raphaelhanna8345
@raphaelhanna8345 3 жыл бұрын
just asking could you try to elaborate on the issue of anakin being sidelined in favour of ahsoka tano
@dimond360_
@dimond360_ 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jensaarai1. Do you know what happened to Exar Kun Vs Darth Bane?
@tannerlowrie8084
@tannerlowrie8084 3 жыл бұрын
@Wes Bradley-Taubner He never made it.
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure that match was ever made ?
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
That seems like a lopsided versus, Bane is way too powerful for Exar Kun
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
@Emperor Vowrawn Bane was vastly more powerful in the force than Kun, Kun uses an inferior lightsaber style that relies too heavily on surprise and trickery, something Bane is well equipped to handle. Bane has physical superiority with his huge stature, he has superiority in his command of the force, and his Djem So style is extremely refined, considering he was capable of defeating a Jedi battle master and a veteran of the New Sith Wars simultaneously. And as for that comment about Revans rituals, I don't even see how that's important to the discussion
@dimond360_
@dimond360_ 3 жыл бұрын
Ya the matchup was planned as a collaboration between Jen and GreyJedi but it never came out
@drachna
@drachna 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering where this one had went. These copyright strikes sure look annoying from the outside.
@LordGreedtheEmperor
@LordGreedtheEmperor 3 жыл бұрын
I really like you versus videos. Please consider making the following videos. Darth Maul vs Darth Vindican. Exar Kun vs Satele Shan. Darth Reavan vs Exar Kun. I feel that all of these are solid match ups.
@thepriorstone4064
@thepriorstone4064 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine how frustrated Vader must have been every time he lost that arm
@benjaminjones2185
@benjaminjones2185 3 жыл бұрын
You've probably been asked this before but at the risk of repeating. What is your preferred form of lightsaber combat, and is the armor in the picture you use the style of armor that you would want or would you choose another animal to base your armor on?
@Eficiente_VSB
@Eficiente_VSB 3 жыл бұрын
Good video like it was before. I'll disagree with some extremely minor things; I don't think Grievous is weak to getting Force crushed when compared to other Force abilities, but rather that Mace to just too powerful/fast to the point where he could do that when other Jedi couldn't, if a Force crush was that much more powerful than pushes and the like everyone should be doing that to each other to one-shot them. Obi-Wan hardly opening Grievous' chest is more akin to destroying the lock of a door to open it as it's design to do whereas what Mace did is akin to smashing through the door. So, durability wise I believe Grievous is slightly underestimated. When Mace fought Sidious Anakin only saw them as blurs and had to perceive them in the Force, Mace probably got amped by Vaapad in that fight but the speed was his own, as he jumped back to Vaapad while not using it at one point in it. Grievous was also just about to overwhelm Obi-Wan before he cut one of this arms, but granted, he was still fighting against a style he can be said to be weak against. In other parts of the novel Grievous was just too fast for ObI-Wan and the Force had to literally do the thinking for him. When compared to other speed feats Grievous has I believe it should make him as much of a blur in Anakin's perception, and that Anakin would only be able to keep up with him for as long as he can let the Force do the thinking for him, which should make pretty hard using conscious actions like using Force crush or other abilities. I feel like this huge speed gap should be as much of a problem, if not worst, in this and other match-ups with Grievous.
@nathanmontgomery1516
@nathanmontgomery1516 3 жыл бұрын
Yet grevious gets blitz by dooku see. In anakin vs dooku anakin was a blur why would grevious react to anakin when dooku couldn’t?
@Eficiente_VSB
@Eficiente_VSB 3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanmontgomery1516 That was in training, it's reasonable to believe they weren't going all out.
@ancientking224
@ancientking224 4 ай бұрын
When I first saw this video I initially disagreed with you, considering Palpatine's confidence in Anakin's abilities and just how willing he was to send Anakin to Utapau I had assumed Anakin would win in a decently prolonged fight. Rewatching it now with a better understanding of Anakin's character and abilities I think I agree with you. Anakin isn't lacking in power, skill, drive, or experience to win but rather his mindset would limit his options to accomplish such a victory.
@raphaelhanna8345
@raphaelhanna8345 2 жыл бұрын
wasn't anakin skywalkers lightsaber hilt designed specifically to improve the use of form 5 i understand if thats not going to change much of the fight but i still think it could be worth mentioning
@darylsdesigns6679
@darylsdesigns6679 3 жыл бұрын
Where would you tier Darth Caedus as a martial artist and Force wielder?
@boxingdegenerate9077
@boxingdegenerate9077 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion. Tier 1 as a force user. Tier 2 as a martial artist.
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I usually ignore comments in the forums and just read through the feats unbiased
@dimond360_
@dimond360_ 3 жыл бұрын
I personally place Caedus as a solid tier 1. His mastery of the force goes beyond classic Jedi and Sith teachings. His dueling skills allow him to complete against other tier 1 duelists like Luke, Jaina and Kyle and give them great duels and sometimes win. And his tolerance for pain is downright superhuman. I don’t see him as better than Sidious or even Valkorion in power but I would consider him amongst the great masters of the force
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Or "Canon" Vader, he's overrated to hell anywhere
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 3 жыл бұрын
@Wes Bradley-Taubner "Canon" Vader looks "more powerful" simply because they completely skipped over the process of rebuilding his style and coping with his prostethics, they changed how the Force works to fit with their narratives, and because they gave him pretty crappy opponents, when compared to the EU. In fact, EVERYTHING else has been nerfed on purpose.
@DTheCritical
@DTheCritical 3 ай бұрын
Jensaarai One: "Anakin vs General Grievous should have been a thing" Also Jensaarai One: *Explains how the outcome would kill Anakin if it happened* Jensaari One: I would why it couldn't! Disclaimer this is all just in good fun the fact J01's reasoning's were so well thought out to the point it made GL's writing LOOK EVEN BETTER/more rich is a testament to his creative abilities
@heltongomez8865
@heltongomez8865 3 жыл бұрын
You basically described how I feel about the 2008 Clone Wars. It’s just... a softer style that doesn’t really suit Star Wars. It has its own fare share of good stuff but in the expression of it, it doesn’t feel like Star Wars. To me there’s a real Star Wars which is the one you are talking about. Legends and pre 2008 Clone Wars. In essence I feel the True Clone Wars was that mysterious and raw essence... THAT is Star Wars.
@chadmaple2411
@chadmaple2411 3 жыл бұрын
I was literally thinking yesterday why does nobody use halo music in Star Wars videos and then I watch your video
@KingOfAllDragoons
@KingOfAllDragoons Жыл бұрын
Movies and books before Filoni’s crappy clone wars are the only canon Anakin to me.
@raphaelhanna8345
@raphaelhanna8345 3 жыл бұрын
can you please do kyle katarn vs mace windu
@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets
@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets Жыл бұрын
You just know Anakin would've _loved_ having a basilisk war droid.
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 2 жыл бұрын
3:00 I believe he changed his name to Grevious because he was tired of people asking how to spell his birth name. When asked why? He didn’t give a Huck!!!
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
Just thought of a VS matchup, Mara Jade vs Starkiller. Basically the Emperor's hand vs Vader's hand
@unendingvoid
@unendingvoid 3 жыл бұрын
Starkiller should easily win because of his performance against Vader.
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
@@unendingvoid Vader has certain weaknesses that make him vulnerable to starkiller. And saying one character would win simply due to their performance against another character is a bit reductive
@Wright805
@Wright805 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nikp117 Correct. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
@unendingvoid
@unendingvoid 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nikp117 Yeah uhm no. Not really. Vader in Legends is actually even less susceptible to lightning than normal humans. You know that barrage of force lightning the Starkiller clone hit him with in TFU 2? That would've killed any Jedi or Sith at Vader's level if they took it head on. He was still able to keep himself up and speaking because he installed insulators in his armor.m
@Nikp117
@Nikp117 3 жыл бұрын
@@unendingvoid Dude Vader was almost entirely incapacitated after being hit by that lightning, what are you even talking about. And just because he's capable of surviving it, doesn't mean he can effectively mount a countermeasure after, that's the point. The lightning shut down his suit, AND nearly killed him. I'm not sure if you remember, but he was entirely at starkillers mercy after that.
@loganberlew3191
@loganberlew3191 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on Darth Sidious vs Darth Kryat
@DTheCritical
@DTheCritical Ай бұрын
I wonder if Jensaari can read Aurebesh I can and it makes Star wars feel more immersured
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 3 жыл бұрын
Rahm Kota vs Darth Azard. Lord Vindican vs Antares Draco. Sylvar vs Galen Marek. Arcann vs Starkiller(clone). Aryn Leneer vs Jaina solo. Bultar Swan vs A’Sharad Hett.
@DTheCritical
@DTheCritical 3 ай бұрын
Heres a weird thought I wonder what jensaarai one and the rest of the council force cast think of the Aurebesh writing as well as the galactic basic language itself. As a kid I never noticed it was letter more than just decorative and actually the vast majority of the time it reads stuff that can (rather easily) be translated directly into English like the fact George Lucas insisted that attention to details in literally EVERY MAJOR viewable form of SW that was not a parody (TCW doesn't count sadly though they are included in using Aurebesh consistently the only thing I can credit them for other than Asohka)
@DarthZevrel66
@DarthZevrel66 3 жыл бұрын
RIP Gour and Anakin’s arm 7 times.
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 3 жыл бұрын
First? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
@kevinshupenia276
@kevinshupenia276 3 жыл бұрын
meh, I got to watch it first.
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 3 жыл бұрын
Meh. I'd seen it before, it was good then, it's good now. I was just surprised I made it to first comment.
@timothyvanhoeck233
@timothyvanhoeck233 2 ай бұрын
"Anakin and Obi-Wan were contacted by the Galactic Republic, who delivered grievous news..." Lol, was that supposed to be a pun???😂
@Jensaarai1
@Jensaarai1 2 ай бұрын
What!? There's no way my obvious pun was deliberate! Lies and slander! 😜
@santiagodavila1554
@santiagodavila1554 3 жыл бұрын
Man watching your videos is always such a blast! especially when i want to learn about a good character analisis and especially your videos about the lightsaber forms, those are my favorite. Regarding TCW... i agree/disagree with certain characters: Griveous story and character traits were BUTCHERED in TCW, i miss his legends personification in which his views of the Jedi were biased because of the opression and massacre of his people (even if he was always brutal, that showed that he had an "altruistic" sense in the beginning before he was mutilated and reconstructed) and TCW made him a very cartoonish villain... just because xD
@santiagodavila1554
@santiagodavila1554 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding Anakin... I think TCW made a great development in the sense that it showed that Anakin, despite his flaws, was always a guy that loved his friends and family very much (so much that you could say that, in a twisted way, was very VERY SELFISH and that's how good ol' Sidious used to his advantage) while 2003... kinda showed that but was more focused in the more negative aspects (which... made perfect sense at the time) so i think TCW did not changed it but ELABORATED on what 2003 CW laid in the surface :D (except with the mortis arc... that arc was a bit trashy XD) still, i love both versions to death and i paired them with their respect "universe" (2003 CW in the good ol' legends and TCW in the new "canon") what about you guys?
@thecoronavirus1819
@thecoronavirus1819 3 жыл бұрын
Just ignore tcw backstory of Grievous
@ThatDragonGuy
@ThatDragonGuy 3 жыл бұрын
A Squad of Stormtroopers vs a squad of B2 Battle Droids.
@raicattivo
@raicattivo 3 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers are tricky because they are either complete buffoons or equal to the clonetroopers. Id say B2 battle droids simply for how much hell they gave the standard clone troopers
@JRGProjects
@JRGProjects 3 жыл бұрын
Against B2s the Stormstroopers take it. Against Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and the gang....they might as well go home.
@loyalcompanion2104
@loyalcompanion2104 3 жыл бұрын
If we are talking the same B2s from Republic Commando, then they absolutely shred. Dark Troopers are more of a match.
@MegaGamer-lg7sp
@MegaGamer-lg7sp 3 жыл бұрын
How about we see what would've been interesting to watch during the Clone Wars finale, but for continuity, could never happen: Anakin Skywalker in his prime vs Darth Maul (as depicted in season 7, which is when Dave Filoni had claimed Maul had returned to his prime since TPM.)
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Жыл бұрын
I figure Evannova or GreyJedi91 would be better for that. I don’t think Jenssari has a high opinion on TCW maul overall either. I don’t think he’ll be happy to watch season 7 TCW at all actually..
@JRGProjects
@JRGProjects 3 жыл бұрын
"If he wasn't a main character he'd be a red shirt" Amen. Anakin had to be around because the audience gets an upgrade in Darth Vader. Calculating, Agreessive, a genius and funny as hell. Vader is everything Anakin is not. Hence Vader has the fan base. By the way I want to see your take on a Vader vs Grievous match up. Personally Vader will do what Anakin can't. Vader is just too damn smart, cunning and could pull the General like a moth to a flame.
@InSanic13
@InSanic13 3 жыл бұрын
"By the way I want to see your take on a Vader vs Grievous match up." I think Vader would just Force Crush him and be done with it.
@unendingvoid
@unendingvoid 3 жыл бұрын
@@InSanic13 I don't think Vader could beat Grievous in a pure saber fight but he will win because he is much more intelligent, cunning and experienced and will know to abuse the force when necessary.
@nathanmontgomery1516
@nathanmontgomery1516 3 жыл бұрын
@@unendingvoid very difficult, because dooku and other grandmasters have beaten him in pure dueling also in a comic he killed a person who had grevious cybernetics and skill level so even In dueling I have to give it to Vader
@unendingvoid
@unendingvoid 3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanmontgomery1516 Dooku beats Grievous because he has extensive knowledge on how he fights and his tendencies by virtue of being his mentor. The only other Jedi who has defeated Grievous in dueling is Obi-Wan due to a stylistic advantage, and even he had to enter a state of oneness to pull it off and was nearly killed due to his defenses being overloaded. Even Mace Windu, second only to Yoda, was stalemated by a hindered Grievous in the Labyrinth of Evil novel. Vader only fights that Commander Karbin with similar cybernetics to Grievous in Canon. Furthermore, he also doesn't have any of Grievous's experience and is definitely nowhere near as tactical or cunning.
@cloutnojutsu
@cloutnojutsu 3 жыл бұрын
@@unendingvoid idk how high you Star Wars people get when you comment things like anakin or his Darth Vader counterpart having issues with grievous. I dont think you understand how weak most jedi are that aren’t council members. Put grievous up against council members and he will have problems. I didnt say he couldn’t win but i said problems. Darth Vader is the best duelist in canon. And nearly was in legends. Grievous is not touching Vader at all.
@computercarnage113
@computercarnage113 3 жыл бұрын
Exar Kun vs Count Dooku would be interesting to see
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 3 жыл бұрын
Quinlan Vos vs Lucien Draay. ( Draay is a better offensive duelist and more powerful force user, but Vos is more well rounded with a diverse skill set and powers Draay doesn’t have an answer for. They are equals in hand to hand and force integration and Vos is a more strategic fighter. Plus the vapeed style gives Vos a way to counter Draay’s agression and dark channeling.) Ven Zallow vs Darth Azard. Antares Draco vs cao cen darach. Sora Bulq vs Arryn Leneer. Wolf Sazen vs Darth Maul. Jango Fett vs Das Jenner. Anya Kuro vs Arryn Leneer vs Kit Fisto.
@domvasta
@domvasta 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt Anakin wouldn't lash out with telekinesis before getting overwhelmed, he's prescient enough to foresee that happening and Grievous is arrogant enough to gloat before stepping up his game to a level that Anakin can't handle, which would make Anakin mad enough to crush him into a ball.
@unendingvoid
@unendingvoid 3 жыл бұрын
TCW Grievous? Probably. The most formidable portrayals of EU Grievous? Never. He would cut him down.
@jkthedudeman
@jkthedudeman 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I liked your original reading of this script so much better! It had so much more heart! This time around you sound bored and unenthusiastic, like you're just reading from a script without putting any emotion into it. It is really too bad! Nonetheless, thanks for reuploading this matchup!
@SuperWindsage
@SuperWindsage 3 жыл бұрын
by your own admission Anakin wins this supposedly 2 out of three ways. when he is calm, or when he goes nuts. Grievious only wins if Anakin fucks up with his recklesness in such a way that he doesnt go avatar state on him.... which quite frankly I dont buy Grievious being able to. especially if this is an Anakin that has had prior engagements with Ventress and Dooku for experience.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 жыл бұрын
And how many of those fights did he maintain a cool head or go ham with force abilities?
@nathanmontgomery1516
@nathanmontgomery1516 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingorange7739 he was pretty cool headed for his fights with dooku and with ventress he can just out power her so with an opponent like grevious I feel like anakin would focus
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanmontgomery1516 um Anakin vs Ventress on Yavin, Anakin vs Ventress on Coruscant. Anakin vs Dooku in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin and Obi Wan’s sparring matches, Anakin vs Obi Wan on Mustafar, the list goes on
@MrSnakekaplan
@MrSnakekaplan 3 жыл бұрын
Vader vs Grievous is kind of a foregone conclusion although it would be a nice video to demonstrate that Vader was an upgrade to Anakin. Casual fans only get to see Vader as depicted by the technology of the original trilogies time.
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@MrSnakekaplan
@MrSnakekaplan 3 жыл бұрын
@@397llederson6 Despite Vader's injuries, he far surpassed Anakin. It may not seem so from provided examples but he also acted much more intelligently. The easy force crush victory is likely. Grievous struck fear into the heart of his enemies but unlike Dooku, he was no expert in Dun Moch. Combine this with his lack of connection with Vader and he has very little chance of goading Vader into a prolonged fight. Particularly in the OT you see Vader treats his fights with purpose and caution. Vader's armor is also of such a grade that Grievous could not cut him down with a unexpected burst of speed.
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSnakekaplan 1. No he did not 2. Um no he isn't that much smarter 3. Um Anakin is not stupid he wouldn't do that unless he hated Grievous but he has little connection to Grievous 4. Anakin is cautious more than once he has shown this infact he prefered fighting Dooku as a team in ROTS and Mustafar is just the exception
@MrSnakekaplan
@MrSnakekaplan 3 жыл бұрын
@@397llederson6 Are you a troll, did read the comment? Anakin at various times does display a reckless nature... although I never declared Grievous the winner, the video did... Vader is absolutely smarter, more powerful and far far wiser. He learns from his defeats, Sidious and adapts to having the massive responsibilities that are placed on him as he essentially is the 2IC of the galaxy. Read some of the books before commenting.
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSnakekaplan 1. I did read his book I have a lot of them but George said Vader was not as strong as Anakin, in fact, Anakin was the peak of Vader's magnitude as stated by Lucas. He said more than once Vader lost a lot of power and potential and would never be as strong as Anakin. So you have to argue death of the author which Good luck with that. 2. Most of the time he did it was by a circumstance which the video neglects to mention and it also forgets to mention various times people Grievous fought were reckless too. 3. Smarter is a given as Vader had more knowledge, wiser is arguable as he doesn't display wisdom more like a psychotic mentality hell it would be liking saying the Joker is wise and more powerful is a no. 4.He did but that did not mean he surpassed Anakin, in fact, Lucas intended for Vader to be a shadow of what he was that was why they made the fights better in the prequels to see the peak of Jedi and sith. Overall if you want to argue Vader is superior to Anakin you have to argue against what George Lucas intended
@KG-2137
@KG-2137 3 жыл бұрын
Disarmed him in that fight, i see what you did there, nice pun
@jaylanmayhew589
@jaylanmayhew589 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered Jen how come no one uses Anakin Solo ??? he's a significantly underrated force user and Jedi compared to his brother and sister and pretty amazing feats. I could definitely see a tcw Darth maul vs anakin solo or him vs Darth talon.
@Jensaarai1
@Jensaarai1 3 жыл бұрын
I can't speak for the others, but in my case, it's because I'm not well versed in post-Ep6 EU material. My introduction to Star Wars was the Clone Wars multi-media project, and out of the New Republic era, I'm only properly familiar with Shadow of Mindor, Dark Empire, Jedi Outcast & Academy, Legacy of the Force, and Legacy. I've only read 3 of the NJO novels, and I'm a heretic who has never read the Thrawn trilogy.
@jaylanmayhew589
@jaylanmayhew589 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jensaarai1 I'm with you on the not reading thrawns books but honestly we always here how Jaden and Jaina were amazing force users and swordswomen (respectively) But due to his early death ( which I blame George the most ) never got close to the others in their early life especially the books stating Anakin was had the most potential out of the three siblings.
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 2 жыл бұрын
Lucien Draay would be a great match for Grevious: like Kit Fisto Draay’s strength against multiple opponents will let him endure Grevious multi saber style, but he’s much more aggressive. Lucien has Anakin’s physical strength and aggression , Kit ‘s skill for besting multiple opponents and fighting skill, and Mace Windu’s willingness to brutalize Grevious with the force. The real question of how long it would take to frustrate Draay into a curb stomp, because unlike starkiller Lucien is more willing to put right attack with the force than use the environment.
@FMonou
@FMonou 3 жыл бұрын
36:23 I'm surprised you give Kenobi that much credit.
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 3 жыл бұрын
Which is bullshit
@KG-2137
@KG-2137 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin not only lost his lightsaber too many times but his hand too xd
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin should be one of the few force users who could get the better of Grievous in Legends but not easily same applies for other slightly betters then Grievous like Dooku, Sidious, Yoda, Mace, And Obi Wan while everyone else should suffer his wrath yeah
@OfficialRaveBlitz
@OfficialRaveBlitz 3 жыл бұрын
Also, THANK YOU FOR STATING WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG ABOUT TCW AND ANAKIN IN TCW!
@zackthezabarak739
@zackthezabarak739 2 жыл бұрын
Roan Shryn vs Lucien Draay: an odd match up but I think it would be fun for your unconventional sensibilities. Lucien Draay is an agile powerhouse with a fighting style that either kills his enemy or leaves him wide open. Lucien is undeniably more skilled in all ranges of combat, but Roan managed to hold his own against Darth Vader so while inferior to Draay in raw skill or natural force power, he is a superior tactican and combatant with the force.
@DT25659
@DT25659 2 жыл бұрын
I like how you used Halo soundtrack in a Star Wars video
@condeaarondarkusexcubitor3155
@condeaarondarkusexcubitor3155 3 жыл бұрын
I liked everything, except with everything you said about Anakin Skywalker in TCW.
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